Sunday, December 21, 2008

KATE'S TOP 8

Submitted for post by Desben.

Without a doubt, Jon & Kate plus 8 is a huge hit that so many people have fallen in love with, including myself. I started thinking about why I gravitated towards this show. The obvious is the adorable and incredibly cute 8 children, but upon closer inspection I realized that the personalities of Jon and Kate are just as fascinating. I find Kate to be the most interesting of the two of them and here is my top 8 reasons why:

1. Organization

To me, she is superwoman. She has 3x5 cards posted everywhere with detailed instructions for everything. There is a system and plan in place at all times.

2. Organic

I am into health and nutrition but do not cook organic food from scratch all of the time, much less for a family of ten! This is amazing.

3. Haircut
I must say her haircut is quite unusual but it definitely is stylish and suits her very well. Short and sassy.

4. Memories

Like Kate, I am all about creating wonderful memories for me and my family. She's mentioned that she wants her kids to have many experiences in which to fondly look back upon and that is admirable.

5. Style

Not necessarily her own personal style, even though she is a nice dresser, but the fact that her children always look so cute and well put together. Adorable dresses for the girls and nice matching outfits for the boys.

6. Honesty

Her honesty in portraying how difficult it can be in raising multiples is what makes her seem so real and approachable.

7. Humor

I have burst out laughing so many times at some of the funny things she has said about so many different topics. She has a sense of humor that is quite appealing.

8. Team Player

In the opening credits she mentions that her and Jon are in this interesting situation together. By the end of each episode you realize that she is perfectly suited for the task of raising multiples in a fun and loving manner.

Kate Gosselin, with all of her quirky tendencies, has managed to give America a glimpse into what it is like to raise twins and sextuplets. Any mother knows the ups and downs of raising kids but the love you get back is always worth it, in her case it's love times 8!

107 comments:

Saint said...

#7. I also get Kate's sense of humor. She's funny, and is great about her children that way.

#2. I admire all the organic as well.

#3. That's Kate's haircut! I haven't seen anyone else with that particular style, and I think it draws attention, is suited to a TV personality (like her "signature" cut,) and she does have a gorgeous head of hair. Kate is attractive and fit and despite any protestations to the contrary, it can't be denied. They are a handsome couple.

#1. I actually am not all that impressed with her organization. The 3x5 index cards with instructions and verses everywhere really turn me off. Maybe you need to have met my mom to see how it can be done smoothly and subtly, everyone where they need to be with what they need, everytime; no yelling. Dad didn't have to do as much as Jon, either, even though he was a great, involved father. There's just something off about the organization in the G.'s household, to me. It seems more anxiety-prone than a well-organized household should be, IMO. I think Kate is a work-in-progress, on this one. She had 6 babies at once, so I don't expect great organization and a smooth schedule, but I can't say I see great organization skills. Maybe it's the editing, though.

I know I won't be the first to think this, but Kate's top eight really are Cara, Mady, Alexis, Colin, Hannah, Aaden, Leah, and Joel. And, to me, I think it shows: she loves those kids!

Lizabeth said...

Interesting post idea, Desben! I am with you on many points- I especially appreciate the focus on organic foods and green cleaning products. That is a way any family can economically help the environment and their own well being. As for the hair, well its not something *I* would wear, but I think it does suit her as well.

One of my favorite moments ever on the show is when she and Jon and reorganizing the garage after her brother helped put shelves and storage areas up. The whole 'pinecones in the box-gate' if you will (haha!). Jon and Kate argued about whether their gorgeous pinecones from their first trip to CA could fit inside different size boxes. Jon forced the box he chose onto the top shelf where they would be stored, and when they both realized it was stuck laughter ensued. It was one of those genuine moments where all you can do is just laugh- which made me like J & K even more.

FIONA said...

I agree....Kate's top 8 are her children.

1. I think her humor is dry and caustic-not my favorite, and certainly not a number one in my book

2. Nutrition is important to her, but her rambling on about "we are organic" makes her seem ignorant when clearly not everything they eat is organic. I could care less, but get off your soapbox.

3. Don't care about her hair, and I think those who bitch about it on a daily basis porbably have an interesting hairdo themselves! :)

4. Don't see her as super uber organized, but I think she tries. Or her helpers try to help her.

5. I think both Jon and Kate had a real desire to record their memories. I am all about preserving memories and I hope when they look back 5, 10, 20 years from now, with Mady's outbursts and Colin's impaction, Kate demeaning Jon and Jon demeaning Kate, that those memories bring a good feeling and not a bad one.

I don't think the trade off is worth it, whatever you pay me. Some things are private and personal and I disagree with the kids childhood being used for our entertainment.

6. Style-Kate has come along way. She is a pretty woman and thanks to GAP and Gymboree, and Ann Taylor-who dresses Jon, BTW... they are a very nice looking family.

7. Well this is worded in such a way that I will agree she has been honest about how hard it has been to raise multiples. But I don't see honesty as one of Jon or Kate's best qualities. Perhaps they are working on that.

8. Team Player-I think she is more like a drill sergent barking orders.


As for who is more interesting, I do think that would be Kate. Jon seems kindof dull to me, not to bright.

Suzie said...

Fiona, I noticed in several of your posts that you are not really a Kate fan, and that's cool. But, you seem have a personal vendetta and make it a point to make everyone think she gets "help" Her help is her children. If there's an assistant, it's only because TLC may have provided them with one at different points (like traveling maybe).

As stated on this and other blogs, her clothes may be that of sponsors. Good for her!

Your jealousy sometimes is very glaring.

FIONA said...

Suzie,

Welcome to GDNNP! You are new here!

You will find this is a great place to post your opinions.

However somethings we just let slide!

