This email was sent to us by pinkcupcake13, the person who posted the Birmingham Q&A video on youtube. She sent the same email to GWoP.
I'm pinkcupcake13 & I am the one who videoed & posted the Gosselin Q&A in Birmingham on youtube. My only purpose for the video was for a family member that couldn't attend. I only got a few minutes here & there, not the entire, almost hour long session. I have been asked questions on youtube so here are the answers....
The set up was a stage in the corner of a convention center. The event was a Women's show were vendors & stores have booths set up with things for sale. It is an annual event & each day there is some kind of celebrity or entertainment. The following day Marlee Matlin & Fabian Sanchez were there. It costs $8 to get in, but you are paying to walk & shop, not to see the celeb of the day, they are just a bonus. So people weren't paying to see J & K., it was for the entire day.
There were zero rules. J & K were introduced by 2 local radio DJ's. They walked out, to loud cheers & were actually shocked by the overwhleming Alabama welcome. They were gracious, never once acted like they were superior. They chatted about the weather & sweet tea. Then Jon said, "Ask us questions." It was a complete open forum. Anyone could ask anything. We were no prepped before the show. Everyone was taking pictures & videoing, just like I was. I sat maybe 10 feet from them. Someone even asked what it was like to have cameras follow them & Jon said, "Well, we are being taped now!" & motioned to the crowd as he laughed. Some of the questions that were asked were kinda odd, like the Mom of 16, wanting advice for her 15 year old. Kate really didn't know what to say. I mean think about it, who wants to talk about being a Mom to a 15 yr old? I think she handled that the best way she could. And then the potty training question. When that Mom said one of her babies had passed away, everyone in the audiance had the same response as K. It was a bit awkward to even say in that kind of setting. Sorta Negative Nelly, ya know? I mean really what was Kate supposed to do, jump off the stage & go give the lady a hug? There wasn't a way for her too, if she wanted too, since the crowd was so large & the lady was at the back.
Jodi & Beth were not mentioned, but Jon did mention Bob in an answer to working from home. And he didn't do it with malice or his face didn't twitch & Kate didn't have a scowled look in her face, at the mention of his name.
They also said that they do not know when the show will end. They take it season to season. K has kept her nursing license to possibly go back when all the kids are in school full time. The tups are now in 3 day a week preschool. They are moving. J & K were really nice & easy going. They complimented other peoples children. And answered everything that was asked. They joked & bantered with each other & the crowd. After it was over they came to the sides of the stage & chatted with others & took pictures. Then they went to sign autographs. The line was super long or I would have stayed. There was no mention of college funds or $20 pictures. No poor us statements. It was just asking 2 people questions, that's all. If they thought so highly of themselves I would think there would more restrictions & things wouldn't be so free. They were pleasant & warm, believe me us Southerner's know when someone is full of themselves. :)
I have been aware of this blog & others, so I was a bit afraid of even posting this on youtube. I didn't want anything I played a part in, being taken & used for those who apparently find joy in bashing & tearing apart others character. I wasn't completely shocked that my videos were posted on your blog, I was just surprise at how quickly, it was less then 12 hrs after I uploaded them. There must be someone who spends alot of time trying to find anything & everything out about this family.
I am a fan of Jon & Kate, but I do not believe they are perfect peopleby any means, because no one is perfect. They are normal people, who God chose to give 8 healthy beautiful children too & now they find themselves in an extraordinary situation. We will all find fault with each other, but I do not believe in being so brutal & absolutely mean. It is one thing to say you don't agree with things, but you cross the line with the personal attacks. I'm not nessesarily directing it to you that run this blog, but to those that run like pironas to the bait. I know some say that they are doing this out of care & concern for the kids, but really when you step back & look at all that is being said, is it really in the best interest of these kids? And does Kate's reported behavior give others the excuse to act with such vicious intent? I think everyone needs to stop & remember we are ALL human. And if each of us lived under a microscope, what things would be found that some would not agree with? As I know because I have been guilty of it in situtations, when you go into looking at things with an already formed opinion & think negatively about it, then all you are going to see is negativity. And you will then pick every tiny thing apart. Making even something as simple as a look or sigh, into the what you believe it meant.
I truly believe in what goes around comes around. Do to others, what you would have them do to you. And if Kate & Jon are these horrible people that according to some that they are, then it will come back around. It's no ones place to be their judge & conscious. You reap what you sow & that also goes for the words that are typed in comments & blogs. Words can never be taken back. So, I would be careful with how freely you let those words fly, because one day you may be reminded of something you said. And then it will be too ate.
Know that I am not coming from a place of anger, but out of not understanding how people think they are justified in all this bitterness. I have deleted the videos from youtube, since 2000 got to see them.
Have a blessed weekend.
Thank You,
~P
67 comments:
Thanks pinkcupcake. I was one of the lucky 2,000 who got to see your videos (except for one of them, oh well).
I appreciate you sharing your experiences. I think it gave those of us who have not an opportunity to attend a good overview of what these events are typically like.
