Wednesday, September 24, 2008

How She Does It: Kate Gosselin






There is another new article about Kate Gosselin in Woman's Day magazine. Click here to read it.

90 comments:

LInda said...

They're baaaaaaaaaaaaaack! The group of internet bloggers who go from website to website to bash Kate Gosselin.

Get ready Woman's Day! I predict that by day's end the comments will be up toward 250!

Nina Bell said...

Yes MCB said it best on a previous post. This was her second point to an entry she proposed we should make to Urban Dictionary to add the term GWoPPed.


"2. To be personally corrected or bombarded with letters, e-mails and telephone calls after you write or publish a favorable article, consent to be interviewed, book a speaking engagement, or come out in favor of anyone or anything that a bunch of internet crones disagree with. Example: "The writer at the Washington Post was GWoPPED after publishing a nice article about the television show "Jon and Kate Plus 8."

merryway said...

It seems like a little PR piece for the book and her grains representation.
I think Kate's statements make it even more interesting in regards to the unconfirmed personal chef. I would like to know if she's just really outright lying.
This is the first time I've seen a book promoted without acknowledging all the authors. That may be Beth's wish, but it leaves me wondering if she's going to get any public recognition for her contribution. It seems strange to ignore someone's name right on the book
I'm sure others will make comments about the twins having to be little mothers since they fixed the tuplets breakfast. I agree, that the mag will be swamped with emails.

Daisy said...

I don't see anything wrong with the twins getting cereal for the 'tups. It's called "learning responsibility."

mcb, I love your term GWoPPED. Thanks for that.

Regarding the personal chef, Kate said on their website that she cooks on days that they don't film. I'm taking her at her word.

MCB said...

Look out, Women's Day. You're about to get GWoPPED.

Shameless. The article was informative and nice. All they really talked about was Kate's cooking habits and the eating habits of the kids. Actually, it was nothing that she hasn't already said on the show.

lurkeyhere said...

I think it would be a good idea for Kate to acknowledge their circumstances, just to deflect some of the criticism they have to know they will get.
Something along the lines of "We are much better off than when the kids were born, but that doesn't mean I should waste money, so I still clip coupons". That's something everyone can agree with.

Don't get me started on the personal chef thing.
That all started with Julie ( secondhand from Jodi) and now it's being reported as fact all over.
She said they get meals delivered to their home
(with wine and flowers). To me, this is glorified takeout. When I think of a personal chef, I think of what Oprah has- someone practically living with you, making all your meals. Just because they have meals delivered sometimes, or have craft services, doesn't mean she never cooks. Other people go out to eat often, how is that any different?

merryway said...

I hope that there's no personal chef. It would be nice if Kate's telling the truth. It never jives with me that a PK girl could lie like that. They are many shots of her cooking on the filming days. That could be just to show what her normal days are like. It would be a hoot to see a shot of her getting some food from the craft services tables. I thought some of the GWOPers would comment on the last commercial for the Sight and Sound show. The commercial said “they get the VIP treatment”. So they pretty much put it out there that the trip was not what the normal viewing family would receive if they went.
The tups are in preschool. I had really wondered if that would happen. If she was as bad as they say, it would have benefited her to have them homeschooled unless they declare that damage control as well. I have heard no rumors of the preschool being filmed, so they seem to be getting privacy and to play with other children. It seems those pieces get lost in the dissections.
I'm guessing that by now these children must have security. I would be afraid to just leave them at the school without some sort of protection. They are so well known and there is so much interest in them.

MCB said...

I like this comment left on the Women's Day site. It sounds so....familiar! LOL.

Oh look, everyone is hitting all the talking points of the home site for the "advocates" who claim to be "looking out" for the Gosselin children, but actually have a irrational hatred for the kid's mother, who they childishly resent with the white hot intensity of 1000 MSNBC staffers at a Sarah Palin rally.

Women's Day, your article was fine. These Internet loonies go from site to site, bashing any publication that happens to write a positive article about the Gosselins. You're just the latest stop on the nutbar radar. Enjoy the ride!

merryway said...

One thing I didn't catch and saw on a comment at the article is that Kate states she plans ahead and makes the twins lunches the night before because she's not a morning person. In another paragraph says she makes eight lunches every morning. It's pretty clear that she's talking about the children's lunches. A lot of posters at GWOP seem to think that everything Kate says is never supposed to change due to time or circumstance. I understand how things change in in a weekly television show or how Kate might exaggerate.
Seeing this inconsistency in a reputable magazine interview seems like someone slipped up somewhere.

Anonymous said...

I don't see anything wrong with the twins getting cereal for the 'tups. It's called "learning responsibility."
++
Yea, why the Mother sleeps!!!

Guinevere said...

Yeah, how dare Kate sleep! The nerve of that woman! Doesn't she know all good mothers subsist on two hours a night, and are up before their children with homemade pancakes cut into interesting shapes, paper napkins oragami-folded, maple syrup they've tapped from the trees themselves and butter they've not only churned but from cows they have actually milked? Somebody call CPS on this woman who actually has the nerve to sleep at 8 in the morning.

merryway said...

Oh no, the twins were forced or bribed to make breakfast for the starving tuplets while Kate slept (I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I read in the article). Take Kate to the guillotine and let them eat cupcakes.

Guin, you make me chuckle a lot

Anonymous said...

Guinevere said...
Yeah, how dare Kate sleep! The nerve of that woman! Doesn't she know all good mothers subsist on two hours a night, and are up before their children with homemade pancakes cut into interesting shapes, paper napkins oragami-folded, maple syrup they've tapped from the trees themselves and butter they've not only churned but from cows they have actually milked? Somebody call CPS on this woman who actually has the nerve to sleep at 8 in the morning.

September 24, 2008 11:46 AM
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You are a great devil's advocate for KATEN!

Linda said...

Can you imagine ...

Just the other morning, when my 7 year old was pouring himself a glass of orange juice I asked him to get 2 more glasses out and pour his 10 year old brother and myself some too.

I guess now I'm getting my breakfast beverage

"on the back of my 7 year old."

(He even had to put the dog out on the chain for his morning constitutional.)

Oh the scandal ...

merryway said...

Devil's Advocate is important. We always assigned that role to someone in project meetings. It helped to make sure we had thought of everything.

Nina Bell said...

Anon 12:42


You seem very familiar. I think you might be Lonyswife in disguise!Why don't you post as that?

erin said...

