tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post7417820146414998742..comments2023-05-10T02:47:51.886-07:00Comments on GOSSELINS DO NOT NEED OUR PITY: I’ll Take My Sanity over your…….Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger155125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-53655451420029741972008-09-29T09:22:00.000-07:002008-09-29T09:22:00.000-07:00Anonymous, I can see your point about choices,...Anonymous,<BR/> <BR/>I can see your point about choices, and I can understand your reasoning for why you believe the kids would be better off without a show. Thanks for replying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-72462673293496825362008-09-28T18:15:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:15:00.000-07:00Glo,Yes, I totally see where you're coming from. I...Glo,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I totally see where you're coming from. I use to say the same thing...show or no show, the kids still have the same parents. I just can not agree with airing the kids' lives when the kids have no say in the decision making. Hence why I do not watch.<BR/><BR/>I think the big fat elephant in the room is the fact they have 8 kids. How many of us have 8 kids? I have 2 kids, could I do 6 more and still be reasonably functional? Probably not, but that's why I didn't have 8 kids.<BR/><BR/>I still think in the long run, treatment, family support and adult jobs is the way to go. Would it be hard, yes, but life is hard. Also, when the Gosselins decided on a large family they had to know and accept that their road would require more work than the average family. Not necessarily fair but a clear reality. Remember, the Gosselins chose this reality. It was not forced on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-86770064698756370822008-09-28T08:51:00.000-07:002008-09-28T08:51:00.000-07:00Anonymous, Thanks for responding to my post. ...Anonymous,<BR/> Thanks for responding to my post. It is nice to be able to have calm discussion about this show and the surrounding issues, whether the individuals involved agree or disagree.<BR/><BR/>Regarding your comment:<BR/>"'The show contributes to Kate's anxiety.' Therefore, stopping the show would decrease the overall stress in that household."<BR/><BR/>I would agree that the show does contribute to Kate's anxiety, but stopping the show might not decrease the total stress. If the show ended, I assume J&K would have to get jobs outside of the home in order to support their family, which in today's economy, would be quite difficult. I am not arguing whether or not J&K should or should not be working outside the home, rather that stopping the show would add other stressors to their lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-88849837245752192422008-09-26T17:06:00.000-07:002008-09-26T17:06:00.000-07:00Darn It, PP, I forgot 1 other thing in response to...Darn It, PP, I forgot 1 other thing in response to, "WHO CARES". Many people care about the kids and their environment. I am no longer a viewer, because I believe that it's wrong to be a voyeur in those kids' lives, but as a compassionate person I do care about how others (especially those who are minors or marginalized in any way) are treated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-38380255150689737992008-09-26T16:43:00.000-07:002008-09-26T16:43:00.000-07:00Glo,Thanks for your response. It's nice to see tha...Glo,<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks for your response. It's nice to see that we are able to disagree respectfully.<BR/><BR/>I tend to agree that the behaviors that we observe in this famliy are going to remain no matter what, and yes, without treatment that house will remain dysfunction. However, I do wholeheartedly agree with PP who states that, "The show contributes to Kate's anxiety." Therefore, stopping the show would decrease the overall stress in that household. Again, treatment and counseling still remain 100% necessary for positive, healthy outcomes to be achieved.<BR/><BR/><BR/>PP, No I'm not the person who has a thing for mud and worms....And you must be kidding....Kate's reaction(or over) to the ice cream vs clothing was over-the-top by any functional adults' opinion. Please do not tell me that you could see yourself reacting in a similar fashion. As a medical professional, I must caution you that type of behavior is a big-old-red-flag in the medical community and is most certainly not ok. Let's also keep in mind that this type of behavior is not any isolated incident with Kate. It's her typical, go- to response. Think: WDW(ice cream), Joelgate(vomit), Gumgate (gum), Crayola (markers), Cupcake Gate (frosting) and on and on....I'm sorry there's just nooooo defending this behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-10849339848503594282008-09-26T14:40:00.000-07:002008-09-26T14:40:00.000-07:00Glo: Stopping the show would most likely reduce t...Glo: Stopping the show would most likely reduce the stress level in that house, relieve some of Kate's anxiety and take them off of everyone's radar so they can live an ordinary life. Look at J&K in the beginning and