I just want to close with saying how much I concur with your sentiments below. Very well said:
I know some say that they are doing this out of care & concern for the kids, but really when you step back & look at all that is being said, is it really in the best interest of these kids? And does Kate's reported behavior give others the excuse to act with such vicious intent? I think everyone needs to stop & remember we are ALL human. And if each of us lived under a microscope, what things would be found that some would not agree with? As I know because I have been guilty of it in situtations, when you go into looking at things with an already formed opinion & think negatively about it, then all you are going to see is negativity. And you will then pick every tiny thing apart. Making even something as simple as a look or sigh, into the what you believe it meant.
Thank you for sharing your video's, I also got to see them, all 3. And I really enjoyed seeing them.
P, I watched the videos, and enjoyed seeing them. I also believe in karma...what goes around, comes around.
*Applause* Thank you, P. Well written, and my thoughts exactly.
The comments over on the other board regarding these videos are just laughable.
Thanks, Pinkcupcake!
I was able to see all three videos and I truly appreciate the fact that you shared them with us.
I, too, am a firm believer of "what goes around comes around" and am glad too see that I am not alone in thinking this!
I've never quite understood why people on the other sites sit around and just bash these people. I mean, yeah, I don't agree with how they handle things sometimes, but I'm sure there are tons of people who don't believe in how I was raised either. And if somebody turned cameras on my family all they would see is screaming and yelling, even though we all really do love each other and have tons of fun, just, if you filmed every minute of our lives, it wouldn't look like that.
I was glad to finally hear that the tups are in preschool. I was kind of worried about that. And I did get a chance to see all 3 videos and thought that they answered the questions as best they could, they never seemed like they didn't want to answer, just that they didn't know how to answer, which is understandable.
Thank you, pinkcupcake, for the videos and your information on how the speaking engagement went!
There are many out here who agree with you that the negativity online appears to be for negativity's sake.
pinkcucake13 wrote:
I wasn't completely shocked that my videos were posted on your blog, I was just surprise at how quickly, it was less then 12 hrs after I uploaded them. There must be someone who spends alot of time trying to find anything & everything out about this family.
It doesn't require a lot of time. Just set up a Google Video Alert. I use their news alert to get quuick updates about the area in iraq where my nephew serves.
I looked and didn't see Pink's letter on GWOP. Only Sharla trying to diffuse the situation by saying that they didn't realize that the person who sent them wasn't Pink herself. But yet VERY quick to say that You Tube is a public forum.
I did not get to hear the interviews since my audio was down but I'm sorry that this happened. Its amazing how small the internet world of Jon & Kate is. Every hater out there is looking for something, anything to read or see to bash them on. Thank you for posting it though for some to see and just enjoy.
I am not a big fan of Kate, but it is nice to hear from someone who actually went to hear them speak and enjoyed it. I wish she'd let Jon do some of the talking, LOL!
Great job pinkcupcake!
Thanks for posting those. It was nice to actually see them in a speaking environment without second "gossip" of what actually is said. Its amazing on different sites how they are bashed for everything they say or do. I'm not a Jon and Kate devotee. I do like to watch the show and think their children are adorable. They are not the perfect parents and own up to that. I find it sad that people look for every little thing or gesture to tear them down. It's nice to have a place to post where you can be honest in your feelings be it a "pro" or "against" Gosselins. In viewing the video I really do not see all the bad that is portrayed of being rude. They are just people with a beautiful family.
If you recorded this video only due to the fact that someone could not attend and also had concerns the video would be used negatively, why would you post it on youtube.com?
I wish GWOP had enough cajones to post this, I'd love to see their poster's response. Its about time someone was able to call out how truely hatefull some posters are. I've never seen people speak with such venom and malice over a subject not related to politics. The GWOPPers scare me. You say anything remotely positive about the show and they jump down your throat and call you a mindless supporter. All they want to hear is their supposed "truth".
And someone here posts they believe Penn Mommy and Julie they get harassed for accepting heresay as fact. All you want to hear are the posts that support your thoughts too.
You are all willing to accept the word of someone you just met on the internet, yet because her thought process is the same as yours, you are willing to take her word for what she says and 10 minutes of an hour Q&A. Why is pinkcupcakes word any more valuable than Penn Mommy's? Becaue she bashes GWOPs instead of Jon and Kate?
The article quotes "Joan Brenner." She is one of the Nana's right? It appears they haven't driven away everyone - she has nice things to say.
Nothing much new in the article. The article says Kate stays trim by spending an hour and 15 minutes on the treadmill each morning. I thought Kate didn't do excercise? :-) I wonder if they got mixed up with Jon?
Nice quote from Kate: "Big news - we love each other, and our marriage is not about to crumble." I know this will disapoint the many folks on the other site clammering for Jon to walk out the door....
I think that pinkcupcake posted this on youtube and GDNOP and GWOP picked it up. I do not recall her specifically bashing GWOP. Instead she mentions, as did NoMoreDrama, that the Gs were very open in their speech.