The posting as anonymous thing is going around, I suspect. I would bet money (and I don't bet unless I know I'm going to win) that an anonymous poster on "A Minor Imposition" is Watchoverthem from GWoP.

And who-boy, they did get some comments from GWoP. I kind of feel bad for them.

anya said...

Back to the "uncomfirmed" personal chef thing. Yesterday, an anonymous poster came on here and claimed the personal chef was named "Katherine." Nina asked for the name of the catering company and the person hasn't been back since to my knowledge. This is very typical of the little nuggets that get tossed out with no proof at all and then suddenly they become if not an outright fact, something that we speculate about.

My take: there is no way that Kate is allowing anyone in her kitchen to prepare meals for her family. A catering truck that comes in a few times a week on filming days - yes, that's been established. I don't see someone as controlling as Kate ceding control of her kitchen, I just don't. And for all her faults, she has stated many times she enjoys cooking and providing healthy meals for the family. Since she's honest about other areas that she gets lambasted about (i.e., sleeping in), I don't see why so many are sure she's lying about this. Because of something Julie reported? Puleez.

Anonymous said...

Go take a look on PM's blog. Fionna is taking a beating for being honest!!!!

I think Looney's wife think she is PENNMOMMYS best friend!!!

Fionna makes a good point. You should cry wolf Julie and PMOM!!!

Guinevere said...

This is very typical of the little nuggets that get tossed out with no proof at all and then suddenly they become if not an outright fact, something that we speculate about.

Yeah, I was just thinking today about Kate's supposed "hit and run" accident. Haven't heard anything more about that. I guess you can add the police to the long list of people and groups too intimidated by the frightening Kate Gosselin to stand up to her.

WatchOverThem said...

Sorry erin, I haven't been over there. I don't even post at GWoP anymore, if you were to go back and check you would see this. I don't have enough time and it gets us nowhere, just like here. I won't post on this particular thread again either, with my time constraints I have been here too much the last two days reading the Paul Petersen thread. If another topic comes up that I have some valid info about, I may chime in, but otherwise just to chit chat, no. Will it matter that I log in as WatchOverThem, or anonymous? No, not really. I have only been here on the NE and Paul Petersen thread today and yesterday with what I think is valid info, and happened to clicked through here, only to find my name being mentioned, wow what a kick ;-) and thanks for thinking of me.

Seriously, why even ask? What does a name mean online? If I am anonymous, WatchOverThem, or whatever. What does erin mean, and what does that name bring to anything you may write online, without more specific info? I don't want to know your info, and must decide myself what to believe or how to judge what anyone here writes, with whatever name within the anonymity that online blogs create. Would you like my name, address, phone number, social security number, or would that be too close to publishing info about someone that here at GDNNoP is looked down upon? As I said in the NE post comments, we can agree to disagree, but I do not understand why what I have written about being careful on behalf of the children fires you up so much? I am not attempting removal from the home or anything of the sort, only to be careful and more aware of what happens in these children's lives and the lives of reality television children to follow. Just as others in the media are coming to realize, what is the big beef in that? We aren't looking to harm anyone, only to make things better for children that don't have a voice of their own. I do not hate Jon and Kate, I never have written anything of the sort and never would. What is there to hate about this couple? Dislike of the situation perhaps, but why so fired up about the specifics of what I wrote?

Anyway, thank you for keeping track of me, but I'm okay, really. I wish you well and I wish you Peace.

MommyZinger said...

Back to the "uncomfirmed" personal chef thing. Yesterday, an anonymous poster came on here and claimed the personal chef was named "Katherine." Nina asked for the name of the catering company and the person hasn't been back since to my knowledge. This is very typical of the little nuggets that get tossed out with no proof at all and then suddenly they become if not an outright fact, something that we speculate about.

I actually think that person got confused when they read the answer from sixgosselins. The answer was something like, "Yes, her name is Kate" referring to herself of course. I think it must have gotten all twisted up in the gossip mill.

WatchOverThem said...

erin--I misread your post and thought you were talking about posting at a different blog/article. So sorry for my mistake

Yes, it was me at the NE/Paul Petersen thread. Again, what does it matter, if they are by anonymous or by WatchOverThem? Why are my posts so contentious with you? Why is having a different viewpoint from yours labeling my posts as something to be maligned? Have I bashed what you have written here, other than to ask what the deal is with cutting down posters that don't agree with you? I thought GDNNoP was striving to be an open voice, without judgement.

Is it better that I don't contribute, if I feel I have something valid to add to a difficult situation? Does what I write sound uneducated, or without care?

Peace.

Nina Bell said...

watchoverthem

"I thought GDNNoP was striving to be an open voice, without judgement."

This statement really creates an atmosphere for discussion, doesn't it? These type of statements are weak attempts to stir things up and make other people look inferior. But in the end, it actually reveals more about the person making the statement.

WatchOverThem said...

I am so confused by you guys. My attempt at honest conversation is being taken as stirring things up and making people look inferior? My goodness, whatever I wrote never meant anything of the sort! I apologized for misreading a comment and commenting incorrectly because of it. I came with an open hand, looking for open discussion. I asked a valid question, would you rather I did not post? By your answer, nina bell, I guess so. What is it you are saying about GWoP and their biases? Really, I meant nothing of the sort, and feel that your comment, nina bell, is contributing to shutting down what could be valid discussion.

Guinevere said...

Go take a look on PM's blog. Fionna is taking a beating for being honest!!!!

Never missing an opportunity to rubberneck, I hied myself over there and stumbled across this from PM:

"This family is taking advantage of an opportunity,...
...as did Alejandro Avila. He saw a little girl playing unattended in front of her home and abducted Samantha Runnion. I'm not comparing Jon and Kate to kidnappers, but opportunities aren't always a justification for making bad choices."

Yes, you are comparing the Gosselins to someone who kidnapped, raped and murdered a little girl. PM is a disgusting human being.

Anonymous said...

I thought Fionna had a valid point and PMom is weak in her answerts.

I may not always agree with her, but she has never been a rude poster. Boy, they surely did turn on her.

And, Guinevere, your right. Pmom should not have even brought up Samantha!!!! OH MY GOSH. That was so wrong.

The GWOPPERS are turning on one of their own. Although it seems Fionna has started to see things differently as of late.

anya said...

-The Avila comment by PM was absolutely unnecessary and reveals quite a bit about her inner self and her motivations.

-Fiona, ah Fiona. What can I say? She is spot on in this comment, however:

"When it comes right down to it, we all want information. We want every last detail. PM and Julie are "feeding" our fix.

