tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post8814502224403010577..comments2023-05-10T02:47:51.886-07:00Comments on GOSSELINS DO NOT NEED OUR PITY: NEW EPISODE ON 12/08/08Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-21596663714999627502008-12-12T22:57:00.000-08:002008-12-12T22:57:00.000-08:00A while back Cara and Mady interviewed their paren...A while back Cara and Mady interviewed their parents on the show and "Played Producer" I thought this was just one of those types of shows.<BR/><BR/>Mady seems to want to be in charge, but the harder she tries, the less the little kids follow her. While Cara quietly can get them to do just about anything. And when Mady is being asked a question by the producers that she doesn't want to answer, she always wiggles or makes a face or tries to throw the attention to something else. <BR/><BR/>I think that the yelling probably comes from living in a loud house. With so many people in such a small area, you're bound to have a lot of noise.Kelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02797896478373033161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-74304948044880535942008-12-10T12:15:00.000-08:002008-12-10T12:15:00.000-08:00Re: what the twins wanted to do. It seems clear t...Re: what the twins wanted to do. It seems clear to me that they did indeed want to play "Mommy" for the day, but they didn't have the ability to "work together" to be ONE Mommy, and that's why it fell apart. <BR/><BR/>I think they both wanted to take the lead but as soon as one did one thing, the other would complain, and they'd end up stalking off angrily or bursting into tears. It happened when Cara decided to put the bibs on the boys (we see Mady upset in the living room, complaining about that) and then we see it with Cara while the kids are doing a craft which Mady seemed to take over. <BR/><BR/>In real life there is usually only one "Mommy" or one parent taking the lead, while the other takes a back seat or defers to the other. J&K are grown-ups working for a specific goal and there is co-operation between them ( a lot of the time) but with Cara and Mady, they wanted to "play" at being Mommy. It wasn't about the kids and getting something done, it was about each of the twins experiencing what it's like to be in charge. But that couldn't happen because every time one of them decided something, the other one had the feeling of not being in charge. <BR/><BR/>There could not be sharing of the "Mommy" duties. They both wanted to be in charge, neither wanted to defer to the other regarding any matter, and the result was sad feelings and chaos all around. I don't know why J&K seemed to idealize that particular relationship between the twins. You'd think that they would know by now that each of the twins wants the chance to lead, and any attempt made by them to share those "duties" would end badly. <BR/><BR/>I don't think the twins are old enough to understand how to "co-lead." They're only 8, and when one made a decision or took action in some way it just made the other one feel left out and like they weren't allowed the "fun" of making a decision like a Mom would. <BR/><BR/>Just on a side note it really made me sad to see Cara get so upset when Mady was doing something that she wanted to do. She seemed so ready to take the lead and so upset when Mady did something before she had a chance to. The twins don't want to "share" "power" and who can blame them? I think that the whole thing was not well-thought out by the grown ups. I think they should have anticipated this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-49076555341623667162008-12-10T09:01:00.000-08:002008-12-10T09:01:00.000-08:00Daisy-- I watch the *same* version you do!! Where...Daisy-- I watch the *same* version you do!! Where the parents do love their kids and seem to be making changes towards allowing their children to make decisions and learn for themselves :).<BR/><BR/>Gumby1, I think you are right about the reasoning with doing a 'hot lunch.' The twins and tups get sandwiches and other bag lunches each day for school, so I am sure by the weekend it is a treat to have something different! I agree that it was pretty easy assembly for two girls who take cooking class and love being in the kitchen. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what some people want from Jon and Kate-- either they don't give their kids enough freedom (ZOMG the sextuplets don't brush their own teeth!! and bibs sometimes!! and... horrors!!... cups with lids!!) or they give the kids too much freedom (why are those kids outside 'alone' (i.e. you can't see who is out with them in the front yard)! then the whole situation with Cara and Mady and the stove). Seems like no matter what choices they make, or how reasoned their decisions are, people will see what they want to see-- good or bad or indifferent.Lizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07466216446332311525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-40763654495404059692008-12-10T07:20:00.000-08:002008-12-10T07:20:00.000-08:00Guinivere,I agree that it could have been a sink o...Guinivere,<BR/><BR/>I agree that it could have been a sink or swim moment taught to Mady and Cara, and it could have been producer driven.