now. Yes, they have material things now but they just seem so different and not in a good way. They actually seemed loving when they were sitting on the bed folding laundry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-21242542594647215532008-09-26T14:33:00.000-07:002008-09-26T14:33:00.000-07:00Anonymous2:01: Actually I think the kids did give...Anonymous2:01: Actually I think the kids did give a crap that mom was "snippy" at Disney World. Watch the footage, they are all screaming and crying because they wanted ice cream and she was yelling that one of them was "ruined." That was seriously an over the top moment. Contrast that with footage of the tups first birthday party when one of them, I believe it was Alexis or Leah was covering her little face with icing and having a grand old time - mom wasn't yelling then. It was actually cute to watch.MrsRefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796830470013840532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-32236964433227190392008-09-26T14:04:00.000-07:002008-09-26T14:04:00.000-07:00Anonymous @ 8:36 a.m.Thanks for replying. I do ha...Anonymous @ 8:36 a.m.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for replying. I do have some further clarifications for discussion, if you're willing.<BR/><BR/>"The total absence of close friends and family."<BR/><BR/>This would be total absence from the show, but this does not necessarily mean total absence from their lives. I realize this is a "reality" show, but that does not mean that everyone who knows and interacts with the Gosselins are willing to participate in the show, and honestly, with all of the ensuing negativity, I can't blame them.<BR/><BR/>"The sudden exclusion of family and friends who, 'love our children'. as quoted numerous times by Kate."<BR/><BR/>Would this have happened regardless if the show was in existence? I don't know, but it seems that many people purportedly "in the know" have said the J&K have done this before the show even existed. Without knowing all of the details involved in the situations with Beth (no info on either side that I'm aware of) and Jodi (Julie's p.o.v. on this issue), it is difficult to make any good judgment.<BR/><BR/>"Sign on a door, multiple hands on camera len, and door slammings to avoid being filmed by the camera (7 year old)."<BR/><BR/>I can agree that this is a sign that Maddy may have issues with being filmed, but on the other hand, there are several occasions where she plays up and mugs to the camera.<BR/> <BR/>"Too numerous to count tantrums (by all children and 1 adult female)."<BR/><BR/>In my experience as a teacher, the tantrums by the children are completely normal behavior for children their ages and not indicative to psychological damage by the show. As far as Kate goes, she is overly dramatic and anxious, and I believe she would behave in this fashion even if cameras weren't present.<BR/><BR/>"Vomiting (1 4 year old). Also reported incidents of daily vomiting for over 1 year. Report was given by the mother."<BR/><BR/>I have a niece that had this problem from the ages of 2-4. She would get herself so worked up and upset that she would gag and sometimes vomit. According to the doctor, this was not a a major concern, since she did not do it after every meal, and she did grow out of it. If I recall, Kate mentioned that Leah tended to do this when J&K were leaving (e.g. Sunday school at church), so it may be a reaction from severe separation anxiety. Would this still occur without a show? Quite possibly.<BR/><BR/>"Overt favoritism of certain children. (by mother)"<BR/><BR/>I don't personally don't find this to be as apparent as some others do, but, once again, would this be any different without the show?<BR/><BR/>"Numerous recorded accounts of verbal genderism. (by mother and reinforced by father)"<BR/><BR/>I think this would remain the same with or without the show.<BR/><BR/>"Inappropriate reaction to interruption in air travel d/t weather related problems. 1 adult female"<BR/><BR/>Inappropriate reaction is most likely due to Kate's personality, and not necessarily due to the T.V. show. Whether or not it was inappropriate depends on one's point of view. <BR/><BR/>"Kate is anxious, this causes her to react with tantrums and verbal assaults (lack of typical coping skills). This behavior isolates her (and the family) from other people, both family and friends alike. Jon follows the path of least resistance and placates Kate and her behaviors. He may not agree with her, but by remaining silent he contributes to and reinforces the dysfunction."<BR/><BR/>Again, I see this as personality issues, not so much issues with the show.<BR/><BR/>"What kind of help do I think they need? See above and you do the math. First and foremost, stop the show."<BR/><BR/>IMO, all of the above issues save the first that you pointed out are related to the personalities of the people involved, and not necessarily a result of the show. How would stopping the show "fix" any of these issues?<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your input.