The fact that PM has a son who has been knocking on death's door and she is gossiping about the Gosselin's says something about her as a person. I am just brave enough to be the one to say it."

erin said...

Watchoverthem: I'm not entirely sure I want to dignify this with a response. Whether you post at GWoP any more or not, your name is easy to recognize from their earliest days. Your post was similarly easy to recognize and the argument was one that you and I had early on and over several posts over there. In the other thread I simply told you to revist those posts, my responses haven't changed. I haven't read there since I was chased off for trying to have a balanced discussion and give an opposing viewpoint, so I don't know whether you still post there or not. My point here was that you were posting anonymously, and were a recognizable name. I believe you were posting anonymously to stir things up and hide behind the anonymous handle. You may post here all you want, I have always welcomed discussion with you, the problem was that you were a bit of a bully and we never quite got to the level of debate instead it became personal attacks. Feel free to post, given this public and personal calling out I'm probably not going to.

Nina Bell said...

Watchoverthem

There is no reason to be confused here. Re-read your comments and tell me that you really want a peaceful discussion here. I have allowed you to say what you want. That courtesy would never be afforded to me at GWoP (by the way, you brought their name up not me). My response to you had nothing to do with your apology, it had everything to do with the way you said it.

“I thought GDNNoP was striving to be an open voice, without judgment.”

See I get a little annoyed with people that drop by only to make statements such as these. Please show me where we have said that we strive to be an open voice, without judgment

Kuromi said...

"the white hot intensity of 1000 MSNBC staffers at a Sarah Palin rally"

LOL MCB!

Anonymous said...

Yes, you are comparing the Gosselins to someone who kidnapped, raped and murdered a little girl. PM is a disgusting human being.

Or just really bad at making analogies. We all can't be as smart as you Guinevere.

Anonymous said...

It's funny that you are now quoting Flakey Fiona (you know you are just inviting her to come here and spread her truth, aren't you?)

Anyone who has spent time in a hospital knows how much downtime there is. PMs not a nurse, she can't really help much and what is she supposed to do with the hours in the day, watch Jon and Kate for the 25th billion time on TLC? Maybe servicing her blog, which was started before her son got sick, takes her mind off of the situation.

Just because you don't like what says, does that give you the right to criticise how she chooses to distract herself?

anya said...

Anonymous said... September 24, 2008 4:44 PM "Or just really bad at making analogies. We all can't be as smart as you Guinevere."

Seriously, seriously?

This has nothing to do with "smarts" or writing ability.

It says something that she chose to use this particular analogy. Trust me.

Anonymous said...

Anya, you are asking me to trust your opinion of someone you don't even know. Can you see the irony in that?

anya said...

Anonymous September 24, 2008 4:50 PM said...

"It's funny that you are now quoting Flakey Fiona (you know you are just inviting her to come here and spread her truth, aren't you?)"


I quoted a few sentences where she made a very cogent point, IMO.

She's been over here before. That's fine. All are welcome.

"Just because you don't like what says, does that give you the right to criticise how she chooses to distract herself?"

"Right" or not, people WILL criticize. If J&K have taught us anything, it's that....

Anonymous said...

Let me ask you this - what makes your criticism of Penn Mommy more justified then the people who you - you being a collective term - bash for criticising J&K?

anya said...

Anonymous said..."Anya, you are asking me to trust your opinion of someone you don't even know. Can you see the irony in that?"

You are right, don't trust me. You don't know me. I don't know you. You and I don't know PM.

I can only speak for myself - in attempting to make an analogy about "opportunity", I never in a billion years would have thought and/or used the comparison she chose. I believe she was quite aware of what she was writing.

Fanny said...

anonymous said...

"Just because you don't like what says, does that give you the right to criticise how she chooses to distract herself?"


I have to agree with you here. I'm not crazy about fiona or pm, but I can't imagine what pm must be going through, and if she uses that blog as a distraction, well, I can understand that.

That said, I think it's funny that when those who are fans that have some epiphany and decide to join the ranks of the haters, they are deemed by said haters as brave and noble, whereas Fiona, who obviously hasn't change her mind about the issues, just they way they are discussed, is being torn to shreds.

My how quickly your "friends" can turn on you if you dare to disagree.

anya said...

Anonymous said... September 24, 2008 5:09 PM
"Let me ask you this - what makes your criticism of Penn Mommy more justified then the people who you - you being a collective term - bash for criticising J&K?"


I never said I was more "justified."

The only comments I have made about her on this thread were that her analogy was "unnecessary" and I believe she knew what she was writing when she wrote it. Not exactly a bash session.

Signing off. Hope I have answered your concerns.

anya said...
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anya said...

Fanny, just to clarify, I probably should have only quoted this part of Fiona's post because it's the part I am most in agreement with:

"When it comes right down to it, we all want information. We want every last detail. PM and Julie are "feeding" our fix.

I try and stay away from telling other people how to live their lives or what to do with their time. It's one of the issues I have with people who feel justified in telling the Gosselins what's right for them, so I shouldn't be engaging in it myself (even by reposting F's second paragraph).

Guinevere said...

Or just really bad at making analogies. We all can't be as smart as you Guinevere.

I'm pretty sure PM is smart enough that she didn't just trip into comparing J&K to a child-rapist/murderer. Maybe she's the same person who posted way back on GWoP comparing Kate to OJ Simpson (in both cases, the person claims that they aren't making a comparison, while...making a comparison).

Let me ask you this - what makes your criticism of Penn Mommy more justified then the people who you - you being a collective term - bash for criticising J&K?

I don't think anyone here has ever said that J&K shouldn't be criticized. Criticism is fine. It has to do with the intensity and frequency, plus, for me anyway, the stalking and interfering with the Gosselins' personal lives.

I'm thinking we need an additional to the FAQ for this.

Guinevere said...

Just an FYI, so no one suspects anything weird - the deleted post above mine was because Anya's post came through twice, so I deleted the second one.

Anonymous said...

Anya -

you also wrote - It says something that she chose to use this particular analogy. Trust me. - Am I missing the "unnecessary" part?

Fanny said...

anya said...

"Fanny, just to clarify, I probably should have only quoted this part of Fiona's post because it's the part I am most in agreement with:

"When it comes right down to it, we all want information. We want every last detail. PM and Julie are "feeding" our fix."


Anya, I understand and I agree with you about this statement.


Guinevere said...

"I don't think anyone here has ever said that J&K shouldn't be criticized. Criticism is fine. It has to do with the intensity and frequency, plus, for me anyway, the stalking and interfering with the Gosselins' personal lives.