Saint said...

I don't really want to start anything here, but I have to disagree with you, in part, Suzie, about how you have read Fiona's comments. If there is anything to be jealous of Kate Gosselin about it is eight beautiful children, being physically attractive, a decent marriage and publicly committed husband, money and property. I haven't really noticed Fiona criticizing all of that. In fact, Fiona has been pretty consistent complimenting the children's "cuteness" though not their behavior, Kate's looks, and rarely criticizes her for having money, just how the she and Jon make their money. Fiona has stated her opinion that the show shouldn't be on air because it reveals the children's private moments for money and other people's entertainment. Since I agree with Fiona about that last point, though not as strongly, I admit, I can assure you it is not born from jealousy, just a strong discomfort from seeing the screaming and hitting and meltdowns made public, and thinking what that would mean to our own selves or our own children. It's a perspective, and we all seem to have different perspectives. Mine has changed by reading others' thoughts here, maybe Fiona's has changed a bit, too. I can still like Kate (or not) and think the show should be reduced to a special every now and then, with fewer outburts televised, and not be jealous of her. IMO

If I am wrong about how I have stated your thoughts on this Fiona, I apologize and will stand corrected.

Fiona, I know the Gosselins now are outfitted in lovely clothing, but they were an attractive couple before the clothing endorsements, though Jon looked a bit sloppy (like a lot of younger men.) Don't you think?

nc resident said...

Suzie said
Fiona, I noticed in several of your posts that you are not really a Kate fan, and that's cool.

Well it must not be or you would not have included the following:

Your jealousy sometimes is very glaring.

I debated in high school and if I can remember correctly it went point, counterpoint, discussion closing arguement. Why is it, if this is a forum, basically a discussion of the show, that any negative comments are quickly attacked by some posters here. I homestly thought this was a place to discuss the show. Not attacking this site but, I've seen the name GWOP mentioned alot. I also am growing tired of the if you don't like don't watch statements. That and the hater or haters expressions get old.

I have seen no disclaimer on this sight that disallows any opinions as long as done politely.

As long as this show is on TV and this blog site discusses it there will be differing opinions, face it. Some of the crap on the other site needs to be stopped but I just saw Fiona post as a difference of opinion and a little jab to get a discussion started. BTW as a man I think Jon deserves some kudos in the dreesing department since he does give them their baths and dresses them.

nc resident said...

Saint said:

though Jon looked a bit sloppy (like a lot of younger men.) Don't you think?

Jon says thats how I roll LOL

FIONA said...

Why thanks Saint!

Suzie's comments were water off a ducks back....

I will say that with the procedures Jon and Kate have had, the working out, teeth whitening etc....they have become more attractive!

FIONA said...

NC,

Actually, I didn't intend to "jab"...just was responding.

I think it was "Suzie" who wanted to get somethin' started! :)

nc resident said...

Oh I agree with that and glad you responded thought I was using invisible font.

Nina Bell said...

NC resident.

Fiona can hold her own. She said herself to let it slide.

Not attacking this site but, I've seen the name GWOP mentioned alot. I also am growing tired of the if you don't like don't watch statements. That and the hater or haters expressions get old.

This might get old but I don't see it ending anytime soon. I am the owner of this blog. We have said from the beginning that we will discuss issues surrounding the show and a big part of the issues is GWoP.

I read other sites and many times things don't interest me or actually might irritate me but I just have to skim over them. Hopefully we can discuss a variety of things here and you can find what you are interested in. If a comment irritates you, I suggest you skim over it.

Suzie said...

Sorry, didn't mean to make my statement seem like an attack. It certainly wasn't meant as that. No, didn't want to "get something started", but I wanted to only point out what I noticed.

As an observer, I have noticed that it seems Fiona is a bit jealous of the life of the Gosselins. I've noticed this from several posts of hers and not jsut this one. That to me seems glaring. Only my opinion.

Saint said...

Suzie said,
I have noticed that it seems Fiona is a bit jealous of the life of the Gosselins.
I understand that, and I do disagree with it. I don't think Fiona is jealous. I agree and disagree with her depending on the topic. I just wanted to offer a different opinion on your remark; thanks for taking it so well. And yes, Fiona has handled a lot worse!

I have noticed glaring jealousy in the Gosselin world though.

NC Resident, I know you get sick of GWoP comments, but as a recently converted anti-Gwopper (I was NEVER pro-GWoP) I am not sick of it. I haven't registered at the princess board because I can't handle anymore boards/blogs, and theirs is so specific, not as general in topics as this blog! I hope that you can put up with my anti-GWoP observations as they relate to the Gosselin world. As you have said yourself, GWoP can be so unfair. I think some of them read here, and if they read some criticism, perhaps they will soften their harsh mockery of the Gosselin children? So it may be an overall benefit, maybe?

Anyway, I like to read your thoughts, what do you think of kate's top 8?

Saint said...

NC Res,
I agree that Jon deserves kudos for getting the kids bathed and dressed. We've seen them (J&K) tussle a bit over clothes...that golfing episode for instance. What Jon came up with was adorable and more practical for the boys. I agree with Desben, the chidlren are dressed beautifully. Kate and Jon can share the credit. They are good advertisers for their clothing endorsers, because they all look great. And clean always looks better, even if dirty is often more fun!

Bridget said...

The absolute #1 is of course the kids!!! I think Kate only wants the best for them.

I like Kate's sense of humor and understand it, but I can see why others do not.

I certainly admire her organizational skills, I have alot to learn!!

Something that I've long admired about Kate, but never mentioned, is how she wants the kids to all be in the same home, no matter what happens. This was brought up in the "Trip to the Sequioa Forest" episode, I believe from the first season. Kate and Jon had a lawyer over to write up wills. Kate was adamant that if anything happened to her and Jon, that the kids all be together in the same home. As a mom, that would be a huge priority to me as well and I was glad she insisted on that.

nc resident said...