You are all willing to accept the word of someone you just met on the internet, yet because her thought process is the same as yours, you are willing to take her word for what she says and 10 minutes of an hour Q&A. Why is pinkcupcakes word any more valuable than Penn Mommy's? Becaue she bashes GWOPs instead of Jon and Kate?
No, we didn't just "accept the word" of someone we met on the internet. She had ACTUAL video of the event. We saw with our own two eyes the way Jon and Kate presented that day and how they answered questions.
It's not hearsay when you actually observe the event happening. As to what she said about not being prepped, not sure why she'd make this up seeing as anyone else who attended the event could call her out.
The bottom line is, 90% of the viewing population has no idea about the online bashing of the Gosselins. So most people aren't going to asking questions about GWoP talking points.
Someone on another site found those videos and sent them to gwop because they wanted to see the reaction. Gwop has gotten pretty predictable, so we all get a good laugh when they take something like this and pick it apart. I doubt very seriously that they look at themselves with such a critical eye.
you saw 10 minutes of a 60 minute speech. how do you know she didn't show just what she knew you would agree with?
What does she care what we agree with? One would think that if she saw something questionable she'd say so. Isn't that how so many of the anti's go from uber fan to hater? If they begged for money and acted like jerks she might be another reformed "sheeple" story on gwop.
NMD, I believe your account of what occurred at the Speaking Engagement you attended. I believe much of what ocurred in the unseen footage was the same as what Pinkcupcake captured. I am sure both were uneventful.
What I found odd, is that prior, speaking events were not allowed to be taped, nor cameras allowed (no reporters, etc). This information was taken from the various sites that promoted each speaking engagement.
I think prior to the controversies, reagarding "crying poor", "college funds", etc. Jon and Kate were representing themselves as such.
Since they are now being handled by a PR firm, it is not a stretch to believe they were told not to do so.
I don't want to say the dreaded "DC" word, but why all of as sudden cameras allowed? Video tape too? Of course so the word can get out that they don't talk about being destitute - now.
They took a chance with the open forum, I think they did because they were banking that at the Southern Women's Conference no one would be "rude" and ask the real burning questions.
Just my opinion, of course.
Actually, people have posted on this very blog things Jon and Kate have said on their show that is contrary to what we know about them, and regular posters have all sort of excuses on how Jon and Kate are probably saying that to seem more "relatable" to the audience at home.
For example, this was cut and pasted from another post here.
comesclean said...
Regarding the Mission Statement:
It is highlighted in the "Chores" episode.
In this episode you will hear what the "Gosselin Family Mission Statement" - listen to all the points and think if Jon and Kate really follow their own "rules".
This episode was an eye opener for me because
1 - they talked about the importance of giving back and paying forward (I have never seen evidence of that prior to all the "controversies")
2 - Jon and Kate say they give back because they were "once" the recipient of kindness (as if it was an isolated incident and still not ocurring)
3 - That their family comes before anything with the show - then came the hairplug episode where they left their sick kids.
Personally, sometimes, I think the show highlights all the inconsistencies.
And if 90% of the population aren't aware of the online bashing, then pink cupcakes stands a pretty good chance of posting whatever she wants and having it go unchallenged.
Actually, people have posted on this very blog things Jon and Kate have said on their show that is contrary to what we know about them, and regular posters have all sort of excuses on how Jon and Kate are probably saying that to seem more "relatable" to the audience at home.
For example, this was cut and pasted from another post here.
comesclean said...
Regarding the Mission Statement:
It is highlighted in the "Chores" episode.
In this episode you will hear what the "Gosselin Family Mission Statement" - listen to all the points and think if Jon and Kate really follow their own "rules".
This episode was an eye opener for me because
1 - they talked about the importance of giving back and paying forward (I have never seen evidence of that prior to all the "controversies")
2 - Jon and Kate say they give back because they were "once" the recipient of kindness (as if it was an isolated incident and still not ocurring)
3 - That their family comes before anything with the show - then came the hairplug episode where they left their sick kids.
Personally, sometimes, I think the show highlights all the inconsistencies.
And if 90% of the population aren't aware of the online bashing, then pink cupcakes stands a pretty good chance of posting whatever she wants and having it go unchallenged.
Not everyone is out to decieve the world. I think Pinkcupcake seems like a person who is merely trying to explain the context of the video she posted. I post things on you tube for my parents all the time and they don't get picked up by people who rip apart my parenting skills.
you saw 10 minutes of a 60 minute speech. how do you know she didn't show just what she knew you would agree with?
(sarcasm alert!)
Exactly Anonymous 8:27! I bet at least 10 minutes was Kate on her hands and knees begging the audience for nickels.
Who knows, maybe the next 20 minutes was spent doing a power point presentation about how much all those college educations will cost them.
As a matter of fact, I bet she spent another 10 minutes twisting Jon's arm behind his back and making him shout UNCLE!!!