<BR/><BR/>I chose both. Kate is hyper organized. The day might have gone smoother assigning 3 tups to each twin. And maybe the producers wanted to go grassroots by filming "a chaotic day in the life with 8 kids". <BR/><BR/>Just speculation. Either way, I didn't see any evidence that the twins never agreed to do this just for the sake of the show. As viewers, we'll never know! We can only give our opinions, instead of them morphing into FACT. Guess what site does that?<BR/><BR/>As for the hot meal for lunch - we have seen the twins enjoy cooking classes, Kate helping them make chocolate cake from class at home, and Kate explaining in a least one episode they enjoy being in the kitchen. <BR/><BR/>Maybe that is why she chose the chicken sandwiches. You could see them trying to follow a recipe. Kate said something to the effect that she wanted something more interesting for the twins to prepare. <BR/><BR/>I'm not Kates biggest fan to say the least, it could have been better organized, but after all the travel episodes, IMO, the goal was to show a day at home with the Gosselins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-74947896232357497772008-12-10T06:49:00.000-08:002008-12-10T06:49:00.000-08:00I watched this episode last night after reading th...I watched this episode last night after reading the comments.<BR/><BR/>Aaden was too cute saying "I almost cut my pinky off."<BR/><BR/>I thought Kate was joking when she said she was like Cara. It seems to me that she has a dry, sarcastic sense of humor.<BR/><BR/>I read that people thought Kate was packing to move instead of changing their clothes from summer to winter. They were going on and on about the boxes in the garage being moving boxes.<BR/><BR/>I thought Kate was really changing their clothes out for winter. It seemed to me that she was putting clothes on hangers and taking clothes in and out of drawers.<BR/><BR/>I was surprised about the moving boxes comments. They looked like a pile of boxes to me and were only in one quick shot.<BR/><BR/>Oh well, a different version of the show is aired where I live. I see a real life couple that loves each other but also has their moments. I also see kids that are kids and will act out sometimes.Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09355406490953716133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-5413252913354352652008-12-10T05:50:00.000-08:002008-12-10T05:50:00.000-08:00"You have absolutely no idea that Mady and Cara ha..."You have absolutely no idea that Mady and Cara had a choice in this episode. If anything it was made by the producer.<BR/><BR/>Mady and Cara wanted none of it!"<BR/><BR/>None of us know what happened- either way, none of us were there. We do however know that Kate said the twins wanted to do this, we also know that Mady and Cara fought constantly about who got to do what, Cara becoming upset when Mady took over the art project. It has been my experience that children do not fight to do things they want no part of. Mady did become frustrated (which is not uncommon) but it seemed to be bc the children weren't doing exactly what she wanted, not bc she didn't want to be apart of it, she just wanted things to go her way.Samantha@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277929176284771513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-65897483035732596332008-12-10T04:48:00.000-08:002008-12-10T04:48:00.000-08:00Definitely didn't like the episode. There are days...Definitely didn't like the episode. There are days when I love Mady's independence and spirited opposition. Tonight I just saw her being controlling and oppositional. <BR/><BR/>I agree that more discipline should have been in play. I also don't like when Kate belittles Jon in front of the kids (chips). <BR/><BR/>Many will disagree with me but, at this point, it's my opinion that this family needs some counseling. I think Jon and Kate are loving parents but there are things that should be addressed privately about the way they treat one another.<BR/><BR/>As for this comment<BR/><B> Another favorite, proudly posting that they hide the book behind other books. Look! Another valiant effort in the name of child advocacy! </B><BR/><BR/>OMG!!! I haven't been to GWoP or read literally in months. I guess I'm not surprised but HELLO! Do these people not realize that there are store associates whose sole job is to fix things like this? They are like a bunch of 10 year olds, giggling to each other at the havoc they think they are raising. <BR/><BR/>Whether I agree with Jon and Kate all the time or not, I'll take them any day over the group of whackjobs that frequent that blog.EveryoneLovesErinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430233139773353519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-9243651582370225122008-12-09T23:21:00.000-08:002008-12-09T23:21:00.000-08:00Merryway, I sort of thought Jon has had a tendency...Merryway, I sort of thought Jon has had a tendency to do that all along. "I'm not going to say anything" is his passive-aggressive way of disagreeing with Kate without having to actually disagree with Kate.