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-18007818996017008862008-09-26T14:01:00.000-07:002008-09-26T14:01:00.000-07:00Is going to WDW and not being allowed to enjoy ice...<B>Is going to WDW and not being allowed to enjoy ice cream on a hot day any better for a 3 year than playing in the mud at home? </B><BR/>What is it with some people and mud? Are you the same poster on GWoP who talked about eating mud and worms? A child can exist in a world where they have not eaten horse shit, worms, and parasites. <BR/><BR/>As if the kids really gave a crap that mom was snippy when they were eating ice cream. WHO CARES??????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-69574852261010270292008-09-26T08:36:00.000-07:002008-09-26T08:36:00.000-07:00The total absence of close friends and family.The ...The total absence of close friends and family.<BR/><BR/>The sudden exclusion of family and friends who, "love our children". as quoted numerous times by Kate.<BR/><BR/>Sign on a door, multiple hands on camera len, and door slammings to avoid being filmed by the camera (7 year old).<BR/><BR/>Too numerous to count tantrums (by all children and 1 adult female).<BR/><BR/>Vomiting (1 4 year old). Also reported incidents of daily vomiting for over 1 year. Report was given by the mother.<BR/><BR/>Overt favoritism of certain children. (by mother)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Numerous recorded accounts of verbal genderism. (by mother and reinforced by father)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Inappropriate reaction to interruption in air travel d/t weather related problems. 1 adult female<BR/><BR/><BR/>Kate is anxious, this causes her to react with tantrums and verbal assaults (lack of typical coping skills). This behavior isolates her (and the family) from other people, both family and friends alike. Jon follows the path of least resistance and placates Kate and her behaviors. He may not agree with her, but by remaining silent he contributes to and reinforces the dysfunction. <BR/><BR/>What kind of help do I think they need? See above and you do the math. First and foremost, stop the show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-5599434434528315382008-09-26T07:51:00.000-07:002008-09-26T07:51:00.000-07:00Anonymous @ 6:31 p.m."I think J&K +8 illu...Anonymous @ 6:31 p.m.<BR/><BR/>"I think J&K +8 illustrates weekly just how detrimental this show is to every member of their family."<BR/><BR/>Can you give an example? I am not trying to be snarky, I am really curious as to what you see as illustrations of determents to the family's well-being.<BR/><BR/>"...J/K will get the help they need sooner rather than later..."<BR/><BR/>What kind of help do you think they need?<BR/><BR/>Thanks in advance for clarifying your position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-33553881619262792952008-09-25T18:31:00.000-07:002008-09-25T18:31:00.000-07:00Anya, Thankfully we can agree to disagree. Too ba...Anya,<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Thankfully we can agree to disagree. Too bad K/J do not possess the skills necessary to determine that this show is NOT enhancing their children's lives. In fact, I think J&K +8 illustrates weekly just how detrimental this show is to every member of their family. Hopefully, J/K will get the help they need sooner rather than later, and get back to supporting their family in a manner that is healthy for all 10 of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-23439006554334281812008-09-25T17:10:00.000-07:002008-09-25T17:10:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... "Yes,I use to view weekly, but f...Anonymous said...<B> "Yes,I use to view weekly, but for me, I just deduced that me watching was contributing to the exploitation as I was only watching to see the cute kids." </B><BR/><BR/>Good for you. Can you get the word out to fellow like-minded folks that they are NOT required to watch a show that they dislike and/or are uncomfortable with?<BR/><BR/><B> "I challenge any true supporter to show me any indication that this show is enriching these kids' lives 1 iota." </B><BR/><BR/>I think your challenge is a bit out of my league. Thankfully, I consider it J&K's (the parents) job to determine whether the benefits outweigh the costs for their kids.<BR/><BR/><B> "The G's do not possess any material things that we do not also own" </B><BR/><BR/>Whew, glad to hear that. I was concerned.<BR/><BR/><B> "Lastly, I hope that protections are in place so that these kids have some income to show for all the work that they've done. People with jobs in the USA have laws in place that govern the workplace...the Gosselin kids deserve those protections as well." </B><BR/><BR/>Agreed.Anya@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277215288731619588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-54549050364940135932008-09-25T14:42:00.000-07:002008-09-25T14:42:00.000-07:00Not a hater and certainly not a supporter,Yes,I us...Not a hater and certainly not a supporter,<BR/><BR/>Yes,I use to view weekly, but for me, I just deduced that me watching was contributing to the exploitation as I was only watching to see the cute kids.