And I bet that she wrapped the whole thing up with a 10 minute rant on how her next steps involve ...
TAKING OVER THE WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BAW HA HA HA !!!
My goodness -- if it bothers you so much ...
*turn off the tv
*step away from the keyboard
*do not click the youtube links
Kelley I was just pointing out that when someone posts on this board using Jon and Kate's own comments in a negative light, or uses something Julie says as a source for their theories, people get all up in arms about heresay, and evidence and facts. Look how many posts their were defending Jon and Kate's (apparent) lack of charity contributions. People said that Jon and Kate could do whatever they wanted with the gifts they received, that it was theirs to do what Jon and Kate wanted, and the same posters completely ignored the fact that Jon and Kate themselves said the right thing to do is to give back, and that giving back was their family mission.
People on this board ignore how many times Kate subtlety asks for things on the show (Do you hear that Lord, they want a dog. And not just any old dog, a specific type of dog. Don't screw this up and get them a dog that sheds), despite the fact that they are now well off and can buy their own damn dog. (Kate gives new meaning to ask, and you shall receive.)
Or they don't question how Jon can sit on the Q&A show and make it seem like they actually come up with all the ideas for places that they go, even if most will say that the producer Jen does come up with some ideas. (Well, even if it is a reality show, it's not really real, so if Kate and Jon have to fudge on things it's ok because it makes them relatable. Who believes everything you see on tv anyway?) But Julie is a lying, bitter shrew who has nothing better to do than spread unsubstantiated rumors about the family, while the family is taking the high road by not responding. (Chances are, Jon and Kate probably are not responding because the rumors are true, and they have no defense. They reason Jon and Kate didn't plug "their" book - how much of this did Jon write anyway - on Regis and Kelly is because the producer told them they couldn't talk about the book without mentioning where is Beth, so instead of choosing to talk about Beth and the book or their family they chose to talk about their family. The reason there were so many inappropriate props was because having the kids there was a last minute thing.)
Pinkcupcake could very well have good intentions. I'm just saying that everyone here jumped on her bandwagon because she was saying things that most posters here already agree with. If Pinkcupcake posted 10 minutes of negative things that Jon and Kate said, everyone here would be up in arms how she took things out of context, and you couldn't make a full decision without seeing EVERYTHING Jon and Kate said.
It's all a matter of perception.
Actually Linda, I was implying no such thing about Jon and Kate. Why would you jump to that conclusion?
My post about the youtube videos had everything to do with what the people who post here chose to believe, and very little with what Jon and Kate had to say. So let's take my post piece by peice, shall we?
You are all willing to accept the word of someone you just met on the internet
No one here has actually met Pinkcupcake right? So despite all of your warnings about not believing everything you read on the internet, you chose to take her at her word? However, if you have actually met her, then this statement is indeed false and you have a point.
yet because her thought process is the same as yours, you are willing to take her word for what she says and 10 minutes of an hour Q&A.
What if Pinkcupcake just chose to air 10 minutes of Jon and Kate begging for money? Are you telling me that you wouldn't be complaining that we don't know the whole story because we didn't see everything they said. Or how Pinkcupcake was just a GWOP who attended the event to cause Jon and Kate problems, and conveniently brought her camera so she could ask nasty questions and watch Jon and Kate defend themselves?
Why is pinkcupcakes word any more valuable than Penn Mommy's?
Why indeed? What has she done to show she's a trustworthy person and a reliable source?
anonymous 10:03 pm -
You know as well as I do that the issue of pinkcupcake's credibility is actually a red herring in this circumstance.
This is not a case in which pinkcupcake posted a narrative about her observations of the Birmingham Q & A. She posted an actual video.
Her credibility is not an issue with what we see in the video.
I suppose that we could go with your argument that she censored and ultimately eliminated the portions
of the Q & A in which Kate cries poor.
Okay. Whatever!
Anon,
I do see what you're saying. We didn't see the entire 60 mins so we can't know for certain what else was said. I tend to believe her only because what she said fits in line with my experience, not my opinion.
However, with that being said, the reason we posted this article here is because she wanted to have a chance to explain herself after she was raked through the coals at GWoP. She sent this same email to GWoP and (to my knowledge) this was not posted there. Do you think it's fair that a person be accused for a rather innocent act (posting some videos on youtube)?
Again, I would argue that it's not necessarily the fact that she is posting a pro-Gosselin sentiment that I believe her. It's because what she says makes sense. AND if she was lying, she could have easily been refuted by others who attended the event. There are so many people that come out with "inside" information that turn out to be scammers. Most of the stories involve one-on-one interactions that cannot be verified or refuted. Other claims are mere speculation that come out of left field sometimes. Some are outright outlandish and crazy. I'm sorry, I'm not going to believe something like "all of the adults stood by while a 7 year old was bleeding" or "Kate never gave back a day in her life prior to the PR firm stepping in." If something doesn't make sense, it's probably not true.