I'm thinking we need an additional to the FAQ for this."

ITA. I get so tire of repeating this over and over.


Anonymous said...

"Or just really bad at making analogies. We all can't be as smart as you Guinevere."

It's not a question of intellect, imo, it's more about thinking about what you say before you say it. The thing about commenting on a blog is that you can't say something just flew out of your mouth. She had to have thought about it before she typed it, and even then she had time to rethink it before it was posted. Do you disagree that the remark was in distasteful?

MrsRef said...

I have a personal chef - I call Papa John's and pizza appears. See I am really not all that mean and do have a sense of humor.

Kelley said...

Not signing comments is in a nut shell: cowardly. Stand up for what you have to say and comment as yourself. I do. I will never comment without my signature. I don't hide. You disagree with me and want to tell me about it? Go ahead. But if you post on a site and then don't sign your comment, you're hiding. That is all.

anya said...

MrsRef said...
"I have a personal chef - I call Papa John's and pizza appears. See I am really not all that mean and do have a sense of humor."


Hey, me too! The take-out Mexican place 10 minutes from my house. Hmm. Don't think it's organic, however...

We'll living the high life, aren't we? I bet Kimora is jealous of us. :-)

MommyZinger said...

I think they should end the show just to get rid of the Kate haters.

No one knows how the show is affecting or will affect the kids but it won't be good when the kids find out (they might already know) how people have been talking about their mother. Kids look up to and love their mothers. I imagine it would be quite devastating to find out that people hated your mother so much they searched the internet for every site about her then proceeded to say horrible things about everything she does.

If you are a Gosselin critic reading this and you don't consider yourself a hater just think about what and how often you have said a mean thing about Kate. How many sites have you gone to? How would you feel if someone spoke that way about your mother?

I am just shocked, frustrated, angry and disappointed that people who claim to be so concerned about the kids think its okay to be so mean to their mother. When the kids read all the hate blogs, they will not only be hurt but it won't help them form any good opinions about humanity and that's just sad.

nomoredrama said...

I am loathed to admit that my personal chef at times is Ronald McDonald....soo gross.

I believe that Kate cooks. I also believe that she has craft services. I think both are possible, imagine that!

I am sickened by Lonny'sWife, uh, Anon's comment referring to Kate as "Katen." This extreme, obnoxious, and completely insane disdain for a person you've never met is mind boggling.

Crazy comparisons I've seen so far in the short 2 months I've been blogging:
~Comparisons to OJ Simpson (who is likely a double murderer)
~Comparisons to Susan Smith (who killed her 2 children)
~Comparisons to Andrea Yates (who killed all of her children)
~Comparisons to a rapist/kidnapper
~Comparisons to Osama Bin Laden

And now LonnysWife throws in the kicker, comparisons to Satan himself.

Why, because she consigns clothing and yelled inappropriately about some gum? Because she has fights with her family members? Because she and Jon bicker? Because she allows her children to be on television? Please, gather the names of all of the parents with children on TV so we can burn at the stake. God forbid we get their family members to start blogging about ill deserved spa trips and "personal chefs."

That people who are (seemingly) intelligent otherwise do not realize the complete absurdity of all of this blows my mind every. single. day.

Anonymous said...

Read the bottom of the pic. That was nice.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/jon%20&%20kate/yukonbob1/Sam%20and%20Kate/P1010030.jpg?o=17

lurkeyhere said...

OMG! Someone let evil, blackhearted Kate actually touch their child! Very cute picture.

I agree with mommyzinger about the effects the blogs will have on the kids. That is my big problem with Julie, Jodi and Kevin, who apparently approves of what they are doing. It's just plain disrespectful of the whole Kreider-Gosselin family, including all of the kids, to air their dirty family laundry for all to see.
I can maybe see doing the original defense of Jodi, although I don't think it was necessary. But the way Julie pops up to add her little comments is just, well, disgusting. Especially now that she seems to be repeating things she has "read" because she doesn't have any new material.

I can't imagine what it would be like as a pre-teen or young teen, reading all that nasty stuff about your parents ( mother mostly) and knowing it was supported by your aunt and not-aunt. Or knowing your parents and aunt thought it was okay to report private things about your cousins and their parents.

And, I was confused about the Katen thing at first.
Shouldn't it be Katan?

Mom said...

I was just thinking this morning when the show ends, will the haters really stop? I don't think so. The blogs will exist and it will stoop to a new level of tastelessness (is that a word? ha ha).

Daisy said...

I have a young teen and if I was Kate I would tell my daughter everything that's going on in the blogging world before she could read it. I also don't think at this point she could read everything and grasp the entire meaning of it.

The Gosselins are the only ones that really know what their real situation is. I would think that they would tell their kids. By the time they are capable of reading everything I would hope they know the "real" story of all of this.

Don't get me wrong, ITA completely about the horrible things that have been said. I just think that the kids will know the true meaning of it all by the time they read it.

Anonymous said...

This was sbmitted in response to comments made under the Woman's Day article on their site.



I enjoy reading blogs on the internet ... I enjoy watching reality t.v...
I will tell you that I do not agree with everything that I see - but not everything is about me.

I find my self browsing the blog word less and less and not turning on the t.v. quite as often. While it is fun to read about what is going on out there in the 'world of others' - i've got to tell you, that the drama is really becoming too much - the drama isn't fun anymore - it has gone way beyond that.

The judgment, the names - it really has become ugly - beyond ugly. Calling the children names in the comments here - is that really called for?
Now, I can just imagine all of the "but, she..." or "she did it first"...

Even if she DID do it - does it make you feel better to do the same. Or to those of you that critique the way that she and Jon parent their children or the trips that they take or the fact that they are able to enjoy all of the freebies that come their way - have you never done something in your life that people on the 'outside' could critique you for.

For those of you that have been hurt by J&K in some way, in whatever way - I'm sorry for you. All of us have been disappointed by people in our lives... our feelings have been hurt, we have been turned away - we have been betrayed. It hurts. I've been there... not your situation exactly, but I have been there. What I would like to offer is that every experience is a learning experience - even those that hurt our hearts.
I'm not a supporter - but I'm not a hater either. I don't agree with everything that I see... I just turn off the t.v. or hit the power button on the computer when it is something that I don't want to see.