<BR/><BR/>I think Kate does have more patience with the kids, sometimes. I'm not sure about the yelling part...but just in terms of pure patience, I'm sure it probably varies, but there are times that I think Kate is more aware of the limitations of the kids' ages and thus more inclined to be patient with them. I don't mean to gender stereotype, but it's a dynamic I've seen before between moms and dads.<BR/><BR/>I felt bad seeing the strife between Mady and Cara. I think J&K maybe wanted M&C to figure out the division of duties themselves; either that, or the lack of support they got being "mommies" was producer-driven, meant to create more drama. I don't know. On the one hand, if they want to teach M&C that they have hard jobs, I can see not making it easy for them. OTOH, if the goal is to start teaching the twins about helping with the younger kids (which I know they already do in some ways), then I don't think throwing them in the pool and hoping they'll float rather than sink is the way to go. But like I said, some of it may just be "storyline" driven, in which case I'm not taking it too seriously.Guineverehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594898905741204155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-43642784742325557182008-12-09T22:41:00.000-08:002008-12-09T22:41:00.000-08:00I forgot about youtube and got to watch it. I did...I forgot about youtube and got to watch it. I didn't like it. Jon seemed like the one in a bad mood. He was shown just scolding them all day. I can see why posters said the duties should have been divvied up. They needed more help. Maddy seemed out of control. I felt bad for Cara. I thought all the kids with the sharp scissors should have been better supervised. Joel was cute in the yard saying the ball had mud and his hands were wet and freezing. As always, I enjoyed the cute kid moments. It seems like Jon is just starting to keep his mouth shut on the couch in response to Kate's statements that he doesn't want to contradict.merrywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003385150622139910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-226423405602913722008-12-09T19:18:00.000-08:002008-12-09T19:18:00.000-08:00I'm not quite sure what to make of last night's ep...I'm not quite sure what to make of last night's episode. It really bothers me to see Mady act the way that she does. If there wasn't a camera in her face, and it was a private moment, maybe I would feel different. <BR/><BR/>Kate needs to take it down a notch with Jon. He was not looking happy last night on the couch talk. <BR/><BR/>I think that Kate should have planned something a little easier for Mady and Cara to "cook" for lunch. After all, it was their first time being MOMMY. I wonder what Kate had planned for dinner. <BR/><BR/>I do want to enjoy the show, but this one was hard for me to digest.<BR/>Kate is very wrong to constantly put Jon down in front of the children. I seem to remember her saying in her Hawaii vows, that she was going to be nicer to him. What happened?happymamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07303658856513125048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-12289315301750731812008-12-09T18:49:00.000-08:002008-12-09T18:49:00.000-08:00merryway said...POSTITGATE: I hate it when people ...<B> merryway said...POSTITGATE: I hate it when people try to censor my reading material. Do you think they'd go to a book burning? </B><BR/><BR/>Merryway, you know that is interesting observation. I hadn't made the connection between the two before, but there is something kind of scary and dictatorial about any attempt to destroy or suppress a book, isn't there?!<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I don't care if GWoP comes out with a whole book of their nastiest blog posts, I would never condone defacing it and/or in any way participate in curbing its distribution. That's how strongly I believe that all books deserve to be available to be read and their relative merit judged by the reader.Anya@IWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10277215288731619588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-78873549657014854592008-12-09T18:26:00.000-08:002008-12-09T18:26:00.000-08:00This episode was a trainwreck. What parent has the...This episode was a trainwreck. What parent has the right to humilate their children on TV and set them up for failure. I can no longer support this family anymore. I am no longer a fan. How can anyone still be fans of them after this show? These parents are not mentally stable. I am turning off Jon & Kate plus 8 for good. ENOUGH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-65152832325216995622008-12-09T17:23:00.000-08:002008-12-09T17:23:00.000-08:00POSTITGATE: