After hearing about the new house, the eager Gosselin kids get to see what their soon-to-be new home looks like before moving day, but will they share the same enthusiasm for the new house as Jon and Kate?
Marci, I couldn't agree more!! Love the avatar... I thought about changing mine but I like it too much :).
Jen K. said My first comment here in this thread was saying how I came here for a balanced view of things. My opinion on that has slightly changed because some people are ratcheting this up to levels which are unnecessary.
I think as another poster already mentioned that is due in part to your timing, Jen. Like it or not, there are many of us here (me included) who have been disrespected and lied about by those on other sites. It is unfortunate and wrong, but that is how things go. Because of that, when new posters come in and talk about how they want to be balanced we tend to instantly wonder if that is truly the case. I apologize if that response was unfair to you- it is honestly just a way to try and keep a conversation going without having personal attacks and hatred spewed (spewn? speweded? whatever the word would be :)!) all over.
Part of the problem is that the internet offers a lot of anonymity (we have some other posts regarding that on here now, too) so there is no way for us to really verify if you are the Jen K. on GWoP (unless you say that you are) etc. Without a google ID or OpenID its a crap shoot whether someone is who they say they are, or a doppelganger (which is a phenomenal word, by the way).
Okay, finally I'm done reading. Wow, so busy today. After I went through some of the GWOP and Yawn, jumped a leap I got to some great posting. I think Kate could have done a better job in telling the children about not being allowed in there bedroom but I lived with this rule and Parents Room Off Limits. I think every parent needs to have some form of Sanctuary in there own house where the children can't go. The house is big but I wouldn't call it a mansion. I think I would freak out if I found mold in my fridge too but instead I would have gotten someone else to clean it or better yet use the exploited children's money and buy a new one.. :) Sorry I had to say that!!!!
Actually Miranda go farther back and you will realize I only started talking at GWOP a week ago. And sadly I can't take credit for KONPOUND. I didn't come up with it. Or mansion for that matter.
Fine, but what I was saying that you have been commenting here and flooding the board and then going to GWOP and doing the same thing.
I was also saying that whilst everyone else was talking about the pool, Kate's hair and poop at GWOP..you were talking about the Konpound and the mansion and like and then coming over here and saying the same thing.
I don't care for Kate's personality at all. Blech, I do not care for them as a couple.
I like them as a couple, generally. I like Jon a lot better. Kate is too whiney/bossy. But after I read the book, I have a new found respect for her. Aspects of her personality that I don't care for served her very well in taking care of /advocating for her little preemies.
By the way, the term "KONPound" is offensive. This is a family of human beings, not dogs. Please stop using it, new people. It's a variation on mocking the children.
Jerseygirl, You wrote: Did you ever see the response from the woman who creates the tshirts the kids wear to one of their letters? It was seriously the funniest response ever and it had GWOP in a frenzy. Ive been meaning to order from her ever since. I will have to order some cute for Valentines Day.
Wasn't that hilarious? "I admire your rigidity." And the Gwopper actually shared it with everyone! Thanks for reminding me...
Saint said: By the way, the term "KONPound" is offensive. This is a family of human beings, not dogs. Please stop using it, new people. It's a variation on mocking the children.
I'm going to assume you were refering to me since I was the one who mentioned KONpound. I know that is a way of mocking the family and I wasn't using it because I refered to their home as such.
I was using it reference to another poster who has used it on GWOP (which uses this term freely).
By the way, the term "KONPound" is offensive. This is a family of human beings, not dogs. Please stop using it, new people. It's a variation on mocking the children.
I think it's derived from the word "compound" as in like an estate.
Because of that, when new posters come in and talk about how they want to be balanced we tend to instantly wonder if that is truly the case.
I can attest to this. I can't tell you how many disingenuous posts we've had to reject where the posters oh so innocently enquire as to why we're talking about other sites and gee, it would be nice if we could not do that.
To get on topic (since I haven't been since I started posting..whoops!) I think my favorite thing from last night's episode was Leah and Aaden fighting over the box.
I disagree with people who say they are losing their "cute". I think they are coming into their own personalities now and can voice them.
Saint, I too noticed the sweet moment with Mady and her sisters.
It's so interesting to me that people who will freeze frame scenes to try and prove something negative against Kate will never ever comment on any of the sweetness and affection we witness among the Gosselin children.
You know, Miranda, Alexis cracks me up, too. She has a smile that will brighten the whole room. She's so spunky, too!
I thought Collin was really cute, too, when he saw that Aaden was also using the bathroom and he yelled about someone else going to the bathroom. He had to run to his Mom to keep her updated on the situation. He just looked like a little "big" man, monitoring things and keeping his mother informed!
I can see why you think the letter writing might be helping getting sponsors to back out. Perhaps Juicy Juice is evidence of this happening in one instance, but I'm going to take the same reasoning you gave and infer that may not be what happened. There's no way to know for sure.
That's just a matter of opinion, so that's fine.
You've only used the term "exploitation" here, so I don't know if you have concerns about kids on reality tv that I don't think are as extreme as thinking the parents are happily using their children so they don't have to work. In other words, are you concerned about getting laws passed to regulate hours worked, money put aside for the children, etc.?
That is an idea which I think is fine, and any reasonable (snark-free) efforts to make that happen wouldn't make me blink an eye.
I just honestly don't see how people who have true concern about the Gosselin children can have that concern end there. Where is the concern for the Roloff kids, the Duggar kids or the girls on "Toddlers & Tiaras"?
I also don't see how aligning that concern with the "extreme posters" at GWOP is doing ANY child a bit of good. It's impossible to tell a "real" child advocate from someone using that title to excuse their verbal attacks on the Gosselins on that site.
If advocacy was my goal, I'd want my voice to not have to fight to stand out against the tide of sockpuppeting snark or above a bitter-housewife campaign to cancel a show.
Maybe you've come to that conclusion yourself....I can't really tell.
That is an idea which I think is fine, and any reasonable (snark-free) efforts to make that happen wouldn't make me blink an eye.
I just honestly don't see how people who have true concern about the Gosselin children can have that concern end there. Where is the concern for the Roloff kids, the Duggar kids or the girls on "Toddlers & Tiaras"?
I agree. I also just have to wonder about the sincerity of people who complain about exploitation but continue to watch the show. I strongly disapprove of child porn, snuff films and staged dog fights. You would not catch me watching any of these things for entertainment.
Thanks. :) I always get a kick out of seeing what everyone picks for their avatars on any given day.
And now, back to the show....
Miranda, Anya, scarfoot,
Alexis and Collin are outrageously funny. Of course, they're two of the more stubborn tups, but even when they're bad, they're good.
Leah and Aaden were great dragging the box to the front door.
I was actually kind of glad to see Kate just let the kids run around the new house. I'd have been imagining everything 4 year olds could get into in a house I wasn't familiar with yet to have done that when mine was that age.
Any bets on how long it will take the kids to try sliding down the banister?
I like this show, but do see that some of the epis are getting a bit "stale", that's the best word I can come up with.
I do enjoy aspects of their dynamics and don't enjoy aspects of it.
I do want to say that its nice to see a place where a person can come and truly express what they think about the show: good, bad and ugly.
I had to visit the "other" site to see what all the hubbub is.
I found myself LOL'ing so many times, it was so ridiculous. They call people who still enjoy the show "sheeple"? They seem to be the sheeple. There were something like 590 posts when I popped in and not one of them was original!!
They all said exactly the same thing, it was unreal and a bit scary to see such a lack of originality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the whole thing is a hoax or just a small group of people who want to see how far they can take this Gosselin hate charade.
Saying the Gosselins are exploiting their kids and continuing to watch and participate in a snark board about the show just wreaks of hypocracy to me.
Same with,
"I don't hate the parents, but I think the kids are cute, but I feel so bad that they're exploited, but I only watch to write down sponsors so I can write letters so they'll take the show I don't watch anymore off the air."
Marci said: Any bets on how long it will take the kids to try sliding down the banister?
And wouldn't that be fun to watch..as long as they are careful. And would the haters go crazy over that. I bet Alexis or Collin will be the first ones to go down it.
"Do I agree with everything over at GWOP? No...but I do appreciate their concern, however misguided and extreme SOME of the people are. I also think that SOME of the people at GWOP have it spot on."
I respect your right to feel however you wish about the exploitation issue but this is where you lose me. The GWOP owners have been incredibly irresponsible with what they allow to be posted about the children not to mention all the support of the "insiders." Child advocacy? Not so much. It sure seems that they care a lot less about the children than scoring points against Kate. I can't find anything morally defensible about that place.
On another note, I am apparently blog challenged about bolding quotes. Anyone? Thanks.
"Do I agree with everything over at GWOP? No...but I do appreciate their concern, however misguided and extreme SOME of the people are. I also think that SOME of the people at GWOP have it spot on."
I respect your right to feel however you wish about the exploitation issue but this is where you lose me. The GWOP owners have been incredibly irresponsible with what they allow to be posted about the children not to mention all the support of the "insiders." Child advocacy? Not so much. It sure seems that they care a lot less about the children than scoring points against Kate. I can't find anything morally defensible about that place.
On another note, I am apparently blog challenged about bolding quotes. Anyone? Thanks.
As I said I agree with *some* of the posters there, not so much the blog as a whole or the owners. I think it's impossible to agree or disagree with an entire site. :)
Not everyone there has the same opinion or level of zeal, just as not everyone here does either.
About bolding...you can just copy and paste what you want bolded, then in the comment box do the tags that they list under the box (where it says, "you can use some HTML tags such as...". Put the bracketed "b" before the quote and do a /b in brackets at the end. Hope that helps!
Saint said. I like them as a couple, generally. I like Jon a lot better. Kate is too whiney/bossy. But after I read the book, I have a new found respect for her. Aspects of her personality that I don't care for served her very well in taking care of /advocating for her little preemies.
It's unnecessary to rip J&K (and sometimes the kids) to shreds with their words. There's no allowance for personal differences and imo would like little J&K puppets to play with to make them do exactly what that they want. (Again, Guin, I really liked that proproganda post). Kate should be allowed be allowed to succeed and parent within the law. I think she tries her best to be a good mom and loves her kids to pieces. Being a mother is hard enough and on a certain level the crazy hatred against Kate attacks all women with the focus being on mothers. Ignorant hatred is a frightening thing.
I also noticed Mady holding her sisters in the bedroom. I also thought it was Mady who after the kicking Alexis was holding her hand out to her to help her up the steps when they back up to play. I'm having more trouble telling them all apart as they get older. I thought it would be the opposite. Cara and Mady have very different features, but some of the shots are so quick with the hair flying that I'm not always sure anymore, same with Lexus and Leah. I can usually spot Hannah because she's so tiny.
Looks like they filmed the kids all in one day on this one.
Based on your posts, I believe that you wrote an intelligent and insightful letter to Juicy Juice. I think that it is commendable that you take the time to write when you see an issue.
Having perused the GWOP site over the past few months, it is my opinion that you are one of few that is acting in an appropriate way. As a marketing manager with a leading food manufacturer I do continual analytical work on markets, brands, and individual products. While consumer input is VITAL, a concise and justified letter is what has the most merit.
Whether or not the Gosselins exploit their children is a matter of opinion. Therefore, it makes determining if letter writing campaigns are working difficult. There are more than two reasons a sponsorship may end. Extensive market research is done before a sponsor is selected and throughout the relationship. Also millions of people watch the show that are not even aware of these blogs; even if a hundred people from GWOP write, there could be another hundred that write something positive. Companies of this size are use to getting "hate mail" in regards to chosen sponsors, and it really does get filtered.
I think some of the regular posters at GWOP do speak out in the appropriate ways to attempt to put an end to the child exploitation that they believe is occurring. Yet the blog itself has become so hateful - it seems as if no member of the family is safe. So much energy goes into name calling, and the posts just become so redundant. Outlandish claims are made (oh no, Jon is in Utah without Kate, the marriage MUST be ending. An affair with a ski bunny is beginning). It also seems that the parents are damned if the do, damned if they don't with many of the posters on that site.
If a person really does believe the show is morally wrong, they should put the energy into finding balanced, legitimate information (which I just don't always feel is the case) and write letters to LEGISLATORS, the networks, and advertisers of the show. Yes I do know that a number of people do this, but more energy goes into belittling the family. They would also TURN THE TV OFF. I know I've read, "we watch so we can be informed" but honestly the best thing that can be done for their plight is to not watch the show. Watching the show allows you to see ONLY 22 minutes of their lives. It's a glimpse, and nothing more.
I also don't feel that if a main concern is the privacy of the children that they would display information on the family on the blog. Yes, it is public record, but I would think drawing less attention to the location of the home would be in the best interest of the children. Also, what if Mady or Cara were to Google their names? GWOP would come up. I can't imagine an 8 year old reading any posts or comments and thinking that those people value their best interests.
Complaining endlessly about Kate's haircut does nothing. It's almost as if GWOP has set itself back because everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm happy for the Gosselins. They are very blessed. I guess Jon and Kate are the best judges of what they "need", but I really wish they could change the phrasing to what they want. There other house was sufficient for the "needs" of a family their size. You see families in Gaza their size crammed into houses the size of the basement in their old house. I know I am guilty of confusing wants and needs, too. I just feel like it feeds the haters--although the haters have enough reasons stored up to feed off for years to come. I loved the house. Kate needs to spend some more time in Florida. Mold and big bugs become a way of life :}.
You have all been busy today, haven't you? I will get on my soapbox for a little bit, then get off :)
Even though I said I wasn't going to anymore, I hopped over to the other site for about 5 minutes. Holy c^%p, there are over 600 comments over there.
There were many nitpicks, but one that is bothering me is this.... "Blah, blah, blah, Hannah gets her own room now, She is the favorite, Jon and Kate said Alexis was going to get her own room, blah, blah, blah".
Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
I guess this one nitpick bothers me in particular because when I was growing up (I sound like my mother:)) my parents changed their minds all the time about things. Many times my sister got things that I didn't and vice versa. We moved when I was in the third grade. My mom promised we would never move again. Well, we did 3 more times. Did anyone speak up for us? No. There were a few times (and I still think this) that they were unfair and mean about things. Guess what. My parents didn't apologize and try to make up for it. My grandparents didn't step in. When you are a child, your parents are going to change their minds about things like bedrooms, rules, food, and there really is not that much a child can do about it. IMO, I turned out pretty well and the Gosselin kids will too.
I don't want this to be a pity party for me, but I'm just trying to point out it's their right as parents to have the sleeping arrangements the way they want, and change them as they need to. I'm sure, in the next 14 years, bedrooms will be changed many, many, times. Okay, stepping down.
[b]Its A Good Thing said... Never said the film crew did anything improper. Its the parents fault.[/b]
I'll admit upfront that I'm a "sheeple" and don't think J&K are exploiting or abusing their kids. I have a hard time understanding how people who believe the kids are being abused by-and-large ONLY blame Jon and Kate. Sure, they're the ones putting their kids on TV, but what about the whole production crew and company, TLC, and their mother company?
I've always doubted that any serious abuse is occurring, especially anything caught but not aired, because I have a hard time believing Figure 8 and TLC, which bank themselves on their family-friendly programming, would risk their reputation. Additionally, the people who spend the most time with the family or the film (Jen, the editors of the show) seem to have little problem with how the family conducts itself. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think all these people who've spent their careers making shows meant to advocate for kids and issue awareness (check out Figure 8's other programs) would stand idly by.
TRUTH: Jon and Kate ARE exploiting their children for their own personal gain. TRUTH: Exploitation is wrong. Its wrong to sell your childrens privacy so you can go to the spa and on numerous vacations. TRUTH: Jon and Kate Plus 8 NEEDS to be off the air.
No, actually, those statements are not TRUTH. They are OPINIONS, and opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one (as my father used to say). Check out the definition. Just because YOU have a particular opinion, doesn't make it true.
You seem to like the word, "truth," though (even though you use it selectively). Your name wouldn't happen to be Julie, would it?
In regards to asking one of the twins to wipe her brother's behind. Did you happen to watch any of the Duggar wedding shows this week? The eldest Duggar daughters (also known as buddies/babysitters/slaves/maids) left the compound to go to Florida to help plan their brother's wedding and make bridesmaid dresses (Wow. Nice vacation). What happened while they were gone? Jim-Boob and Michelle Duggar were forced to PARENT their own children without their four older daughter's help and THEY COULDN'T DO IT. The younger kids ran wild and the parents were frazzled. Their built in slaves were AWOL and they were up a creek without a paddle. I don't see Kate or Jon EVER doing this to their kids. Having an older kid wipe the younger kid's butt? Gross, but life is messy and sometimes you get stuck doing something you don't like.
Just wait until they have to do pooper scooper patrol for the puppies they'll get.
As far as "bedroomgate" goes. I don't see anything unusual about the "no kids in our bedroom" rule. We weren't allowed in my parents room, either. Big freaking deal.
Oh, and about "Bedroom gate haha" we weren't allowed in my parents room without premission and we were fine with it. And also, I was yelled at quite a bit when growing up and I still talk to my mom.
The Gosselin kids will be okay. More than okay.
I feel riled up tonight. I'm a social worker in the foster care system. I've seen abuse, worse than some people can imagine. The Gosselin kids are NOT being abused. I'm truly just so tired of this :(
ROTFLMAO! This is a response an "advocate" actually got after sending a complaint? And they SHOWED IT TO PEOPLE?
"We appreciate your concern, and admire your rigidity. Values are a very important, if not the most important aspect of our lives, and you seem to believe in yours very passionately. While an admirable trait- if a person thinks their values ought not only to run their lives, but everyone else's lives- this can cause a breech in integrity of those values. Not to say that we at Em Tanner Designs don't value certain things (like privacy, health, etc), but we believe that every person is capable of choosing their own values and making the best of them, while they have them. Thank you for your time, hope your holidays were enjoyable."
TRANSLATION: "Dear Nutjob,
Wow. You are nuttier than a fruitcake and need to step back from the computer and mingle with the three dimensional people.
While you are entitled to your opinion regarding the Gosselins, we feel that you have crossed the line from concerned fan to psycho, obsessed cyberstalker. Please find a hobby (which does not involve the use of sharp objects)....and a therapist.
I'm happy for the Gosselins. They are very blessed. I guess Jon and Kate are the best judges of what they "need", but I really wish they could change the phrasing to what they want. There other house was sufficient for the "needs" of a family their size. You see families in Gaza their size crammed into houses the size of the basement in their old house. I know I am guilty of confusing wants and needs, too.
I agree with this. Need in this instance is very relative. I think Kate also said that they "deserve" it, didn't she? While I'm diverted by the thought that this statement probably made a few viewers actally fall down on the ground twitching and foaming at the mouth, I don't know that anyone "deserves" a house like that. Or maybe everyone does. I don't know. I think J&K are grateful for the blessings that have come their way, but I don't know that "deserve" or "need" are really the right words for the situation.
I think J&K are fairly materialistic - and I'm not going to judge them on that, because I like nice things too. They could be a lot worse; I haven't seen Kate wearing $800 shoes or Jon driving a Porsche. And in Kate's defense, I think she does "need" space, maybe more than some other mothers of 8 kids would. That's just her personality.
I loved the house. Kate needs to spend some more time in Florida. Mold and big bugs become a way of life :}.
Yikes. Mold and big bugs. I'm not sure what horrifies me more.
There were many nitpicks, but one that is bothering me is this.... "Blah, blah, blah, Hannah gets her own room now, She is the favorite, Jon and Kate said Alexis was going to get her own room, blah, blah, blah".
The funny thing is that when it was Alexis getting her own room, the theme was "How Alexis is Being Isolated by Kate", and now that it's changed, the haters haven't missed a beat. I'll give them credit there - they are quick on their feet when it comes to finding reasons to hate total strangers for decisions that have nothing to do with them and do not affect their lives in any way.
WhatchaThink? said... What do ya'll think of severe punishment? (Kates words from her own mouth numerous times last night)
IMO NO child should be threatened with severe punishment.
Well, Whatcha, that would depend on what your version of severe punishment is. In my house a severe punishment is taking away my son's video game privileges.
In Kate's case, IMO, it meant a punishment that would "mean" something to whoever breaks the rule...no tv, loss of privleges, etc.
Why assume Kate's version of severe is anything YOU might think up?
The funny thing is that when it was Alexis getting her own room, the theme was "How Alexis is Being Isolated by Kate", and now that it's changed, the haters haven't missed a beat. I'll give them credit there - they are quick on their feet when it comes to finding reasons to hate total strangers for decisions that have nothing to do with them and do not affect their lives in any way.
You're kidding, right? I'm getting whiplash from the speed of this switch in logic.
Alexis in her own room = alienation from siblings, lower family status and parental neglect
Hannah in her own room = being made central focus of siblings, higher family status and parental favoritism
I guess ANY opinion about the Gosselins makes sense as long as it's a negative one.
I don't get why this has struck such a nerve. I've been reading over there a couple of times, but now there's about 300 more than last time. IMO some are repeaters. It's not like they didn't know they were moving into a new house. From what I've read so far the new house is ready to drip blood and every seconds of the children's life is pure torture at the hands of their evil parents.
As far as the propaganda tactics as disinformation and where it is repeated and becomes fact; More and more, the conspiracy theory of Kate's evil plan to have multiples and parlay them into fame and fortune is becoming accepted as general fact by a couple of hate boards.
I love SamanthaNC's quote on front!! That is hysterical and accurate!
WhatchaThink? said... What do ya'll think of severe punishment? (Kates words from her own mouth numerous times last night)
IMO NO child should be threatened with severe punishment.
Can you my laughter over my typing??? Do any of these people have REAL children.
Bridget said...Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
Hallelujah! Exactly. Watching an edited 22 minute reality show does NOT give you a right to co-parent the Gosselin children. Jon & Kate could care less about that hate blog's opinion on anything.
Thank God for MoreCowbell. We need some laughs today folks. I am waiting a bit before I head over to the Princess boards. Oh, I know it will be good!
