tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post1722997201621135349..comments2023-05-10T02:47:51.886-07:00Comments on GOSSELINS DO NOT NEED OUR PITY: The Today Show - Mom of Octuplets- InterviewUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-62327344029296272492009-02-08T08:37:00.000-08:002009-02-08T08:37:00.000-08:00Several people have commented on Nadya's plastic s...Several people have commented on Nadya's plastic surgery... This article tells more...<BR/><BR/>Nadya Suleman Is Angelina Jolie<BR/>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29058212/Quiltarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02934944084243509753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-1177862215774953912009-02-07T08:33:00.000-08:002009-02-07T08:33:00.000-08:00NMD,I agree a 110% with you on this. The whole thi...NMD,<BR/><BR/>I agree a 110% with you on this. The whole thing is nauseating.MonicaW42https://www.blogger.com/profile/00447849616188176760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-36377751183101647102009-02-07T08:03:00.000-08:002009-02-07T08:03:00.000-08:00First of all, I laughed out loud when this woman s...First of all, I laughed out loud when this woman said that she "knows" she will be able to support her children when she gets her masters (In COUNSELING).<BR/><BR/>I have a Master's in Counseling. I work ridiculous hours a week to support myself and have about 3 different jobs that I do. I make a lot less then you would think. The mental health field is not a lucrative field (especially in the beginning, before you are licensed). Hence, why I am planning to apply for more grad school to get a doctorate<BR/><BR/>(Yep, Peri, I said it...wanna quote me?) <BR/><BR/>There is no way a Master's in Counseling is even going to remotely help her support these kids. Not fourteen as a single mother. Not even 4. She'll keep scheming and scamming to make money and someone will give it to her. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile I think the fertility doctor should definitely be investigated.EveryoneLovesErinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430233139773353519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-90040040303923764462009-02-07T07:54:00.000-08:002009-02-07T07:54:00.000-08:00"Just because science CAN produce 6,7 or 8 babies,..."Just because science CAN produce 6,7 or 8 babies, does not mean it should."<BR/><BR/>ITA. Human beings were never intended to reproduce in litters. Before fertility treatments became available, a HOM birth was extremely rare, with a low survival rate. There's a reason for that: the female body is designed to carry one baby to term in order to provide the optimal environment for long-term health and survival. The fertility specialists who have been interviewed about this woman have said that the goal of fertility treatment is always to obtain a pregnancy for one healthy baby, although there's an increased risk for twins or even triplets, which also increase the risks to the mother and babies.<BR/><BR/>This woman said: "They're my embryos, I wanted them all implanted," and therein lies the problem. An ethical fertility specialist would have refused. If a woman has no regard for the risks to her own life as well as the embryos, one would hope every fertility specialist would refuse to do more than is appropriate for that woman's situation, and every specialist interviewed to date has said they can't imagine a scenario where 8 would be appropriate. But someone, somewhere abandoned any ethical considerations and did it anyway, which proves that professional ethics alone will not prevent an unethical procedure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-12039037104300777062009-02-07T06:06:00.000-08:002009-02-07T06:06:00.000-08:00I don't have as much contempt for her as I do the ...I don't have as much contempt for her as I do the doctor who did the procedures. To me, she seems misguided. The doctor -- possibly unethical. <BR/><BR/>Apparently, he is being investigated too. <BR/><BR/>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090207/ap_on_re_us/octuplets<BR/><BR/>By and large, fertility treatments are cash-only paying procedures. In the US there are no hard and fast rules only guidelines for fertility treatment, but the ethical standard is first "do no harm."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-55052708796676955242009-02-07T05:33:00.000-08:002009-02-07T05:33:00.000-08:00Just because science CAN produce 6,7 or 8 babies, ...<B>Just because science CAN produce 6,7 or 8 babies, does not mean it should.</B><BR/><BR/>I agree, Fiona. I am uncomfortable with many things science does. "Forced reductions" makes me sick. I don't want the government dictating how many embryos should be legal to implant because I don't want to police and enforce medicine. But this is a case of malpractice to me. The doctor who did this has no sense! He put his patients' lives at risk. "First do no harm?" <BR/><BR/>Yet other women in different circumstances would require different standards than this woman because of factors such as age or the cause of the infertility. So how do we write the law about this? <BR/><BR/>It's really a tricky situation, and I only see these things getting trickier. I am on the fence about the legality of all this. Posters have brought up excellent points for consideration.<BR/><BR/>I am not on the fence about the care of these kids. I am not opposed to her seeking the two million dollars because she needs money. She needs it. I would rather see the family receive specific items like clothes, food, diapers, electricity, a home, a car, car seats, etc. than money. <BR/><BR/>I didn't know how bad things were financially in CA. I haven't been following closely.