Top 8 from me

Kids are adorable, it's the reason I began watching from the first episode. Not until I read the blogs did I see what was being said about them.

1. Kinda agree with Saint on this one.
2. Fiona on this one also organics are more expensive and not as easy to find. I use organic eggs and milk. Really what have we seen her cook even except pancakes and the chicken thing. Not saying she doesn't cook though. Agree with Lizabeth about green, I thinks Kate used to much paper though lol.
3. I've said <<< man here, I think Kate is pretty. Hair included, kinda lost, what is the negative fuss is about on her hair.
4. Kates memories are hers, Jons' and the kids. They share them with us for a price. We agree I think alot of it is scripted so it memories, just not ones they would actually have without the show. These memories hopefully will be of their parents love for them not just trips. Some things never need to be seen ie: Fionas' list, by us or the kids.
5. I've seen Kate wear a gray pair of sweat pants several shows remember those. She said Jon picked her clothes out even. Agree with Fiona on this, Kate has lots of fashion help there.
6. Kate has had alot of help. She said that herself, in her book, on their website, just really doesn't come across as having lots of help on the show. Maybe because of legal reasons we can't see but much of the help is never shown. Also took them a while to discuss "craft services."
7. Maybe I do not understand her but I don't think she is funny. But alot of people don't think I am soooooo. lol It really seems to me Kate has become kind of arrogant. I also think when she gets upset, or doesn't get her way she can be rather mean. Not abusive mean just with words. She and Jon both can both seem that way to me though, with each other. I do not like how in many situations she simply walks past people barely saying hi without looking there way.
8. Dont feel that way at all. Kate has to be in control not a bad thing she is not a follower.

nc resident said...

Fiona can hold her own. She said herself to let it slide.

This was a timing issue, but another defended Fiona as well. Not trying to start a fuss but, any reason I was singled out?

Nina Bell said...

NC Resident

Well your comments came 10 or more minutes after Fiona's and Saints, however I am sure you were probably typing away.

Really, probably just an irritation of having to respond to remarks about people discussing or wanting to discuss GWoP over and over again. I think we actually have addressed this in our FAQ section. I am pretty sure, NC Resident that you, I and Roy have had this discussion before. Haven't we? Am I recalling that correctly or not?

Anya said...

1. Organization
From what I have seen, I give her pretty high marks for this. A big part of her organization is her natural tendency to order and neatness, obviously. I think a trait that I admire more that ties in with organization is her stated desire to keep the kids on a schedule as much as possible. I think young children crave routine and when you are dealing with six at once, it's even more important for the kids and frankly, for the parents.

2. Organic
From what we have see, I believe she does her best to feed her family healthy and wholesome meals. I give her credit for getting the little kids to like "exotic" foods like hummus! We all know she talks about "organic" a lot. I don't read too much into it. Like all moms, I think she has a desire for others to think of her as a "good mom" and tossing the term organic around is just a way for her to stress that she really makes an effort to feed her family wholesome food.

3. Haircut
Yeah, you know, it's her head. I have no objection to it. It might be interesting to see how she would look with longer hair, but I don't know that's she interested in doing that.

4. Memories
This is one where I take her at her word. I do believe that is very much on her mind and one of the things that drives her.

5. Style
Of course, the family always looks great. The children are beautiful, no doubt. I have appreciated the times, however, when Kate has allowed the girls for example, to be filmed with their hair down and in t-shirts. They still look adorable, but they also look real (not that they don't when they are dressed up, it's just a different dynamic).

6. Honesty
I think just laying your life and your faults open for inspection by others deserves some recognition. I don't know that "honesty" and "reality t.v." go hand in hand, but I don't have any reason to believe that Kate herself has been deliberately deceitful.


7. Humor
Her sense of humor is probably the main reason I actually like her and can overlook some of her less desirable qualities. I really do relate. It's also nice to see her when she can laugh and appreciate life's absurdities, rather than getting stressed out.


8. Team Player
Yeah, I think she's a work in progress on that one. I think a "team player" is generally willing to step in and out of a leadership role as situations dictate, but I think Kate is uncomfortable giving up control. That said, I think Jon and Kate generally make a good team.

Nina Bell said...

NC Resident

If you want to discuss this, email me. I am not going to go back and forth in comments.

Saint said...

Organics aren't really hard to find where Kate lives. She actually lives close to the home of Organic Gardening Magazine test gardens and publishing house, Rodale, Inc. in Emmaus, PA. The organics movement has very strong ties locally because of the Rodale family. There are plenty of organic farms, some subscription farms; I wouldn't be surprised if she belonged to one. Also, I shop at these grocery chains, they all have organic sections, no problem. And the several local farmer's markets offer organic foods. I have organic products in my cabinet. No, not 100%, but they're there. Often the price difference isn't enough to discourage me from buying it, and sometimes it is an equal or better price.

I really do admire this about Kate, and never felt she was preachy about it. I know she's been asked about it, but if it's true that she tries to use organic foods, then why should she deny it? And if someone asks the question, "Is there something you won't compromise on?" Saying, "I try to feed them organic food," or "We try to stick to a strict schedule," is just answering truthfully. What I do find ridiculous is anyone's watching to see that she stay 100% organic and "catching" her violating this general rule of hers, "Aha! Juicy Juice is just wholesome NOT organic!" or "Organic fluff is NOT healthy!" So, inflexible Kate shows some flexibility? Good for her. Every kid should have a shot at a PB and Fluff sandwich. And Juicy Juice is yummy.