Florida Mom, I do agree with you about the "want" vs. "need." I WISH we had more time to discuss that today instead of having to bat away crazies who insist Jon is holed up in a condo in Utah and the Gosselins are putting on some underage "Girls Gone Wild." Maybe tomorrow?
Nice to see some different names out there - Carrie, Annie, others, great posts.
Nina Bell, your avatar rocks!
Anya
P.S. Jace, I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone stepped to help you with your bolding question. It might easier if you email a mod. To illustrate it on blogger is kind of hard, but somebody can easily show you in an email.
I love Jon and Kate Plus 8. The people that post against them are just jealous. You can bet your bottom dollar if I could find some way to have a TV show in my house and make that much money, I would sure jump on it. Those idiots that post against them are just stupid enough to say they wouldn't and think we might believe them. That new house is awesome, but I noticed that they never showed the front of it, which is pretty swift, I am sure they are at a popularity point that they have to worry about safety issues. The #1 thing to remember is like ANYA said, the show is entertainment and that is why we watch it. I love those little kids. My daughter called me last night from college to remind me to watch the new show about the new house. My whole family loves them. If it is really true that Jon and Kate read the blogs written about them, I hope they realize that people are just jealous of them. The Gosselins simply took advantage of something and ran with it. Their children seem oblivious to what is going on.
Bridget said...Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
I meant to bring up Bridget's post but Anya beat me to it.
"Can you my laughter over my typing??? Do any of these people have REAL children."
RFLMAO!!!! Anyway who has said that they have never threatened their child with severe punishment (or some wording of it) is either lying or their children are blow up dolls.
Marci, yes, throw a can over! I was so discouraged half an hour ago, but trust you gals to cheer me up again!
I was also chuckling when Kate was talking about "severe punishment" but thinking "oh my god Kate what are you doing," those haters are going to have a field day with that, but she chooses to show us all sides of raising those kids.
RFLMAO!!!! Anyway who has said that they have never threatened their child with severe punishment (or some wording of it) is either lying or their children are blow up dolls.
Why assume Kate's version of severe is anything YOU might think up?
No Marci, I think the correct statement is, "Why assume Kate's version of 'severe' is anything GWoPpers might MAKE up."
Because really, we know that's what's going to happen, here. Kate's innocuous statement has cracked open the door. Get ready for the outrage, accusations and declarations that Kate is abusing her kids and round 18599 of "Let's call CPS on her," using the old standard, "repeat it often enough and it becomes true" methods of "selective advocacy."
I loved the house. Kate needs to spend some more time in Florida. Mold and big bugs become a way of life :}.
Yikes. Mold and big bugs. I'm not sure what horrifies me more.
Hurricanes and tropical storms? A couple years ago, I asked my cousin why he moved to Florida (as he was evacuating for the fourth time that year because of hurricane warnings). His answer, "So I can play golf on Valentine's Day."
Uhhhh. Okay. I guess I'm just not that fond of golf.
Had Kate said something like "If any of you come into our room, I'll beat you with a plastic alligator and lock you in our new fancy barn," I'd be worried. "Severe punishment"...please.
Actually, I might have missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has suggested that the Gosselins are planning to lock the brood up in the stables. Each kid can have his or her very own stall!
Thanks to all who brought a smile-- I appreciate it after so many posts and craziness today!! I'm all for balanced discussion and new posters speaking their minds, but today has been BUSY!
Princess boards are having a great time-- noticed a new poster there who had some great things to say, too :)....
I just saw a promo for the next episode and Kate makes a comment about how they have so many memories at the old house and are excited for the new one. There were some great clips too-- Jon and Kate sitting together outside and laughing with each other while they watched the kids, Joel riding his bike, etc... its neat to see those memories that are at times lost in the midst of 'advocacy' etc.
Actually, I might have missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has suggested that the Gosselins are planning to lock the brood up in the stables. Each kid can have his or her very own stall!
It wasn't mentioned on here but it's been mentioned on the other sight.
They said that they will have to live in there and can only enter the main house upon giving Jon and Kate 24 hours notice.
{Start Sarcasm} That's why they bought a house with a barn, don't you know? Jon and Kate now have their Barbie Dream House and are done with the kids. They will send them to the barn so they never have to see them...all but Hannah because she is loved. {End Sarcasm}
Those people at GWOP really make me laugh.
As for the "severe punishment" debate. Do people really think she meant beating them with a wire hanger? I am a Kindergarten teacher and I have threatened my K kids with severe punishment--losing a bit of recess.
I didn't get to see the show, but I did watch it on youtube. I don't see why the two oldest kids didn't get their ownd rooms, but maybe there is a good reason.
And the show did have its "WTH" moments with the very stern talking to that Kate gave Jon and the kids about the room. Yikes! She really is dramatic. And I don't think Mady's behavior was sweet in the least. She is acting out a lot, almost more than some of the little ones.
I watched the first 5-10 minutes of the episode tonight on DVR. When the kids first enter the house and run around there is a woman w/ short brown hair wearing a red shirt standing in the hall. The camera clearly catches her. There isn't a close enough shot to tell for sure who it is.
I love the new quote @ the top of the page from Samantha!
merryway said...For those of us that missed it, Toddlers & Tiaras is on now.
Gonna go watch it now.
Miranda said...Actually, I might have missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has suggested that the Gosselins are planning to lock the brood up in the stables. Each kid can have his or her very own stall!
LOL! Much of the humor here today has been a welcome relief from the earlier craziness. Thanks!
As for the "severe punishment" debate. Do people really think she meant beating them with a wire hanger? I am a Kindergarten teacher and I have threatened my K kids with severe punishment--losing a bit of recess.
Yep, based on what we have seen so far, I think a quick trip to the corner is probably what would will happen. Oh my! When will the abuse end?
CindyN, I don't know that I have seen you posting before, in any case, nice to see you!
I don't know for sure if they read any blogs or not. (I am not going to use my "imagination machine" to conjure up speculation into "fact.")
My guess, no. They are super busy with the kids and outside opportunities and there hasn't been anything new said on any of the hate sites for 4 or 5 months.
The other site is cracking me up. They are over there saying things like "I wonder if Pa's CPS has seen the clip of Mady kicking Alexis and nothing being done about it?" I laugh because shows like Nanny 911 and Super Nanny exist that show WAY worse behavior than that and everyone thinks those shows are great.
On those shows I've already seen kids trying to stab other kids, kids smothering other kids, kids walking out of the house and around the neighborhood, kids peeing on one another, and the list goes on. If CPS doesn't come out for those families I assure you they have no interest in the G's whose kids display typical behavior. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know there are some people who will not let facts get in the way of their opinions, but considering that throughout Kate's speech about the bedroom being off-limits, her kids paid very little attention to her and her warnings of severe punishment, I would think it's safe to say that they are not afraid of her. Maybe - just maybe! - they know more about Kate and how she parents than we do.
"Above all, those children are loved. You can see that in any episode. They are happy and thriving. The tup's vocabulary amazes me with every show."
OK, sorry I forget who wrote that, but I don't see how anyone who actually WATCHES this show can say that Mady is "happy and thriving." Same with Cara. And I think the little kids seem happy mostly because they don't know enough not to.
Anya said... Bridget said...Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
Hallelujah! Exactly. Watching an edited 22 minute reality show does NOT give you a right to co-parent the Gosselin children. Jon & Kate could care less about that hate blog's opinion on anything. ___________________
Right on! Right on! Right on! Thanks for making that clear to all Anya and Bridget. That says it all. Well done!
Morecowbell--you are too funny. Jim-Boob cracked me up. And, thanks for explaining the "truth" to our new friend.
Mady is shown being sweet several times during the show. In general, you can see she's excited about the house. She was running around and playing, hugging, and holding hands with her little sisters.
You need to actually watch the show with an open mind to notice this stuff. You'll see Kate smiling and speaking gratefully, too, if you watch. The Gosselins were clearly happy to be in their home.
amyf said, "And I think the little kids seem happy mostly because they don't know enough not to." Well, that's an interesting observation. So if someone is happy with his life, and you don't think he should be, he's not really happy? I don't think it works that way (thank goodness.)
I don't get the whole "let's call CPS" thing. That is the top-rated TLC show; wouldn't someone have already stepped in if there were real issues? But, of course, the haters are smarter than the rest of America and we're all just uneducated fools. They know best. I picture all the haters as fitting a similar mold. Forgive me, as I know this sounds rude, but I come from a very small town where there are lots of gossipy, catty women who are out to cause drama. My guess is a lot of them post on anti-G hate sites. Small towns, between 35-50, feathery perms, alienated, reputation for flying off the handle a little too often, little experience outside of their home towns, etc. They hate change so much that the fact that the Gosselins bettered their own lives by making money, traveling, moving, etc, genuinely hurts the haters' feelings. They thought they *knew* the Gs.
I'm also wondering about any legal issues with all the accusations the haters are making about the Gs. I wonder if slander applies on an Internet blog? My guess is the Gs just don't care enough, and who can blame them? I really just wish the haters would be more careful and have some tact. They have absolutely no class or the ability to recognize what tact and class are. Some of the comments they are leaving about Hannah particularly -- if they truly *cared* about these children, they'd leave the kids out of it. So transparent.
Summer said: I'm also wondering about any legal issues with all the accusations the haters are making about the Gs. I wonder if slander applies on an Internet blog?
I am always really curious about this as well, since many of the things I have read elsewhere are completely actionable. Someone upthread mentioned how detrimental the statements accusing cameramen of doing bad things are, as well.
Slander is when something is spoken, and libel is when it is written. The internet may seem anonymous, but all GWoP/Blogger would need was a subpoena and they would be forced to turn over their records and information to authorities. The problem lies in how so many state something as a fact (i.e. CPS claims) when it is purely their opinion. These comments have already snowballed into huge rumors (check out the propaganda thread-- there is tons more info there) so I would not at all be shocked if J & K were thinking of taking action. Then again, as you said, they are busy and from interviews they have given seem to feel people are entitled to their opinion.
I definitely agree there are a lot of hateful, malicious things floating around out there. Free speech is great as long as it does not encroach on the life and free speech of others though, and that line has been crossed over and over.
I am amazed at how unaware the "haters" are. I am talking about the vitriolic posters elsewhere...
I have seen all of the Gosselin kids crying/melting down at some point, but I would not describe them as unhappy. If these kids are abused, why are they always smiling? How does getting your own room constitute abuse against you or a sibling? Is a big house a form of punishment? Is it abusive to be crabby and snappy at your husband and children? Can being a "germophobe" be compared to "child abuser?"
Even if the show is a mistake, even if Kate qualified as "cold", these things aren't abuse. The charge is as dramatic and over-the-top an exaggeration as Kate's "severeness" threat.
And Kate Gosselin doesn't come close to being as mean as posters over there. In an attempt to show how awful Kate Gosselin is, these posters are far more awful. They make no sense.
Finally, a few months ago, GWOP's founder wrote that child advocacy was the "furthest thing from her mind" when she started GWOP. So whoever thinks it's an advocacy site, adjust your thinking on that. It is not and doesn't purport to be one (and they have lived down to their own goals for themselves.)
Yeah the whole CPS thing is nuts. And of course I have left comments over there saying so and also mentioning the fact that shows like Nanny 911 and Super Nanny exist and how much worse they are but of course they won't approve those comments.
Don't get me wrong, I like those shows and watch them. But, I am also not the one sitting here crying how CPS needs to be called because the kids on the show have tried stabbing each other, left the house unattended, tried smothering their siblings, etc.
I'm just trying to show the haters the comparison. In one breath they say CPS needs to be called just because the Gosselin kids fight and stuff. And yet they watch shows that feature kids specifically at their worst. Doesn't make sense.
A few people over there have even suggested Kate take lessons from the Nannies. So I posted a comment asking them how they can approve of such a show and yet codemn Kate? But of course, they didn't approve that comment either.
I love how they say they allow opinions from both sides and yet there have been MANY comments of mine that never make it through. And I never go against any of their posting rules either. It doesn't make sense.
I've seen Jon criticized for using the term "out-building." Maybe it's a regional term, but it's perfectly acceptable to describe the buildings on the property as out-buildings. There is nothing pretentious at all about it.
As far as Jon and "out building" maybe he's making fun of some nasty person who used the term! Wouldn't surprise me given his dry sense of humor.
I think these kids are fine. They are kids. They will act out. They will push and test limits. The running around the house was very funny and they were so excited and happy. I think this family appreciates being able to move up to such a lovely home.
Ladies, I don't know how you go to gwop and read it. I peek in sometimes when one of you has mentioned how ridiculous a thread is and after 10 posts I am over it. It's just one stupid comment after another. The level of discussion is sub par. It embarrasses me.
Some of the comments they are leaving about Hannah particularly -- if they truly *cared* about these children, they'd leave the kids out of it. So transparent.
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Their hatred for Hannah is stunning. Just stunning. She is FIVE years old. I see a sweet little girl when I see Hannah, Ive never seen anything to indicate she was cunning or manipulative. Again, Id like to get a look at the people who are calling Hannah fat. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are projecting again.
You would think people who are so "educated" and "intelligently sophisticated" would be able to think up comments other than the above or "Hannah looks slow" while they are advocating for children.
Mary, Without a doubt, the best way to "read GWOP" is to read the Princess boards. They cut and paste some of the most ridiculous comments and make snarky remarks about the posts. They are funny, and dead-on about the GWOP posters. I agree with you that reading GWOP is too much stupid for one person to take.
Fiona's 400+ comments guess needs to be revised. It's only Wednesday and they are already nearly double that.
What was it about this episode that had them so riled up? There were no bare bottoms, no meltdowns, no 'love taps,' no traveling, no private tours, no shower scenes.
It wasn't that big house was it? No, they're not jealous...not one bit.
Did anyone notice there was no footage of the outside of the house? When Jon and the kids were outside and walking down the driveway it seemed the camera deliberately lowered so as not to show the background. Are they not showing it for privacy reasons or did I just miss it?
Your post underscores what I've always thought about that other board. In their supposed attempts to advocate against the alleged abuse and exploitation about the posters (and the moderators by letting those comments go through) they ABUSE and EXPLOIT those kids.
Not you Samantha... I was reading a bit at GWOP. Really, they are upset with the term. It's so common around here, and elsewhere I imagine. Farms may have other buildings besides barns that used to serve other functions, no longer in use, including a summer kitchen, chicken coop, shed, springhouse, slaughter house, root cellar, outhouse. All of them, including the barn, are called out-buildings, so Jon wasn't being pretentious. But at GWOP, the term "out-building" is just too fancy for Jon Gosselin to use. There is resentment over the term!
Jan, I noticed that they didn't show much of the outside of the house, too. They didn't show a pool, either.
I am guessing it's for privacy reasons, but maybe it just got edited out? If it is for the sake of the family's privacy, that makes GWOP look bad doesn't it? GWOP lives by a motto that what the parents put on TV is "fair game" but if the outside of the home is never on TV, then I guess they've violated the kids' privacy, haven't they?
While I do not post on this board often I do try to always go by the rule that I would never write/say something ABOUT somebody that I wouldn't feel comfortable saying to that persons face.
It just makes me wonder if many of the people who are so malicious, and cruel are that way because they see the internet as a way to be anonymous? I highly doubt that 95% of the things that are said on the internet would actually be said to Jon and Kate's faces given the opportunity.
Guin said: Kate's speech about the bedroom being off-limits, her kids paid very little attention to her and her warnings of severe punishment, I would think it's safe to say that they are not afraid of her. Maybe - just maybe! - they know more about Kate and how she parents than we do
I hope you're right. It sounded harsh to me. I think she is very focused on getting some privacy for herself. She seemed determined that the new house and its large size and the new rules about her bedroom will reduce her stress. Hopefully it does work for her. I think she's missing out on some amazing moments with her kids if she lives steadfastly by the rule that her kids never step a foot inside their room.
When I first watched the show I agreed with whoever said "she's a nutjob" but I'm trying to be more analytical about why she acts the way she does.
What I said has all been truth. I have not passed on any rumors or speculation. By the definition of exploitation the Gosselin kids are exploited. Exploitation is also VERY wrong. The only way for the exploitation to stop is if they are off they air.
Guin said: Kate's speech about the bedroom being off-limits, her kids paid very little attention to her and her warnings of severe punishment, I would think it's safe to say that they are not afraid of her. Maybe - just maybe! - they know more about Kate and how she parents than we do.
My take on this scene that seems to be garnering so much negative attention...Kate was trying to implement a new rule on a bunch of kids who were excited and distracted. I think it was probably the right time to bring up the the new rules, but that the implementation and dicussion of consequences for breaking the rules could have waited for a calmer moment.
rain88 said... I hope you're right. It sounded harsh to me. I think she is very focused on getting some privacy for herself. She seemed determined that the new house and its large size and the new rules about her bedroom will reduce her stress. Hopefully it does work for her. I think she's missing out on some amazing moments with her kids if she lives steadfastly by the rule that her kids never step a foot inside their room.
I can see how some people might see it as harsh (to not want your kids in your bedroom all the time) or that the delivery was harsh ("severe consequences).
I think part of that (the delivery) is the fact that Kate kept repeating herself and then tried to get Jon to back her up because the kids weren't focusing.
I do think that the tups have reached the appropriate age...and moving into a new house is a good opportunity to start fresh with new rules...to start teaching them self-control and to respect their parents' and older sisters' spaces.
I know Kate made it sound like the kids would never be in the room, but IMO the likelihood is the kids will be asked to knock and ask to come in (I've seen the twins filmed standing outside the parents' bedroom talking through the door) and the master bedroom in the new house will no longer be a tv/hangout room like it was in the old one (Kate mentioned this, I believe).
I somehow doubt, however strict Jon and Kate want this rule to be, that the kids will never be allowed in that room. Just doesn't seem likely.
Its A Good Thing said... What I said has all been truth. I have not passed on any rumors or speculation. By the definition of exploitation the Gosselin kids are exploited. Exploitation is also VERY wrong. The only way for the exploitation to stop is if they are off they air.
Does the "truth" of your statements apply to the comments you post at GWOP? Are you that same poster over there who has concluded that the Gosselins don't pay taxes? By definition, making up something you can't possibly know (and isn't even reasonable) is rumor and speculation. Are you the one who is hoping that the children grow up to disown their parents? I am sure if you are, it's because you absolutely care for the children and only want the best for them (snort.) It has nothing to do with your obsessing about that big house, does it? No, you're not jealous...
About that speech of Kate's... Sometimes I think she's a drama queen, or "hamming it up" for the TV. I actually think that if the camera weren't there, she would have been calmer. To me, she sounded crabby and ridiculous (not the rule, which I think is fine, just the delivery.) And I agree with Guin. The kids were barely listening and just fidgeting until she was done. They are not afraid of her threat of "severeness." It's a rule, and it will be broken. If it's broken for a good reason (someone is hurt) she won't complain. When it is broken for a bad reason (someone's sneaking in there to go through her drawers) it will be corrected. No big deal.
Holy crap Batman! Step away from the computer for one day and look what I miss!
My eyes hurt. That's all I have to say. This is an interesting thread for sure.
The following is my opinion regarding Monday night's epi:
-I like the house - the space is great for the kids. Can't wait to see how they furnish it all!
-The comments regarding the kicking bit were a bit over dramatic in my opinion. Kate wasn't in the room and reacted as such. It's not the cameramans job to separate or discipline the children. I'm sure Mady "got a talking to" after Kate saw the actual incident.
-I have spent that much time cleaning a fridge before.
-I don't consider the new house a "mansion" - just a great house with adequate and sensible square feet that suits their family's needs. I thought their former home's general living space was lacking for a family of this size.
-I didn't care for the way Kate handled the "you're not allowed in our room" talk was poor. I don't think it really made much sense to the kids being that the house was vacant. I also thought the words "severe punishment" seemed a bit over-the-top. With that said, I only have one kid and have trouble with privacy. I'm sure there is more happening than what we've all seen on TV as far as lack of privacy goes for J&K.
Does everyone think they will change the interview room?
Long time reader, first time poster, as a mom of a 28 month old and a 9 month old who was a preemie, I can honestly say that I do NOT get how Kate can treat her children this way. To ban children from her bedroom, to ignore a child who needs help being wiped, and to literally let those kids go off "hither, thither and yon" to me spells disaster. I was at one point a fan, I identified with Kate with the whole preemie thing and thought well if she can do it with 8, I most certainly can do it with 2. I no longer feel that way, this show used to be enjoyable, and now it's just painful to watch, this episode could have been a joy to watch and instead was sad and further served to reiterate how this family has grown apart. They worked as a unit before, now it's all about making a buck, J&K seem to never be in the same room anymore, and it's just become too much. As mom to my preemie, I can say I wouldn't sell my baby(s) pottie problems, temper tantrums and overall childhood to the highest bidder. Someone will pay the price eventually, but this show needs to end NOW.
Guinevere, sweetie, of course I realize that I don't need to watch, however there is a thing called "free will" and that allows me to watch what I please, the reason I watched was simply like the others, to see if the stuff about the house was true and to see if the show had improved any from the latest shows, sadly it has not and it was at the moment that I saw that shrew yelling at her children to stay out of her room, that I thought to myself, this needs to end, but it is OVER for me. As a mom OF a preemie, I would NEVER do that to my kids !
"Above all, those children are loved. You can see that in any episode. They are happy and thriving. The tup's vocabulary amazes me with every show."
OK, sorry I forget who wrote that, but I don't see how anyone who actually WATCHES this show can say that Mady is "happy and thriving." Same with Cara. And I think the little kids seem happy mostly because they don't know enough not to.
I wrote that. The reason I say the children are happy and thriving is because I see them laughing, playing, arguing, throwing fits, etc. In other words, I see them engaging in age appropriate behavior. They act no different than most children their ages. My opinion (not wrong, just mine) is that all eight of them have distinct personalities. Perhaps Mady's personality is a bit more high strung/sensitive. Do I have anything to back that up? No. All I have is what I do see when I watch it. /begin sarcasm/ Perhaps I'm not watching through GWOP colored glasses. Do I want to? Not if it means immediately seeing no redeemable qualities in anything or anyone. /end sarcasm/
Actually no, I was wrong, when I FIRST started to become aware the J&K were not what they seemed, was when the whole Aunt Jodi/Julie debacle exploded, that's when I began to question things and read things, but like I said, free will, that is what enabled me to watch.