If you do not agree with what you see - or if you really feel that the children are being hurt by being on television than YOU "be the change that you wish to see in the world" - write letters to the sponsors, to Figure 8, to TLC. Stop supporting the sponsors by not purchasing their products. There are things you can do to show that you do not support what is taking place... being ugly is not the way to go about it.

As well, there are many, many injustices happening in the world right at this very moment. Maybe we can all (myself included) can focus our energies and passions on those injustices instead of focusing on some big family in Pennsylvania.

Peace!
Adrienne

MommyZinger said...

I don't know if the hate blogs will stop. What will all the haters do with their time if they don't have any new material to work with? Sadly, they will just find a new victim.


I just think that the kids will know the true meaning of it all by the time they read it.


Hopefully, that will happen.

But condier this. I've spoken to my husband about the hate blogs in front of my daughter who is the same age as the tups. And my daughter repeats what I say to others. What happens when one of the tups classmates hears their parent's talking about it. Next thing you know, Little Suzie is going up to Hannah or whoever in school and saying, "People in the computer hate your mommy."

Who knows if that will happen but all of the Kate hate on the internet shouldn't exist in the first place. Criticism fine, but hate is just not necessary nor does it accomplish anything.

MCB said...

I am sickened by Lonny'sWife,

I actually feel sorry for Lony, whoever he he!

Referring to Kate as "Katen." This extreme, obnoxious, and completely insane disdain for a person you've never met is mind boggling.

Just another day at the office for the minions at GWoP!

AAP said...

So, how long do you think Kate will last as a spokesperson for the Whole Grains Council? Her reputation (for lack of a better word) is starting to overshadow the reasons she is getting interviewed.

Based on the response from some rabid fans (and yes, I do agree that they are going too far. I think what they are doing is wrong, and is bordering on harassment. And personally, I think it's bad karma to mess with someone's ability to make a living) I think that Jon and Kate better be prepped to answer the hard questions. There is a way the anti-gosselins could get there message across without resorting to flooding message boards. It will be interesting to see how her (their?) book tour will end up.

I am ammending my PR plan for Jon and Kate to include Kate explaining that she is exaggerates a ton, and never noticed before until people have pointed it out to her, and that she is trying to change. Then she'll have a defense everytime she says something like "real cooks don't use receipes" and all I do is cook a meal, clean up after a meal, etc. I think basically people (rational criticizers) are responding to Kate implying that she does more herself, and doesn't acknowledge the help she has. Let's face it, she made the make a meal comment while she was filming, and she has admitted to not cooking and using craft services instead when filming is going on.

Is it the end of the world that Kate does this? No. But if she is going to say on camera that what you see is my life, and then it turns out that the picture Kate is painting is not 100% accurate, viewers are going to feel betrayed.

marci said...

aap,

I can't speak for how anyone else feels, but the word "betrayed" for me is going overboard when describing my reaction to the possiblity that what Kate says about their day-to-day life to viewers is not EXACTLY the same every single day of their lives.

I personally think Kate is an exaggerator. I've known many people like this in my life, might even have done it myself on occasion. That doesn't mean I'm going to take offense when I come to find out they exaggerated, especially when it doesn't affect me individually. And once I see any consistent tendencies in someone to exaggerate, I think know to take what they say with a grain of salt.

I can see how it seems inconsistent to some viewers, but I don't feel lied to.

I can see how Kate's "No one helps us" or "No one knows how to help us" comments might bug the people who have volunteered time and/or money to the G's. But as a mere viewer, I am not feeling misled.

This is what I mean when I say I see an overinvestment of emotion in some posters with regards the show. The reaction just seems over the top to me. I'm not trying to negate your feelings or the feelings of others, but hopefully you can understand that that's not the reaction everyone is going to have.

Fanny said...

aap said...

"I am ammending my PR plan for Jon and Kate to include Kate explaining that she is exaggerates a ton, and never noticed before until people have pointed it out to her, and that she is trying to change. Then she'll have a defense everytime she says something like "real cooks don't use receipes" and all I do is cook a meal, clean up after a meal, etc. I think basically people (rational criticizers) are responding to Kate implying that she does more herself, and doesn't acknowledge the help she has."


Okay, so she exaggerates a little...okay a lot. I think that is one of the things that would normally just be a personality flaw but with Kate it makes her a liar.

Also, a lot of the helpers have been on the show doing what they do(can I just say that it bugs the crap out of me that she has one person fold her laundry and another put it away?). That leads me to believe that she really isn't trying to hide it. She knows when the crew will be there and could schedule that help on down time if she wanted.

I still don't know if I believe she has a personal chef. Like someone else mentioned, when I see "personal chef", I think of someone that lives with you and cooks every meal. She did mention the craft table and I've heard those were mostly snacks so I wouldn't be suprised if on some long filming days they had an actual meal catered. It's really not that different from ordering take out but I'm sure it's much healthier.


Aside from the chef thing, we all knew she didn't do her laundry alone so if she sends it off now as reported, it's not a big surprise. Also, we all knew that Jodi and nana Janet helped by watching the kids. As far as Jenny, I'm not really put off by the fact that they have a nanny when many people who have fewer children have one.

These things really haven't been hidden from viewers. And if I'm right about the catering, I don't think it's relevant to her interviews. Even if they had one meal catered daily, that would still leave two other meals and I highly doubt she would trust anyone else to pack their lunches.

My point is, these latest interviews have been about food and cooking. If she happened to do one about the headache of doing laundry for 10 people, I'd be the first to call foul.

aap said...

Marci -

I think you are overstating my use of the word betrayed. Here's a definition of the word - I'm using it in the #6 context. Maybe deceived is a better word.

My world's not going to stop just because I found out that things on the show aren't as Kate and Jon would like them to appear to be and definitely don't think that I have an overinvestment in the show. However, I do tend to think of things in B&W, so maybe that's why the inconsistancies irkes me more than you.

As for being misled though, I think you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one because I do think Kate and Jon's inconsistancies are made to misled the viewer.

be·tray (b-tr)
tr.v. be·trayed, be·tray·ing, be·trays
1.
a. To give aid or information to an enemy of; commit treason against: betray one's country.
b. To deliver into the hands of an enemy in violation of a trust or allegiance: betrayed Christ to the Romans.
2. To be false or disloyal to: betrayed their cause; betray one's better nature.
3. To divulge in a breach of confidence: betray a secret.
4. To make known unintentionally: Her hollow laugh betrayed her contempt for the idea.
5. To reveal against one's desire or will.
6. To lead astray; deceive. See Synonyms at deceive.

aap said...