Sorry for the ramble. All of this is to say that I tend to believe things that can be verified by multiple individuals. Not just one person's word.
I am pinkcupcake13. I am the one who went to the Birmingham event & those are my youtube videos.
I was planning on going with my cousin, who ended up not being able to attend. I promised her pictures & a bit of video if I could. But I thought they may not allow me to even have my camera there. That evening she was excited to see the videos & I posted them quickly. I was tired & not thinking at the time. I did know pro & anti-Gosselin sites existed, because I found them a few months ago. But I have never commented on any of the pro or anti sites. I have stopped by a few times, that is all. Because I have knowlegde of these sites, I took the embedded feature of the videos, for good measure (I thought). The next morning I was shocked that they had been viewed so quickly, by so many & realized that I didn't think about them being able to be linked. Duh! I felt stupid. I went to GWoP & there were my videos. I didn't immediately take them down, because I had promised other friends that live out of state that they could see them. I waited & when the total hit 2000, I saw all the comments they were getting on my youtube channel as well as the blogs, I couldn't take it anymore. So I deleted them & sent the above e-mail to GWop & to this blog. The Moderators at GWop, responded & apologized, because someone had used my pinkcupcake13 name in an e-mail address & said they could use the videos. I don't even have that as an e-mail. That kinda freaked me out. The moderators over here asked my permission to post the e-mail & I gave it. Gwop asked me to summerize my experience & leave it in the comments if I wanted too. I choose not too.
I have no reason to lie or fabricate anything. The 3 videos I took were in the middle of taking pictures & just listening the questions & answers. I had no clue what was going to be asked beforehand. One video was after a lady asked about couponing, I missed some of the answer. I got that because my family & friends are all into couponing & I thought they would enjoy hearing that answer.
The video where Jon talks about becoming a Christian (I missed Kate's explanation) was because I am a Christian as is my fam & most of my friends. Again I thought they would like to hear the answer. The Gosselins do share their faith to some degree on the show, but this is something they may not be able to share. Other questions were asked while filming, so I continued.
I did not film just the "postive" stuff. These sites were not on my mind. There was no selfish gain in the videos, just simply videoing for family & friends. If I had known that they would have caused such a ruckus I never would have videod & surely wouldn't have added them to youtube. You don't have to believe me or trust my credibilty. But I have nothing to gain by lying. I'm not bashing anyone in the e-mail, because why would I stand up against something like that & be doing the same exact thing? And if I were bashing GWop, why would I send the same e-mail here? But if you want to see it as bashing, then that's your opinion. I'm sorry it was taken that way, it was never my goal at all. But you can't please everyone & people are going to see what they want too see. You know...I had a grandmother like that...You could have given her a brand new crisp 100 dollar bill & she would find something wrong with it. She found fault in every single thing & she lived a miserable life because of it. i'm not pointing fingers, just using her as an example.
To answer other things...Kate actually did let Jon talk more than is shown in the videos. Which I thought was funny, since we don't see that as much on the show. Even one time someone asked Kate a question & as she started to answer, Jon began talking over her & she said, "See he's cutting me off again." They laughed & so did everyone esle.
I posted the videos on youtube, because I didn't know of any other place for my fam & friends to see them. It was never for this all to take place...I promise.
Thanks goes out to those that have defended me...I appreciate it. I feel like I was sorta drug into a situation I had no intentions of being in. And if you did get a chance to see the videos & enjoyed them...I'm glad. :)
P.S. Sorry this comment turned into a book!
http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/
Aunt Jodies sister is at it
Pinkcupcake I am not questioning what you did, or saying I don't believe what you are writing is accurate. I'm just saying that if you posted some clips that showed Jon and Kate looking bad, and had a negative response to their talk, you would be raked over the coals here instead of GWOP even though the "evidence" you provided was essentially the same. I am not bashing you or questioning what you did in anyway, and hope you don't let anonymous strangers make you feel bad about what you did.
I tend to believe things that can be verified by multiple individuals
NMD I don't believe that's true. Things PennMommy said supported things that Julie said, and makes sense of a lot of people. You can argue that that is no proof that PennMommy is real, just like I can argue their is no proof Pinkcupcake is real (how do we know she is not part of Jon and Kate's PR team trying to spread positive information to improve Jon and Kate's image?) The reason you don't believe Julie and PennMommy is because it doesn't fit with your perception of Jon and Kate, while Pinkcupcake's does. I know that you have seen Jon and Kate speak in person, so I understand that you have more information to base your beliefs on. However, how many people here know you personally? If they don't know you personally, why is it ok that they could accept your word as truth but not someone like Julie's?
So what I am saying is that you are using the same judgement to believe Pinkcupcake, that other people - not just GWOPers but people who question Jon and Kate, use. Who you believe all comes down to how you feel about Jon and Kate.
Anon 6:29 am
Many people believed Julie was who she said she was. Motive was more in question.
And you are right, all of this is just someone's opinion. Including Julie.