A pool is not dangerous. It's the lack of supervision that can be dangerous. Having a pool can be great for a family and "friends" when there are any. Please - stop panicking because they have a pool or you are buying a house and can't be bothered with one. I live in the NE and it was and still is great to have a pool even as my kids are late teens early 20s.
I just don't get why this episode has created so much interest online. It wasn't even that interesting! I agree, Kate handled the whole "Don't come in our room" issue poorly. Frankly, however, I don't see her even sticking with that rule.
I think the house will be nice for them, but really, what a fantastic outdoor area for the children to play in! It will be nice for their family, especially as the children grow and take up more space! :)
Can someone explain to me why there are 300 comments here, and 800+ on other blogs? I just don't get it! What was so outrageous about this episode?
Patty, I agree about the pool. We saw the kids have swimming lessons over the summer and by the time they were in Hawaii even the sextuplets were swimming with more confidence and ease. Maybe Jon and Kate had been looking at houses at this point and debating whether they wanted a pool, so they thought ahead and made sure their kids had some training to know how to swim and act around water. Who knows-- I think that it cannot hurt a child to know how to swim as well as being aware of how to safely act in the water.
(This reminded me of the adorable clips we saw of Leah (I think it was) swimming on her own without floaties when they were in Hawaii or San Diego... she was quite a little fish!)
heather, it's easy to state that you will NEVER yell at your kids when they are infants. we all think that. then they get bigger and we have our "off days" and sometimes we lose it. when my first was a baby i used to see these women in the store with several kids and the mom was snapping at them. the kids had snot on their face and crazy clothes on and i thought "my kids will NEVER be like that". here i am ten years later with four kids and i'm the one snapping at kroger with one kid dressed as superman, one in a tutu and snow boots and a baby with a constant running nose (he has lots of food allergies)
I don't understand what having a preemie has to do with anything, Heather? I didn't have a preemie...so what? Do you have a different set of mothering standards for your preemie than for your full-term child? What is your point?
Well, that's an interesting observation. So if someone is happy with his life, and you don't think he should be, he's not really happy? I don't think it works that way (thank goodness.)
Yeah, really! At a certain point I can't help but think that some posters really WANT the kids to be miserable, to bolster their own prejudices. It's pretty sick IMO.
Can being a "germophobe" be compared to "child abuser?"
I saw a quote brought over to the Princess board to the effect that the kids were horribly abused. It just boggles my mind; I wonder if the poster has any idea of what true "horrible abuse" might entail. It's not telling your kids that they can't come into your room uninvited, and it's not failing to drop everything to wipe their butts the moment they call for you.
And Kate Gosselin doesn't come close to being as mean as posters over there. In an attempt to show how awful Kate Gosselin is, these posters are far more awful. They make no sense.
But it's okay, because in their world, "Kate did it first!", and two wrongs make a right. Apparently, they are all in third grade, still.
Without a doubt, the best way to "read GWOP" is to read the Princess boards. They cut and paste some of the most ridiculous comments and make snarky remarks about the posts. They are funny, and dead-on about the GWOP posters. I agree with you that reading GWOP is too much stupid for one person to take.
I absolutely agree. Reading GWoP straight is depressing - it makes you wonder how many of the women around you are *that* angry and ugly inside. Whereas the Princess thread is usually fun - you just get the best (or worst, depending on how you think of it) comments, and free snark. It's awesome.
SamanthaNC - actually I won't change my mind, I was brought up in a home where I was an only child and was encouraged to sleep in my mom's bed, my father passed away when I was 9. As for the comment about my 2 and 9 month old, only in the past month or so, has my son slept in his own room, as I stated, he was a preemie, thus he was in a bassinet beside our bed for almost 7 months. I want my children not only now, but when they are older to know that they are welcome to come into our bed, I know I used to do the same when my father was alive, to jump in bed with them on Saturday mornings, I want my kids to feel comfortable and it's a little insulting to me for you to be insinutating that since my children are young, I seem to not know of what I speak. With all respect.
SAINT - THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PREEMIE !!! So HOW can you try to say something like this when YOU have not been in the situation ! IF you had read my original post, you would have read that at first I identified with Kate because of the fact that she as well had a prem, moms of prems tend to gravitate towards one another since we all KNOW what it's like, NOBODY can say ANYTHING, about our situation unless you have been through it.
Guinevere, sweetie, of course I realize that I don't need to watch, however there is a thing called "free will" and that allows me to watch what I please,
Of course. If it pleases you to watch something you find "painful", have at it. I have nothing against masochists - as someone once said (I've seen it attributed to everyone from Henry VIII to Alice Roosevelt), "I don't care what the people do, as long as they don't do it in the streets and scare the horses."
Can someone explain to me why there are 300 comments here, and 800+ on other blogs? I just don't get it! What was so outrageous about this episode?
Good question, scarfoot...I asked something similar above. I think this house is probably too darn nice for Kate Gosselin in some people's minds. I honestly think that if the Gosselins did everything EXCATLY the same way but only received 1% of the money/trips/freebies for it that they actually got, Kate would not be such a villain and Jon would be a nice guy with a big family struggling to keep his head above water. It's not the exposure or lack of privacy most haters resent. It's that they once needed help form people like us and now they are much more wealthy. JMO.
themrs - I'm not speaking of not yelling at my children, my point is that this woman pimps out her children to the highest bidder and THAT is what I would not do, as well I would NOT ban my children from my bedroom, of course nobody is perfect and yes I snap at my children. That was not the point of my post.
My opinion (not wrong, just mine) is that all eight of them have distinct personalities. Perhaps Mady's personality is a bit more high strung/sensitive.
I agree. With eight kids, there is bound to be a sensitive/difficult one (or two!) in the bunch. Correlation does not equal causation, and I've seen no evidence that Mady's "issues" have anything to do with the show.
Of course, I also don't think she is the next coming of Cruela de Vil - she's just a normal little girl, cute and smart, but a bit more tempermental, emotional and moody than some. I think she's an awesome kid, and has the potential to be anything she wants to be.
Saint - as far as mothering standards, no, there is no difference between my 2 children, except that when my son was born, there was SO much more involved, it's hard to describe, the endless dr's appts, then the fact that he screamed all day long, and it broke my heart to leave him in the NICU when I was discharged, after being hospitalized for 11 days.
heather- i apologize for misrepresenting you then. i also would not choose to do a tv show. i do, however, have a no kids in the bedroom rule. they are allowed to come in if they are ill or there is an emergency. otherwise, mommy's room is mommy's room. with four under 9, i have to be rather rigid to get two minutes alone with my husband. they know that if we go in there in the daytime, we need to discuss something private and they need to knock if they need us. i don't see that as bad parenting but rather as one tool i must implement to have a good marriage.
IMO the house is not too big for this family and many, many families have pools, as my family did when I was a child in Florida. Parents learn how to keep their children safe around pools. It will be great for the kids to have so much land to just run around on and that long, long driveway to ride bikes and scooters. I have no problem at all with the house. It is really lovely. I am familiar with that part of PA and the seasons come and go with beauty.
I believe I have seen every single episode of this show and although I know all about the criticism, I chose to watch because of the kids. They each are special and cute and, I think, funny in their own way.
But I will never ever watch another episode. I can't take Kate's personality anymore, her misuse of her authority over the kids (don't ever come in my room) and her constant degradation of her husband right flat in front of those children. Kids absorb everything you say. I have five little ones, myself, and I simply can not abide this woman any longer.
Why anyone would consider the show I witnessed on Monday to be entertainment boggles the mind. TLC needs to let this family go and perhaps they'll get back to some semblence of normal living. They now have the means to live well, thanks to the tups, and so should be left in peace (whether they like it or not).
SAINT - THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PREEMIE !!! So HOW can you try to say something like this when YOU have not been in the situation !
Well, you were an only child. I grew up in a family with eight kids (and more at various times because my parents opened our home to other children as well) and so YOU can't say anything to me or about Kate Gosselin because of your own rule that you have to live it to comment on it.
I did read your original post. You know what? It still makes no sense. You felt drawn to Kate because she had (six) preemies. You only had one. I've got news for you Heather...you haven't lived Kate Gosselin's life. You're six kids short by your own count.
rain88 said...When I first watched the show I agreed with whoever said "she's a nutjob" but I'm trying to be more analytical about why she acts the way she does.
I think this is a good point. Even a casual viewer will notice that Kate has her, um, moments. I have learned to look at them with a compassionate eye. And, yes, I do try and analyze her. It's kind of fun. I feel like I am getting two for the price of one - adorable kids and trying to get in Kate Gosselin's head! She is so different from me, but I find her very interesting. Occasionally exasperating, sure, but I do believe she loves her kids with all her heart and would do anything for them. I wouldn't watch otherwise.
Heather said (quite emphatically)... NOBODY can say ANYTHING, about our situation unless you have been through it.
I find this argument interesting coming from someone who in the last breath was throwing out judgements about another mother you don't know and in whose shoes you have not walked.
heather, it's easy to state that you will NEVER yell at your kids when they are infants. we all think that. then they get bigger and we have our "off days" and sometimes we lose it. when my first was a baby i used to see these women in the store with several kids and the mom was snapping at them. the kids had snot on their face and crazy clothes on and i thought "my kids will NEVER be like that". here i am ten years later with four kids and i'm the one snapping at kroger with one kid dressed as superman, one in a tutu and snow boots and a baby with a constant running nose (he has lots of food allergies)
Oh, it's so true! It's easy to judge when you're on the outside looking in. It feels very different in the moment.
Ok now on to the episode and comments. I also don't get the "would never yell at my preemie child". I guess I am missing something here. Your either going to yell at your child or not. Parents get frustrated and yell sometimes. If you don't and your name is Michelle Duggar, good for you.... However, the reality is WE yell. It happens. We may feel like crap afterwards but frustrations can get the better of you. I know my son knew the minute he heard the loud ONE, TWO, his behavior changed by three. He grew up just fine. And with great manners.
As far as the house, it was a nice house for them. I am guessing they are taking the proper precautions for pool safety. As far as the Mady issue... I would have given both girls a talking to and a time out. As for the fridge, I would have freaked out on that as well. And finding mouse turds,,, exterminator here you come.....
What's the big deal getting so worked up about Kate wanting her master bedroom her private space. Both my children slept in my room until they got old enough to sleep in there own room, the daughter was 9 months when we kicked her out and the son was 11 months but now my bedroom is off limits to the children unless they are sick but you know the hubby and I like some times to get some "private time" and we don't want to worry about some little one coming in at the wrong time. There bed is there bed and mine is mine, it's not Little House on the Prairie in my house. So this rule is fine for some people and it will not scar the Gosselin children one bit not being allowed in the master bedroom. Get over yourselves!
Its A Good Thing said... Well then I guess its good for the Gosselin children that you have no control over the GWOP site. They are advocating for the children. People here however, wear their rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge the truth.
Advocating for the children does NOT mean trying to sabotage their parents' means of supporting them and it does not mean leaving hateful and spiteful unfounded lies about the parents and the children on the internet that will be read in years to come. (And I don't buy the premise that this is all the parents' fault or these messages would not be left. It's not. It's GWOP's fault.) The lack of concern shown by GWOP for the Gosselin children in the long run negates anything that they consider "advocacy".
By the way, I didn't say anything about Heather's situation. She just imagines that I did. I said I didn't understand what having a preemie has to do with why she wouldn't ever yell at her children. Too bad being the mother of a preemie didn't stop her from yelling at me. Take it easy on the shift key, Heather.
Of course, I also don't think she is the next coming of Cruela de Vil - she's just a normal little girl, cute and smart, but a bit more tempermental, emotional and moody than some. I think she's an awesome kid, and has the potential to be anything she wants to be.
Thank you! This is something that bothers me. How people think that these children are the scheming, manipulating devil spawn that are either held high or kept in the dungeon is beyond me.
As I said in my first post, I don't watch this show religiously. I don't dvr it and then pause, rewind, replay, rinse repeat ad nauseum. I don't analyze frame by frame who got a piece of gum and who didn't.
Does Kate get on my nerves? Sometimes. Do I think Jon ought to assert himself more? Sometimes. Then I remember that this is a taped show. Some things are edited or removed completely. We don't see what goes on in that house at all times.
I don't read GWOP. There's not enough soap in the world to get me clean from the anger, disgust and hatred that's there. I'm all for dissenting views and I have to give the admins here their due.
What's the big deal getting so worked up about Kate wanting her master bedroom her private space.
The big deal (besides the way she said it, which I didn't take seriously but I agree was unnecessarily emphatic) is that the haters jump on ANYTHING that suggests that a mother not be totally and completely selfless. The fact that Kate might want a sanctuary, one place where the kids' stuff isn't spread out all over the place, is just one more brick in the "Kate is the worst human being EVER" wall.
People have some crazy, crazy ideas about mothering. Kate is still a human being. She has a right to her own space, particularly now that they have a house with plenty of it.
My husband is CPS. He is a child welfare worker who works with children 12-18. He has been doing this for 10+ years. He also works with our local gang task force to reduce gang activity in our city as well as in families. What the Gosselin's are doing is not a child welfare issue. Parents teaching their 4 year olds to throw gang signs is child abuse. Parents driving drunk with their kids unseatbelted in the car is is child abuse. Parents beating their kids is child abuse.
My husband watches this show with me on a weekly basis. Before I give an opinion on what I think of the show I always ask what he thinks and if he sees any CPS issue that he thinks needs to be dealt with. The answer is always NO. There is not a CPS issue that is being aired on TV in regards to the Gosselins. Give it a rest on the CPS being called.
Does Kate get on my nerves? Sometimes. Do I think Jon ought to assert himself more? Sometimes. Then I remember that this is a taped show. Some things are edited or removed completely. We don't see what goes on in that house at all times.
Guin said... The big deal (besides the way she said it, which I didn't take seriously but I agree was unnecessarily emphatic) is that the haters jump on ANYTHING that suggests that a mother not be totally and completely selfless.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no going back for most haters as far as Kate's concerned. Even if they had a moment of sanity for an objective look at Kate's behavior, they certainly wouldn't voice any new revelations on GWOP (not that it would be posted there anyway).
They watch the show for anything to criticize and come back to GWOP to snark about it ...and apparently delight in saying it over and over and over .... and that's it. Period.
There's nothing over in that cesspool of hate that resembles concern for children. It's a snark board gone terribly wrong, that's it.
Two comments- 1) My daughter was a preemie and I yell at her and scold her quite a bit. I am super proud of it? No. Am I a human mom? Yes. The little girl who was under four pounds when she was born is imaginative, playful, funny, caring, and naughty and 8 years old! I am told sometimes by her that I am "mean" and I "don't let her have any fun". Sounds like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing! Parents are not supposed to be friends. They are supposed to teach their children to be responsible adults.
2) Thank you to the poster who's husband is in CPS. I work in foster care and the Gosselin kids are not being abused. No matter how you slice it, they're not. And jealousy is never a good reason for calling CPS.
Does Kate get on my nerves? Sometimes. Do I think Jon ought to assert himself more? Sometimes. Then I remember that this is a taped show. Some things are edited or removed completely. We don't see what goes on in that house at all times.
I agree with this. Kate and Jon are real people with real feelings, faults, etc.
I think alot of the people over at the other board tend to forget that. Not only that, but Jon and Kate are at the mercy of editing and a lot of the the interactions before or after is said may be edited out.
On another topic, I also don't get the logic of not yelling at the preemie child. Heather may not have meant it, but it seems like she was saying that she treats her full term child differently and with different standards than her preemie child.
Thanks for the information. Simple common sense would dictate there is nothing going on in the Gosselin household that is so concerning for CPS to even make a preliminary phone call, but it's good to hear it from the mouth of a trained professional.
I am sure some have heard of the case of Riley Ann Sawyers. If you haven't, I suggest you Google it only if you are emotionally able to handle it.
People who throw out the term "abuse" in regards to the Gosselin children have something very very wrong with them.
Anya, I really wish I had not googled Baby Grace. Wow. That is heart breaking. I have talked before about how false CPS claims can be so detrimental to someone (my aunt and uncle had CPS called on them by a neighbor when my niece was a baby-- she was in a walker upstairs and fell down the steps in it. Complete freak accident that gets replayed in my aunt and uncles mind all the time, and now something that there is a record of due to someone stepping in where they had no right to. She is one of the smartest 12 year olds I know now, and she is definitely no worse for the wear.) I can completely see that accidents sometimes happen with children-- they fall, get hurt, have a bad day, hit someone-- but CPS from what I can see is there to protect children from abuse-- not from being kids or having random accidents that are actual accidents.
Good grief-- I meant to say when my cousin was a baby, not my niece. Duh. This aunt and uncle are more like a big brother and sister in law to me, so their kids feel more like nieces than cousins, but I wanted clarify that. It's been a long day!!
Thank you Jenn! For a few years I worked as a PR Manager for a home of neglected and abused children. Although most of the kids at that home were high schoolers, the campus was able to take younger children for emergency placement.
When the whole fake PennMommy began her CPS rants, I just shook my head. I don't think some people out there can get past their hate for K and see how happy and loved (and well taken care of) these kids seem to be.
If a child is being abused there is no way that the child can fake the smiles, giggles and the twinkle in their eye. All the Gosselin children smile, get the giggles, and have a twinkle in their eye. Afterall,in the words of Aiden "I thought we were buddies."
Anya, Thanks for the news article of Riley Ann Sawyers. Stories like that make me cry. Child abuse is serious and for all the children who needed someone to call CPS on there behalf don't get a call but how insulting it is for these children when someone thinks the Gosselins need CPS to be called for them when they obvious don't need it. I can go on a rant about what child abuse is but most sane people already know.
OT..but I am still laughing my butt off at Michelle Duggar when they asked her how she liked going into a Head Shop in San Francisco... Huh? Head Shop? What's that? What did I go into? omg classic.
I'm not quite sure why GWOP is so up in arms about the new house?
So... the kids now have acres to run around on, a home that is more private and spacious, a pool to continue swimming lessons, and the possibility of having a few animals. That house was sure as hell bought FOR THEM.
If Jon & Kate had bought a small Italian villa that they refused to take the kids to, I might be more inclined to think exploitation. To me, I really do believe everything these parents do is FOR THE KIDS and therefore not exploitation. It doesn't mean the parents don't have their ugly moments or the children are perfect in every way.
I'm also completely irritated that because I'm not on the same page as posters on GWOP I'm uneducated... damn... what am I going to do with that MBA now??
This show certainly hit a nerve. Maybe because some of the questions were addressed last week. They are back to writing churches and harassing some poor pastor. I can't figure out why J&K are responsible for all the less fortunate. I wonder if they feel the same way about lottery winners.
Merryway, Great avatar. Yes, I noticed the angry mob is harrassing that pastor. I hope they make the mistake of telling him the blog they come from so he can read all the great Christian, child-loving comments under any of the threads. That'll convince him they are sane truth-tellers. Not.
I want my kids to feel comfortable and it's a little insulting to me for you to be insinutating that since my children are young, I seem to not know of what I speak. With all respect.
I'm sorry I suppose I didnt realize I was speaking to someone who is so easily insulted. But the fact remains that at 2 yrs old and obviously the baby, your room should be open territory. However when they are older you may enjoy a little respite now and again in your own space.
Maybe not, maybe you will never need a "sanctuary", however its a little presumptious of you at this point, to be so hard on a woman with 8 children ages 4 and 8 when you have 2 who are so young you can't imagine needing a space away from them yet.
I was going to say something re: the Pastor who is currently getting reamed out behind his back by people who emailed him, but really have no words. To pretend you are a Christian and would go to his church, then admit you are not and lambast a guy who is attempting to satiate irate Gosselin haters is so far beyond anything I thought people would actually do. Its more than offensive to me... its morally and ethically wrong.
That Pastor is like the EmTanner of Christian Churches: he told her to stop emailing him. And she posted the response! What does she want him to say? "Thanks for harrassing me! I think I'll just take your advice, strange Stranger, and cancel this exciting event at our Church, because you said so!"
I haven't read over there lately so I didn't know anything about them harrassing another Pastor. To me, what they are doing is worse than anything Jon or Kate has done.
As I was driving home tonight from work thinking about this blog, I realized how disgusted I am with all of the people who think they are so much better than everyone else just because they have different parenting skills. How friggen self righteous can you be to think that your way of doing things is so much better than someone elses!
And FYI, just because you have an opinion on something doesn't make your opinion fact. Quit trying to spin this situation into something bad because it's not.
Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP. And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!! Why is that okay?
It's out of control over there. There is a poster over there who lied about wanting to join his church but won't because he supports "child exploitation." she's admitted she's not even christian, much less Methodist. She says she lied about moving to the area. She is bragging about lying to him. In what moral code is this acceptable? No shame at all. No one correcting her. Is that nuts?
Good Lord, Mrs. Ref! Who here is trying to mess with someone's livelihood? Who is lying about anyone over there? Has this blog encouraged people to harrass a man because they disagree with his decision to host the Gosselins. They posted his working email address and you equate that with what exactly over here?
Has a poster here wished ill on anyone over there? What exactly was said here that compares with the wishful thinking that the Gosselin kids will grow up and disown their parents? Be more discerning.
By the way...it's 350 quality posts, Mrs. Ref. That's worth 9,000 of those hate-filled jealous ugly rants that pass for English at that hateful site.
MrsRef, did any poster here lie to a Pastor they were harrassing? Or say that they hope one of the kids gets hurt at the new house? Did I miss a poster who stated they hope the kids hate Jon and Kate when they grow up?
Not sure how you see us as being the same... GDNNOP has always been clear that the goal is to have a balanced discussion about ALL the controversy about Jon and Kate plus 8. GWoP is clearly a HUGE source of controvery. So....uhh.... well... what was it you were wondering? Am I missing something here? Bueller?