Fanny -

This is the part I don't understand. you state:

My point is, these latest interviews have been about food and cooking. If she happened to do one about the headache of doing laundry for 10 people, I'd be the first to call foul.

Yet it was just this season when Kate was complaining that all she does is make a meal, clean,,,etc. when the truth is most likely to be that she didn't make the meal, she go it off the craft services table. Which I'm sure includes meals as well as snacks (just because the crew can't go all day on snacks alone.)

So in a sense, Kate was saying she had a headache from cooking when she didn't cook.

Fanny said...

aap said...

"Yet it was just this season when Kate was complaining that all she does is make a meal, clean,,,etc. when the truth is most likely to be that she didn't make the meal, she go it off the craft services table. Which I'm sure includes meals as well as snacks (just because the crew can't go all day on snacks alone.)"


I'm saying that based on what I've heard(I've never been on an actual set), a craft table is JUST snacks. That's why I said that even if they had one meal a day catered by a "chef", that would still leave 2 other meals to be cooked.

Let me just throw this out there too: I have 2 kids. From the time that I finish cooking dinner, I spend probably 15 minutes herding them to the table(while explaining that "Barney" is not important enough to miss dinner), washing hands, fixing plates, pouring drinks...etc. Even when my husband brings home take out, I still have to go through the same routine. Afterwards, whether I cook or not, there are two messy kids, a messy table, and a messy floor to clean up. She has 8 to deal with. 8 kids, 8 plates, 8 drinks and 8 messes. Are you telling me that she NEVER does any of this?


You said:

"So in a sense, Kate was saying she had a headache from cooking when she didn't cook."

The comment I made about "the headaches of doing laundry for 10" was based on what I have seen with my very own eyes. Your comments is speculation. That's kind of my point.

marci said...

aap,

Yep, I agree....to disagree. ;)

Sorry. Don't mean to belabor the point, but your choice of adjectives still seems extreme to me...deceive, betrayal, what have you.

I'm sure, as with anything on tv, that things are "presented" in a certain way.

But if deception was the name of the game, to "present" Kate G. especially in the best light possible...as an overworked mom and homemaker living her life EXACTLY as we're told on the confessional couch ...you'd think the production company (and the G's themselves if "love offerings" was their ultimate goal) would have done a better job of hiding Kate's helpers (as Fanny mentioned), the freebies, and we'd have seen a lot more Stepford Parent behavior over the years of filming (playing nicey nice for the camera).

I guess I just believe that we can't possibly see everything on a show, so why assume that what we're being shown IS everything and then be disappointed when it's not?

Why is there no allowance for the fact that it IS a tv show and that, no matter how much a tv program claims to be "real," there's always going to be things going on "behind the curtains" that we don't see?

By the way, (and you didn't bring this up, I am)I am not talking AT ALL about how they portray their family relationships on the show. I think they gloss over that big time. But I also think that, ultimately, that's none of our business and I think their vague answers with regards to their family are a polite way of saying just that.

By the way, I think we need an abbreviation for "agree to disagree" in cyberspeak. AtoD, ATD or something of the sort. I'm getting worn out having to type it out all the time.

marci said...

aap,

Also meant to add....

Holy Merriam-Webster, Batman!!

Sorry. I just get tickled when people break out the dictionary.

aap said...

"So in a sense, Kate was saying she had a headache from cooking when she didn't cook."

The comment I made about "the headaches of doing laundry for 10" was based on what I have seen with my very own eyes. Your comments is speculation. That's kind of my point.

But Kate has said (this is direct from her blog)

Okay, seriously now, on filming days, we have what is known (in the world of TV) as “craft services” which is a meal delivered on set for the cast and crew. And on busy shoot days, that is what we have delivered here in organic fashion…and thank God for that!

Now, I know she is refering to a meal, but normally production crews are union, and there are mandoratory breaks they must have. If they are there 8 hours, they will get 2 meals (Breakfast and lunch, lunch and Dinner).

"Are you telling me that she NEVER does any of this?"

Nope not all. What I am saying is that when Kate was being filmed (therefore having craft services available) and said all she does is cook and clean up, according to her own blog, that is not true. That's my point. And no, its not speculation.

Guinevere said...

Oh, gosh, I have got to stay away from PM's blog. My brain is about to melt out of my ears at the stupidity and hypocrisy. The posters are all piling on Fiona, saying she doesn't have a life and she's mean and insensitive to reference PM's situation with her son. There aren't enough pots and kettles in the world for these women. Meanwhile, LW's letter to Bill O'Reilly was praised as "well-written" (!). And no one seems to have blinked an eye at PM comparing J&K to a child rapist/murderer. It's so crazy. It's like up is down and black is white there. I get different opinions, but when people are so clueless and unself-aware about how they are coming off, it kind of freaks me out.

Mom said...

Guin -

I just went over there too and thought "holy crap!" (Imagine in the tone of Peter Boyle on Everybody Loves Raymond.)

Fiona, poor thing, I feel bad for her. I keep thinking of the movie "Goodfellas" when Pauley says something like "I'm going to help you this time, but then I have to turn my back on ya," to Henry Hill.

I do have to credit PM for taking off the anon posting option. It was really kooky over there a few days back.

What's even better is the analysis of whether K is packing 2, 8 or 10 lunches in the morning over at the other place. People are analyzing every word of each of the food columns (STLPostDispatch & Woman's Day). I especially like the posts that say it takes a longer period of time to thaw frozen pasta sauce than it does to cook the pasta! LOL. Really?

And I have to giggle here a bit over how many meals she is really cooking, and how much clean up she really has - who cares!

Can't wait for Monday's epi when they answer more questions.

I need to pour myself a glass of wine tonight! :-)

rosedelima said...

Regarding Fiona:

Fiona is/was a regular poster at GWOP - so much in fact that the people over at Princess Marie Chantal use her comments as daily fodder.

Her stance - anti-Gosselin.

"Fiona" started posting on PennMommy - in a very uncharistically pro-Gosselin manner.

I as a reader of all things Gosselin, was confused.
Did Fiona have a change of heart? Did she switch teams? That was my assumption.

UNTIL "Fiona" started posting on GWOP again, in her usual "Fiona" manner.

PennMommy herself was worried that someone was impersonating "Fiona" - because of the variations in "stance".

"Fiona" clarified stating she had a problem with GWOP. (Don't know if it was settled)

So it's unfortunate that people have been "attacking" Fiona over at PennMommy - but that's par for the course over at Marie Chantal.

kingarthur said...

when people are so clueless and unself-aware about how they are coming off, it kind of freaks me out.