<BR/><BR/>Of course I have no idea, but her lips look unnatural and the resemblance to A. Jolie makes me suspicious, too.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884219068017641778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-92110863453244956692009-02-07T05:11:00.000-08:002009-02-07T05:11:00.000-08:00I don't see any problem with having a spokeperson ...I don't see any problem with having a spokeperson or publicist. I'm sure she is getting tons if requests for interviews and such. She needs to focus her health and her children. Her parents haven't presented her in the best light so far. She would be smart not to trust them to evaluate requests. I guess I don't think that she is necessarily trying to get a reality show.<BR/><BR/>This situation is so unusual. I feel sorry for the women struggling with infertility and her being the public face of IVF. <BR/><BR/>... Typed from iPhone so spelling is wackedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-17325723207699234712009-02-07T02:44:00.000-08:002009-02-07T02:44:00.000-08:00I think she is delusional on multiple levels. It ...I think she is delusional on multiple levels. It irks me that she sees people are only reacting negatively to her because she is a single mother. That is just one aspect of this crazy drama. <BR/><BR/>What disturbed me most is how she made comments about what should it matter how many she has... she loves them all and takes the time to love them. First, how will you have time for 14 kids under the age of 7 and eight of them being preemies along with graduate school coursework? Second, Ann Curry mentioned that she spends a minimum of 45 minutes a day holding each baby. That adds up to a minimum of 6 hours a day. How much of their mom are the other 6 getting??<BR/><BR/>I think the miracle in all of this is that she was able to make it to 30 weeks and almost all of the babies had relatively strong lungs. I really do hope that this family faces minimal health complications, as that would compromise the mother's time even more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-141195896611523442009-02-06T21:30:00.000-08:002009-02-06T21:30:00.000-08:00Meaghan, great points on the plastic surgery sickn...Meaghan, great points on the plastic surgery sickness and mentally ill patients being able to articulate well even though they have mental illness. It is manipulative.<BR/><BR/>Reality hasn't set in and right now her octuplets are being cared for by doctors and nurses. She truly has no idea what's going to hit her. <BR/><BR/>I don't see why people (and I'm not talking about you, I mean people in general) would automatically assume that she's equipped to handle a reality tv show either. Or, that she's going to automatically get one. I would even think TLC would want to stay away from this lady. They have to be thinking about these same issues of what we all are talking about. Just because a woman has multiples, she shouldn't be made a candidate for a reality tv show. Or, that she's mentally and physically equipped to handle one. I see a lot of issues with this woman. Most of all, her not being equipped to properly take care of her 14 kids, let alone having cameras around. Recipe for disaster indeed.<BR/><BR/>Once again, I truly feel sorry for these children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-9194449543465793502009-02-06T21:21:00.000-08:002009-02-06T21:21:00.000-08:00Thank you, Anya. I like it too, as it reminds me o...Thank you, Anya. I like it too, as it reminds me of my grandfather (who called me Petunia, lol), and who would have kicked my behind into next year if I ever did something like this to his great grandchildren. <BR/><BR/>The Blogger issue seemed to be a firewall issue, and needed a reboot and some tinkering.Meaghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10841623752209663968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-24353788614335146152009-02-06T21:11:00.000-08:002009-02-06T21:11:00.000-08:00Indianprincess: I'm glad I don't live in Californi...<B> Indianprincess: I'm glad I don't live in California anymore because Cali tax payers are paying for her medical bills and all her 8babies. Sorry California. </B><BR/><BR/>We appreciate the sympathy, :-)<BR/><BR/>I had my taxes done early this year. I usually get a decent refund. This year it's $1,900 (which believe me I have spent 40 different ways). California has put a 30-day hold on all refunds, however, due to our cash shortage. I know it's my own fault. I should increase my deductions and not count on my little February windfall, but it's still aggravating considering it's my money.<BR/><BR/>Oh and many of our state workers are having to take two unpaid days a month to help with the budget crises. It's crazy.<BR/><BR/>So, I guess you can say from a selfish standpoint California taxpapers would appreciate a little help from whomever is interested in her story and wants to contribute.<BR/><BR/>Meaghan, you got your avatar. Looks great! I enjoyed your rant. I haven't made up my mind on all this yet, but I think you make some solid points.Anya@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277215288731619588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-66361571364845232782009-02-06T20:58:00.000-08:002009-02-06T20:58:00.000-08:00I feel sorry for this woman's parents. I don't kn...I feel sorry for this woman's parents. I don't know that they signed up for this. She acts like no one should question her choices. I saw a reporter talking to her mother, and she seemed less that thrilled. She already is taking care of the other six. Her parents appear to be the ones who are "present" for her children. Her interview was predominately about what "I" have always wanted. I think that says it all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-3034854262946721732009-02-06T20:40:00.000-08:002009-02-06T20:40:00.000-08:00Warning. I will be ranting.My first thought on see...Warning. I will be ranting.