MrsRef said...Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP.
That's your opionion, which you are, of course, entitled to. I happen to disagree. I would cite all the ways we differ, but that would just up the anti-GWOP quotient you have already expressed displeasure with.
And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!! Why is that okay?
Yeah, that's a lot of posts. What's your point?
Why is is NOT okay to make fun of GWOP? I don't understand. They can certainly dish it --anonymously and frequently directed at CHILDREN, but you think they can't take it?
Too bad for them.
BTW, I am happy to discuss Monday's episode with you. Wasn't Joel adorable when he first came in the house? Didn't you feel for Kate having to clean that nasty fridge? How cute was Leah insisting on dragging the box and Aaden saying "I thought we were buddies."
I went to the princess boards and read about the pastor. I'm glad he stood up to them, but I am getting concerned for him as well. Now they are talking about contacting the other pastors at his church about him? Leave the poor man alone!
You know, when you see this kind of behavior, it makes you wonder what else has been done to the Gosselins that we know nothing about.
For the record, I never said anything about NOT yelling at my kids, including the premature, if any of those who want to jump all over my posts had read the first one, it CLEARLY states about the master bedroom yelling rant, and about this was part of my original post:
I can honestly say that I do NOT get how Kate can treat her children this way. To ban children from her bedroom, to ignore a child who needs help being wiped,
and: As a mom OF a preemie, I would NEVER do that to my kids !
that would be in reference to selling my kids childhood to the highest bidder to put on t.v.
As for sanctuary, of course I need one right now, for me my blasted guitar hero is the only thing that keeps me sane half the time, my point was that I grew up in a home where, yes I needed to knock on my mom's door to come in, and I was always allowed there when I was sick or had nightmares, why should I not want the same for my own kids ? Believe me,my 2 year old is a bed HOG, and it's rare that she sleeps in our bed, if EVER, I just think it's sad that these kids won't be able to have the same.
OH, and I don't treat my kids differently, but think what you want, I'm kinda over posting here, it was only my first time posting today, and I dont' think I'll be comign back here, I'll stick to my BOMO, it really IS balanced over there.
I am going to post really quickly and then go watch Lost :)
My thought/rant for the day is....
Many people poke fun of the kids and /or Jon and Kate. It's mean, especially to the children. Several people, including myself have posted comments (on this and other boards) about how that it's mean and very detrimental to the kids. (My mantra, always build up the parents, and nurture the relationship between kids and parents).
Well, usually posts come back (not necessarily from this board)saying "Jon and Kate bring it on themselves. If they don't want us to make fun of the kids, they shouldn't be on TV". or "they make fun of Joel, why can't we?"
PEOPLE, just because J & K are on TV or do something you don't like doesn't give you the right to do the same thing!
"We do it because they do it" Who's calling who a sheeple now?
The emails to the Pastor are off the hook crazy. He said in one of the responses that they have done research, which probably means they have read GWOP and read the insanity. Perhaps I will email him a note of support.
I think its time Jon and Kate got their legal team involved with the things GWOP says about them.
I happen to have a fascination with the rabid irrational hate and all that springs from it.
Anya said.. ...BTW, I am happy to discuss Monday's episode with you. Wasn't Joel adorable when he first came in the house? Didn't you feel for Kate having to clean that nasty fridge? How cute was Leah insisting on dragging the box and Aaden saying "I thought we were buddies."... \
Oh, me too. I keep remembering how cute all the kids were running up the steps and Kate didn't wince at the screaming. She was trying to take a pic of the moment. I could totally identify with her on the fridge as I am the same way. I don't complain as much about it though, because I'm not Kate. I'm much more icked out by the mouse poop than she was. That's what I would complain about as I'm getting the willies right now thinking about it.
It's nice to see good fortune happen and for people to succeed.
I read the Princess board about the Pastor and his harrassment from GWOP and I kind of feel sorry for him. I think he will be pressing spam all night long. Poor guy!!
JerseyGirl I agree. They need to get their legal team and start going for libel on people. I feel for that pastor. No church or pastor should be subjected to that.
I was wrong, when I FIRST started to become aware the J&K were not what they seemed, was when the whole Aunt Jodi/Julie debacle exploded, that's when I began to question things,
Oh, that explains SO MUCH, Heather. Julie Famewhore brainwashing and the GWoPper worship of her.
Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP. And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!! Why is that okay?
Because they bring it on themselves? They throw the salvos and then act put out when someone actually questions them on it? Don't dish it out if you can't take it, and if you put it out there to be read by the masses, you're going to get some feedback, and not all of it from obsessed, lonely, bitterly brainwashed mental patients full of hatred, who agree with you and think your particular brand of cruel "snark" is "cool."
if any of those who want to jump all over my posts had read the first one, it CLEARLY states about the
Heather, you jumped all over me because I asked for clarification. I still don't know why you keep mentioning your "preemie" or why you yelled at me for not mothering one. And what about your telling me I can't post because I didn't have a preemie? I honestly disagree with your position that I can't ask a question because I am not the mother of a preemie.
I think you just wanted to yell at me and you jumped the gun.
Clearly you didn't make it clear or people would not have asked.
To NoMoreCowbell: I am neither bitter, lonely, brainwashed, full of hatred or anything else you just said. I hadn't posted in GWOP for months until yesterday when I posted exactly once. The first post under this topic is how there will be 400 posts at GWOP. The last time I posted here yesterday or the day before, I was told to examine myself because I responded asking a question about haters. Very friendly unbiased bunch here. Obviously you have a problem with me pointing out that there are a majority of posts under this thread that are nasty and snarky to GWOP. You know, not everyone who posts there hates the Gosselins. You seem to be the one that flipped because I questioned that. Who can't take it????? Please explain MY particular brand of snark. Anything I have posted here is simply my opinion and you do know what they say about opinions, right?
Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP. And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!!
What kind of response do you expect? That kind of post doesnt really invite friendliness.
No, Mrs. Ref, The majority of posts here are about the new house show and related discussions, not GWOP.
GWOP comes up because they also discuss the show, the Gosselins, and the Gosselins speaking schedules. I would like to correct their comments right there at GWOP but they won't put my posts through. A lot of us have had that experience. So when we feel like something should be corrected or challenged where can we do it? Right here at "the lonely little blog." As I understand it, one of the reasons the Nina started this blog was because posters with a different viewpoint had no where to post their comments. It is fitting then, that when something outrageous is happening at GWOP, or another wildly inaccurate rumor is exhalted to "fact" status, someone here will respond to it.
That does NOT equate this blog with that one. That makes it distinctly different.
You just don't read the opposing viewpoints there. For instance, a critical post like yours, would not be let through.
In addition, there is something really different when there is an attempt to send harrassing emails, lying emails to someone at his place of employment, and to email his superiors about how rude he is when the response isn't what they want. Surely you see my point?
It's the house. It has whipped all those creeples into a frenzy. If they are also throwing the kids to the wolves in posts over there I truly believe they are despicable. These are little kids, for God's sake!
I'm shocked to tune in here and find all of this posting. Can't read it all, but I can't help but think that the episode showing Kate in that house that so many of those folks have been so angry about has fostered the massive posting here. Rock on, ladies. I think the Gosselins are going to enjoy their new home regardless. And there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. As for someone who mentioned that TLC should pull the plug on the show for whatever bonehead reason she believes, I can assure her that they are loving all of this controversy. They will "pull the plug" when it no longer makes money for them and so far, that's not happening. The negative internet yammering seems to have created an even bigger interest in this show. Numbers are numbers, whether people are sitting in their chair seething or sitting in their chair enjoying. They are still watching!
And one last little thing. This CPS business is a disgrace. I worked in an agency where I had direct interaction with DCF. The horrible things I saw and learned about are not something I would list anywhere, but trust me, the Gosselin kids are not a CPS issue. That is irresponsible to say/write or act on.
Man, this mob mentality of people completely blows my mind! Take this energy and do something else with it. We are in the middle of a massive crisis in our country not to mention the world, but people-women and mom's-are pouring precious time and energy into hating this couple and are including innocent children in their rampage by calling them names and making assumptions about their behavior and future from an edited 30 minute episode. Admit what your real issue is about the Gosselins and stop hiding behind pseudo psychological and sociological babble.
Sorry Saint. I only meant to answer your question about what it could be that is causing this crush of back and forth commenting, but some of this stuff is so out of line and beyond reason.
I suppose morecowbell can speak for herself. I may be wrong, but when I read her response I didn't think she meant "you" as "Mrs. Ref" but as "GWOP." It was a general "you" as in " don't dish it out if you can't take it."
Also, I agree with Samantha that your tone certainly didn't invite friendliness. I think you should hold yourself to the standard you set for others here. It's insulting to be equated with GWOP. If you (Mrs. Ref) are going to be insulting, expect some of us to be offended.
I did not expect to be called mindless, bitter, mentally ill or any of the names that no more cowbell spewed. Seriously how is this any better than the other blog? Yesterday I was called a hater and jealous because I dared to question the use of those words. I did junior high 30-some years ago, I don't need a repeat. I guess the blogging world is not for me.
I agree, Mary. It's the house. There was Kate being Kate, and Jon being Jon, and the kids being the kids, and the house. Nothing else happened that was that unusual, just the show we usually see.
I didn't expect to be equated with GWOP, so I know how you feel.
And I really don't believe that MCB was calling you, Mrs. Ref, those names. I think she was characterizing GWOP that way. It can be read either way, and I honestly read it as a characterization of GWOP in defense of this blog, which does not deserve those descriptions.
Have you read GWOP recently? Because the stuff about the pastor is nuts. Really nuts.
Saint, I was the one who wrote the post she was responding to. It certainly seemed to me like she was responding to me. I did not see the posts about the pastor but did everyone who ever posts there write to the pastor. I have better things to do with my time than write to sponsors of tv shows or pastors of churches or even Paul Peterson. I probably spend too much time reading blogs.
I can't stand mouse poop either. That's why I have a cat.
I don't have mice, but I have a cat who has brought them IN. Uh, thanks.
I may be wrong, but when I read her response I didn't think she meant "you" as "Mrs. Ref" but as "GWOP." It was a general "you" as in " don't dish it out if you can't take it."
Some people always assume that you are talking about them. Or disingenuously pretend that they do so they can complain about how you're being mean to them.
For the record, I don't think there is anything that wrong with people here "making fun" of the people at GWoP. Nor do I think it's that big a deal if people at GWoP make fun of "sheeple". Or even if people at GWoP make fun of J&K. I may roll my eyes at the endless posts about Kate's hair, but they don't make me angry.
What crosses the line:
1) The many vicious comments that haters (at GWoP and elsewhere) have made about the Gosselin children. I find those disgusting.
2) The stalking, harrassment, lying about, trying to interfere with the lives of and slandering of J&K.
3) The stalking, harrassing and slandering of various people who are tangentially related to J&K - whether church pastors harangued via email or cameramen accused of pedophilia.
If you can't see the difference between the unhinged behavior of the haters and the posts here, then I don't know what to tell you.
Mrs. Ref, When MCB wrote, "and if you put it out there to be read by the masses, you're going to get some feedback, and not all of it from obsessed, lonely, bitterly brainwashed mental patients full of hatred, who agree with you..." I think she meant that if GWOP puts criticism out there, they will get some feedback from others (that's us) and not all the feedback will be from the GWOP posters who are obsessed, lonely, brainwashed mental patients full of hatred who agree with everything written at GWOP.
I don't think she was calling you those names. I think she was characterizing what she reads at GWOP, and frankly, with this last episode, she's not far off.
She was responding to your characterization of this blog as just as bad as GWOP. I see that some of us are ragging on GWOP tonight, but Mrs. Ref, look at GWOP. It's really bad there today (and yesterday.) Some one has declared that Jon hit Joel. It didn't happen. They are emailing a pastor because Kate is speaking at his church, including lying to him. Now they are emailing his superiors because he didn't cave to their demands.
That blog is really destructive. I don't think it's wrong to point it out when these things happen.
I am sorry that you were hurt. I will add that you were hurtful as well. I didn't read last night so I am commenting on tonight's exchange. I wanted to defend the posters here from being compared to GWOP.
Mrs Ref, Everyone there doesn't have to email the pastor. I don't think 100 emails from those "ladies" will change his mind. They are harrassing him. That is wrong. They have published his email and encouraged others to email him. One has lied about wanting to join his church even though she hates organized religion. Now they have emailed his superiors. The mods haven't stopped these wicked posts from going through. No one has been able to criticize this effort. How would you feel if someone (just ONE) did that to you? How would you feel if you had your email published and an effort started to have your boss notified?
They are doing this to a private citizen, not Jon and Kate. It's awful when the try to ruin a TV family, but all this guy does is work at a church! Surely you can see how this is inexcusable?
Saint said... Mrs Ref, Everyone there doesn't have to email the pastor. I don't think 100 emails from those "ladies" will change his mind. They are harrassing him. That is wrong. They have published his email and encouraged others to email him. One has lied about wanting to join his church even though she hates organized religion. Now they have emailed his superiors. The mods haven't stopped these wicked posts from going through. No one has been able to criticize this effort. How would you feel if someone (just ONE) did that to you? How would you feel if you had your email published and an effort started to have your boss notified?
I'm all for peaceful protest and legitimate writing campaigns. There's nothing legitimate about harassment of a pastor driven by irrational hatred of a mom. St., while their intent is horrible and they are malicious, I would hope the pastor isn't phased, just shakes his head and starts hitting the delete button.
I'd like to point out that petition to take this show closed Dec 31 with 711 sigs. Yes, they are mighty.
I wish the haters would stop hiding behind the kids and just admit they hate Kate and want to see her taken down at any cost. They don't care about those kids, it just sounds good to say so. All the things they wish on Kate-divorce, bankruptcy, mental institution, CPS charges,etc- would be horrible for the kids. Now they are talking about having "bad feelings" about the new house. They think one of the kids might drown in the pool, or fall over the stair railings, or wander away. They are always talking about the bad things that might befall the family because they want something bad to happen. Anything, as long as it hurts Kate.
And,yes, I realize there are normal, sane people who question whether the show is a good idea. I'm not talking about them. The people making fun of the kids and predicting dire futures for them are not child advocates.
I did not expect to be called mindless, bitter, mentally ill or any of the names that no more cowbell spewed. Seriously how is this any better than the other blog? Yesterday I was called a hater and jealous because I dared to question the use of those words. I did junior high 30-some years ago, I don't need a repeat. I guess the blogging world is not for me.
January 28, 2009 7:26 PM
Now you know how Kate probably feels! The posters at GWOP have said those things about Kate and some of the kids. It's disgusting!
I just got done reading some comments here about those freaks harrassing some pastor? That's crazy!
Can't that blog be flagged, reported, taken down? All they advocate on there is hatred, doing harm to others, slander, posting personal info, and the list goes on. I'm sure ALL of that is against blogger's (the sites) rules somewhere.
They have just gone totally crazy with all of this.
I really think someone needs to also inform the Gosselins of this craziness so that they can possibly persue taking legal action against these people and/or the site.
It's one thing to debate the issues at hand but that's not what they are doing. They've gone so far beyond that that they need to be shut down.
For the life of me I can't understand why you Mrs. Ref don't see the difference between critiquing posts from anonymous posters at a blog and verbally abusing real life people.
Because how ever mis-guided they may be, the people behind those annymous names are real people too. Have you ever given a moment's thought to that. And why is it okay for people here to go over there, read and report back on every single little thing. How does that make this blog superior to GWOP? Someone please just answer my question. Thank you.
I did not intend to be hurtful. I still do not see the difference in the conversation here and the conversation there. Yes, apparently their's has escalated into loonacy but I still feel that making fun is making fun. NMCB's answer was in direct response to what I said. You know, I am a real life person too with feelings, just like you claim Jon & kate are. And no, I did not "disingenuously" pretend the comment was about me so I can play the victim. I have a name,(Rhonda) a family (3 grown children and a grandbaby on the way) and a life just like all of you. I apologize for expressing and opinion.
"Because how ever mis-guided they may be, the people behind those annymous names are real people too. Have you ever given a moment's thought to that."
Shouldn't you be over there asking this of them about the Gosselins? I mean, why is it ok for the posters over there to trash talk the Gosselins and people here but as soon as someone from here responds back, suddenly everyone should be concerned about feelings. Take your own advice then too.
MrsRef said....
"And why is it okay for people here to go over there, read and report back on every single little thing. How does that make this blog superior to GWOP? Someone please just answer my question. Thank you."
It doesn't make it supperior. But the difference is, at least when people here report what's going on over there they report it accurately. We don't come back and twist and turn their comments into falsities. Which is what EVERYONE there does with the Gosselins.
Just a thought. I and my fellow posters and mods on this board are verbally attacked on a daily basis all over blog land. There are blogs also dedicated to bashing us. Since GWoP doesn't allow these people to have a board on board discussion there they go elsewhere or create their own board.
Fair enough. Doesn't bother me. I can guarantee you that I get a good laugh from it. We are not "real" people. We have fake names and no one knows where we live. Where we work. Who we are professionally. Our private lives are private.
That goes for the GWoP posters also.
We also are not calling their family members, their churches or their employers. We are not protesting how they make a living, no do we care. We are not publishing pictures of their home with the address on the internet or taking video as we drive by.
I have never once posted on a local news board asking for people to write in and give me information about this family. This list could go on for several more paragraphs but I think you truly know what is going on over there.
Again, this blog was started to discuss the show and the issues surrounding the show. What is going on at GWoP appears to be the biggest issue at hand right now.
I do not feel this blog is superior. Just different. And it is that kind of different that I want to participate in. It is where I want to be.
I apologize if someone here hurt your feelings. It wasn't the first time and I can not guarantee it will be the last. This is a heated topic at times.
I finally see the light. I am not one of the popular girls so I can't play. Taking my ball and going home now...
No sure what you really mean by this. Your posts get put through. You have a different opinion than most of the people that come here. Would you like me to attempt to force people to agree with you?
I will tell you who a real person is. The pastor of that church. He didn't deserve that. Those are real people. He isn't hiding behind a blog or a screen name. Just doing his job. Living his life.
I wouldn't worry about it Nina. The problem with people from there is that they think if you question some, or all, of the things the Gosselins do that you have to do it in a vile, hateful manner.
It's not enough for them that some of us disagree with the way Kate yelled at the kids about the bedroom, or the way she orders Jon around at times. No. Instead they want us to go on and on and on about what a horrible abusive person she is because of it. And, fortunately, most of us here don't feel that way.
We can sit here and disagree about certain aspects of the show and family in a civil manner. And I think that that just kills them over there.
To them, you have to either love them or hate them. There can't be no middle ground. But, that's just not reality or the way most of us here feel.
After hearing about the new house, the eager Gosselin kids get to see what their soon-to-be new home looks like before moving day, but will they share the same enthusiasm for the new house as Jon and Kate?
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Jen K. said
My first comment here in this thread was saying how I came here for a balanced view of things. My opinion on that has slightly changed because some people are ratcheting this up to levels which are unnecessary.
I think as another poster already mentioned that is due in part to your timing, Jen. Like it or not, there are many of us here (me included) who have been disrespected and lied about by those on other sites. It is unfortunate and wrong, but that is how things go. Because of that, when new posters come in and talk about how they want to be balanced we tend to instantly wonder if that is truly the case. I apologize if that response was unfair to you- it is honestly just a way to try and keep a conversation going without having personal attacks and hatred spewed (spewn? speweded? whatever the word would be :)!) all over.
Part of the problem is that the internet offers a lot of anonymity (we have some other posts regarding that on here now, too) so there is no way for us to really verify if you are the Jen K. on GWoP (unless you say that you are) etc. Without a google ID or OpenID its a crap shoot whether someone is who they say they are, or a doppelganger (which is a phenomenal word, by the way).
Okay, finally I'm done reading. Wow, so busy today. After I went through some of the GWOP and Yawn, jumped a leap I got to some great posting. I think Kate could have done a better job in telling the children about not being allowed in there bedroom but I lived with this rule and Parents Room Off Limits. I think every parent needs to have some form of Sanctuary in there own house where the children can't go. The house is big but I wouldn't call it a mansion. I think I would freak out if I found mold in my fridge too but instead I would have gotten someone else to clean it or better yet use the exploited children's money and buy a new one.. :) Sorry I had to say that!!!!
Actually Miranda go farther back and you will realize I only started talking at GWOP a week ago. And sadly I can't take credit for KONPOUND. I didn't come up with it. Or mansion for that matter.
Fine, but what I was saying that you have been commenting here and flooding the board and then going to GWOP and doing the same thing.
I was also saying that whilst everyone else was talking about the pool, Kate's hair and poop at GWOP..you were talking about the Konpound and the mansion and like and then coming over here and saying the same thing.
I don't care for Kate's personality at all. Blech, I do not care for them as a couple.
I like them as a couple, generally. I like Jon a lot better. Kate is too whiney/bossy. But after I read the book, I have a new found respect for her. Aspects of her personality that I don't care for served her very well in taking care of /advocating for her little preemies.
By the way, the term "KONPound" is offensive. This is a family of human beings, not dogs. Please stop using it, new people. It's a variation on mocking the children.
Jerseygirl, You wrote:
Did you ever see the response from the woman who creates the tshirts the kids wear to one of their letters? It was seriously the funniest response ever and it had GWOP in a frenzy. Ive been meaning to order from her ever since. I will have to order some cute for Valentines Day.
Wasn't that hilarious? "I admire your rigidity." And the Gwopper actually shared it with everyone!
Thanks for reminding me...
Saint said:
By the way, the term "KONPound" is offensive. This is a family of human beings, not dogs. Please stop using it, new people. It's a variation on mocking the children.
I'm going to assume you were refering to me since I was the one who mentioned KONpound.
I know that is a way of mocking the family and I wasn't using it because I refered to their home as such.
I was using it reference to another poster who has used it on GWOP (which uses this term freely).
Hope that helps.
By the way, the term "KONPound" is offensive. This is a family of human beings, not dogs. Please stop using it, new people. It's a variation on mocking the children.
I think it's derived from the word "compound" as in like an estate.