Saint said...

Anya,
I am also a big believer in sticking to a schedule for the benefit of young children. I agree that Jon and Kate get that right.

nc resident said...

Nina

respectfully sent

nc resident said...

I live in Greensboro NC we have Fresh Market. Stupid question? Is the Amish produce, and meat considered organic if so that area has a lot of Amish farms right?

nc resident said...

Saint said:
We try to stick to a strict schedule," is just answering truthfully. I totally agree. She might be in a position that she can't but when available she will always do organic. Saint I disagree with them on some things, not this. These kids eat anything. Thats says alot about J&K, good things. They eat whats served unlike alot of picky kids.

merryway said...

1.Organization:
Big points. Sometimes she overworks just to make sure she is on top of everything. I have so seen so many unorganized people that I don't understand how they make it day to day. For an unique situation as hers, she is pretty amazing. I also think she's good at learning as you go. I think her mind is always busy trying to figure out how to make things works smoother, faster, etc.

2.Organic:
Awesome, it's hard to go wrong on this. I never have understood the fuss about their eating preferences or habits. I'm impressed at what good eaters her kid seem to be.

3.Haircut:
I never cared, Whatever people like on their head is fine with me. I was surprised by how her hair affected her appearance when it was longer. Her face had a much softer look.

4.Memories:
I think that's of utmost importance to her as it with a lot of moms.

5.Style:
While very different from what I wear, I like the way she is dressing these days. On the episode where Jon picks out her clothes, I thought she looked uncomfortable in them. They had a frumpy affect. The clothes I have seen in her lately are definitely snappier and smarter, less the church lady look. Whatever she wore at home was fine by me.

6.Honesty: I don't know. Probably no more dishonest than any other person.


I liked this, wanted to play too, but this was as far as I got. Will prob be very busy as you all will these next few days.

Going to put gingerbread houses together!

Saint said...

Is the Amish produce, and meat considered organic

You know, I don't really know how to answer that! The Amish who "live like the Amish" keep to themselves, separate from society, and I don't think they use any modern chemicals on their food. I doubt it anyway, I mean, they don't even use buttons. But there are also Mennonites who have some "simple" and some 'modern" habits. Maybe they use chemicals??? There are a variety of sects, that might rightfully be called Amish, but have less strict rules and permit modern farming techniques?

The local organic movement that really gave rise to the movement in this country in the post-WWII era is unrelated to the Amish. link

By the way, my husband travels to Greensboro, NC occasionally, and finds it very beautiful.

Saint said...

Going to put gingerbread houses together!
Good luck with THAT, merryway! Mine are usually a mess.

Bridget said...

Two more things I wanted to add :)

Kate is (for the most part) consistent about eating. I believe she said "There are no choices" on Oprah. Thank goodness for that. One of my personal pet peeves is picky eaters.

I admire how we have seen the nice side of Kate and the not so nice side. There have definitely been some unlikable moments, but all of us have had unlikeable moments, and I'm glad that we have seen the human side of Kate.

Linda said...

I also think that K does a good job with promoting healthful eating and nutrition.

As far as we can see from what is shown on television, if they serve the kids eat it.

Theresa said...

#1 I like the way she is organized. I thought it was neat how she put notecards hanging up all over the place in the beginning because it was necessary for the other helpers to know their schedules and everything about the babies. Now, that the kids are older, I haven't noticed them.(clutter? LOL!)

Kate's organizational skills makes it so the kids aren't running the household, and I admire that. It's what's needed with eight children.

#2 Organic. I admire that she tries her best to make it organic. If not, healthy foods. And, that she seems to be a good cook. How about that episode where she made like 15 meals for Jon when she was away for a few days? She spent all day cooking and freezing meals.

#3 Haircut...it's definitely Kate's. I just saw it recently in a Hair Magazine, under the "short do's", there was a picture of her.

#7& #8. I get Kate's sense of humor. And, the way she and Jon interact is real...when they laugh, and when they spat. I think that's the charm of the two of them, they are real and we like that. They are team players for sure.

I've always believed that Jon and Kate were chosen to have these 8 adorable kids because they have that special something to get it done together.

I also admire the fact that they are a religious family and the kids are learning about the Lord and Believe. It only adds to the bond of the family.

The kids are healthy and happy and loved to bits. They are truly Blessed.

aap said...

I'm not sure, but were we suppose to add our own top 8? Anyway, I am following everyone else's lead and making a few comments on the OP.

1. Organization

I like how Kate uses her garage as an extention of her house as a play area for the kids.

2. Organic

I like that Kate promotes eating organic, but haven't really see her cooking much lately. I would like to know more about what organic food she eats outside the whole grains council recipes.

3. Haircut

I like it more without the hair spikes - those I just don't get, and personally is a WTH moment for me.

4. Memories

So what happens when the camera stops rolling - they stop making memories? There have been many discussions on editing of the show. Who's viewpoint are they really, the family's or the Producer's? I think the show should be a small part of the family's memories.

5. Style

Picking clothes all in the same Gymboree line and putting them together is not style, imho.

6. Honesty

Her honesty in portraying how difficult it can be in raising multiples is what makes her seem so real and approachable.

It was like that in the first 2 seasons, now not so much (again IMHO). With all my complaining about the "endorsements" on the show, there is one I have no problem with - Kate's tummy tuck. First, it happened naturally, with any benefit to the doctor being way behind the motivation to help Kate. Second, I think a tummy tuck is adequate compensation for showing her post tups belly on national tv.

7. Humor

Sometimes Kate is very amusing.

8. Team Player

I think Kate wears the pants in the family, and it's her way or the highway. Don't really think she's a team player.

aap said...