<BR/><BR/>My first thought on seeing Nadya Suleman was that she had obvious plastic surgery on her nose and lips. Yes, I could see a slight resemblance to Angelina Jolie, but in a grotesque, Michael Jackson way (was the c-section done via her mouth? Because her lips looked like Kate Gosselin's jowls of a dog to me) and I would not be flattered if I were AJ. I do not share the opinion that she is attractive or that the "camera loves her" for her photogenic qualities. I think ANY camera loves her for the story she is telling with them honed in on her. More false love. Excessive plastic surgery is a disorder in itself (even though she denies having any). Piggy back that on top of her insatiable need to have children in order to feel fulfilled, and there is a recipe for disaster. Again, little lives created that are completely innocent due to the lack of common sense and foresight by a wannabe supermom and an unethical doctor.<BR/><BR/>Keep in mind that she is probably on pain medication after her c-section, so might appear a bit calmer, mellow. Many mentally ill people can be extremely articulate as well as manipulative. If she had truly felt that she would be able to provide for them with her schooling, family, friends and church support, then why not just keep the privacy settings on your life as high as possible and get on with the task of raising them. One does NOT do a major television interview and hire a publicist if they aren't fishing for millions in lucrative TV deals a la sponsorships, reality shows, first photos, etc.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully whatever investigation that is going to be carried out will result in her getting help for that empty, unable-to-be-filled hole within, and allow those children, all 14 of them, to grow up without the rampant intrusiveness of a television crew and media attention. We do not need another show about multiples or other unusual or large families. Once a year specials would satiate the curiosity factor that this situation creates without disrupting little lives by filming all aspects, all the time. And I'm not even certain THAT is OK anymore.<BR/><BR/>End of rant. For now.Meaghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10841623752209663968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-60025004412675892562009-02-06T20:21:00.001-08:002009-02-06T20:21:00.001-08:00Sadly other people will be raising her children an...Sadly other people will be raising her children and paying for them as well. Someone has to watch the kids when she's in school and paying her bills when she's jobless. I think this mother is selfish of her lifelong dream to being a mother of a large abode and she's expecting her family, friends and her church to pay for everything. I feel sorry for her. I'm glad I don't live in California anymore because Cali tax payers are paying for her medical bills and all her 8 babies. Sorry California.Darlene Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00707107140495194974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-40228615865033244082009-02-06T20:21:00.000-08:002009-02-06T20:21:00.000-08:00Here's an AP Q&A article that I just found...Here's an AP Q&A article that I just found. It seems pretty straightfoward, but still a lot of questions are unanswered concerning this lady.<BR/><BR/>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gk5KXq2_U9mK8pC35kWUdRweEY0QD966ACG00Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-10320361757191921442009-02-06T19:30:00.000-08:002009-02-06T19:30:00.000-08:00I watched the online clips of the interview. I'm ...I watched the online clips of the interview. I'm not sure what to think about her. She seemed to have her stuff together but how together can you be when facing raising 14 kids on your own? I'd be a basket case!Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721725050355310577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-72323319558018136142009-02-06T19:13:00.000-08:002009-02-06T19:13:00.000-08:00VOR said... Two totally unrelated observationsDid ...VOR said... <BR/>Two totally unrelated observations<BR/><BR/>Did anyone else think she looked like Angelie Jolie? <BR/>______________<BR/><BR/>Yes VOR, the first time I saw her, that's exactly what I thought....she resembles Angelina Jolie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-90022979546333300902009-02-06T18:54:00.000-08:002009-02-06T18:54:00.000-08:00I read that she has two sets of twins among the oc...I read that she has two sets of twins among the octuplets. How rare is that?Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02246820817579811578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-7271460434654813342009-02-06T18:34:00.000-08:002009-02-06T18:34:00.000-08:00"She probably didn't adopt because she wouldn't qu..."She probably didn't adopt because she wouldn't qualify. The rules are really strict for adoption."<BR/><BR/>The adoption screening process probably would have uncovered this woman's obsession with having babies to fulfill whatever she believes she didn't have in her less than ideal childhood. That would be a red flag in any psychological evaluation about the prospective parent's ability to focus on the needs of the children versus their own unresolved issues.<BR/><BR/>This woman had six children and still pursued a HOM pregnancy that endangered not only the lives of the unborn children, but her own life as well, with no regard for potentially leaving her 6 children without a mother if she hadn't survived the dangerous pregnancy. I think the fact that she had so little regard for her existing children that she would pursue this risky pregnancy when she was the only parent in their lives indicates more than poor judgment on her part.