<BR/><BR/>I challenge any true supporter to show me any indication that this show is enriching these kids' lives 1 iota. Is going to WDW and not being allowed to enjoy ice cream on a hot day any better for a 3 year than playing in the mud at home? Is having a film crew in your home better than having loving grandparents in your home? Is having 2 parents working opposite shifts, ensuring that 1 parent is always at home to tend to your needs worse than being forced to provide 80% of your family's income when you're less than 10 years old?<BR/><BR/>I am not jealous...my husband and I have the number of kids that we calculated that WE could support on OUR(parental) incomes. The G's do not possess any material things that we do not also own...it's not the things that they have that I disagree with... it's how they obtain these things. How can anyone support the use of minor children as a vehicle for supporting a family? Lastly, I hope that protections are in place so that these kids have some income to show for all the work that they've done. People with jobs in the USA have laws in place that govern the workplace...the Gosselin kids deserve those protections as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-34467076002241281342008-09-24T14:17:00.000-07:002008-09-24T14:17:00.000-07:00MCB and Guin, you guys are comedy genius. Of cours...MCB and Guin, you guys are comedy genius. <BR/><BR/>Of course, in fairness, you have golden material to work with!Anya@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277215288731619588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-20540404250724289352008-09-24T10:30:00.000-07:002008-09-24T10:30:00.000-07:00But really, this horse is soooo dead at this point...<B>But really, this horse is soooo dead at this point. The Society for the Protection of Dead Horses has asked us to please stop beating her.</B><BR/><BR/>Guin, I fear that only PETA will be able to handle the herd of dead horses that is beaten to death at GWoP. Actually, it may be beyond their capabilities, because the GWoPpers not only beat them, they ship 'em to the Elmer's factory on the Hot Air Express.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-28621739160711087412008-09-24T10:10:00.000-07:002008-09-24T10:10:00.000-07:00Yes. The money earned from the sale of the kids' c...<B>Yes. The money earned from the sale of the kids' clothes was FREE MONEY since they didn't pay for the clothes. Then they got paid to film the episode. Regardless of how much was donated to charity, the truth is that the Go$$elins donated NOTHING out of their own pocket.</B><BR/><BR/>See class, this is an example of wanting it both ways. Or looking for something to complain about. Or hypocrisy. Or all of the above. <BR/><BR/>You complain if the Gosselin's sell their kids clothes at consignment because they're profiting off something they got for free. But, when they don't send it to consignment and instead give it to charity, you STILL whine and complain. It DOESN'T MATTER that they didn't pay for the items. They are NOT profiting from the resale of them. The CHARITY IS. <BR/><BR/>Besides, how you you know for a fact that only "freebie" clothes went to that charitable garage sale? I'm willing to bet it was a combination of freebie and boughten clothing. <BR/><BR/>There is an organization in our town that has a yearly garage sale at a local church hall. They ask for donations and the money earned goes to the charities and scholarships they support. You mean to tell me that if I donate something that was gifted to me (which if you're donating a bunch of stuff, chances are you didn't buy everything you're getting rid of), that I'm a bad person for doing so? Who gives a crap? It's ALL GOING TO CHARITY whether I bought it or not. SOMEONE other than myself is BENEFITING. Whether it be a disadvantaged family getting some name brand clothing at a discounted price at the garage sale, or the charity that gets the money in the end. <BR/><BR/>Hey, look at that. TWO groups actually benefit from my freebie!<BR/><BR/>So, let's review so I can get this straight. The Gosselin's shouldn't sell things at consignment because they're profiting. But they also shouldn't donate the same things to charity because they were probably free to begin with so it didn't cost the Gosselins anything. Okay. So, what should they do with those perfectly usable items that would benefit someone else? Hang onto them even though they've all out grown them? Burn them? Toss them in the landfill? Oh yeah. That makes perfect sense. <BR/><BR/>Except not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-81669866485216726162008-09-24T01:18:00.000-07:002008-09-24T01:18:00.000-07:00Okay, it's late, but I wanted to respond to some s...Okay, it's late, but I wanted to respond to some stuff, but I'm going to attempt to be brief (ha!).<BR/><BR/><B>You didn't ask me to prove that they go to a consignment store regularly, just that they go. I have never stated that the Gosselin's have taken every piece of clothing to the consignment store. </B><BR/><BR/>Well, maybe this was a misunderstanding (I sure don't want to follow the thread of the conversation back to try to prove anything one way or another). I believe some people said that Kate takes everything to consignment - maybe Penn Mommy or Julie. My impression was certainly not just that you were saying she'd gone there once or twice. But really, this horse is soooo dead at this point. The Society for the Protection of Dead Horses has asked us to please stop beating her.