Merryway -

Good luck on the gingerbread houses! I just did my first (they were 5 small houses) with my kids and their friends. Not sure if I will going to repeat the activity again - between figuring out how they were suppose to resemble the picture and getting them to stand up on their own was quite a challenge!

Guinevere said...

Good luck on the gingerbread houses! I tried that once. Never again. I nearly had a nervous breakdown - it kept falling down, darn it!

That and jellyroll cakes - I'm not allowed to make those any more because they always break when I'm rolling them and I flip out.

Maybe I should write a cookbook, "The High Strung Baker".

Guinevere said...

Regarding these qualities:

1. Organization

I agree that Kate is good about maintaining a schedule and that she's on top of things as much it's possible to be with so many kids the same age. She's definitely adjusted well and is smart about packing what she needs to go out, etc. I do think her organizational tendencies are driven by anxiety, which is not such a good thing. And she can be inflexible, which I recognize in my little list-making self. You should rule the list; the list should not rule you!

2. Organic

I think she does a great job here, and I admire her for it. She's not only teaching her kids to eat healthy, but she's raising good, non-picky eaters. My hat's off to her on this.

3. Haircut

In general, I prefer longer hair on women, but Kate carries her haircut well. I like the front better than the back. Her haircut is talked about and wailed over so much. I don't think even the back is *that* bad. Not what I'd choose, but it's sort of her signature at this point, isn't it?

4. Memories

I see this as both a positive and a negative. I really appreciate that she wants to give her kids different experiences and make memories that they will cherish in later years. I get the strong sense that this comes at least in part from not maybe being given the same opportunities as a kid herself. I do think that sometimes she focuses so much on making things special that she ends up doing things that stress her out, and those memories - of Kate pissed off and stressed out - will stay with the kids, too. I don't mean this to be harsh on Kate, because again, I think I understand where she is coming from. She should just remember that not everything has to be a big production to be a special or enjoyable or memorable experience.

5. Style

The kids' clothes are adorable, though the kids in general are so cute they could wear burlap sacks and make them work.

6. Honesty

I agree that her honesty is very appealing - at least to some of us. I think it's what some people really use against her, and that's a shame. I think she should be able to be honest about, say, being overwhelmed at the idea of sextuplets, and not have people criticize her for it.

7. Humor

I love and "get" Kate's sense of humor - it's probably my favorite thing about her.

8. Team Player

Yeah, I'm not sure I really see this, though I guess every team needs a leader? I do think Kate and Jon complement each other in a lot of ways, but I think to be a better team player, Kate could tone down the "my way or the highway" attitude (to her credit, I think she's been trying).

This is an interesting topic, Desben - thanks for writing the post!

Regina said...

My favorite thing about Kate is something that isn't listed in your Top 8. The thing I most admire is that Kate sticks to her guns, right or wrong. She has a measure of self-confidence. She gets a LOT of criticism and it doesn't seem to bother her. She knows what she wants for her kids and she listens to advice then decides for herself. Some she takes, some she doesn't. And she doesn't care what we think one way or the other. That's cool with me.

FIONA said...

Maybe I should write a cookbook, "The High Strung Baker".

December 22, 2008 12:44 AM

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ARE you HIGH STRUNG????

FIONA said...

It is true that she has raised non-picky eaters that eat just about anything...that is good.

MommyZinger said...

This is a good topic. Even though she has many fans on the "outside", I think she needs more supporters in blog land.

The only things I like about Kate are her laugh - that loud giggle. It's sort of contagious.

I believe she is doing the best she can to secure her families future and she is taking a lot of crap for it. She's everywhere and promoting everything. Maybe she is trying to take the focus off the kids by doing so many endorsements. I find that admirable.

And even Jon is getting into it with the recent podcast and teaming up with Microsoft.

Good for them.

SamanthaNC said...

I think Kate has a lot of great qualities (As well as some annoying ones, but so do I!)I think she is super organized and I LOVE her sense of humor. I have a dry sense of humor as well so I get her. I love the way she revels in her children's experiences- like in Hawaii when Alexis was so enjoying looking under the water. She cooked all those meals before her tummy tuck so the kids wouldnt be eating junk, she made all those meals for jon when he may or my not have been going on a trip, I think she takes great care of her family.

FIONA said...

Found something interesting....the makeover pics from Jon and Kate's old house...

http://www.fauxinteriors.com/nbc.php



Can't say as I blame Kate about the nursrey!

nc resident said...

Guinevere said:

Kate could tone down the "my way or the highway" attitude (to her credit, I think she's been trying).

We agree on alot of these things said in your post. I wanted to add that many people see J&K as assuming tradition gender roles. If that is the case then maybe Kate has had to assume a role becuase of Jons' employment history, she would not have if he would have been working all along. I didn't see her this way in the beginning.

I agree that her honesty is very appealing - at least to some of us.

I think Kate say what others think but don't say. That is seen by some as good others are shocked.
I think sometimes they say to much. In some cases it doesn't need to said, and that comes across to some as them defending what they said previously. In some case we have seen statements conflict each other, now I qualify that by saying some of it makes no difference, but it's seen a contradiction.

scarfoot said...

Fiona,

Thanks for sharing that link about the redecoration of the Gosselins house. I can't say that I blame Kate for feeling a little overwhelmed at that, either! WOW. That's just too bold and over the top for me. I would have found that extremely stressful to come home to.

Betty said...

Fiona likely found that link at GWOP. It was brought up last night.

Nina Bell said...

Someone actually emailed that link to me a day or two ago and said they found it on another Message Board. So I think it is out there floating around.

scarfoot said...

Well, I wouldn't have found it if Fiona hadn't pointed it out, so I still say thanks! ;)

FIONA said...

You are welcome Scarfoot.