"Things PennMommy said supported things that Julie said "
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Sure, because if the same story or a variation of the same story is repeated enough it becomes the truth right?
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"how do we know she is not part of Jon and Kate's PR team trying to spread positive information to improve Jon and Kate's image?"
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You know just this morning I was going to type a tongue in cheek warning to pinkcupcake that next she would be characterized as part of J&Ks PR team. I didn't do it. Maybe I should have.
Seriously anon 6:42, if this show and this couple drive you so nuts why do you still watch them?
When Tom Cruise started jumping all over couches, telling Matt Lauer that he was "glib" about psychiatry, and telling Brooke Shields that her post-partum depression was likely caused by her nutrient-deficient and exercise absent lifestyle, do you know what I did?
I stopped watching Tom Cruise.
I don't go to his movies anymore. I don't watch him when he is on tv talk shows. Why? He is not entertaining to me and furthermore his extremist positions on mental health seem dangerous.
I did not start a blog. I did not go from news article to news article to post slamming comments about him and his family.
I, and probably alot of the viewing public, reduced his earning potential and his exposure by NO LONGER WATCHING HIM!
None of the viewing public are victims of the entertainment industry. We have control over the television choices that I make.
You can do it. Stop watching the show. Turn the tv to HGTV or something.
Linda
if this show and this couple drive you so nuts why do you still watch them?
Can you show me 1 quote where I said anything negative about Jon and Kate or said I didn't like them or their show?
Just. Show. Me. One.
Sure, because if the same story or a variation of the same story is repeated enough it becomes the truth right?
Well, do you verify something by using 2 contradicting reports?
When an anonymous poster comes here and asks why pinkcupcake is more credible then PennMommy or Julie I tend to think that they are supporting Julie's and PennMommy's positions.
For me, I not only questioned Julie's identity but also her motivations. The whole blogosphere knows that she is who she says that she is, but I still question her motivations.
PennMommy. I'm not convinced that she has unique information, but rather that she has recycled information gleaned from other blogs.
You know Linda, you just proved my point. Because I question some of the things that Jon and Kate do, I must be a hater.
Because I dare to question someone who verifies what you believe, I must be a hater.
And Linda, I'll give you a hint - I'm not actually using Pinkcupcake's video to bash Jon and Kate, I'm using the premise of showing parts of a Jon and Kate's talk to show that if she showed a video that verifies negative aspects of Jon and Kate, you would all be up in arms about how unbelieveable and unfair it would be. Sort of like you are with me for just pointing out things about Jon and Kate.
When an anonymous poster comes here and asks why pinkcupcake is more credible then PennMommy or Julie I tend to think that they are supporting Julie's and PennMommy's positions.
So Linda, are you agreeing that you are jumping to conclusions tht I was a hater based on your beliefs vs. my response to your questions?
Because that behavior was exactly my point when I posted that you only believe Pinkcupcake because she confirms what you already thought.
Truthfully anonymous 9:00 --
I question some of the things that J&K do and I don't consider myself to be a hater.
You called yourself a hater. You used that word. Not me.
I do not believe or disbelieve Pinkcupcake.
I found the video to be nice in that it provides an insight into how J&K conduct these Q & A sessions. I do not use the video to prove that J&K are great parents. I do not use the video to prove that they are bad parents. The video is just that. It is a video.
If you scroll back you will see that I commented that it is nice that they can both be home with the kids.
You speak in code anonymous. If you want to prove points go ahead. Prove away. Give your hints.
Were you the anonymous poster who suggested that because Kate mentioned that they'd like to get a dog that she is subtly asking for someone to *gift* them one?
(Uh, if that was you then that is one of the reasons that I picked up on how Kate drives you nuts. I didn't say "hater" -- you did.)
Kate mentions all the time that Jon is not terribly attuned to her when she is overwhelmed. Does that mean that she is subtly asking for marriage therapy?
anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
You know Linda, you just proved my point. Because I question some of the things that Jon and Kate do, I must be a hater.
Linda didn't call you a hater. She said she assumed you supported Julie and Pennmommy's position. Was she wrong?
I'm assuming you don't know Linda, so you wouldn't know how she would react if a negative video of Jon and Kate were released. The point is, there isn't one, at least that we know of. If such a video were released, how can you be sure that Linda wouldn't change her stance altogether? Several members of the anti-Gosselin camp are people who use to be fans, and something changed their views.
For some of us, gwop lost all credibility by allowing some very distastful comments about the personal appearance and mental stability of this family, and for allowing information about the extended family to be shared on a blog who's mission is to "advocate for the children". Most of these things are not facts, they are opinions. In the "sightings" section, it says that posts that contradict what they know to be fact will not be posted. Everything else is speculation. That's the problem. You can't distinguish fact from fiction on that blog, but if it's negative, it's pushed as fact. You never know the difference. Julie would have been taken a lot more seriously had she not joined a crowd that thinks that fiction can become fact if it is repeated enough.