<BR/><BR/><B>Nope not at all. What I am saying is if I see something that Jon and Kate do on TV, and Penn Mom and Julie mention something that corresponds with what I see, it is more than likely that it is possible.</B><BR/><BR/>I think to a degree we all see confirmation of what we want to believe and ignore evidence to the contrary. I just take issue with the word "truth", because it's so absolute. And because none of us, as far as I know, are close enough to any of the parties involved to really know the truth - all we're getting is second-or-third hand accounts from people who are prejudiced one way or another (and yes, I would include J&K in that description).<BR/><BR/><B>Just to be clear, are you stating that just because GwOpers do it to Kate, that justifies you doing it to Julie? That 2 wrongs make a right? Or that you are not as bad as the people who call Kate bitch because you only refer to Julie as sleazy?</B><BR/><BR/>My first reaction was to say no; it bugged me when the GWoPpers were saying that it was okay for them to call the Gosselin kids "oafish", "future serial killer", etc., because what their parents were doing to them was just So Much Worse. <BR/><BR/>But what I'm really trying to say: look, I don't pretend that my calling Julie names is nice or noble. It's a low-grade level of bitchiness, and I can live with myself for it. If Kate Gossein were getting the sort of criticism I have given Julie, I doubt this blog would exist. I know I wouldn't be spending the time on it that I have! It's because the behavior of the GWoPpers (at least some of them) is so egregiously bad, mean, inappropriate, etc. that any counter-movement (such as it is; I hate to even use such pretentious phrases in regards to a reality show. Did I mention it's late?) has even sprung up.<BR/><BR/>So, no, I am not saying that it's okay for me to call Julie names because Kate gets called worse names. I'm saying it's okay (sorta, kinda) to call people the sort of names I've called Julie. It's okay to call Kate those names. It's not okay to call CPS or the IRS on her, to harrass ministers, to drive by her house and take pictures, to repeat every nasty rumor you hear about her as fact on the internet, to call her a monster, to say that she doesn't love her kids. Etc., etc., etc. I have a line for acceptable bitchiness and some of the anti-Gosselinites have stepped far, far beyond that line. <BR/><BR/><B>I'm not saying that you don't have some points about Julie. What I am saying is the you are engaging in the same behavior that you find reprehensible in the haters. I don't see much balance in your posts either.</B><BR/><BR/>Again, I see it as a matter of degrees. Hell, even if were just the worst of the name calling, I'd care a lot less. It's the interfering with the Gosselins' lives that I really find reprehensible. <BR/><BR/>I try to be as balanced as possible - I mean, I'm willing to admit when I agree on a point (like, 40-50 eps is probably too many, or Kate really needs to unclench sometimes). But if I'm not balanced, it's because the level of vitriol makes me feel like I have to defend Kate (and Jon, to a lesser degree), all the time. I just don't feel like voluntarily joining a pile-on, you know? It's not fun for me.<BR/><BR/>Or possibly, I'm just an argumentative beeyotch. <BR/><BR/><B>And again, if Penn Mom and Julie are telling the truth what they say really can't be considered to be malicious gossip. So since it can't be proven either way, is it fair, is it within your facts to call it malicious since you indeed can't prove that it is malicious?</B><BR/><BR/>Alert: possible nitpicking, over-parsing and annoying certain other posters ahead. <BR/><BR/>I think it's fair to call what Julie and Penn Mommy have been doing gossip, absolutely. Gossip doesn't have to be false, does it? So it doesn't matter if it's true or not; I consider it gossip (it's now WAY too late to start looking up the dictionary definition of words, and anyway, isn't it kind of annoying when people do that?).<BR/><BR/>And at least in Julie's case, I definitely consider it malicious. True, I don't know what's in Julie's heart, but going by what I've seen of her online? I think she haaaates Kate Gosselin. Like, wouldn't spit on her if she were on fire hate. That's just my opinion, of course, but I would definitely say Julie has malice towards Kate. <BR/><BR/><B>Personally, I am hoping I could channel your tenacity for my own court case! I got a ticket at one of those Red Light enforcement camera things - however I was making a right hand turn and there were no signs stating there is no turn on red.<BR/><BR/>However, on the back of the form, under the rules to contest the ticket, it basically says that if you haven't sold the car or reported the car stolen, you're screwed. There's absolutely nothing about what to do if it's their error. That's why I hoping if I take it to a Judge I can plead my case - I think if I contest it in written it will just get rejected.