I hate it when people try to censor m...POSTITGATE: I hate it when people try to censor my reading material. Do you think they'd go to a book burning? There was another post sometime before about a poster thinking about defacing a book. How scary these could be the people beside you at the store. <BR/><BR/>I posted this on another thread, but just to make sure. It's Christmas so there will might be a lot of variants on merry, <B>I'll only post as merryway</B>.merrywayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15003385150622139910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-86830550457283136042008-12-09T16:33:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:33:00.000-08:00I thought it was strange how the older kids kept c...I thought it was strange how the older kids kept crying and melting down, but the four year olds were in their own happy little worlds.<BR/><BR/>Not one of my favorite episodes, but the little kids are so funny.<BR/>I don't know that they needed to do this, because from what they've said on previous episodes, Mady tries to be in control of the little ones a lot. I was also the bossy older sister in my house.<BR/><BR/>I do feel bad for Mady that she is discussed the way she is during the couch interviews. They've shown on previous episodes that the kids like to watch their own show. I wonder what Mady thinks when neither one of her parents want to be compared to her. I know every parent says things about their kids (I certainly plead guilty)--but not in such a public forum. I'm not doubting that they love her, I know they do. I know they have said a lot of good things about her before, too. Sadly, the negative things people say to and about us seem to stick more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-2485279629991849732008-12-09T16:14:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:14:00.000-08:00CincyMom,I like your idea about the preschool teac...CincyMom,<BR/>I like your idea about the preschool teacher guiding the children through the little tasks that make up the day (like pouring water.) And Kimber suggested dividing the responsibilities between the twins rather than letting them fight it out.<BR/><BR/>I just made cookies this afternoon with my youngest. She's 11, so she wanted to do most of it herself. I was there mostly to chatter with her about her day. She took a recipe for 36 coolies, and stretched it to about 70. I wanted to step in and correct her, but she was so pleased with her "cute little cookies" I shrugged off the "mistake." I'm glad I just let her make them little. It's hard to give up control, sometimes, but Kate needs to work on it, too. She should have let the twins spill the chicken on the tray and put the cheese on lopsided. By the time Leah starts cooking, though, maybe she'll have relaxed.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884219068017641778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-22191625422690656672008-12-09T14:13:00.000-08:002008-12-09T14:13:00.000-08:00I just realized something else enjoyed when Jon wa...I just realized something else enjoyed when Jon was kicking the soccer ball and hit Leah in the head and I was thinking oh poor girl and Jon going over and comforting her. It showed how loving he is to his children. I guess I don't see all the emotional drama in the family like sort of tune that stuff out because I grew up in a house with chaos so it doesn't bother me like others. I also realized they don't film every week.Darlene Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00707107140495194974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-72197335447672150932008-12-09T13:44:00.000-08:002008-12-09T13:44:00.000-08:00Saint--Great idea. If your child wants to learn mo...Saint--<BR/>Great idea. If your child wants to learn more about your job as a mom/ dad, what is a good way to handle it?<BR/><BR/>We all criticize. Anyone care to suggest an idea?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-37781561534552757892008-12-09T13:14:00.000-08:002008-12-09T13:14:00.000-08:00Just when you think you've heard it all--Post-itga...Just when you think you've heard it all--Post-itgate. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Good grief, that's weird and creepy, people.<BR/><BR/>I don't imagine the manager of the store would appreciate someone trying to discourage sales. They will probably kick her out if they catch her. It's not her property.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-52491145197574995382008-12-09T13:11:00.000-08:002008-12-09T13:11:00.000-08:00I just re-watched the Mady on the floor scene. It...I just re-watched the Mady on the floor scene. It's no big deal. She's just fidgety.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884219068017641778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-64242143242974905212008-12-09T12:57:00.000-08:002008-12-09T12:57:00.000-08:00Good discussion!I hadn't thought about Mady on the...Good discussion!