No Miranda, not you...
Because of that, when new posters come in and talk about how they want to be balanced we tend to instantly wonder if that is truly the case.
I can attest to this. I can't tell you how many disingenuous posts we've had to reject where the posters oh so innocently enquire as to why we're talking about other sites and gee, it would be nice if we could not do that.
No Miranda, not you...
Okay, good.. =)
To get on topic (since I haven't been since I started posting..whoops!) I think my favorite thing from last night's episode was Leah and Aaden fighting over the box.
I disagree with people who say they are losing their "cute". I think they are coming into their own personalities now and can voice them.
Alexis never fails to crack me up.
I think phrases like "konpound" are just immature and stupid, and seem intended to be inflammatory.
Miranda, I don't think you repeating it was the problem.
Marci, love love love your avatar.
Saint, I too noticed the sweet moment with Mady and her sisters.
It's so interesting to me that people who will freeze frame scenes to try and prove something negative against Kate will never ever comment on any of the sweetness and affection we witness among the Gosselin children.
You know, Miranda, Alexis cracks me up, too. She has a smile that will brighten the whole room. She's so spunky, too!
I thought Collin was really cute, too, when he saw that Aaden was also using the bathroom and he yelled about someone else going to the bathroom. He had to run to his Mom to keep her updated on the situation. He just looked like a little "big" man, monitoring things and keeping his mother informed!
I think this has been by far the most interesting thread I have read in a long time. Great job mods!
Jen K,
I can see why you think the letter writing might be helping getting sponsors to back out. Perhaps Juicy Juice is evidence of this happening in one instance, but I'm going to take the same reasoning you gave and infer that may not be what happened. There's no way to know for sure.
That's just a matter of opinion, so that's fine.
You've only used the term "exploitation" here, so I don't know if you have concerns about kids on reality tv that I don't think are as extreme as thinking the parents are happily using their children so they don't have to work. In other words, are you concerned about getting laws passed to regulate hours worked, money put aside for the children, etc.?
That is an idea which I think is fine, and any reasonable (snark-free) efforts to make that happen wouldn't make me blink an eye.
I just honestly don't see how people who have true concern about the Gosselin children can have that concern end there. Where is the concern for the Roloff kids, the Duggar kids or the girls on "Toddlers & Tiaras"?
I also don't see how aligning that concern with the "extreme posters" at GWOP is doing ANY child a bit of good. It's impossible to tell a "real" child advocate from someone using that title to excuse their verbal attacks on the Gosselins on that site.
If advocacy was my goal, I'd want my voice to not have to fight to stand out against the tide of sockpuppeting snark or above a bitter-housewife campaign to cancel a show.
Maybe you've come to that conclusion yourself....I can't really tell.
That is an idea which I think is fine, and any reasonable (snark-free) efforts to make that happen wouldn't make me blink an eye.
I just honestly don't see how people who have true concern about the Gosselin children can have that concern end there. Where is the concern for the Roloff kids, the Duggar kids or the girls on "Toddlers & Tiaras"?
I agree. I also just have to wonder about the sincerity of people who complain about exploitation but continue to watch the show. I strongly disapprove of child porn, snuff films and staged dog fights. You would not catch me watching any of these things for entertainment.
Guin,
I concur.
Liz & Anya,
Thanks. :) I always get a kick out of seeing what everyone picks for their avatars on any given day.
And now, back to the show....
Miranda, Anya, scarfoot,
Alexis and Collin are outrageously funny. Of course, they're two of the more stubborn tups, but even when they're bad, they're good.
Leah and Aaden were great dragging the box to the front door.
I was actually kind of glad to see Kate just let the kids run around the new house. I'd have been imagining everything 4 year olds could get into in a house I wasn't familiar with yet to have done that when mine was that age.
Any bets on how long it will take the kids to try sliding down the banister?
Long time reader, new poster here:
I like this show, but do see that some of the epis are getting a bit "stale", that's the best word I can come up with.
I do enjoy aspects of their dynamics and don't enjoy aspects of it.
I do want to say that its nice to see a place where a person can come and truly express what they think about the show: good, bad and ugly.
I had to visit the "other" site to see what all the hubbub is.
I found myself LOL'ing so many times, it was so ridiculous. They call people who still enjoy the show "sheeple"? They seem to be the sheeple. There were something like 590 posts when I popped in and not one of them was original!!
They all said exactly the same thing, it was unreal and a bit scary to see such a lack of originality.
I'm beginning to wonder if the whole thing is a hoax or just a small group of people who want to see how far they can take this Gosselin hate charade.
Exactly, Guin.
Saying the Gosselins are exploiting their kids and continuing to watch and participate in a snark board about the show just wreaks of hypocracy to me.
Same with,
"I don't hate the parents, but I think the kids are cute, but I feel so bad that they're exploited, but I only watch to write down sponsors so I can write letters so they'll take the show I don't watch anymore off the air."
Guin,
I was *concurring* on your "KONpound" comment upthread.
Annie,
Glad you found GDNNOP!
They are a redundant bunch over "there", aren't they?
Marci said:
Any bets on how long it will take the kids to try sliding down the banister?
And wouldn't that be fun to watch..as long as they are careful.
And would the haters go crazy over that.
I bet Alexis or Collin will be the first ones to go down it.
Jenn K said,
"Do I agree with everything over at GWOP? No...but I do appreciate their concern, however misguided and extreme SOME of the people are. I also think that SOME of the people at GWOP have it spot on."
I respect your right to feel however you wish about the exploitation issue but this is where you lose me. The GWOP owners have been incredibly irresponsible with what they allow to be posted about the children not to mention all the support of the "insiders." Child advocacy? Not so much. It sure seems that they care a lot less about the children than scoring points against Kate.
I can't find anything morally defensible about that place.
On another note, I am apparently blog challenged about bolding quotes. Anyone? Thanks.
"Do I agree with everything over at GWOP? No...but I do appreciate their concern, however misguided and extreme SOME of the people are. I also think that SOME of the people at GWOP have it spot on."
I respect your right to feel however you wish about the exploitation issue but this is where you lose me. The GWOP owners have been incredibly irresponsible with what they allow to be posted about the children not to mention all the support of the "insiders." Child advocacy? Not so much. It sure seems that they care a lot less about the children than scoring points against Kate.
I can't find anything morally defensible about that place.
On another note, I am apparently blog challenged about bolding quotes. Anyone? Thanks.
As I said I agree with *some* of the posters there, not so much the blog as a whole or the owners. I think it's impossible to agree or disagree with an entire site. :)
Not everyone there has the same opinion or level of zeal, just as not everyone here does either.
About bolding...you can just copy and paste what you want bolded, then in the comment box do the tags that they list under the box (where it says, "you can use some HTML tags such as...". Put the bracketed "b" before the quote and do a /b in brackets at the end. Hope that helps!
Saint said.
I like them as a couple, generally. I like Jon a lot better. Kate is too whiney/bossy. But after I read the book, I have a new found respect for her. Aspects of her personality that I don't care for served her very well in taking care of /advocating for her little preemies.
It's unnecessary to rip J&K (and sometimes the kids) to shreds with their words. There's no allowance for personal differences and imo would like little J&K puppets to play with to make them do exactly what that they want. (Again, Guin, I really liked that proproganda post). Kate should be allowed be allowed to succeed and parent within the law. I think she tries her best to be a good mom and loves her kids to pieces. Being a mother is hard enough and on a certain level the crazy hatred against Kate attacks all women with the focus being on mothers. Ignorant hatred is a frightening thing.
I also noticed Mady holding her sisters in the bedroom. I also thought it was Mady who after the kicking Alexis was holding her hand out to her to help her up the steps when they back up to play. I'm having more trouble telling them all apart as they get older. I thought it would be the opposite. Cara and Mady have very different features, but some of the shots are so quick with the hair flying that I'm not always sure anymore, same with Lexus and Leah. I can usually spot Hannah because she's so tiny.
Looks like they filmed the kids all in one day on this one.
Jen K,
Based on your posts, I believe that you wrote an intelligent and insightful letter to Juicy Juice. I think that it is commendable that you take the time to write when you see an issue.
Having perused the GWOP site over the past few months, it is my opinion that you are one of few that is acting in an appropriate way. As a marketing manager with a leading food manufacturer I do continual analytical work on markets, brands, and individual products. While consumer input is VITAL, a concise and justified letter is what has the most merit.
Whether or not the Gosselins exploit their children is a matter of opinion. Therefore, it makes determining if letter writing campaigns are working difficult. There are more than two reasons a sponsorship may end. Extensive market research is done before a sponsor is selected and throughout the relationship. Also millions of people watch the show that are not even aware of these blogs; even if a hundred people from GWOP write, there could be another hundred that write something positive. Companies of this size are use to getting "hate mail" in regards to chosen sponsors, and it really does get filtered.
I think some of the regular posters at GWOP do speak out in the appropriate ways to attempt to put an end to the child exploitation that they believe is occurring. Yet the blog itself has become so hateful - it seems as if no member of the family is safe. So much energy goes into name calling, and the posts just become so redundant. Outlandish claims are made (oh no, Jon is in Utah without Kate, the marriage MUST be ending. An affair with a ski bunny is beginning). It also seems that the parents are damned if the do, damned if they don't with many of the posters on that site.
If a person really does believe the show is morally wrong, they should put the energy into finding balanced, legitimate information (which I just don't always feel is the case) and write letters to LEGISLATORS, the networks, and advertisers of the show. Yes I do know that a number of people do this, but more energy goes into belittling the family. They would also TURN THE TV OFF. I know I've read, "we watch so we can be informed" but honestly the best thing that can be done for their plight is to not watch the show. Watching the show allows you to see ONLY 22 minutes of their lives. It's a glimpse, and nothing more.
I also don't feel that if a main concern is the privacy of the children that they would display information on the family on the blog. Yes, it is public record, but I would think drawing less attention to the location of the home would be in the best interest of the children. Also, what if Mady or Cara were to Google their names? GWOP would come up. I can't imagine an 8 year old reading any posts or comments and thinking that those people value their best interests.
Complaining endlessly about Kate's haircut does nothing. It's almost as if GWOP has set itself back because everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.
I'm happy for the Gosselins. They are very blessed. I guess Jon and Kate are the best judges of what they "need", but I really wish they could change the phrasing to what they want. There other house was sufficient for the "needs" of a family their size. You see families in Gaza their size crammed into houses the size of the basement in their old house. I know I am guilty of confusing wants and needs, too. I just feel like it feeds the haters--although the haters have enough reasons stored up to feed off for years to come.
I loved the house. Kate needs to spend some more time in Florida. Mold and big bugs become a way of life :}.
You have all been busy today, haven't you?
I will get on my soapbox for a little bit, then get off :)
Even though I said I wasn't going to anymore, I hopped over to the other site for about 5 minutes. Holy c^%p, there are over 600 comments over there.
There were many nitpicks, but one that is bothering me is this.... "Blah, blah, blah, Hannah gets her own room now, She is the favorite, Jon and Kate said Alexis was going to get her own room, blah, blah, blah".
Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
I guess this one nitpick bothers me in particular because when I was growing up (I sound like my mother:)) my parents changed their minds all the time about things. Many times my sister got things that I didn't and vice versa. We moved when I was in the third grade. My mom promised we would never move again. Well, we did 3 more times. Did anyone speak up for us? No. There were a few times (and I still think this) that they were unfair and mean about things. Guess what. My parents didn't apologize and try to make up for it. My grandparents didn't step in. When you are a child, your parents are going to change their minds about things like bedrooms, rules, food, and there really is not that much a child can do about it. IMO, I turned out pretty well and the Gosselin kids will too.
I don't want this to be a pity party for me, but I'm just trying to point out it's their right as parents to have the sleeping arrangements the way they want, and change them as they need to. I'm sure, in the next 14 years, bedrooms will be changed many, many, times.
Okay, stepping down.
[b]Its A Good Thing said...
Never said the film crew did anything improper. Its the parents fault.[/b]
I'll admit upfront that I'm a "sheeple" and don't think J&K are exploiting or abusing their kids. I have a hard time understanding how people who believe the kids are being abused by-and-large ONLY blame Jon and Kate. Sure, they're the ones putting their kids on TV, but what about the whole production crew and company, TLC, and their mother company?
I've always doubted that any serious abuse is occurring, especially anything caught but not aired, because I have a hard time believing Figure 8 and TLC, which bank themselves on their family-friendly programming, would risk their reputation. Additionally, the people who spend the most time with the family or the film (Jen, the editors of the show) seem to have little problem with how the family conducts itself. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think all these people who've spent their careers making shows meant to advocate for kids and issue awareness (check out Figure 8's other programs) would stand idly by.
TRUTH: Jon and Kate ARE exploiting their children for their own personal gain.
TRUTH: Exploitation is wrong. Its wrong to sell your childrens privacy so you can go to the spa and on numerous vacations.
TRUTH: Jon and Kate Plus 8 NEEDS to be off the air.
No, actually, those statements are not TRUTH. They are OPINIONS, and opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one (as my father used to say). Check out the definition. Just because YOU have a particular opinion, doesn't make it true.
You seem to like the word, "truth," though (even though you use it selectively). Your name wouldn't happen to be Julie, would it?
In regards to asking one of the twins to wipe her brother's behind. Did you happen to watch any of the Duggar wedding shows this week? The eldest Duggar daughters (also known as buddies/babysitters/slaves/maids) left the compound to go to Florida to help plan their brother's wedding and make bridesmaid dresses (Wow. Nice vacation). What happened while they were gone? Jim-Boob and Michelle Duggar were forced to PARENT their own children without their four older daughter's help and THEY COULDN'T DO IT. The younger kids ran wild and the parents were frazzled. Their built in slaves were AWOL and they were up a creek without a paddle. I don't see Kate or Jon EVER doing this to their kids. Having an older kid wipe the younger kid's butt? Gross, but life is messy and sometimes you get stuck doing something you don't like.
Just wait until they have to do pooper scooper patrol for the puppies they'll get.
As far as "bedroomgate" goes. I don't see anything unusual about the "no kids in our bedroom" rule. We weren't allowed in my parents room, either. Big freaking deal.
Marci
Really busy day at work today so I just saw it. If we had a contest for best avatars you would win, hands down. Thanks for keeping this fun.
Oh, and about "Bedroom gate haha" we weren't allowed in my parents room without premission and we were fine with it. And also, I was yelled at quite a bit when growing up and I still talk to my mom.
The Gosselin kids will be okay. More than okay.
I feel riled up tonight. I'm a social worker in the foster care system. I've seen abuse, worse than some people can imagine. The Gosselin kids are NOT being abused.
I'm truly just so tired of this :(
What do ya'll think of severe punishment? (Kates words from her own mouth numerous times last night)
IMO NO child should be threatened with severe punishment.
ROTFLMAO! This is a response an "advocate" actually got after sending a complaint? And they SHOWED IT TO PEOPLE?
"We appreciate your concern, and admire your rigidity. Values are a very important, if not the most important aspect of our lives, and you seem to believe in yours very passionately. While an admirable trait- if a person thinks their values ought not only to run their lives, but everyone else's lives- this can cause a breech in integrity of those values. Not to say that we at Em Tanner Designs don't value certain things (like privacy, health, etc), but we believe that every person is capable of choosing their own values and making the best of them, while they have them. Thank you for your time, hope your holidays were enjoyable."
TRANSLATION: "Dear Nutjob,
Wow. You are nuttier than a fruitcake and need to step back from the computer and mingle with the three dimensional people.
While you are entitled to your opinion regarding the Gosselins, we feel that you have crossed the line from concerned fan to psycho, obsessed cyberstalker. Please find a hobby (which does not involve the use of sharp objects)....and a therapist.
Thank you. Happy holidays and have a nice day."
MoreCowbell--you are hilarious.
And I applaud you for reading between the lines in a way that those "advocates" couldn't.
Ha ha!
I'm happy for the Gosselins. They are very blessed. I guess Jon and Kate are the best judges of what they "need", but I really wish they could change the phrasing to what they want. There other house was sufficient for the "needs" of a family their size. You see families in Gaza their size crammed into houses the size of the basement in their old house. I know I am guilty of confusing wants and needs, too.
I agree with this. Need in this instance is very relative. I think Kate also said that they "deserve" it, didn't she? While I'm diverted by the thought that this statement probably made a few viewers actally fall down on the ground twitching and foaming at the mouth, I don't know that anyone "deserves" a house like that. Or maybe everyone does. I don't know. I think J&K are grateful for the blessings that have come their way, but I don't know that "deserve" or "need" are really the right words for the situation.
I think J&K are fairly materialistic - and I'm not going to judge them on that, because I like nice things too. They could be a lot worse; I haven't seen Kate wearing $800 shoes or Jon driving a Porsche. And in Kate's defense, I think she does "need" space, maybe more than some other mothers of 8 kids would. That's just her personality.
I loved the house. Kate needs to spend some more time in Florida. Mold and big bugs become a way of life :}.
Yikes. Mold and big bugs. I'm not sure what horrifies me more.
There were many nitpicks, but one that is bothering me is this.... "Blah, blah, blah, Hannah gets her own room now, She is the favorite, Jon and Kate said Alexis was going to get her own room, blah, blah, blah".
The funny thing is that when it was Alexis getting her own room, the theme was "How Alexis is Being Isolated by Kate", and now that it's changed, the haters haven't missed a beat. I'll give them credit there - they are quick on their feet when it comes to finding reasons to hate total strangers for decisions that have nothing to do with them and do not affect their lives in any way.
WhatchaThink? said...
What do ya'll think of severe punishment? (Kates words from her own mouth numerous times last night)
IMO NO child should be threatened with severe punishment.
Well, Whatcha, that would depend on what your version of severe punishment is. In my house a severe punishment is taking away my son's video game privileges.
In Kate's case, IMO, it meant a punishment that would "mean" something to whoever breaks the rule...no tv, loss of privleges, etc.
Why assume Kate's version of severe is anything YOU might think up?
Sigh...another child "advocate" in our midst.
Marci
I bet your can must be empty after today.
Guin said...
The funny thing is that when it was Alexis getting her own room, the theme was "How Alexis is Being Isolated by Kate", and now that it's changed, the haters haven't missed a beat. I'll give them credit there - they are quick on their feet when it comes to finding reasons to hate total strangers for decisions that have nothing to do with them and do not affect their lives in any way.
You're kidding, right? I'm getting whiplash from the speed of this switch in logic.
Alexis in her own room = alienation from siblings, lower family status and parental neglect
Hannah in her own room = being made central focus of siblings, higher family status and parental favoritism
I guess ANY opinion about the Gosselins makes sense as long as it's a negative one.
Marci
I bet your can must be empty after today.
Nina,
Nope. Bought stock in the company.
Nina,
Your avatar is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time! Thank you!
Nina,
Like the avatar!
I don't get why this has struck such a nerve. I've been reading over there a couple of times, but now there's about 300 more than last time. IMO some are repeaters. It's not like they didn't know they were moving into a new house. From what I've read so far the new house is ready to drip blood and every seconds of the children's life is pure torture at the hands of their evil parents.
As far as the propaganda tactics as disinformation and where it is repeated and becomes fact; More and more, the conspiracy theory of Kate's evil plan to have multiples and parlay them into fame and fortune is becoming accepted as general fact by a couple of hate boards.
I love SamanthaNC's quote on front!! That is hysterical and accurate!
WhatchaThink? said...
What do ya'll think of severe punishment? (Kates words from her own mouth numerous times last night)
IMO NO child should be threatened with severe punishment.
Can you my laughter over my typing??? Do any of these people have REAL children.
MCB said,
No, actually, those statements are not TRUTH. They are OPINIONS, and opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I like yours too, Marci!
Bridget said...
I like yours too, Marci!
Thanks! Want to borrow a can?
Bridget said...Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
Hallelujah! Exactly. Watching an edited 22 minute reality show does NOT give you a right to co-parent the Gosselin children. Jon & Kate could care less about that hate blog's opinion on anything.
Thank God for MoreCowbell. We need some laughs today folks. I am waiting a bit before I head over to the Princess boards. Oh, I know it will be good!
Florida Mom, I do agree with you about the "want" vs. "need." I WISH we had more time to discuss that today instead of having to bat away crazies who insist Jon is holed up in a condo in Utah and the Gosselins are putting on some underage "Girls Gone Wild." Maybe tomorrow?
Nice to see some different names out there - Carrie, Annie, others, great posts.
Nina Bell, your avatar rocks!
Anya
P.S. Jace, I may have missed it, but I don't think anyone stepped to help you with your bolding question. It might easier if you email a mod. To illustrate it on blogger is kind of hard, but somebody can easily show you in an email.
I love Jon and Kate Plus 8. The people that post against them are just jealous. You can bet your bottom dollar if I could find some way to have a TV show in my house and make that much money, I would sure jump on it. Those idiots that post against them are just stupid enough to say they wouldn't and think we might believe them. That new house is awesome, but I noticed that they never showed the front of it, which is pretty swift, I am sure they are at a popularity point that they have to worry about safety issues. The #1 thing to remember is like ANYA said, the show is entertainment and that is why we watch it. I love those little kids. My daughter called me last night from college to remind me to watch the new show about the new house. My whole family loves them. If it is really true that Jon and Kate read the blogs written about them, I hope they realize that people are just jealous of them. The Gosselins simply took advantage of something and ran with it. Their children seem oblivious to what is going on.
Bridget said...Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
I meant to bring up Bridget's post but Anya beat me to it.
Great points, Bridget!
Merryway said,
"Can you my laughter over my typing??? Do any of these people have REAL children."
RFLMAO!!!! Anyway who has said that they have never threatened their child with severe punishment (or some wording of it) is either lying or their children are blow up dolls.
Marci, yes, throw a can over! I was so discouraged half an hour ago, but trust you gals to cheer me up again!
I love all the new avatars. I like seeing what people pick, it's fun.
"Punishment of severity" is a weird way to describe a consequence. None of them asked, I guess they know what it means. Scary sounding! I'd stay out.
Morecowbell-
Too funny!