<BR/></B><BR/><BR/>aap, that sucks! Is that even constitutional? You should have some redress; it really doesn't seem right that you wouldn't.<BR/><BR/>I fought a ticket once, also regarding making a right turn on red. I had stopped at a red light, waited for some pedestrians, and then turned, and got pulled over by a motorcycle cop who insisted that I had made a Hollywood stop. WHICH I TOTALLY HADN'T DONE! I had been waiting a good 30 seconds before the pedestrians cleared. It was obvious he hadn't even really seen what had happened. I was so mad, I started crying, and he was all, "what are you crying about?" and of course, I couldn't be all, "because you're dumbshit who stops people and tickets them for things that they DIDN'T DO!"<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I got my day in court, but it was rather deflating - it turned out he'd never technically put the ticket in the system. It would've been nice if they'd let me know that before I made a court date and took off work and all that. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, I hope your ticket gets resolved! When people say, "it's not the money, it's the principle", it's usually the money. But in cases like this, it's both, and it would be really unfair if you had to pay the ticket.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Next, I am going to challenge Guin to find something nice to say about Julie :-)</B><BR/><BR/>Pfft. That's easy. I believe Julie really loves her sister. Much like J&K in relation to their kids, I believe that Julie is not intentionally harming Jodi. She's just misguided. And kind of a bitch. (What? You didn't say I had to say ONLY nice things about her.)Guineverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594898905741204155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-67881128425008005352008-09-23T21:47:00.000-07:002008-09-23T21:47:00.000-07:00AAP, as a another Judge Judy lover, I think you sh...AAP, as a another Judge Judy lover, I think you should *insist* on allowing your case to be heard in her court.<BR/><BR/>Unlike your local county government, she isn't looking to make a buck off of you. You might even make some dough on this! (That's the only reason I can figure some of these people show up to plead their cases).<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I wish you luck fighting "the man"!<BR/><BR/>Anya<BR/><BR/>P.S. And I appreciated you coming up with a few nice things to say about Kate. Next, I am going to challenge Guin to find something nice to say about Julie :-)Anya@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277215288731619588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-29410258557294529012008-09-23T20:34:00.000-07:002008-09-23T20:34:00.000-07:00NMD -I did exactly that yesterday! You can even s...NMD -<BR/><BR/>I did exactly that yesterday! You can even see in the pictures that they sent me that there is no signage on the poles. <BR/><BR/>However, on the back of the form, under the rules to contest the ticket, it basically says that if you haven't sold the car or reported the car stolen, you're screwed. There's absolutely nothing about what to do if it's their error. That's why I hoping if I take it to a Judge I can plead my case - I think if I contest it in written it will just get rejected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-42502368980089381222008-09-23T20:15:00.000-07:002008-09-23T20:15:00.000-07:00Actually AAP,You're case against the ticket is str...Actually AAP,<BR/>You're case against the ticket is stronger than your case against the Gosselins and consigning. Judge Judy would be proud :-)<BR/><BR/>I say, go back to that intersection and take pictures ASAP. You can prove that a reasonable person could not have known this was a rule since it was not posted. You definitely have a case, get to snapping some pics...<BR/><BR/>:-)EveryoneLovesErinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430233139773353519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-39444090866021172272008-09-23T19:05:00.000-07:002008-09-23T19:05:00.000-07:00Guinevere -Personally, I am hoping I could channel...Guinevere -<BR/><BR/>Personally, I am hoping I could channel your tenacity for my own court case! I got a ticket at one of those Red Light enforcement camera things - however I was making a right hand turn and there were no signs stating there is no turn on red.<BR/><BR/>So technically, I did go through a red light but if there is no sign stating that I can't make a right hand turn on red?....well, I think I'm screwed out of $100 anyway. But I'm still going to try. NDM, like Judge Judy says, ignorance of the law is no excuse, and I'm sure they're going to pull a secret law stating that "you can't turn on red on Tuesdays when you are driving a silver minivan" against me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-51859102159770099222008-09-23T18:56:00.000-07:002008-09-23T18:56:00.000-07:00NMD -However, I did not indicate that the clothes ...NMD -<BR/><BR/>However, I did not indicate that the clothes she gets for free (Gap and Gymboree) are the only clothes the kids have, and therefore can state I never said ALL of their clothes go to a consignment store.