And for the record, I don't think Julie has lied. I think she's telling her version of the truth. I mean, aren't there always two sides? Do I think that she actually verified Pennmommy's story? No. I could start a blog today with regurgitated "facts" from other blogs and call myself an old friend or helper, and depending on which way I chose to spin it, one side would believe everything I said. You can't limit that to this blog.
Linda you told me You can do it. Stop watching the show. Why would you say that if you thought I liked Jon and Kate? (And if you don't think I liked them the opposite would be....?)
Were you the anonymous poster who suggested that because Kate mentioned that they'd like to get a dog that she is subtly asking for someone to *gift* them one?
(Uh, if that was you then that is one of the reasons that I picked up on how Kate drives you nuts.
Where in this comment do I imply that Kate getting free things drives me nuts? I wrote that in response to NMD's claim that Jon and Kate are still asking for free things despite the fact that they don't have a need anymore.
Are Jon and Kate getting a free dog? Who knows, but I can't see Kate paying for a dog if she really doesn't want one. (How do I know she doesn't want one? Well, she did say it herself. And her response to dirty boys doesn't seem to be that she's all of sudden become more tolerant to messes.) It's not out of the realm of possibility that Figure 8 will be buying them a dog. And who will be paying to feed the dog? Well time will only tell if they get a dog food sponsor - that one will be pretty obvious. I'm just saying they can afford to buy their own dog and pay to feed it, but I'm guessing it's not going to turn out that way. And that when Kate has a need, she'll let you know. But I never said that drives me nuts.
Kate mentions all the time that Jon is not terribly attuned to her when she is overwhelmed. Does that mean that she is subtly asking for marriage therapy How about it proves to Kate that she is justified in talking/treating Jon the way she does?
Dear Anonymous:
This is the same old tired stuff.
"She's gunning for freebies"
"She treats Jon badly."
"She doesn't love her boys."
Is there a playbook for this stuff?
Anonymous asked:
Where in this comment do I imply that Kate getting free things drives me nuts?
How about this?
People on this board ignore how many times Kate subtlety asks for things on the show.
Maybe I should include an addendum. Not only does Kate drive you nuts, but the fact that the posters on this board ignore the obvious drives you nuts too.
Linda are you saying that the family doesn't receive freebies or have sponsors to help support their family?
She treats Jon badly - are you really going to argue with this one? Go ahead, I would love to read your interpretation on how lovingly Kate speaks to him.
She doesn't love her boys - show me where I said that? Are you denying that she hasn't said she doesn't like messy boys?
Or is stating things that are established facts confusing for you because you don't have any way to rebute them?
Is there a playbook for this stuff? - Well, since this blog has implied in the past that GWOPers have a playbook, am I safe to assume that you are referring to me as a GWOP? and since you have labeled GWOPers as haters or antiGosselins, I was correct in my assumation that you were referring to me the same way, even if you didn't come out directly and say it?
People on this board ignore how many times Kate subtlety asks for things on the show.
Maybe I should include an addendum. Not only does Kate drive you nuts, but the fact that the posters on this board ignore the obvious drives you nuts too.
I've already stated that I posted that comment in response to NMD's statement. Do how do you get that I wrote it because it drives me nuts?
It doesn't drive me nuts that posters on this blog disregard it, but I do think it's hypocritical for some people to jump down posters' throat when they point it out.
As if there wasn't an old, tired GDNNOP playbook. Please. I agree with the anon debating linda. Anon is just making a point about how people tend to believe what supports their currently held position and dismiss what doesn't, people here included. And because anon isn't going along with the amen circle, s/he is branded a hater, oh excuse me, a supporter of Julie/PM, because that's not the same thing, right? The critical, analytical eyes here that so thoroughly dissect the "anti-Gosselins" never seem to look in the mirror.
Anon 10:44
Well I disagree with all of the anons including myself. You see how foolish it is to be talking to an anon who can post as themself and then come back and agree with themself but pretend they are some other anon. Then just repeat that over and over to make it look like there are other people who agree with them.
Jumping into the fray...*looking around* hi all!
Linda, I agree with you on so many points.
I have been suspect of PM since day one. Nothing is verifiable. The fact that her son died? Should be.
Show me one obit. One iota of proof that this actually happened. Anything. If you search *national* records, you will not find any information pertaining to a J Haas or Jason Haas dying that matches that description. There is no obit in the Harrisburg papers. And before you declare I'm a lunatic, it took me what, 2 min. to look it up? Not that hard.
Look at the "tribute" blog. The dates aren't specific, there is a month and year, that's it Why? The entries were supposedly written by William, but the author at the bottom says "PennMommy". And now there is a private blog. Whatever.
I'll just sit back and wait for those who believe that whole story to show me one thing that proves that any of it is truly real, not because some other person the internet says it is.
I'm sure the blog owner or mods will point it out if all the anons agreeing with other anons are sock puppets, they can tell by looking at the IP addresses. Don't you remember, that is how they triumphantly discredited Etown Mom.