I think there some people who could say the same about you, Guinevere. IMO.

Guinevere said...

I think there some people who could say the same about you, Guinevere. IMO.

I'm sure there (sic) are. These are the same people who think it's a nifty idea to picket a charity event raising money for pediatric cancer research. Screw the sick kids, it's a chance to hurt Kate Gosselin! Great child advocates, these ladies.

I know when I'm being a bitch, I know when I'm getting overinvested. I'm not perfect, by a long shot, but I damn sure am self-aware. That is more than can be said of the nutbars posting at PM's site.

Fanny said...

aap said...

"What I am saying is that when Kate was being filmed (therefore having craft services available) and said all she does is cook and clean up, according to her own blog, that is not true. That's my point. And no, its not speculation."


As for her saying all she does is cook, that's exacty what I was referring to when I said:

"Okay, so she exaggerates a little...okay a lot. I think that is one of the things that would normally just be a personality flaw but with Kate it makes her a liar."

You don't KNOW what or when they eat or who cooks their food. Isn't it just a little unfair to call her a liar because you don't THINK she does it?

Notice she says they have the craft table on BUSY days. Not EVERY day.

Unless her blog says "my family ONLY eats from the craft table", then yes, it is speculation.

I actually laughed when she said that. It was something along the lines of "Cook a meal, clean up a meal, poop, pee, bodily fluids..."
I thought it was pretty funny myself. And yes, I thought she was exaggerating, just a tad.

Are you as burnt out on this subject as I am? lol

anya said...

rosedelima said...
"Regarding Fiona:
Fiona is/was a regular poster at GWOP - so much in fact that the people over at Princess Marie Chantal use her comments as daily fodder.

Her stance - anti-Gosselin.

"Fiona" started posting on PennMommy - in a very uncharistically pro-Gosselin manner.

I as a reader of all things Gosselin, was confused.
Did Fiona have a change of heart? Did she switch teams? That was my assumption."


My take is a little different. I think Fiona started to question the let's get the Gosselins' at any cost herd mentality she was seeing. She seems to have a genuine albeit overinvested concern for the Gosselin children. I think she looked around and saw that nothing was being accomplished other than ranting and raving about Kate and freebies. I also think she was put off by the coy references of the supposed "insiders" to a situation that was much worse than the dirty laundry that had been aired previously. When she started asking questions, she was basically told to pipe down because we are all know that Miss Julie, etc. commands a certain level of respect due to her station and we should not become greedy and think that she is going to air ALL her family's dirty laundry - just those portions of it that she chooses to on a particular day.

That's my take anyway sitting on the sidelines and not knowing her personally.

Fanny said...

anya said...

"When she started asking questions, she was basically told to pipe down because we are all know that Miss Julie, etc. commands a certain level of respect due to her station..."


This drives me nuts! What exactly has julie done that has garnered her so much respect?

Well, from what I've seen of the gwoppers it really doesn't surprise me that they would pick such an internet attention whore for their queen. It really does say a lot about them and what their true motives are.

copyed said...

I'm sure there (sic) are.

In the OP comment - it is missing the "are" - but the "there" is not misspelled.

I think there (are) some people who could say the same about you, Guinevere. IMO.

Anonymous said...

attention whore

So, it's ok to call a stranger a "whore" or "nut bar" "delusional" and or the many words for "stupid" - but the majority of you agree that "it's not fair" for the Gosselins to be the recipients of so much hate?

Guinevere said...

copyed, I misread it. Probably why I shouldn't be bitchy and cap on other people's grammar and spelling, but I'm feeling snippy today.

anonymous, I'm creating a macro right now: how "ok" it is to call anyone any names is up to the individual. I don't have a huge problem with people calling people names. Sticks and stones and all that.

I have a problem with calling CPS on parents because you dislike them, on acting morally superior while calling the kids you "advocate" for names (like "oafish") and with thinking it's appropriate to picket a fundraiser for pediatric cancer research. With about a couple of dozen other things the GWoPpers do. If you want to call Kate Gosselin names, have at it. I've said before, and I will reiterate, that this blog would not exist if the nutbars were confining themselves to name-calling.

aap said...

Mom -

And I have to giggle here a bit over how many meals she is really cooking, and how much clean up she really has - who cares!

Actually, my point I was trying to make was that Kate's personality and the conflicting things she says makes her more of a target than say Amy Roloff, not to specifically talk about how many days she has craft service.

""Okay, so she exaggerates a little...okay a lot. I think that is one of the things that would normally just be a personality flaw but with Kate it makes her a liar.""

Franny, the problem is that even though you see it that way, there are many people who don't. And that right now this minute, is causing Kate a PR nightmare. You can argue with me all you want about Kate's intentions, but I am not the posting anytime Kate has an interview, and writing to Bill O'Reilly. And those people are spreading THEIR view of Kate, and if she doesn't do something to stop it now, the people reading the GWoP view might be inspired to start writing letters too.

I am saying it would be a smart PR move for Kate to nip it in the bud now, because 6 months from now the myth of "Kate Gosselin" might be so big that it is unstoppable.

"Notice she says they have the craft table on BUSY days. Not EVERY day."

Actually the first part of the post does state "Okay, seriously now, on filming days, we have what is known (in the world of TV) as “craft services”". Notice she says WE not THE CREW(and just be be clear, I never said they eat craft services every day, just when they're filming.) And you've seen her life, tell me what day isn't a busy day for Kate, let alone when they are filming? There - I am officially done with the craft services topic.

Come on, I thought I was being sooooo good acknowledging that Kate might not be all bad when she took that picture with the girl :-)

Fanny said...

aarp,

I don't think it's necessarily a a "PR nightmare".

I seriously doubt that even half of the viewers are even aware of the so called "controversy".

If I'm right, and the show has 100,000 viewers(I just made that up, I have no idea what the real # is), and 20,000 of them are in on the internet gossip, and 10,000 of the internet group is pro-gosselin, does it make sense to risk turning off a loving audience to pander to a small percentage of naysayers?

Add to that the fact that so far, the good they are doing only seems to be making it worse, ie "damage control". I would be stunned if Kate did what you are suggesting and the gwop gang said "okay, she's being honest now. Guess we can wrap this up." You and I both know that most of them would still find something to be outraged about. What is the point in indulging these people who obviously will not change their minds? And who really cares anyway when they will undoubtedly tune in every week?


Ok, I know we both said we were done but I wanted to address this. I was not trying to get the last word, I swear:-)

aap said...