<BR/><BR/>Consignment stores generally only take the better brands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-10214614872351610212008-09-23T17:45:00.000-07:002008-09-23T17:45:00.000-07:00And AAP...You said You didn't ask me to prove that...And AAP...You said <B>You didn't ask me to prove that they go to a consignment store regularly, just that they go. I have never stated that the Gosselin's have taken every piece of clothing to the consignment store.</B><BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to butt in here but this is simply not true. <BR/><BR/>You said <B>However, up to now, Kate has chosen to take the clothes she gets for free and sell them at a consignment store for her profit.</B><BR/><BR/>and Guin said <B>Is there proof of this </B> and followed it up by saying that she doesn't care what the family does with their possessions but she'd like to see proof that Kate takes the clothes she gets for free and consigns them. <BR/><BR/>You're answer? "She had consignment shop on her to-do list" oh, and Julie and Penn Mommy said. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't think that any of us would be going back and forth with you if your argument had been that she goes to the consignment shop. I GO to the mall, it doesn't mean I own a kiosk. I GO to the gym, it doesn't make me a body builder. Do you see the difference?EveryoneLovesErinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430233139773353519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-57951990826905620742008-09-23T17:40:00.000-07:002008-09-23T17:40:00.000-07:00I don't know why the shift has focused from the ch...<B>I don't know why the shift has focused from the children's clothes to Kate's. When I think of "consignment" I was under the impression that Kate was selling the children's clothing.</B><BR/>I meant the children's clothing. I didn't mean Kate's own clothing. Sorry I didn't specify Kate's kids but that's what I meant.<BR/><BR/><B>So if I was defending this "consignment case" in her court room, for evidence I would have the to do list on their tv show, and Penn Mommy because I believe she can state first hand that she saw the clothes that were going to be sent to the consignment store. Maybe Penn Mommy hasn't proven her credibility with you, but I am pretty certain she is who she says she is. (I agree I couldn't use Julie's comments because that would be heresay.)</B><BR/><BR/>LOL! Well, I was using the analogy of a criminal trial, where the burden of proof rests on the state to prove their case BEYOND a reasonable doubt. An item on a to-do list and non-credible witnesses do not prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. You may personally be satisfied that Penn Mommy is who she says she is but a judge and jury are not going to just take her word for it. If you had to wager your life on whether you believe Penn Mommy is telling the truth, would you be confident enough to make that wager?<BR/><BR/>Technically, in a civil courtroom like Judge Judy's, you don't have to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt, but you do have to provide a preponderance of evidence to suggest your claim against a defendant. If this case went before my girl Judge Judy, she'd probably say "WHO CARES...DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YEARS OF POST GRADUATE EDUCATION I HAVE" (LOL, something she said on one of her most recent episodes). No, seriously, though, she'd question your witnesses and make them wish they never showed up to court. You know what you need to prove your case? Itemized receipts from the consignment shops that show exactly which items they have sold. In addition, you'd need proof that the items sold were gifts (like receipts from the gift-givers and accounts of when the gifts were given) and evidence to show that there is a pattern of receiving gifts and selling them. Then, do you know what Judge Judy would say "If you don't like what she does with a gift DON'T GIVE HER ONE."<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, there is nothing illegal or even immoral about consigning your kid's clothes when they grow out of them. Furthermore, you assumption that because Kate consigns clothing means she doesn't give back is just that. You're right when you say I have no evidence to say she has given. So, that's why you don't hear me say "I know Kate gives 70% of her kid's clothing to good will"<BR/>I think you need to accept that what you view as evidence is nothing more than conjecture and rumor. It wouldn't hold water in a courtroom. And for me, If I'm going to label someone a 'con artist' I need good, solid, courtroom ready evidence to do so. Not the musings of catty women with questionable mental stability (I'm talking about extreme haters, not any of the truth bloggers).EveryoneLovesErinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430233139773353519noreply@blogger.com