I have always wondered about the horredous murel, and wondered why it took so long to surface.

Guinevere said...

We agree on alot of these things said in your post. I wanted to add that many people see J&K as assuming tradition gender roles. If that is the case then maybe Kate has had to assume a role becuase of Jons' employment history, she would not have if he would have been working all along. I didn't see her this way in the beginning.

Eh, I see bossiness as a pretty strong personality trait of Kate's, one she has probably always had. It's no coincidence that she ended up with a laid-back guy like Jon.

It's funny that J&K occasionally pay lip service to the whole "the man is the leader of the family" thing, considering how untrue it is for them about 99% of the time. If I were to name one thing that bugs me about the Gosselins the most, it would be how preoccupied they seem to be with gender roles as it relates to the kids. I think I just come from a very different sub-culture than they do in regard to that.

I think Kate say what others think but don't say. That is seen by some as good others are shocked. I think sometimes they say to much. In some cases it doesn't need to said, and that comes across to some as them defending what they said previously.

I think we all sometimes say stuff that shouldn't be said; it's just that most of us aren't on TV! I appreciate that they take a "warts and all" attitude towards showing their mistakes, though, yes, there are times when they - particularly Kate - could be better about acknowledging those mistakes.

But I also think I see something like, say, the fact that they criticize their kids on TV differently than some viewers do. I think some viewers see it as really horrible, whereas I see it as, in a way, showing greater acceptance of the kids' flaws and foibles. There's nothing shameful about Mady's personality. I feel like it should be able to be discussed without anyone acting like it's some dirty secret ("ooh, she said Mady was a drama queen! How awful!").

In some case we have seen statements conflict each other, now I qualify that by saying some of it makes no difference, but it's seen a contradiction.

I think what you and others see as contradiction, I mostly just see as plain old human inconsistency, with nothing sinister or secretive behind it.

aap said...

Eh, I see bossiness as a pretty strong personality trait of Kate's, one she has probably always had. It's no coincidence that she ended up with a laid-back guy like Jon.

Before I get lectures on how you can't really judge someone by a few snippets of video, let me say that I agree with you. This is only meant to be an observation.

After watching some of Jon and Kate's home tapes before kids, I have to wonder if Jon sometimes thinks - this is so not the woman I dated. Because the woman in those tapes is giddy - bordering on immature - and soft spoken. Yes, I know that the arrival of all those kids means they needed to become more responsible, but that is one hell of 180 degree turn.

merryway said...

Fiona, thanks for that link. I didn't care for the feel of some of the décor at all. Who uses white furniture in the lr with all those kids? I also thought the nursery should have had a more comforting atmosphere instead of their attempt at nursery characters.

Guin said
But I also think I see something like, say, the fact that they criticize their kids on TV differently than some viewers do. I think some viewers see it as really horrible, whereas I see it as, in a way, showing greater acceptance of the kids' flaws and foibles.

I'd much rather hear the type that Kate is similar to when talking about her kids. I'm surprised at how realistic she is with her view of her children. It's the type whose children have no flaws and are always ahead of others their age that irritate me.

Guin: You had a jellyroll gate? I was wondering if the cake survived? :)

These were were easy and my audience was young and easy to please. I was only the constructor, little ones did the decorating as in a tradition. I actually took them to see the Tale of Despereaux as part of the day. I wouldn't have heard of it in time for today had I not seen it on J&K, so there you go. They really liked it, it was well done and a nice story.

nc resident said...

aap even in the pilot on Discovery she was alot more laid back. At least toward Jon. Today were the days out episodes and she was actually very cordial to Jon and those around her. He did make a comment on the night out after the teeth whitening. She was cutting something food, he said something like cut it like you do my ego. LOL

On the honesty I was trying to get across how they explain things. How we got here for example. Kate says she sent out tapes, to me thats okay, then Jon says they were contacted by Discovery. It seems maybe to me that after it was done she didnt want people to think she made the initial contact. I would have just said it as it was and let the chips fall on opinion.

Guinevere said...

Guin: You had a jellyroll gate? I was wondering if the cake survived? :)

Only with the application of a great deal of frosting!

New Here said...

I'm new here, but can't for the life of me understand why you think Kate is such a "great" mom.

Did you actually watch the episode where she was at the furniture store picking out bunkbeds?

Her little boy was crying in pain from being constipated and she did nothing about it.

I don't find her personality "fascinating", I find it pathetically lacking in human empathy.

Lizabeth said...

Hi, New Here-- welcome!

As far as the furniture store situation, that was definitely not something anyone would have enjoyed seeing. I can see why she had to do that, though- when you have 8 kids (or 5, like in my family) there are times where one or more will not be at their absolute best. So you deal with it and move forward. Jon and Kate in that episode mentioned that there is no way to ever go anywhere if you wait for that blissful moment when each child is perfectly healthy and happy. Thats not how life works, so you adapt and deal.

I think in a way it is a testament to the honestly of this show. Jon and Kate admit openly they are not perfect parents, and they are not happy at times about the way they have treated each other at times (http://www.sixgosselins.com/qanda/qanda.html- second question on the first page). I appreciate that self awareness- it makes them more 'real'. Just my opinion of course-- Does that make sense?

Weed said...

In response to AAP – I totally agree and couldn’t have said it any better. I do think Jon wonders where the woman is he was dating ‘cause she did do 180. And we might have only seen snipets of video but there was definitely a “once she got him to the altar” the gloves came off. I remember Jon once commented on her hair color and Kate said he should have looked at the roots and it was too late now. I think he said he preferred blondes and that’s what attracted him to her initially. Anyway, I thought your post was dead on – even gave me a chuckle ‘cause I thought I was the only one who thought that!!