Bridget said...
Marci, yes, throw a can over!
Coming right up!
Consumer tip: Troll Spray also useful for removing troublesome pet stains.
I was also chuckling when Kate was talking about "severe punishment" but thinking "oh my god Kate what are you doing," those haters are going to have a field day with that, but she chooses to show us all sides of raising those kids.
RFLMAO!!!! Anyway who has said that they have never threatened their child with severe punishment (or some wording of it) is either lying or their children are blow up dolls.
Lol..you forgot non exploited blow up dolls!!
Why assume Kate's version of severe is anything YOU might think up?
No Marci, I think the correct statement is, "Why assume Kate's version of 'severe' is anything GWoPpers might MAKE up."
Because really, we know that's what's going to happen, here. Kate's innocuous statement has cracked open the door. Get ready for the outrage, accusations and declarations that Kate is abusing her kids and round 18599 of "Let's call CPS on her," using the old standard, "repeat it often enough and it becomes true" methods of "selective advocacy."
I loved the house. Kate needs to spend some more time in Florida. Mold and big bugs become a way of life :}.
Yikes. Mold and big bugs. I'm not sure what horrifies me more.
Hurricanes and tropical storms? A couple years ago, I asked my cousin why he moved to Florida (as he was evacuating for the fourth time that year because of hurricane warnings). His answer, "So I can play golf on Valentine's Day."
Uhhhh. Okay. I guess I'm just not that fond of golf.
For those of us that missed it, Toddlers & Tiaras is on now.
Had Kate said something like "If any of you come into our room, I'll beat you with a plastic alligator and lock you in our new fancy barn," I'd be worried. "Severe punishment"...please.
Actually, I might have missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has suggested that the Gosselins are planning to lock the brood up in the stables. Each kid can have his or her very own stall!
Thanks to all who brought a smile-- I appreciate it after so many posts and craziness today!! I'm all for balanced discussion and new posters speaking their minds, but today has been BUSY!
Princess boards are having a great time-- noticed a new poster there who had some great things to say, too :)....
I just saw a promo for the next episode and Kate makes a comment about how they have so many memories at the old house and are excited for the new one. There were some great clips too-- Jon and Kate sitting together outside and laughing with each other while they watched the kids, Joel riding his bike, etc... its neat to see those memories that are at times lost in the midst of 'advocacy' etc.
Actually, I might have missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has suggested that the Gosselins are planning to lock the brood up in the stables. Each kid can have his or her very own stall!
It wasn't mentioned on here but it's been mentioned on the other sight.
They said that they will have to live in there and can only enter the main house upon giving Jon and Kate 24 hours notice.
{Start Sarcasm} That's why they bought a house with a barn, don't you know? Jon and Kate now have their Barbie Dream House and are done with the kids. They will send them to the barn so they never have to see them...all but Hannah because she is loved. {End Sarcasm}
Those people at GWOP really make me laugh.
As for the "severe punishment" debate. Do people really think she meant beating them with a wire hanger? I am a Kindergarten teacher and I have threatened my K kids with severe punishment--losing a bit of recess.
Get a life Jon and Kate haters.
I didn't get to see the show, but I did watch it on youtube. I don't see why the two oldest kids didn't get their ownd rooms, but maybe there is a good reason.
And the show did have its "WTH" moments with the very stern talking to that Kate gave Jon and the kids about the room. Yikes! She really is dramatic. And I don't think Mady's behavior was sweet in the least. She is acting out a lot, almost more than some of the little ones.
Holy cow, it's been busy today!!!
I watched the first 5-10 minutes of the episode tonight on DVR. When the kids first enter the house and run around there is a woman w/ short brown hair wearing a red shirt standing in the hall. The camera clearly catches her. There isn't a close enough shot to tell for sure who it is.
I love the new quote @ the top of the page from Samantha!
merryway said...For those of us that missed it, Toddlers & Tiaras is on now.
Gonna go watch it now.
Miranda said...Actually, I might have missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has suggested that the Gosselins are planning to lock the brood up in the stables. Each kid can have his or her very own stall!
LOL! Much of the humor here today has been a welcome relief from the earlier craziness. Thanks!
As for the "severe punishment" debate. Do people really think she meant beating them with a wire hanger? I am a Kindergarten teacher and I have threatened my K kids with severe punishment--losing a bit of recess.
Yep, based on what we have seen so far, I think a quick trip to the corner is probably what would will happen. Oh my! When will the abuse end?
CindyN, I don't know that I have seen you posting before, in any case, nice to see you!
I don't know for sure if they read any blogs or not. (I am not going to use my "imagination machine" to conjure up speculation into "fact.")
My guess, no. They are super busy with the kids and outside opportunities and there hasn't been anything new said on any of the hate sites for 4 or 5 months.
The other site is cracking me up. They are over there saying things like "I wonder if Pa's CPS has seen the clip of Mady kicking Alexis and nothing being done about it?" I laugh because shows like Nanny 911 and Super Nanny exist that show WAY worse behavior than that and everyone thinks those shows are great.
On those shows I've already seen kids trying to stab other kids, kids smothering other kids, kids walking out of the house and around the neighborhood, kids peeing on one another, and the list goes on. If CPS doesn't come out for those families I assure you they have no interest in the G's whose kids display typical behavior. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know there are some people who will not let facts get in the way of their opinions, but considering that throughout Kate's speech about the bedroom being off-limits, her kids paid very little attention to her and her warnings of severe punishment, I would think it's safe to say that they are not afraid of her. Maybe - just maybe! - they know more about Kate and how she parents than we do.
"Above all, those children are loved. You can see that in any episode. They are happy and thriving. The tup's vocabulary amazes me with every show."
OK, sorry I forget who wrote that, but I don't see how anyone who actually WATCHES this show can say that Mady is "happy and thriving." Same with Cara. And I think the little kids seem happy mostly because they don't know enough not to.
Leah-
Its not a barn- its an out building LOL
SOOOOO funny- I didnt know what you guys were talking about when you mentioned my quote at the top of the page, I just now saw it :)
Anya said...
Bridget said...Guess what people! Jon and Kate are entitled to change their minds! Even if it looks inconsistent, they don't have to get your approval.
Hallelujah! Exactly. Watching an edited 22 minute reality show does NOT give you a right to co-parent the Gosselin children. Jon & Kate could care less about that hate blog's opinion on anything.
___________________
Right on! Right on! Right on! Thanks for making that clear to all Anya and Bridget. That says it all. Well done!
Morecowbell--you are too funny. Jim-Boob cracked me up. And, thanks for explaining the "truth" to our new friend.
Mady is shown being sweet several times during the show. In general, you can see she's excited about the house. She was running around and playing, hugging, and holding hands with her little sisters.
You need to actually watch the show with an open mind to notice this stuff.
You'll see Kate smiling and speaking gratefully, too, if you watch. The Gosselins were clearly happy to be in their home.
amyf said, "And I think the little kids seem happy mostly because they don't know enough not to."
Well, that's an interesting observation. So if someone is happy with his life, and you don't think he should be, he's not really happy? I don't think it works that way (thank goodness.)
I don't get the whole "let's call CPS" thing. That is the top-rated TLC show; wouldn't someone have already stepped in if there were real issues? But, of course, the haters are smarter than the rest of America and we're all just uneducated fools. They know best. I picture all the haters as fitting a similar mold. Forgive me, as I know this sounds rude, but I come from a very small town where there are lots of gossipy, catty women who are out to cause drama. My guess is a lot of them post on anti-G hate sites. Small towns, between 35-50, feathery perms, alienated, reputation for flying off the handle a little too often, little experience outside of their home towns, etc. They hate change so much that the fact that the Gosselins bettered their own lives by making money, traveling, moving, etc, genuinely hurts the haters' feelings. They thought they *knew* the Gs.
I'm also wondering about any legal issues with all the accusations the haters are making about the Gs. I wonder if slander applies on an Internet blog? My guess is the Gs just don't care enough, and who can blame them? I really just wish the haters would be more careful and have some tact. They have absolutely no class or the ability to recognize what tact and class are. Some of the comments they are leaving about Hannah particularly -- if they truly *cared* about these children, they'd leave the kids out of it. So transparent.
Summer said:
I'm also wondering about any legal issues with all the accusations the haters are making about the Gs. I wonder if slander applies on an Internet blog?
I am always really curious about this as well, since many of the things I have read elsewhere are completely actionable. Someone upthread mentioned how detrimental the statements accusing cameramen of doing bad things are, as well.
Slander is when something is spoken, and libel is when it is written. The internet may seem anonymous, but all GWoP/Blogger would need was a subpoena and they would be forced to turn over their records and information to authorities. The problem lies in how so many state something as a fact (i.e. CPS claims) when it is purely their opinion. These comments have already snowballed into huge rumors (check out the propaganda thread-- there is tons more info there) so I would not at all be shocked if J & K were thinking of taking action. Then again, as you said, they are busy and from interviews they have given seem to feel people are entitled to their opinion.
I definitely agree there are a lot of hateful, malicious things floating around out there. Free speech is great as long as it does not encroach on the life and free speech of others though, and that line has been crossed over and over.
Summer said, "feathery perms." LOL!
I am amazed at how unaware the "haters" are. I am talking about the vitriolic posters elsewhere...
I have seen all of the Gosselin kids crying/melting down at some point, but I would not describe them as unhappy. If these kids are abused, why are they always smiling? How does getting your own room constitute abuse against you or a sibling? Is a big house a form of punishment? Is it abusive to be crabby and snappy at your husband and children? Can being a "germophobe" be compared to "child abuser?"
Even if the show is a mistake, even if Kate qualified as "cold", these things aren't abuse. The charge is as dramatic and over-the-top an exaggeration as Kate's "severeness" threat.
And Kate Gosselin doesn't come close to being as mean as posters over there. In an attempt to show how awful Kate Gosselin is, these posters are far more awful. They make no sense.
Finally, a few months ago, GWOP's founder wrote that child advocacy was the "furthest thing from her mind" when she started GWOP. So whoever thinks it's an advocacy site, adjust your thinking on that. It is not and doesn't purport to be one (and they have lived down to their own goals for themselves.)
Yeah the whole CPS thing is nuts. And of course I have left comments over there saying so and also mentioning the fact that shows like Nanny 911 and Super Nanny exist and how much worse they are but of course they won't approve those comments.
Don't get me wrong, I like those shows and watch them. But, I am also not the one sitting here crying how CPS needs to be called because the kids on the show have tried stabbing each other, left the house unattended, tried smothering their siblings, etc.
I'm just trying to show the haters the comparison. In one breath they say CPS needs to be called just because the Gosselin kids fight and stuff. And yet they watch shows that feature kids specifically at their worst. Doesn't make sense.
A few people over there have even suggested Kate take lessons from the Nannies. So I posted a comment asking them how they can approve of such a show and yet codemn Kate? But of course, they didn't approve that comment either.
I love how they say they allow opinions from both sides and yet there have been MANY comments of mine that never make it through. And I never go against any of their posting rules either. It doesn't make sense.
I've seen Jon criticized for using the term "out-building." Maybe it's a regional term, but it's perfectly acceptable to describe the buildings on the property as out-buildings. There is nothing pretentious at all about it.
As far as Jon and "out building" maybe he's making fun of some nasty person who used the term! Wouldn't surprise me given his dry sense of humor.
I think these kids are fine. They are kids. They will act out. They will push and test limits. The running around the house was very funny and they were so excited and happy. I think this family appreciates being able to move up to such a lovely home.
Ladies, I don't know how you go to gwop and read it. I peek in sometimes when one of you has mentioned how ridiculous a thread is and after 10 posts I am over it. It's just one stupid comment after another. The level of discussion is sub par. It embarrasses me.
Some of the comments they are leaving about Hannah particularly -- if they truly *cared* about these children, they'd leave the kids out of it. So transparent.
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Their hatred for Hannah is stunning. Just stunning. She is FIVE years old. I see a sweet little girl when I see Hannah, Ive never seen anything to indicate she was cunning or manipulative. Again, Id like to get a look at the people who are calling Hannah fat. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are projecting again.
You would think people who are so "educated" and "intelligently sophisticated" would be able to think up comments other than the above or "Hannah looks slow" while they are advocating for children.
Mary,
Without a doubt, the best way to "read GWOP" is to read the Princess boards. They cut and paste some of the most ridiculous comments and make snarky remarks about the posts. They are funny, and dead-on about the GWOP posters. I agree with you that reading GWOP is too much stupid for one person to take.
Fiona's 400+ comments guess needs to be revised. It's only Wednesday and they are already nearly double that.
What was it about this episode that had them so riled up? There were no bare bottoms, no meltdowns, no 'love taps,' no traveling, no private tours, no shower scenes.
It wasn't that big house was it? No, they're not jealous...not one bit.
Saint,
Look to the right of my comment.
Nina
Good diagnoses, Nina. I couldn't agree more.
Did anyone notice there was no footage of the outside of the house? When Jon and the kids were outside and walking down the driveway it seemed the camera deliberately lowered so as not to show the background.
Are they not showing it for privacy reasons or did I just miss it?
Saint-
I've seen Jon criticized for using the term "out-building."
I referenced Jon's outbuilding, but I was just kidding- I have friends who use that term :)
Saint,
Your post underscores what I've always thought about that other board. In their supposed attempts to advocate against the alleged abuse and exploitation about the posters (and the moderators by letting those comments go through) they ABUSE and EXPLOIT
those kids.
It is sick.
Not you Samantha...
I was reading a bit at GWOP. Really, they are upset with the term. It's so common around here, and elsewhere I imagine. Farms may have other buildings besides barns that used to serve other functions, no longer in use, including a summer kitchen, chicken coop, shed, springhouse, slaughter house, root cellar, outhouse. All of them, including the barn, are called out-buildings, so Jon wasn't being pretentious. But at GWOP, the term "out-building" is just too fancy for Jon Gosselin to use. There is resentment over the term!
Jan,
I noticed that they didn't show much of the outside of the house, too. They didn't show a pool, either.
I am guessing it's for privacy reasons, but maybe it just got edited out? If it is for the sake of the family's privacy, that makes GWOP look bad doesn't it? GWOP lives by a motto that what the parents put on TV is "fair game" but if the outside of the home is never on TV, then I guess they've violated the kids' privacy, haven't they?
While I do not post on this board often I do try to always go by the rule that I would never write/say something ABOUT somebody that I wouldn't feel comfortable saying to that persons face.
It just makes me wonder if many of the people who are so malicious, and cruel are that way because they see the internet as a way to be anonymous? I highly doubt that 95% of the things that are said on the internet would actually be said to Jon and Kate's faces given the opportunity.
Guin said: Kate's speech about the bedroom being off-limits, her kids paid very little attention to her and her warnings of severe punishment, I would think it's safe to say that they are not afraid of her. Maybe - just maybe! - they know more about Kate and how she parents than we do
I hope you're right. It sounded harsh to me. I think she is very focused on getting some privacy for herself. She seemed determined that the new house and its large size and the new rules about her bedroom will reduce her stress. Hopefully it does work for her. I think she's missing out on some amazing moments with her kids if she lives steadfastly by the rule that her kids never step a foot inside their room.
When I first watched the show I agreed with whoever said "she's a nutjob" but I'm trying to be more analytical about why she acts the way she does.
I've read The Princess Boards here a few times. What is that? Can someone provide a link?
What I said has all been truth. I have not passed on any rumors or speculation. By the definition of exploitation the Gosselin kids are exploited. Exploitation is also VERY wrong. The only way for the exploitation to stop is if they are off they air.
Guin said: Kate's speech about the bedroom being off-limits, her kids paid very little attention to her and her warnings of severe punishment, I would think it's safe to say that they are not afraid of her. Maybe - just maybe! - they know more about Kate and how she parents than we do.
My take on this scene that seems to be garnering so much negative attention...Kate was trying to implement a new rule on a bunch of kids who were excited and distracted. I think it was probably the right time to bring up the the new rules, but that the implementation and dicussion of consequences for breaking the rules could have waited for a calmer moment.
rain88 said...
I hope you're right. It sounded harsh to me. I think she is very focused on getting some privacy for herself. She seemed determined that the new house and its large size and the new rules about her bedroom will reduce her stress. Hopefully it does work for her. I think she's missing out on some amazing moments with her kids if she lives steadfastly by the rule that her kids never step a foot inside their room.
I can see how some people might see it as harsh (to not want your kids in your bedroom all the time) or that the delivery was harsh ("severe consequences).
I think part of that (the delivery) is the fact that Kate kept repeating herself and then tried to get Jon to back her up because the kids weren't focusing.
I do think that the tups have reached the appropriate age...and moving into a new house is a good opportunity to start fresh with new rules...to start teaching them self-control and to respect their parents' and older sisters' spaces.
I know Kate made it sound like the kids would never be in the room, but IMO the likelihood is the kids will be asked to knock and ask to come in (I've seen the twins filmed standing outside the parents' bedroom talking through the door) and the master bedroom in the new house will no longer be a tv/hangout room like it was in the old one (Kate mentioned this, I believe).
I somehow doubt, however strict Jon and Kate want this rule to be, that the kids will never be allowed in that room. Just doesn't seem likely.
Its a good thing.. Here is a 4th grade reading lesson.
Fact: what has really happened or is the case; truth
Opinion: what is thought on any matter or subject; judgement or belief resting on grounds insuffient to produce certainty.
Fact: Jon and Kate airs on TLC
Your opinion: Jon and Kate are exploiting their kids.
My opinion: Jon and Kate are not exploiting their kids.
End of lesson.
Annie, here is the link to the Princess Boards. Enjoy the craziness. They are SO funny.
http://princessmc.proboards66.com/index.cgi?board=Books&action=display&thread=2545
Saint, I think the hate brigade and their sock puppets have worked themselves up into a hunger with all their frenzy and CPS dialing.
Perhaps you should head over there with your "Hater Tots". LOL.
Its A Good Thing said...
What I said has all been truth. I have not passed on any rumors or speculation. By the definition of exploitation the Gosselin kids are exploited. Exploitation is also VERY wrong. The only way for the exploitation to stop is if they are off they air.
Does the "truth" of your statements apply to the comments you post at GWOP? Are you that same poster over there who has concluded that the Gosselins don't pay taxes? By definition, making up something you can't possibly know (and isn't even reasonable) is rumor and speculation. Are you the one who is hoping that the children grow up to disown their parents? I am sure if you are, it's because you absolutely care for the children and only want the best for them (snort.) It has nothing to do with your obsessing about that big house, does it? No, you're not jealous...
"Jealousy...it's NOT a good thing."
About that speech of Kate's...
Sometimes I think she's a drama queen, or "hamming it up" for the TV. I actually think that if the camera weren't there, she would have been calmer. To me, she sounded crabby and ridiculous (not the rule, which I think is fine, just the delivery.) And I agree with Guin. The kids were barely listening and just fidgeting until she was done. They are not afraid of her threat of "severeness." It's a rule, and it will be broken. If it's broken for a good reason (someone is hurt) she won't complain. When it is broken for a bad reason (someone's sneaking in there to go through her drawers) it will be corrected. No big deal.
Holy crap Batman! Step away from the computer for one day and look what I miss!
My eyes hurt. That's all I have to say. This is an interesting thread for sure.
The following is my opinion regarding Monday night's epi:
-I like the house - the space is great for the kids. Can't wait to see how they furnish it all!
-The comments regarding the kicking bit were a bit over dramatic in my opinion. Kate wasn't in the room and reacted as such. It's not the cameramans job to separate or discipline the children. I'm sure Mady "got a talking to" after Kate saw the actual incident.
-I have spent that much time cleaning a fridge before.
-I don't consider the new house a "mansion" - just a great house with adequate and sensible square feet that suits their family's needs. I thought their former home's general living space was lacking for a family of this size.
-I didn't care for the way Kate handled the "you're not allowed in our room" talk was poor. I don't think it really made much sense to the kids being that the house was vacant. I also thought the words "severe punishment" seemed a bit over-the-top. With that said, I only have one kid and have trouble with privacy. I'm sure there is more happening than what we've all seen on TV as far as lack of privacy goes for J&K.
Does everyone think they will change the interview room?
Long time reader, first time poster, as a mom of a 28 month old and a 9 month old who was a preemie, I can honestly say that I do NOT get how Kate can treat her children this way. To ban children from her bedroom, to ignore a child who needs help being wiped, and to literally let those kids go off "hither, thither and yon" to me spells disaster. I was at one point a fan, I identified with Kate with the whole preemie thing and thought well if she can do it with 8, I most certainly can do it with 2. I no longer feel that way, this show used to be enjoyable, and now it's just painful to watch, this episode could have been a joy to watch and instead was sad and further served to reiterate how this family has grown apart. They worked as a unit before, now it's all about making a buck, J&K seem to never be in the same room anymore, and it's just become too much. As mom to my preemie, I can say I wouldn't sell my baby(s) pottie problems, temper tantrums and overall childhood to the highest bidder. Someone will pay the price eventually, but this show needs to end NOW.
I no longer feel that way, this show used to be enjoyable, and now it's just painful to watch,
You do realize that you don't HAVE to watch it, don't you?
Guinevere, sweetie, of course I realize that I don't need to watch, however there is a thing called "free will" and that allows me to watch what I please, the reason I watched was simply like the others, to see if the stuff about the house was true and to see if the show had improved any from the latest shows, sadly it has not and it was at the moment that I saw that shrew yelling at her children to stay out of her room, that I thought to myself, this needs to end, but it is OVER for me. As a mom OF a preemie, I would NEVER do that to my kids !
amyf said...
"Above all, those children are loved. You can see that in any episode. They are happy and thriving. The tup's vocabulary amazes me with every show."
OK, sorry I forget who wrote that, but I don't see how anyone who actually WATCHES this show can say that Mady is "happy and thriving." Same with Cara. And I think the little kids seem happy mostly because they don't know enough not to.