<BR/><BR/>The Associated Press has uncovered quite a bit of information about this woman that indicates the image she's attempting to create for herself in the media is just that, an image, not the reality. According to documents obtained by the AP from the CA Division of Worker's Compensation, she received a total of $165,000 in payments for an on the job back injury that she claimed left her in "near constant pain" and unable to work between 2002-2008. And yet during this same time, she had several pregnancies. How does someone who's unable to work due to near constant back pain carry one pregnancy after another, including one with HOMs?<BR/><BR/>Fortunately, the CA Medical Board is investigating the circumstances of this birth, and I hope there will be further investigations into this woman's ability to provide the necessary care and support for 8 newborns and 6 children under 7 years old. <BR/><BR/>AP article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090207/ap_on_re_us/octupletsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-73640547591115160872009-02-06T17:54:00.000-08:002009-02-06T17:54:00.000-08:00I think there exists a strong ethical issue here t...<B>I think there exists a strong ethical issue here that will ultimately come down to women who choose fertility treatments be more carefully evaluated and even perhaps mandating how many fetus' a woman can safely carry.</B><BR/><BR/>Hi Fiona, I agree that there should definitley be a limit on how many eggs can be implanted (I dont know what the limit is currently) but once the fetus is there it shouldnt be up to the doctor as to whether or not the mother can carry it. Personally, I couldnt bring myself to reduction. It would be a hard decision for anyone I imagineSamantha@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277929176284771513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-17591472478164929272009-02-06T16:35:00.000-08:002009-02-06T16:35:00.000-08:00Fiona,She probably didn't adopt because she wouldn...Fiona,<BR/><BR/>She probably didn't adopt because she wouldn't qualify. The rules are really strict for adoption.<BR/><BR/>I try not to judge her. She is going to a very busy mom with all those kids though. I sure hope that once all the babies are home that she has plenty of help. I just can't imagine having to take care of eight infants.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02246820817579811578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-40050246602648941792009-02-06T16:20:00.000-08:002009-02-06T16:20:00.000-08:00Didn't remind me of Angie Jolie, but if she wanted...Didn't remind me of Angie Jolie, but if she wanted a big family wonder why she didn't adopt?FIONAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027241302948571151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-25098310526970034262009-02-06T16:01:00.000-08:002009-02-06T16:01:00.000-08:00I have nothing bad to say about this mom. More inf...I have nothing bad to say about this mom. More info needed. She is pretty, she speaks softly and with intelligence....I cannot say anything unkind about a mom seen for just a few minutes on TV. When she's been on TV as long as Kate, I'm sure we will all be more able to state an opinion.Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15006099582027100854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-91160322411762603572009-02-06T15:59:00.000-08:002009-02-06T15:59:00.000-08:00Two totally unrelated observationsDid anyone else ...Two totally unrelated observations<BR/><BR/>Did anyone else think she looked like Angelie Jolie? Why do I think she had plastic surgery?<BR/><BR/>Generally I am opposed to government getting involved in medical decisions. The countries that limit IVF transfers to 1 or 2 also have national health insurance. Wonen in US mostly pay for IVF themselves so there is financial pressure to get a bigger bang for the buck. That being said, the current medical practice is 1 or 2 with up to 4 after failed cycles. There is a high rate of twinning with IVF. Certain procedures such as assisted hatching can raise rate to 10%. It would be very bold to lie on national TV but I still wonder if she used black market fertility drugs and artificial insemination. I find it hard to believe that's doctor would transfer 6 each time! That doctor should lose their license. It is so odd that she just showed up at kaiser like that.<BR/><BR/>I think my cold medicine is making me think of these conspiracy theories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-48197764846168871722009-02-06T15:23:00.000-08:002009-02-06T15:23:00.000-08:00I think there exists a strong ethical issue here t...I think there exists a strong ethical issue here that will ultimately come down to women who choose fertility treatments be more carefully evaluated and even perhaps mandating how many fetus' a woman can safely carry. I also believe that you need to provide financial proof that you can pay for your own care and the care of all the babies in the NICU. I firmly feel that is not something that the government should be expected to cover.<BR/><BR/>Nine lives were at stake, and while we don't know how many embryos were implanted, at some point in time when does medical advice become legally mandated and reduction is forced? <BR/><BR/>The likelihood is the children will have medical issues and that cost, including her pregnancy is absorbed by tax payers.<BR/><BR/>Just because science CAN produce 6,7 or 8 babies, does not mean it should.FIONAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03027241302948571151noreply@blogger.com