You want to know a secret? About why so many of the dissenters post anonymously? Come closer...
*this site doesn't welcome debate*
You can claim to be "fair and balanced" because you publish (some) dissenting opinions, but what you don't like to admit is that dissenters often get slaughtered, not "questioned", slaughtered. For respectfully stating an opposing opinion.
I'm assuming you don't know Linda, so you wouldn't know how she would react if a negative video of Jon and Kate were released.
Fanny all I know is how Linda is treating me now. The purpose of my post was to point out that some people on this blog are accepting Pinkcupcake's opinion because of a 10 minute clip and the fact that she agrees with the majority here means her word is unchallenged.
If someone were to show a 10 minute clip of Kate doing whatever negative thing you can think of, and had a story to tell about it, the poster would be raked over the coals here, despite the fact she is coming here with the same evidence Pinkcupcake had. That is my whole point, and it really doesn't have much to do with Jon and Kate.
Linda assumes -even if it's said in a sarcastic manner - that I believe that Jon and Kate spent the rest of the tape complaining about how poor they were, when I that's clearly not what I said at all.
Linda assumes that Jon and Kate drive me nuts, when again I never said no such thing.
Linda accused me of following a playbook by restating tired arguements, when in reality all I was doing was sticking to the facts we know for sure about Jon and Kate. I'd like to add more but I'm sticking to the rule here of only using what see on Jon and Kate as evidence.
Linda accused me of saying that Kate doesn't love the boys, when I said no such thing.
Linda is jumping to erroneous conclusions because I don't agree with her. I've asked her to prove her conclusions and she can't. Would you like to ask me again why I think anyone who posted something negative about Jon and Kate would get attacked, even if they have proof?
11:30 am - believe what you want. Of course I'm so irrational that no else will agree with me but myself. Please Anon, I would be happy to debate you as well. I challenge you to show me where anything Linda has accused me of can be proven?
My goodness -- I do tick you off don't I?
Linda I was just pointing out how you were wrong by jumping to conclusions, yet you still do it.
How about you just argue the things I say instead of adding your own interpretation? I'd have a lot less to talk about then.
Look at the "tribute" blog. The dates aren't specific, there is a month and year, that's it Why?
Maybe because at one point Jason did slip into a coma that he never came out of. This family had a lot to contend with over a period of time - now you are quibbling over a date? Would you be satisfied with the date they pulled the plug?
Maybe it is all fake, but I would rather give her the benefit of the doubt.
Some of you excuse, pardon, whatever you want to call it Jon and Kate - even though the "proof" is their show.
Some of you are just on their "side" because you don't think it's "fair" that people criticize them.
Anon 11:45 am,
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought to check the obits. I completely agree with you everything you said.
Anonymous said...
Maybe it is all fake, but I would rather give her the benefit of the doubt.
So, let me get this straight. You are over here bitching about the fact that we believe someone who has actual video taped proof of what she is saying, yet you will give someone who has not offered one iota of proof that she is who she says she is the benefit of the doubt? Why, because what she says goes along with what you believe?
Bet that sounds familiar, huh?
Corky I wasn't aware you were engaging me in the first place.
Corky, I didn't know you were engaging me. Why did you delete your comment?
hbic8u- I never said I believed Julie and Penn Mommy. I was using their names as a counterpoint to PinkCupcakes. But please feel free to take up where Linda/Corky(?) left off jumping to conclusions.
Sorry about the duplicate posts - I'm not used to signing in this way. I don't have a problem with it, just not sure how it worked.
I'm assuming this comment was yours because you responded to it...
Maybe because at one point Jason did slip into a coma that he never came out of. This family had a lot to contend with over a period of time - now you are quibbling over a date? Would you be satisfied with the date they pulled the plug?
Maybe it is all fake, but I would rather give her the benefit of the doubt.
You don't have to say "I SUPPORT PENNMOMMY!!!!"
but let me say hbic8u, I am not the person who's message you cut and pasted. That's a different anon.
Wow. I see my comments made someone mad. They're all disected, if you can call it that, on the tribute site.
Under all the nastiness that's written there, there is still one thing missing: evidence.
And no, I did not use google as a resource. It was something much more accurate.
Still convinced this is a fake. Using emotions to keep the lie perpetuating.
But, I don't want to make this board into some sort of breeding ground, so I'll go back into the shadows and read with interest.
Thanks to the people that get where I'm coming from. Hang in there, I'm sure this will all flesh out eventually.
Sorry, it took me a while to figure out this signing in thing and didn't notice the post you were directing that comment too. So I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
I've been reading here for quite a while. I have to say that I'm saddened by what seems to be people using this blog, which allows most people's comments to go through, to keep hounding on the subject of penn mommy's "truth".
I guess I just don't get why this is so important to some. Maybe someone can explain their side, but I just don't get it.
William just took down his blog. I read the last entry and then read all the comments here and when I went back to his blog, it said it had been removed.
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