<BR/><BR/>I hadn't thought about Mady on the floor when I saw it, except, "Sit up please," which I have to still say to my preteen. I'm not always happy about the editing either.<BR/><BR/>My kids don't give me mouth like Mady does, but lots of kids do. One of mine tries/tried but the others have a gentler dispositions. Part of it is their age, part their temperament, part the response they get. Anya pointed out that if Mady is going to be the mouthy type, now is when we'll see it. Her parents have to deal with it now before those teen years start! Let's hope they are.<BR/><BR/>mkb77, you described how I feel, though this episode didn't bother me as much. I came from a big family and we were "street angels, house devils." Everyone thought we always got along, but we worked overtime at home to let out our emotions. Mady and Cara reminded me of it last night. There were some really good suggestions for how it could have been handled better. Kate should read this thread! We have great moms here! :)Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05884219068017641778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-31194222694783317542008-12-09T12:51:00.000-08:002008-12-09T12:51:00.000-08:00Post-itgate! LOVE IT!!Post-itgate! LOVE IT!!mkb77https://www.blogger.com/profile/01117068173464229075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-28923709270724763892008-12-09T12:11:00.000-08:002008-12-09T12:11:00.000-08:00The original poster is so excited! She’s going to ...The original poster is so excited! She’s going to do it! A post-it note on EVERY book! “It can’t be illegal, right?!” She hopes it ends up on 20/20 or the national news!! Then the Gosselins will REALLY be exposed. <BR/><BR/><BR/>From this point on, I declare this "post-it gate," LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-91918375399403308322008-12-09T11:40:00.000-08:002008-12-09T11:40:00.000-08:00I am a fan of certain parts of the show and other ...I am a fan of certain parts of the show and other parts? Not so much.<BR/><BR/>I am not a fan of how the parents treat one another in front of their children. I find it immature and very irresponsible. The best way to bring up a child is through example and sniping at one another or undermining discpline tactics will only teach negativity.<BR/><BR/>I am a fan of the the interaction between the children. I love the episodes where they are in their element, doing their own thing. My favorites include the special day episodes and the one where the kids had ice cream for dinner. <BR/><BR/>Last night's episode was for the most part, a trainwreck in my opinion. I kept thinking that allowing 8 year olds to be responsible for making a hot lunch for 6 kids was just a little much. Thankfully a parent stepped in and helped out. I also thought that the yelling and screaming was for the most part the way it probably is in that household. Why wouldn't it be? You have 8 little cherubs vying for attention. I think that's pretty typical.<BR/><BR/>I would like to see this show go to specials instead of weekly like it is now. Get the cameras out of the day to day stuff and give us updates every six months as to what the family is doing and how they are growing. That way we can get away from the producers trying to come up with new and clever episode ideas.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion.mkb77https://www.blogger.com/profile/01117068173464229075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-34722791576506430332008-12-09T11:35:00.000-08:002008-12-09T11:35:00.000-08:00Thanks for the warm welcome. Theresa - it's not de...Thanks for the warm welcome. <BR/><BR/>Theresa - it's not defacing property, afterall, a poster replied that it wasn't illegal!<BR/><BR/>Another favorite, proudly posting that they hide the book behind other books. Look! Another valiant effort in the name of child advocacy!<BR/><BR/>I think blogger should make you take an IQ test before allowing to post. The crazies are out in full swing today at that OTHER site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-875099505545555742.post-32644966194911066422008-12-09T11:27:00.000-08:002008-12-09T11:27:00.000-08:00Fiona- I recall in the beginning of the episode it...Fiona- I recall in the beginning of the episode it was mentioned by Jon and Kate as well as the twins that this was something Cara and Mady wanted. If I am wrong, I apologize for that assumption-- I was very eager to hear from Jon and Kate as well as Cara and Mady what the background to the whole 'twins being mommy' idea was. Could have been a mix of things, also-- for all we know, the producers may have talked with the twins and asked what things they would like to do on the show, this being one of the ideas.<BR/><BR/>As for the post it thing, that is just stupid. Seriously?? Defacing a store like Costco just so you can feel special? I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what some will do, but still...Lizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07466216446332311525noreply@blogger.com