Thanks

FIONA said...

New Here,

I certainly don't think Kate is a great Mom at all-medicore at best.

And the shopping for bed epi was a show for TV, and most certainly they could have arranged that differently.

1. Tell TLC-Collin is not going to today, he is not feeling well
2. Get a babysitter, or Aunt Jodi or prod. crew member to stay home with him
3. Kate goes alone, or with just a few kids.

So many different options...I have to disagree with Liz on this. It was a testament to keeping on schedule, not about what is best for your child. But I think they have proven time and time again, that they don't always consider the long term or even short term affects on their children.

That was probably one of my least favorite shows because the kid was in pain. And not to mention Jon in the van cleaning him out preserved forever on DVD.

I don't think everyone on here thinks Kate is the best mom.

Nina Bell said...

Hello New Here

Are you the same New Here that was here last week (which would really make you the old New Here) or are you really new, New Here?

Do I have everyone as confused as I am?

New Here, Now Gone said...

Hello New Here Are you the same New Here that was here last week (which would really make you the old New Here) or are you really new, New Here?
Posted by Nina Bell.

To answer your question, I am new, that was my first post ever.

However, given your obviously sarcastic "welcome" to someone who does not think Kate Gosselin is wonderful, I won't be posting again.

Nina Bell said...

New Here Now Gone

I wasn't being sarcastic at all. We had someone post here last week with the screen name New Here and I was going to ask you to change it if you were someone different so we would not get confused.

nc resident said...

Do I have everyone as confused as I am?

Nope but I bet ya can't say that three time fast. hehe

If Collin had gotten sick once they were out I'd say thats a different story. If it were the first time the show was put ahead of sick kids, well maybe. If Kate was not in the medical field, well maybe. He wasn't feeling well before and they said that. I think most parents would have choose an option Fiona described. I agree they catch alot of crap, this episode it was deserved.

MonicaW42 said...

Thanks for posting that link Fiona.

I can understand Kate freaking out about the rooms after seeing the pics. I am very fussy about my house and decor and that would have given me a panic attack as well. That bathroom sink...Woah....... I felt like I would need to install a black light in some of the rooms. I also understand people going out of their way to help them but sometimes when helping you should get approval of what someone likes.

As for what Kate qualities I like:

Being organic. I try to feed my family healthy (except at holidays) :) and I can imagine how hard and expensive it is for a family of 10.

I wouldn't have the index cards around my house with notes for stuff. That would drive me nuts.

I do believe she loves those children. I don't agree with alot of what she does and says but at least they are clothed, fed and loved and that's alot more than alot of other children in the world are getting.

I think she is alot like my husband an introvert and I am more of an extrovert. Except when road rage kicks in.

And on the issue with Collin in the furniture store, that is honestly one time that really made me upset with her. Obviously tv can slant things and we don't know the whole story. But from what I did see, I would have gotten my son home or to a doctor and the furniture could have waited.

You guys are really putting some great topics up. Keep it up....

Anya said...

Weed said...In response to AAP – I totally agree and couldn’t have said it any better. I do think Jon wonders where the woman is he was dating ‘cause she did do 180. And we might have only seen snipets of video but there was definitely a “once she got him to the altar” the gloves came off. I remember Jon once commented on her hair color and Kate said he should have looked at the roots and it was too late now. I think he said he preferred blondes and that’s what attracted him to her initially."

There are a number of thoughts here that I would have to respectfully disagree with.

1) How are we to know that Kate did a 180? Because of the few snippets of film we saw of their wedding and before they had children? Because Kate had long hair and seemingly spoke in a softer voice than we are accustomed to hearing from her in the present day? There is really not a lot to support this thesis, in my opinion. All I can personally tell from these rather fleeting moments that we have seen is Kate is very young (they both are). On the surface, her youth and long hair may contribute to a softer image that we see now, but they tell us nothing about the "real Kate."

2) "Once she got him to the altar - the gloves came off."
Ugh, I am sorry, but I find this statement totally chauvinistic. And, again, I see no *factual* evidence to support this. It may be your opinion, but it does not appear to an opinion grounded in anything other than a surface level impression of what we have seen.

3) "I think he said he preferred blondes and that’s what attracted him to her initially."
Initially being the crucial word here. Since he's been with her for 9+ years, had 8 children together, seen her with her natural roots and witnessed her good and bad qualities and is still with her, I think it's safe to assume there is an attraction and affection that goes far beyond one's hair color.

Weed said...

In response to Anya - it is just my opinion, don't take it so hard. Just some of my observations - I was agreeing with a prior post. Your opinion - my opinion, we can have both. That's what makes this blog so great!

Have a wonderful Holiday!!

Guinevere said...

I'm new here, but can't for the life of me understand why you think Kate is such a "great" mom.

Are you speaking to someone in particular? I think posts that label Kate a "great mom" are few and far between here.

I think she's a good mom. I hesitate to call anyone a "supermom" the way some articles call Kate - I really hate the competitive aspect that casts on mothering. Kate is a human being, she really loves her kids, she does some things really well and other things not as well. Just like any other mother.

Did you actually watch the episode where she was at the furniture store picking out bunkbeds? Her little boy was crying in pain from being constipated and she did nothing about it.

I think when you have eight kids, if you let the world stop every time one was wailing about a physical ailment, you'd never get anything done. Kate wasn't unsympathetic; she was just focussed on getting what she had come to the store to do done.

I don't find her personality "fascinating", I find it pathetically lacking in human empathy.

I don't know that the two are mutually exclusive. But you might try accessing some empathy yourself, for Kate. It's just an idea.

1. Tell TLC-Collin is not going to today, he is not feeling well
2. Get a babysitter, or Aunt Jodi or prod. crew member to stay home with him
3. Kate goes alone, or with just a few kids.