Hey Fanny -

I think we both meant in regards to the craft services we were done. To me this is a whole other issue.

I don't know how long you've been on the Gosselin blogs are how you got here. If it's been a while, would you have ever guessed that the National Inquirer would write an article about the Gosselins, let alone 2?

I've been on for almost 3 months maybe? I found these blogs, not because I was searching for answers about the Gosselins, but because I sometimes read a celebrity gossip blog called Bricks and Stones and they had a link to Gwop in regards to the sign on their lawn scandal.

When I found out about these blogs, I told my mom, my aunt, my cousin and 4 of my friends who like to watch Jon and Kate. So personally I am responsible for increasing the traffic to the blogs by 7 people. If 20,000 people each tell say 3 people, and those 3 people tell 3 people, soon there won't be a person on earth who hasn't heard of the controversy. In addition, for the people who don't have the internet, the National Inquirer will help to inform them. How long will it be before a credible news source picks up the story?

And while the initial letter writers to the talk shows that are having Jon and Kate appear will come off as crackpots, it will encourage their research staff to look into the story, and possibly lead to Regis and Kelly asking questions about the controversy, again increasing the audience aware of the situation, and leading even more people to search the internet in search of answers. (Which is how several people explained how/why they found the blogs.)

As for pandering to the naysayers, well I have to say that the number of posts at GwoP speak for themselves. In addition, despite of what some people think, Julie and Penn Mom do come across as credible - this accounts for all the "you are so brave for telling the truth" posts. They are very effective in presenting their viewpoint of Jon and Kate. Also, it doesn't help that Kate has said on the show how wonderful Beth and Jodi are, and now they are no longer around? Well, if they were so wonderful before, and jon and Kate aren't saying what went wrong but Jodi's sister is, well who are you going to believe? (not you personally, I know were you stand.)

All in all, I give it 6 months before everyone you know has heard of the controversy. While you might think the split will be 50/50, I'm not convinced of that.

Mom said...

aap -
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Fanny said...

aap,

Okay. Point taken. However, we can't possibly know if of the 3 people who told 3 people and so on will take your stance or mine. You think that Julie and PM's blogs are effective(I'm assuming you mean showing the Gosselins in a bad light), whereas I feel that they are only seeking attention, therefore killing the credibility for me. This may not make sense to you, so let me explain.

I can't exactly remember how I came to find Gwop, but it wasn't because I was looking for info. I read the first few posts and some of the comments and was immediately turned off by it, and I am not a huge fan of Kate. Curiosity got the better of me and I started doing a little research. I wasn't posting on any blog at that time, I was just lurking.

Anyway, the next time I checked gwop I saw the link to Julies blog. That was red flag #1 for me. I read it, and while I had my doubts about her being who she said she was, I remember thinking that it was pretty petty to get involved with people who obviously have an irrational hate of this woman, and worse to feed that hate, whether what she was saying was true or not.

Then, as time went on, I started noticing that she had stopped posting on her blog and became a regular at gwop. Red flag #2. Gwop may have cleaned up it's act a little as of late, but back then, the things they were saying about kate and the kids were just appalling. So for her to participate just made me think less of her. To top it off, just recently she addressed the negative comments about the children and basically dismissed them as being unimportant. I don't know about you, but if ANYONE were saying things like that about kids that I cared about I could not and would not defend it(I am aware of the fact that Julie wasn't close to the gosselin kids but she has been Jodi's voice, and Jodi has made it clear that she supports what she says). It seems to me that Julie went from defending her sister to "advocating" for the children. I just don't believe that this was her intention all along and I feel that she's using it now as an excuse for what she's done, just as the rest of the gwoppers do. It seems very transparent to me.

As far as penn mommy, she claims to be protecting the children by not giving info about them, but seems totally oblivious to the fact that she is fueling this hatred of their family by inviting the gwop regulars to come there and tear them apart. I can only speak for myself, but if I were in the position of either of these women, I would be furious about what goes on at gwop and it would be a cold day in hell before you saw a link to that hate site on my blog, if it's existance alone wasn't enough to keep me from starting one in the first place. It all seems very hypocritical to me.

The point I have been trying to make in my very windy post is that there really is no way to tell which side anyone will end up on. It's more about how you view things that it is about what is actually said.

I know I've gone off subject here but I thought it would help you to understand why I feel the way I do since you've so graciously taken the time to argue with me all
day:-)

aap said...

Franny,

I do appreciate yours and Guinevere's position, even though I don't completely agree with it. I think both of you have concerns which are valid. However, when I see the number of posts at Gwop vs. here, and the amount of support Penn Mommy and Julie have at both GWoP and Penn Mommy's blog, I just think they out number the number of posters here. So I am basing my theory on the numbers, not personal feelings.

Add to that fanatic anti-gosselins, whose mission in life is to spread their view of Kate everywhere they can - really, where do they get the time? - well, I just don't see that passion to fight the anti-gosselins at every blog and message board.

aap said...

Fanny -

I also appreciate you taking the time to explain your point of view :-).

Anonymous said...

AAP
I haven't really read all of your comments but I would like to point out that the people posting on Penn Mommy's blog appear to be the same people that post on GWoP and also seem to be the same few people posting over and over.

aap said...

Anon -

you have a point, but the same could be said of this blog, too.

Anonymous said...

AAP

I was not comparing the two blogs. Just pointing out that Penn Mommy and GWoP are really like the same blog. If you are talking about numbers and blogs - they really need to be viewed as the same blog. IMO. Penn Mommy's blog just gives the people posting more freedom for discussion than GWoP and that is why they go there.

aap said...

Anon -

I see your point, and agree.

erin said...

AAP said: "I just don't see that passion to fight the anti-gosselins at every blog and message board."

It is really hard to fight against them at places like GWoP. I found that blog early on when I was watching the drama back at the now defunct TWoP board. The thread was shut, they started a new one specifically to post the link to their new board, and I happened to see the link before it was deleted and the thread was closed. After being chased off for going up against one of them (I was piled on--the posts have since been deleted) I started an experiment of sorts, post anonymously pro and post anonymously anti--every anti post made it through and 0/5 pro posts made it through (the subject was Julie's blog: I said (and maintain) that both sides behaved badly but that is basically questioning Julie which is verboten). Other viewpoints are not welcome there.

Pennmommy--the same thing happens, whether she moderates or not. That board exploded with "How dare you" posts the second fiona started to turn. You can only bang your head against a wall so much.