I wrote that. The reason I say the children are happy and thriving is because I see them laughing, playing, arguing, throwing fits, etc. In other words, I see them engaging in age appropriate behavior. They act no different than most children their ages. My opinion (not wrong, just mine) is that all eight of them have distinct personalities. Perhaps Mady's personality is a bit more high strung/sensitive. Do I have anything to back that up? No. All I have is what I do see when I watch it. /begin sarcasm/ Perhaps I'm not watching through GWOP colored glasses. Do I want to? Not if it means immediately seeing no redeemable qualities in anything or anyone. /end sarcasm/
Heather-
Respectfully, You may change your mind about the bedroom rule when your children are no longer 2 and 9months.
Saint-
Just noticed your avatar, I love it :)
Actually no, I was wrong, when I FIRST started to become aware the J&K were not what they seemed, was when the whole Aunt Jodi/Julie debacle exploded, that's when I began to question things and read things, but like I said, free will, that is what enabled me to watch.
A pool is not dangerous. It's the lack of supervision that can be dangerous. Having a pool can be great for a family and "friends" when there are any. Please - stop panicking because they have a pool or you are buying a house and can't be bothered with one. I live in the NE and it was and still is great to have a pool even as my kids are late teens early 20s.
I just don't get why this episode has created so much interest online. It wasn't even that interesting! I agree, Kate handled the whole "Don't come in our room" issue poorly. Frankly, however, I don't see her even sticking with that rule.
I think the house will be nice for them, but really, what a fantastic outdoor area for the children to play in! It will be nice for their family, especially as the children grow and take up more space! :)
Can someone explain to me why there are 300 comments here, and 800+ on other blogs? I just don't get it! What was so outrageous about this episode?
Patty, I agree about the pool. We saw the kids have swimming lessons over the summer and by the time they were in Hawaii even the sextuplets were swimming with more confidence and ease. Maybe Jon and Kate had been looking at houses at this point and debating whether they wanted a pool, so they thought ahead and made sure their kids had some training to know how to swim and act around water. Who knows-- I think that it cannot hurt a child to know how to swim as well as being aware of how to safely act in the water.
(This reminded me of the adorable clips we saw of Leah (I think it was) swimming on her own without floaties when they were in Hawaii or San Diego... she was quite a little fish!)
heather, it's easy to state that you will NEVER yell at your kids when they are infants. we all think that. then they get bigger and we have our "off days" and sometimes we lose it. when my first was a baby i used to see these women in the store with several kids and the mom was snapping at them. the kids had snot on their face and crazy clothes on and i thought "my kids will NEVER be like that". here i am ten years later with four kids and i'm the one snapping at kroger with one kid dressed as superman, one in a tutu and snow boots and a baby with a constant running nose (he has lots of food allergies)
I don't understand what having a preemie has to do with anything, Heather? I didn't have a preemie...so what? Do you have a different set of mothering standards for your preemie than for your full-term child? What is your point?
Well, that's an interesting observation. So if someone is happy with his life, and you don't think he should be, he's not really happy? I don't think it works that way (thank goodness.)
Yeah, really! At a certain point I can't help but think that some posters really WANT the kids to be miserable, to bolster their own prejudices. It's pretty sick IMO.
Can being a "germophobe" be compared to "child abuser?"
I saw a quote brought over to the Princess board to the effect that the kids were horribly abused. It just boggles my mind; I wonder if the poster has any idea of what true "horrible abuse" might entail. It's not telling your kids that they can't come into your room uninvited, and it's not failing to drop everything to wipe their butts the moment they call for you.
And Kate Gosselin doesn't come close to being as mean as posters over there. In an attempt to show how awful Kate Gosselin is, these posters are far more awful. They make no sense.
But it's okay, because in their world, "Kate did it first!", and two wrongs make a right. Apparently, they are all in third grade, still.
Without a doubt, the best way to "read GWOP" is to read the Princess boards. They cut and paste some of the most ridiculous comments and make snarky remarks about the posts. They are funny, and dead-on about the GWOP posters. I agree with you that reading GWOP is too much stupid for one person to take.
I absolutely agree. Reading GWoP straight is depressing - it makes you wonder how many of the women around you are *that* angry and ugly inside. Whereas the Princess thread is usually fun - you just get the best (or worst, depending on how you think of it) comments, and free snark. It's awesome.
SamanthaNC - actually I won't change my mind, I was brought up in a home where I was an only child and was encouraged to sleep in my mom's bed, my father passed away when I was 9. As for the comment about my 2 and 9 month old, only in the past month or so, has my son slept in his own room, as I stated, he was a preemie, thus he was in a bassinet beside our bed for almost 7 months. I want my children not only now, but when they are older to know that they are welcome to come into our bed, I know I used to do the same when my father was alive, to jump in bed with them on Saturday mornings, I want my kids to feel comfortable and it's a little insulting to me for you to be insinutating that since my children are young, I seem to not know of what I speak. With all respect.
SAINT - THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PREEMIE !!! So HOW can you try to say something like this when YOU have not been in the situation ! IF you had read my original post, you would have read that at first I identified with Kate because of the fact that she as well had a prem, moms of prems tend to gravitate towards one another since we all KNOW what it's like, NOBODY can say ANYTHING, about our situation unless you have been through it.
Guinevere, sweetie, of course I realize that I don't need to watch, however there is a thing called "free will" and that allows me to watch what I please,
Of course. If it pleases you to watch something you find "painful", have at it. I have nothing against masochists - as someone once said (I've seen it attributed to everyone from Henry VIII to Alice Roosevelt), "I don't care what the people do, as long as they don't do it in the streets and scare the horses."
Can someone explain to me why there are 300 comments here, and 800+ on other blogs? I just don't get it! What was so outrageous about this episode?
Good question, scarfoot...I asked something similar above. I think this house is probably too darn nice for Kate Gosselin in some people's minds. I honestly think that if the Gosselins did everything EXCATLY the same way but only received 1% of the money/trips/freebies for it that they actually got, Kate would not be such a villain and Jon would be a nice guy with a big family struggling to keep his head above water. It's not the exposure or lack of privacy most haters resent. It's that they once needed help form people like us and now they are much more wealthy. JMO.
themrs - I'm not speaking of not yelling at my children, my point is that this woman pimps out her children to the highest bidder and THAT is what I would not do, as well I would NOT ban my children from my bedroom, of course nobody is perfect and yes I snap at my children. That was not the point of my post.
My opinion (not wrong, just mine) is that all eight of them have distinct personalities. Perhaps Mady's personality is a bit more high strung/sensitive.
I agree. With eight kids, there is bound to be a sensitive/difficult one (or two!) in the bunch. Correlation does not equal causation, and I've seen no evidence that Mady's "issues" have anything to do with the show.
Of course, I also don't think she is the next coming of Cruela de Vil - she's just a normal little girl, cute and smart, but a bit more tempermental, emotional and moody than some. I think she's an awesome kid, and has the potential to be anything she wants to be.
Saint - as far as mothering standards, no, there is no difference between my 2 children, except that when my son was born, there was SO much more involved, it's hard to describe, the endless dr's appts, then the fact that he screamed all day long, and it broke my heart to leave him in the NICU when I was discharged, after being hospitalized for 11 days.
heather- i apologize for misrepresenting you then. i also would not choose to do a tv show. i do, however, have a no kids in the bedroom rule. they are allowed to come in if they are ill or there is an emergency. otherwise, mommy's room is mommy's room. with four under 9, i have to be rather rigid to get two minutes alone with my husband. they know that if we go in there in the daytime, we need to discuss something private and they need to knock if they need us. i don't see that as bad parenting but rather as one tool i must implement to have a good marriage.
Well Guin, you certainly didn't read the rest where I stated I would no longer be watching. And also that I didn't find it painful to watch BEFORE !
IMO the house is not too big for this family and many, many families have pools, as my family did when I was a child in Florida. Parents learn how to keep their children safe around pools. It will be great for the kids to have so much land to just run around on and that long, long driveway to ride bikes and scooters. I have no problem at all with the house. It is really lovely. I am familiar with that part of PA and the seasons come and go with beauty.
I believe I have seen every single episode of this show and although I know all about the criticism, I chose to watch because of the kids. They each are special and cute and, I think, funny in their own way.
But I will never ever watch another episode. I can't take Kate's personality anymore, her misuse of her authority over the kids (don't ever come in my room) and her constant degradation of her husband right flat in front of those children. Kids absorb everything you say. I have five little ones, myself, and I simply can not abide this woman any longer.
Why anyone would consider the show I witnessed on Monday to be entertainment boggles the mind. TLC needs to let this family go and perhaps they'll get back to some semblence of normal living. They now have the means to live well, thanks to the tups, and so should be left in peace (whether they like it or not).
Thank you for letting me post.
Heather, you "screamed,"
SAINT - THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A PREEMIE !!! So HOW can you try to say something like this when YOU have not been in the situation !
Well, you were an only child. I grew up in a family with eight kids (and more at various times because my parents opened our home to other children as well) and so YOU can't say anything to me or about Kate Gosselin because of your own rule that you have to live it to comment on it.
I did read your original post. You know what? It still makes no sense. You felt drawn to Kate because she had (six) preemies. You only had one. I've got news for you Heather...you haven't lived Kate Gosselin's life. You're six kids short by your own count.
And you're rude, too.
Please pass the troll spray. I'm out over here.
rain88 said...When I first watched the show I agreed with whoever said "she's a nutjob" but I'm trying to be more analytical about why she acts the way she does.
I think this is a good point. Even a casual viewer will notice that Kate has her, um, moments. I have learned to look at them with a compassionate eye. And, yes, I do try and analyze her. It's kind of fun. I feel like I am getting two for the price of one - adorable kids and trying to get in Kate Gosselin's head! She is so different from me, but I find her very interesting. Occasionally exasperating, sure, but I do believe she loves her kids with all her heart and would do anything for them. I wouldn't watch otherwise.
Heather said (quite emphatically)...
NOBODY can say ANYTHING, about our situation unless you have been through it.
I find this argument interesting coming from someone who in the last breath was throwing out judgements about another mother you don't know and in whose shoes you have not walked.
heather, it's easy to state that you will NEVER yell at your kids when they are infants. we all think that. then they get bigger and we have our "off days" and sometimes we lose it. when my first was a baby i used to see these women in the store with several kids and the mom was snapping at them. the kids had snot on their face and crazy clothes on and i thought "my kids will NEVER be like that". here i am ten years later with four kids and i'm the one snapping at kroger with one kid dressed as superman, one in a tutu and snow boots and a baby with a constant running nose (he has lots of food allergies)
Oh, it's so true! It's easy to judge when you're on the outside looking in. It feels very different in the moment.
Saint,
Your avatar is killing me LOL....
Ok now on to the episode and comments. I also don't get the "would never yell at my preemie child". I guess I am missing something here. Your either going to yell at your child or not. Parents get frustrated and yell sometimes. If you don't and your name is Michelle Duggar, good for you.... However, the reality is WE yell. It happens. We may feel like crap afterwards but frustrations can get the better of you. I know my son knew the minute he heard the loud ONE, TWO, his behavior changed by three. He grew up just fine. And with great manners.
As far as the house, it was a nice house for them. I am guessing they are taking the proper precautions for pool safety. As far as the Mady issue... I would have given both girls a talking to and a time out. As for the fridge, I would have freaked out on that as well. And finding mouse turds,,, exterminator here you come.....
What's the big deal getting so worked up about Kate wanting her master bedroom her private space. Both my children slept in my room until they got old enough to sleep in there own room, the daughter was 9 months when we kicked her out and the son was 11 months but now my bedroom is off limits to the children unless they are sick but you know the hubby and I like some times to get some "private time" and we don't want to worry about some little one coming in at the wrong time. There bed is there bed and mine is mine, it's not Little House on the Prairie in my house. So this rule is fine for some people and it will not scar the Gosselin children one bit not being allowed in the master bedroom. Get over yourselves!
Its A Good Thing said...
Well then I guess its good for the Gosselin children that you have no control over the GWOP site. They are advocating for the children. People here however, wear their rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge the truth.
Advocating for the children does NOT mean trying to sabotage their parents' means of supporting them and it does not mean leaving hateful and spiteful unfounded lies about the parents and the children on the internet that will be read in years to come. (And I don't buy the premise that this is all the parents' fault or these messages would not be left. It's not. It's GWOP's fault.) The lack of concern shown by GWOP for the Gosselin children in the long run negates anything that they consider "advocacy".
By the way,
I didn't say anything about Heather's situation. She just imagines that I did. I said I didn't understand what having a preemie has to do with why she wouldn't ever yell at her children. Too bad being the mother of a preemie didn't stop her from yelling at me. Take it easy on the shift key, Heather.
Guin said:
Of course, I also don't think she is the next coming of Cruela de Vil - she's just a normal little girl, cute and smart, but a bit more tempermental, emotional and moody than some. I think she's an awesome kid, and has the potential to be anything she wants to be.
Thank you! This is something that bothers me. How people think that these children are the scheming, manipulating devil spawn that are either held high or kept in the dungeon is beyond me.
As I said in my first post, I don't watch this show religiously. I don't dvr it and then pause, rewind, replay, rinse repeat ad nauseum. I don't analyze frame by frame who got a piece of gum and who didn't.
Does Kate get on my nerves? Sometimes. Do I think Jon ought to assert himself more? Sometimes. Then I remember that this is a taped show. Some things are edited or removed completely. We don't see what goes on in that house at all times.
I don't read GWOP. There's not enough soap in the world to get me clean from the anger, disgust and hatred that's there. I'm all for dissenting views and I have to give the admins here their due.
What's the big deal getting so worked up about Kate wanting her master bedroom her private space.
The big deal (besides the way she said it, which I didn't take seriously but I agree was unnecessarily emphatic) is that the haters jump on ANYTHING that suggests that a mother not be totally and completely selfless. The fact that Kate might want a sanctuary, one place where the kids' stuff isn't spread out all over the place, is just one more brick in the "Kate is the worst human being EVER" wall.
People have some crazy, crazy ideas about mothering. Kate is still a human being. She has a right to her own space, particularly now that they have a house with plenty of it.
My husband is CPS. He is a child welfare worker who works with children 12-18. He has been doing this for 10+ years. He also works with our local gang task force to reduce gang activity in our city as well as in families. What the Gosselin's are doing is not a child welfare issue. Parents teaching their 4 year olds to throw gang signs is child abuse. Parents driving drunk with their kids unseatbelted in the car is is child abuse. Parents beating their kids is child abuse.
My husband watches this show with me on a weekly basis. Before I give an opinion on what I think of the show I always ask what he thinks and if he sees any CPS issue that he thinks needs to be dealt with. The answer is always NO. There is not a CPS issue that is being aired on TV in regards to the Gosselins. Give it a rest on the CPS being called.
End rant.
Does Kate get on my nerves? Sometimes. Do I think Jon ought to assert himself more? Sometimes. Then I remember that this is a taped show. Some things are edited or removed completely. We don't see what goes on in that house at all times.
Amen!
Guin said...
The big deal (besides the way she said it, which I didn't take seriously but I agree was unnecessarily emphatic) is that the haters jump on ANYTHING that suggests that a mother not be totally and completely selfless.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no going back for most haters as far as Kate's concerned. Even if they had a moment of sanity for an objective look at Kate's behavior, they certainly wouldn't voice any new revelations on GWOP (not that it would be posted there anyway).
They watch the show for anything to criticize and come back to GWOP to snark about it ...and apparently delight in saying it over and over and over .... and that's it. Period.
There's nothing over in that cesspool of hate that resembles concern for children. It's a snark board gone terribly wrong, that's it.
Two comments-
1) My daughter was a preemie and I yell at her and scold her quite a bit. I am super proud of it? No. Am I a human mom? Yes. The little girl who was under four pounds when she was born is imaginative, playful, funny, caring, and naughty and 8 years old! I am told sometimes by her that I am "mean" and I "don't let her have any fun". Sounds like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing! Parents are not supposed to be friends. They are supposed to teach their children to be responsible adults.
2) Thank you to the poster who's husband is in CPS. I work in foster care and the Gosselin kids are not being abused. No matter how you slice it, they're not.
And jealousy is never a good reason for calling CPS.
Does Kate get on my nerves? Sometimes. Do I think Jon ought to assert himself more? Sometimes. Then I remember that this is a taped show. Some things are edited or removed completely. We don't see what goes on in that house at all times.
I agree with this. Kate and Jon are real people with real feelings, faults, etc.
I think alot of the people over at the other board tend to forget that. Not only that, but Jon and Kate are at the mercy of editing and a lot of the the interactions before or after is said may be edited out.
On another topic, I also don't get the logic of not yelling at the preemie child. Heather may not have meant it, but it seems like she was saying that she treats her full term child differently and with different standards than her preemie child.
Hi Jenn.
Ok, you made me tilt my head. Very clever. :-)
Thanks for the information. Simple common sense would dictate there is nothing going on in the Gosselin household that is so concerning for CPS to even make a preliminary phone call, but it's good to hear it from the mouth of a trained professional.
I am sure some have heard of the case of Riley Ann Sawyers. If you haven't, I suggest you Google it only if you are emotionally able to handle it.
People who throw out the term "abuse" in regards to the Gosselin children have something very very wrong with them.
Its A Good Thing said
What I said has all been truth.
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Ummm aren't you the one who said that Madys underwear was shown when she was playing around on the floor? That wasn't exactly truthful, was it?
Anya, I really wish I had not googled Baby Grace. Wow. That is heart breaking. I have talked before about how false CPS claims can be so detrimental to someone (my aunt and uncle had CPS called on them by a neighbor when my niece was a baby-- she was in a walker upstairs and fell down the steps in it. Complete freak accident that gets replayed in my aunt and uncles mind all the time, and now something that there is a record of due to someone stepping in where they had no right to. She is one of the smartest 12 year olds I know now, and she is definitely no worse for the wear.) I can completely see that accidents sometimes happen with children-- they fall, get hurt, have a bad day, hit someone-- but CPS from what I can see is there to protect children from abuse-- not from being kids or having random accidents that are actual accidents.
Jenn, you made me tilt my head too. Sheesh... :)!
Good grief-- I meant to say when my cousin was a baby, not my niece. Duh. This aunt and uncle are more like a big brother and sister in law to me, so their kids feel more like nieces than cousins, but I wanted clarify that. It's been a long day!!
Thank you Jenn! For a few years I worked as a PR Manager for a home of neglected and abused children. Although most of the kids at that home were high schoolers, the campus was able to take younger children for emergency placement.
When the whole fake PennMommy began her CPS rants, I just shook my head. I don't think some people out there can get past their hate for K and see how happy and loved (and well taken care of) these kids seem to be.
If a child is being abused there is no way that the child can fake the smiles, giggles and the twinkle in their eye. All the Gosselin children smile, get the giggles, and have a twinkle in their eye. Afterall,in the words of Aiden "I thought we were buddies."
Anya, Thanks for the news article of Riley Ann Sawyers. Stories like that make me cry. Child abuse is serious and for all the children who needed someone to call CPS on there behalf don't get a call but how insulting it is for these children when someone thinks the Gosselins need CPS to be called for them when they obvious don't need it. I can go on a rant about what child abuse is but most sane people already know.
OT..but I am still laughing my butt off at Michelle Duggar when they asked her how she liked going into a Head Shop in San Francisco... Huh? Head Shop? What's that? What did I go into? omg classic.
Ghleanna - great post. My sentiments exactly!!
I'm not quite sure why GWOP is so up in arms about the new house?
So... the kids now have acres to run around on, a home that is more private and spacious, a pool to continue swimming lessons, and the possibility of having a few animals. That house was sure as hell bought FOR THEM.
If Jon & Kate had bought a small Italian villa that they refused to take the kids to, I might be more inclined to think exploitation. To me, I really do believe everything these parents do is FOR THE KIDS and therefore not exploitation. It doesn't mean the parents don't have their ugly moments or the children are perfect in every way.
I'm also completely irritated that because I'm not on the same page as posters on GWOP I'm uneducated... damn... what am I going to do with that MBA now??
This show certainly hit a nerve. Maybe because some of the questions were addressed last week. They are back to writing churches and harassing some poor pastor. I can't figure out why J&K are responsible for all the less fortunate. I wonder if they feel the same way about lottery winners.
Merryway,
Great avatar. Yes, I noticed the angry mob is harrassing that pastor. I hope they make the mistake of telling him the blog they come from so he can read all the great Christian, child-loving comments under any of the threads. That'll convince him they are sane truth-tellers. Not.
Heather
I want my kids to feel comfortable and it's a little insulting to me for you to be insinutating that since my children are young, I seem to not know of what I speak. With all respect.
I'm sorry I suppose I didnt realize I was speaking to someone who is so easily insulted. But the fact remains that at 2 yrs old and obviously the baby, your room should be open territory. However when they are older you may enjoy a little respite now and again in your own space.
Maybe not, maybe you will never need a "sanctuary", however its a little presumptious of you at this point, to be so hard on a woman with 8 children ages 4 and 8 when you have 2 who are so young you can't imagine needing a space away from them yet.
I was going to say something re: the Pastor who is currently getting reamed out behind his back by people who emailed him, but really have no words. To pretend you are a Christian and would go to his church, then admit you are not and lambast a guy who is attempting to satiate irate Gosselin haters is so far beyond anything I thought people would actually do. Its more than offensive to me... its morally and ethically wrong.
The whole thing makes me feel sick.
That Pastor is like the EmTanner of Christian Churches: he told her to stop emailing him. And she posted the response! What does she want him to say? "Thanks for harrassing me! I think I'll just take your advice, strange Stranger, and cancel this exciting event at our Church, because you said so!"
Lordy Be!
I haven't read over there lately so I didn't know anything about them harrassing another Pastor. To me, what they are doing is worse than anything Jon or Kate has done.
As I was driving home tonight from work thinking about this blog, I realized how disgusted I am with all of the people who think they are so much better than everyone else just because they have different parenting skills. How friggen self righteous can you be to think that your way of doing things is so much better than someone elses!
And FYI, just because you have an opinion on something doesn't make your opinion fact. Quit trying to spin this situation into something bad because it's not.
Sorry for the rants today. It's been a rough day.
Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP. And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!! Why is that okay?
It's out of control over there. There is a poster over there who lied about wanting to join his church but won't because he supports "child exploitation." she's admitted she's not even christian, much less Methodist. She says she lied about moving to the area. She is bragging about lying to him. In what moral code is this acceptable? No shame at all. No one correcting her. Is that nuts?
Good Lord, Mrs. Ref! Who here is trying to mess with someone's livelihood? Who is lying about anyone over there? Has this blog encouraged people to harrass a man because they disagree with his decision to host the Gosselins. They posted his working email address and you equate that with what exactly over here?
Has a poster here wished ill on anyone over there? What exactly was said here that compares with the wishful thinking that the Gosselin kids will grow up and disown their parents? Be more discerning.
By the way...it's 350 quality posts, Mrs. Ref. That's worth 9,000 of those hate-filled jealous ugly rants that pass for English at that hateful site.
MrsRef, did any poster here lie to a Pastor they were harrassing? Or say that they hope one of the kids gets hurt at the new house? Did I miss a poster who stated they hope the kids hate Jon and Kate when they grow up?
Not sure how you see us as being the same... GDNNOP has always been clear that the goal is to have a balanced discussion about ALL the controversy about Jon and Kate plus 8. GWoP is clearly a HUGE source of controvery. So....uhh.... well... what was it you were wondering? Am I missing something here? Bueller?
The majority making fun of GWOP? So it's OK for you to just make that up?
Lordy be!
I feel bad for that Pastor. No one deserves to be harrassed like that.
MrsRef said...Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP.
That's your opionion, which you are, of course, entitled to. I happen to disagree. I would cite all the ways we differ, but that would just up the anti-GWOP quotient you have already expressed displeasure with.
And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!! Why is that okay?
Yeah, that's a lot of posts. What's your point?
Why is is NOT okay to make fun of GWOP? I don't understand. They can certainly dish it --anonymously and frequently directed at CHILDREN, but you think they can't take it?
Too bad for them.
BTW, I am happy to discuss Monday's episode with you. Wasn't Joel adorable when he first came in the house? Didn't you feel for Kate having to clean that nasty fridge? How cute was Leah insisting on dragging the box and Aaden saying "I thought we were buddies."
Want to join me? :-)
There was a post that said John hit Joel on this past episode.
Do we really need to explain?
I went to the princess boards and read about the pastor. I'm glad he stood up to them, but I am getting concerned for him as well. Now they are talking about contacting the other pastors at his church about him? Leave the poor man alone!
You know, when you see this kind of behavior, it makes you wonder what else has been done to the Gosselins that we know nothing about.
This is beyond inappropriate.
For the record, I never said anything about NOT yelling at my kids, including the premature, if any of those who want to jump all over my posts had read the first one, it CLEARLY states about the master bedroom yelling rant, and about this was part of my original post:
I can honestly say that I do NOT get how Kate can treat her children this way. To ban children from her bedroom, to ignore a child who needs help being wiped,
and:
As a mom OF a preemie, I would NEVER do that to my kids !
that would be in reference to selling my kids childhood to the highest bidder to put on t.v.
As for sanctuary, of course I need one right now, for me my blasted guitar hero is the only thing that keeps me sane half the time, my point was that I grew up in a home where, yes I needed to knock on my mom's door to come in, and I was always allowed there when I was sick or had nightmares, why should I not want the same for my own kids ? Believe me,my 2 year old is a bed HOG, and it's rare that she sleeps in our bed, if EVER, I just think it's sad that these kids won't be able to have the same.
OH, and I don't treat my kids differently, but think what you want, I'm kinda over posting here, it was only my first time posting today, and I dont' think I'll be comign back here, I'll stick to my BOMO, it really IS balanced over there.
I am going to post really quickly and then go watch Lost :)
My thought/rant for the day is....
Many people poke fun of the kids and /or Jon and Kate. It's mean, especially to the children. Several people, including myself have posted comments (on this and other boards) about how that it's mean and very detrimental to the kids. (My mantra, always build up the parents, and nurture the relationship between kids and parents).
Well, usually posts come back (not necessarily from this board)saying "Jon and Kate bring it on themselves. If they don't want us to make fun of the kids, they shouldn't be on TV". or "they make fun of Joel, why can't we?"
PEOPLE, just because J & K are on TV or do something you don't like doesn't give you the right to do the same thing!
"We do it because they do it" Who's calling who a sheeple now?
The emails to the Pastor are off the hook crazy. He said in one of the responses that they have done research, which probably means they have read GWOP and read the insanity. Perhaps I will email him a note of support.
I think its time Jon and Kate got their legal team involved with the things GWOP says about them.
I happen to have a fascination with the rabid irrational hate and all that springs from it.
Anya said..
...BTW, I am happy to discuss Monday's episode with you. Wasn't Joel adorable when he first came in the house? Didn't you feel for Kate having to clean that nasty fridge? How cute was Leah insisting on dragging the box and Aaden saying "I thought we were buddies."... \
Oh, me too. I keep remembering how cute all the kids were running up the steps and Kate didn't wince at the screaming. She was trying to take a pic of the moment. I could totally identify with her on the fridge as I am the same way. I don't complain as much about it though, because I'm not Kate. I'm much more icked out by the mouse poop than she was. That's what I would complain about as I'm getting the willies right now thinking about it.
It's nice to see good fortune happen and for people to succeed.
I read the Princess board about the Pastor and his harrassment from GWOP and I kind of feel sorry for him. I think he will be pressing spam all night long. Poor guy!!
JerseyGirl I agree. They need to get their legal team and start going for libel on people. I feel for that pastor. No church or pastor should be subjected to that.
I'm much more icked out by the mouse poop than she was. That's what I would complain about as I'm getting the willies right now thinking about it.
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I would have run out of the house screaming. Living out in the country like that, mice will be an issue more than once Im sure.
I was wrong, when I FIRST started to become aware the J&K were not what they seemed, was when the whole Aunt Jodi/Julie debacle exploded, that's when I began to question things,
Oh, that explains SO MUCH, Heather. Julie Famewhore brainwashing and the GWoPper worship of her.
Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP. And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!! Why is that okay?
Because they bring it on themselves? They throw the salvos and then act put out when someone actually questions them on it? Don't dish it out if you can't take it, and if you put it out there to be read by the masses, you're going to get some feedback, and not all of it from obsessed, lonely, bitterly brainwashed mental patients full of hatred, who agree with you and think your particular brand of cruel "snark" is "cool."
I would have run out of the house screaming. Living out in the country like that, mice will be an issue more than once Im sure.
I can't stand mouse poop either.
That's why I have a cat.
if any of those who want to jump all over my posts had read the first one, it CLEARLY states about the
Heather, you jumped all over me because I asked for clarification. I still don't know why you keep mentioning your "preemie" or why you yelled at me for not mothering one. And what about your telling me I can't post because I didn't have a preemie? I honestly disagree with your position that I can't ask a question because I am not the mother of a preemie.
I think you just wanted to yell at me and you jumped the gun.
Clearly you didn't make it clear or people would not have asked.
Saint-
I totally agree with you. I'm still not sure how the preemie issue is relevant to the conversation that was going on. . .
So I guess she cant comment about Kate bc she doesn't have sextuplets and twins?
To NoMoreCowbell: I am neither bitter, lonely, brainwashed, full of hatred or anything else you just said. I hadn't posted in GWOP for months until yesterday when I posted exactly once. The first post under this topic is how there will be 400 posts at GWOP. The last time I posted here yesterday or the day before, I was told to examine myself because I responded asking a question about haters. Very friendly unbiased bunch here. Obviously you have a problem with me pointing out that there are a majority of posts under this thread that are nasty and snarky to GWOP. You know, not everyone who posts there hates the Gosselins. You seem to be the one that flipped because I questioned that. Who can't take it????? Please explain MY particular brand of snark. Anything I have posted here is simply my opinion and you do know what they say about opinions, right?
MrsRef:
Very friendly unbiased bunch here.
when you say things like:
Frankly, the posts here (under this topic) are no better than those at GWOP. And you guys are at 350 and counting, the majority making fun of the posters at GWOP!!
What kind of response do you expect? That kind of post doesnt really invite friendliness.
No, Mrs. Ref,
The majority of posts here are about the new house show and related discussions, not GWOP.
GWOP comes up because they also discuss the show, the Gosselins, and the Gosselins speaking schedules. I would like to correct their comments right there at GWOP but they won't put my posts through. A lot of us have had that experience. So when we feel like something should be corrected or challenged where can we do it? Right here at "the lonely little blog." As I understand it, one of the reasons the Nina started this blog was because posters with a different viewpoint had no where to post their comments. It is fitting then, that when something outrageous is happening at GWOP, or another wildly inaccurate rumor is exhalted to "fact" status, someone here will respond to it.
That does NOT equate this blog with that one. That makes it distinctly different.
You just don't read the opposing viewpoints there. For instance, a critical post like yours, would not be let through.
In addition, there is something really different when there is an attempt to send harrassing emails, lying emails to someone at his place of employment, and to email his superiors about how rude he is when the response isn't what they want. Surely you see my point?
Saint:
It's the house. It has whipped all those creeples into a frenzy. If they are also throwing the kids to the wolves in posts over there I truly believe they are despicable. These are little kids, for God's sake!
I'm shocked to tune in here and find all of this posting. Can't read it all, but I can't help but think that the episode showing Kate in that house that so many of those folks have been so angry about has fostered the massive posting here. Rock on, ladies. I think the Gosselins are going to enjoy their new home regardless. And there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. As for someone who mentioned that TLC should pull the plug on the show for whatever bonehead reason she believes, I can assure her that they are loving all of this controversy. They will "pull the plug" when it no longer makes money for them and so far, that's not happening. The negative internet yammering seems to have created an even bigger interest in this show. Numbers are numbers, whether people are sitting in their chair seething or sitting in their chair enjoying. They are still watching!
And one last little thing. This CPS business is a disgrace. I worked in an agency where I had direct interaction with DCF. The horrible things I saw and learned about are not something I would list anywhere, but trust me, the Gosselin kids are not a CPS issue. That is irresponsible to say/write or act on.
Man, this mob mentality of people completely blows my mind! Take this energy and do something else with it. We are in the middle of a massive crisis in our country not to mention the world, but people-women and mom's-are pouring precious time and energy into hating this couple and are including innocent children in their rampage by calling them names and making assumptions about their behavior and future from an edited 30 minute episode. Admit what your real issue is about the Gosselins and stop hiding behind pseudo psychological and sociological babble.
Sorry Saint. I only meant to answer your question about what it could be that is causing this crush of back and forth commenting, but some of this stuff is so out of line and beyond reason.
I suppose morecowbell can speak for herself. I may be wrong, but when I read her response I didn't think she meant "you" as "Mrs. Ref" but as "GWOP." It was a general "you" as in " don't dish it out if you can't take it."
Also, I agree with Samantha that your tone certainly didn't invite friendliness. I think you should hold yourself to the standard you set for others here. It's insulting to be equated with GWOP. If you (Mrs. Ref) are going to be insulting, expect some of us to be offended.
I did not expect to be called mindless, bitter, mentally ill or any of the names that no more cowbell spewed. Seriously how is this any better than the other blog? Yesterday I was called a hater and jealous because I dared to question the use of those words. I did junior high 30-some years ago, I don't need a repeat. I guess the blogging world is not for me.
I agree, Mary. It's the house. There was Kate being Kate, and Jon being Jon, and the kids being the kids, and the house. Nothing else happened that was that unusual, just the show we usually see.
Plus the new house.
I didn't expect to be equated with GWOP, so I know how you feel.
And I really don't believe that MCB was calling you, Mrs. Ref, those names. I think she was characterizing GWOP that way. It can be read either way, and I honestly read it as a characterization of GWOP in defense of this blog, which does not deserve those descriptions.
Have you read GWOP recently? Because the stuff about the pastor is nuts. Really nuts.
Saint, I was the one who wrote the post she was responding to. It certainly seemed to me like she was responding to me. I did not see the posts about the pastor but did everyone who ever posts there write to the pastor. I have better things to do with my time than write to sponsors of tv shows or pastors of churches or even Paul Peterson. I probably spend too much time reading blogs.
I can't stand mouse poop either.
That's why I have a cat.
I don't have mice, but I have a cat who has brought them IN. Uh, thanks.
I may be wrong, but when I read her response I didn't think she meant "you" as "Mrs. Ref" but as "GWOP." It was a general "you" as in " don't dish it out if you can't take it."
Some people always assume that you are talking about them. Or disingenuously pretend that they do so they can complain about how you're being mean to them.
For the record, I don't think there is anything that wrong with people here "making fun" of the people at GWoP. Nor do I think it's that big a deal if people at GWoP make fun of "sheeple". Or even if people at GWoP make fun of J&K. I may roll my eyes at the endless posts about Kate's hair, but they don't make me angry.
What crosses the line:
1) The many vicious comments that haters (at GWoP and elsewhere) have made about the Gosselin children. I find those disgusting.
2) The stalking, harrassment, lying about, trying to interfere with the lives of and slandering of J&K.
3) The stalking, harrassing and slandering of various people who are tangentially related to J&K - whether church pastors harangued via email or cameramen accused of pedophilia.
If you can't see the difference between the unhinged behavior of the haters and the posts here, then I don't know what to tell you.
Mrs. Ref,
When MCB wrote, "and if you put it out there to be read by the masses, you're going to get some feedback, and not all of it from obsessed, lonely, bitterly brainwashed mental patients full of hatred, who agree with you..." I think she meant that if GWOP puts criticism out there, they will get some feedback from others (that's us) and not all the feedback will be from the GWOP posters who are obsessed, lonely, brainwashed mental patients full of hatred who agree with everything written at GWOP.
I don't think she was calling you those names. I think she was characterizing what she reads at GWOP, and frankly, with this last episode, she's not far off.
She was responding to your characterization of this blog as just as bad as GWOP. I see that some of us are ragging on GWOP tonight, but Mrs. Ref, look at GWOP. It's really bad there today (and yesterday.) Some one has declared that Jon hit Joel. It didn't happen. They are emailing a pastor because Kate is speaking at his church, including lying to him. Now they are emailing his superiors because he didn't cave to their demands.
That blog is really destructive. I don't think it's wrong to point it out when these things happen.
I am sorry that you were hurt. I will add that you were hurtful as well. I didn't read last night so I am commenting on tonight's exchange. I wanted to defend the posters here from being compared to GWOP.
Mrs Ref,
Everyone there doesn't have to email the pastor. I don't think 100 emails from those "ladies" will change his mind. They are harrassing him. That is wrong. They have published his email and encouraged others to email him. One has lied about wanting to join his church even though she hates organized religion. Now they have emailed his superiors. The mods haven't stopped these wicked posts from going through. No one has been able to criticize this effort. How would you feel if someone (just ONE) did that to you? How would you feel if you had your email published and an effort started to have your boss notified?
They are doing this to a private citizen, not Jon and Kate. It's awful when the try to ruin a TV family, but all this guy does is work at a church! Surely you can see how this is inexcusable?
Saint said...
Mrs Ref,
Everyone there doesn't have to email the pastor. I don't think 100 emails from those "ladies" will change his mind. They are harrassing him. That is wrong. They have published his email and encouraged others to email him. One has lied about wanting to join his church even though she hates organized religion. Now they have emailed his superiors. The mods haven't stopped these wicked posts from going through. No one has been able to criticize this effort. How would you feel if someone (just ONE) did that to you? How would you feel if you had your email published and an effort started to have your boss notified?
I'm all for peaceful protest and legitimate writing campaigns. There's nothing legitimate about harassment of a pastor driven by irrational hatred of a mom.
St., while their intent is horrible and they are malicious, I would hope the pastor isn't phased, just shakes his head and starts hitting the delete button.
I'd like to point out that petition to take this show closed Dec 31 with 711 sigs. Yes, they are mighty.
In addition to hoping the pastor isn't phased, I also hope he isn't fazed. :)
merryway said...It's nice to see good fortune happen and for people to succeed.
Merryway, your avatar is spot on. I love it!
In response to your quote, yes I agree and I think most posters here do too.
Isn't it sad that some people become angry and jealous at others success when it has nothing to do with them?
Wouldn't want to wake up and be *them* each morning.
I wish the haters would stop hiding behind the kids and just admit they hate Kate and want to see her taken down at any cost.
They don't care about those kids, it just sounds good to say so.
All the things they wish on Kate-divorce, bankruptcy, mental institution, CPS charges,etc- would be horrible for the kids.
Now they are talking about having "bad feelings" about the new house. They think one of the kids might drown in the pool, or fall over the stair railings, or wander away. They are always talking about the bad things that might befall the family because they want something bad to happen.
Anything, as long as it hurts Kate.
And,yes, I realize there are normal, sane people who question whether the show is a good idea.
I'm not talking about them. The people making fun of the kids and predicting dire futures for them are not child advocates.
I did not expect to be called mindless, bitter, mentally ill or any of the names that no more cowbell spewed. Seriously how is this any better than the other blog? Yesterday I was called a hater and jealous because I dared to question the use of those words. I did junior high 30-some years ago, I don't need a repeat. I guess the blogging world is not for me.
January 28, 2009 7:26 PM
Now you know how Kate probably feels! The posters at GWOP have said those things about Kate and some of the kids. It's disgusting!
I just got done reading some comments here about those freaks harrassing some pastor? That's crazy!
Can't that blog be flagged, reported, taken down? All they advocate on there is hatred, doing harm to others, slander, posting personal info, and the list goes on. I'm sure ALL of that is against blogger's (the sites) rules somewhere.
They have just gone totally crazy with all of this.
I really think someone needs to also inform the Gosselins of this craziness so that they can possibly persue taking legal action against these people and/or the site.
It's one thing to debate the issues at hand but that's not what they are doing. They've gone so far beyond that that they need to be shut down.
For the life of me I can't understand why you Mrs. Ref don't see the difference between critiquing posts from anonymous posters at a blog and verbally abusing real life people.
Because how ever mis-guided they may be, the people behind those annymous names are real people too. Have you ever given a moment's thought to that. And why is it okay for people here to go over there, read and report back on every single little thing. How does that make this blog superior to GWOP? Someone please just answer my question. Thank you.
I did not intend to be hurtful. I still do not see the difference in the conversation here and the conversation there. Yes, apparently their's has escalated into loonacy but I still feel that making fun is making fun. NMCB's answer was in direct response to what I said. You know, I am a real life person too with feelings, just like you claim Jon & kate are. And no, I did not "disingenuously" pretend the comment was about me so I can play the victim. I have a name,(Rhonda) a family (3 grown children and a grandbaby on the way) and a life just like all of you. I apologize for expressing and opinion.
Mrs Ref
Your question has been answered over and over again up thread. It is not the answer you are looking for. Might as well just let it go.
MrsRef said....
"Because how ever mis-guided they may be, the people behind those annymous names are real people too. Have you ever given a moment's thought to that."
Shouldn't you be over there asking this of them about the Gosselins? I mean, why is it ok for the posters over there to trash talk the Gosselins and people here but as soon as someone from here responds back, suddenly everyone should be concerned about feelings. Take your own advice then too.
MrsRef said....
"And why is it okay for people here to go over there, read and report back on every single little thing. How does that make this blog superior to GWOP? Someone please just answer my question. Thank you."
It doesn't make it supperior. But the difference is, at least when people here report what's going on over there they report it accurately. We don't come back and twist and turn their comments into falsities. Which is what EVERYONE there does with the Gosselins.
I finally see the light. I am not one of the popular girls so I can't play. Taking my ball and going home now.......
Mrs Ref,
Just a thought. I and my fellow posters and mods on this board are verbally attacked on a daily basis all over blog land. There are blogs also dedicated to bashing us. Since GWoP doesn't allow these people to have a board on board discussion there they go elsewhere or create their own board.
Fair enough. Doesn't bother me. I can guarantee you that I get a good laugh from it. We are not "real" people. We have fake names and no one knows where we live. Where we work. Who we are professionally. Our private lives are private.
That goes for the GWoP posters also.
We also are not calling their family members, their churches or their employers. We are not protesting how they make a living, no do we care. We are not publishing pictures of their home with the address on the internet or taking video as we drive by.
I have never once posted on a local news board asking for people to write in and give me information about this family. This list could go on for several more paragraphs but I think you truly know what is going on over there.
Again, this blog was started to discuss the show and the issues surrounding the show. What is going on at GWoP appears to be the biggest issue at hand right now.
I do not feel this blog is superior. Just different. And it is that kind of different that I want to participate in. It is where I want to be.
I apologize if someone here hurt your feelings. It wasn't the first time and I can not guarantee it will be the last. This is a heated topic at times.
I finally see the light. I am not one of the popular girls so I can't play. Taking my ball and going home now...
No sure what you really mean by this. Your posts get put through. You have a different opinion than most of the people that come here. Would you like me to attempt to force people to agree with you?
I will tell you who a real person is.
The pastor of that church. He didn't deserve that. Those are real people. He isn't hiding behind a blog or a screen name. Just doing his job. Living his life.
I wouldn't worry about it Nina. The problem with people from there is that they think if you question some, or all, of the things the Gosselins do that you have to do it in a vile, hateful manner.
It's not enough for them that some of us disagree with the way Kate yelled at the kids about the bedroom, or the way she orders Jon around at times. No. Instead they want us to go on and on and on about what a horrible abusive person she is because of it. And, fortunately, most of us here don't feel that way.
We can sit here and disagree about certain aspects of the show and family in a civil manner. And I think that that just kills them over there.
To them, you have to either love them or hate them. There can't be no middle ground. But, that's just not reality or the way most of us here feel.
MrsRef said...
I finally see the light. I am not one of the popular girls so I can't play. Taking my ball and going home now.......
Frankly, I saw this statement coming from your first post.
It didn't really matter what answers you got to your questions, now, did it?
MrsRef said...
I finally see the light. I am not one of the popular girls so I can't play. Taking my ball and going home now.......
So because people don't agree with you you're going to give up? That reminds me of a girl I knew in elementry school.
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