So many different options...I have to disagree with Liz on this. It was a testament to keeping on schedule, not about what is best for your child. But I think they have proven time and time again, that they don't always consider the long term or even short term affects on their children.


Was it clear that Collin wasn't feeling well before they'd left for the store? I don't remember the episode that well. I thought he'd started the complaints when the got in the store.

That was probably one of my least favorite shows because the kid was in pain. And not to mention Jon in the van cleaning him out preserved forever on DVD.

I think too much gets made of that. The way some people talk about it, it's as if the camera was right there, rather than 20 feet away. I can see not including it in the show, but ultimately, everybody poops (as the book says), kids get constipated, it's just not that big a deal IMO. I don't usually talk about bodily functions because I'm uptight like that, but I don't begrudge other people for being a little more open, as long as they aren't being crude.

In response to Anya - it is just my opinion, don't take it so hard. Just some of my observations - I was agreeing with a prior post. Your opinion - my opinion, we can have both. That's what makes this blog so great!

Weed, I didn't see Anya as taking your post hard - just as disagreeing with you. As I do (no surprise there). I think the tone of your post did suggest that Kate is some sort of predatory maneater who pretended to be something she's not in order to "hook" Jon - and I do find that sexist. I am sure both Kate and Jon have changed over the years, and maybe Kate is more assertive than she was when she was 23 or 24. That wouldn't be surprising. But I also think Jon probably knew the "real" Kate when they married, and that whether he'd admit it or not, that's part of the reason he married her. This is JMO, obviously, and not really based on much knowledge of their early life together. But I get the sense that Jon wanted a mate who complemented him - meaning that since he is laid-back and a bit unmotivated for the most part, he needed and wanted someone who was going to dominate him a bit and give him a kick in the ass when he needed it. This may not have been a conscious choice or something that Jon *thinks* he wanted; my guess is that he did choose it, though.

FIONA said...

Yes,

Jon mentioned that Collin had not pooped for 3 days!

I am not uptight about poop either...LOL!...but what he did to help Collin in the van DID NOT need to be filmed!

Nina Bell said...

Fiona

I agree with you on the filming of the disimpaction. It wasn't necessary. It was something we really didn't need to know about. And no, I don't think Kate is a great mom. I think she has faults just like the rest of us.

For the life of me, I can't see why you people can't see that. OK,
now I am being sarcastic. Sorry.

Guinevere said...

Jon mentioned that Collin had not pooped for 3 days!

Well, that in and of itself does not mean that he was in pain before they left for the furniture store.

I am not uptight about poop either...LOL!...but what he did to help Collin in the van DID NOT need to be filmed!

But it wasn't filmed. The camera was far away, trained on the van. I agree that I didn't need to hear about it at all, really, but I don't see it as a big deal one way or another.

Lizabeth said...

Ugh I just typed a whole post then accidentally deleted it.

The gist was that I feel Jon and Kate are moving in a positive direction with the show. Lately even those who are not fans have noticed certain things (such as the bathroom door closing on the camera, Cara and Mady not being shown as much, a calmer Kate, etc) which show me both Jon and Kate as well as the producers know this shift is necessary.

To be completely honest, I am growing tired of how some people (both here and at other sites) use the past as a reason to dislike Jon and Kate. Yes, they made mistakes and yes, they had tough times financially. At this point (and for awhile) they have NOT been asking for financial support (the love offerings are a church's decision, not one Jon and Kate make). At this point they HAVE been protecting their childrens privacy more, and it seems giving the kids more of a decision in when they are on camera (at least with the twins).

All of us change and grow. I can say that in the past few years there are best friends I do not talk to any longer (whether through a move, falling out, or just natural decline of the relationship). I've also made new friends, had new experiences, and changed my financial situation considerably. Is it wrong that I've had a successful few years? Of course not (I hope! haha!). Things happen, people change, and life moves forward. I think another part of why I like this show is we see the Gosselins in a different stage of their life than they were years ago. At least from where I stand, it seems the future of the show is one with more privacy for the kids and more outside work for Jon and Kate (which also takes the focus off of the kids). Isn't this what a lot of the critics wanted?

SamanthaNC said...

To the folks who seem to think that Kate lured Jon into her life with long blonde hair and a sweet soft voice:

I'm sure she has changed some- most people do in a decade, and I think that most women change after becoming mothers. However I would like to point out what seems to be obvious:

The old home movies we have seen where Kate seems different then what we see daily ARE different. Wedding, honeymoon, vacation, and Christmas morning clips (all spent alone without the stress of 8 children mind you) are not true to daily life.

No one says "hey I'm feeling crabby, whip out the camcorder." Personally when my husband and I have a spat or I'm scolding our daughter for some transgression- I don't videotape it. Most people only tape special moments but J&K are being captured no matter what comes up, good and bad alike.

Past home movies are not an indicator of some major personality switch!

Nina Bell said...

I agree Samantha,

I think back to when I was 19 and again at 29. What a difference 10 years made. Graduated from college, married, 1 child and pregnant with my second, homeowner, moved 2000 miles away from my family and small farming community to a very large city and my hair no longer sun bleached blonde from working out in the fields(in response to someone stating something about the color of Kate's hair).

I was a different person 10 years later. How could I not be.

Anne said...

Most people only tape special moments but J&K are being captured no matter what comes up, good and bad alike.
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That is it though. It is one thing for the two of them to decide to put all their faults and bad moments on tv but their children did not get to make that decision. These kids bad moments are on tv nearly everyday and sold on dvds for their friends and the world to see. Imagine this being you and twenty years from now you show up for a job interview and the interviewer has seen your father help you with your impacted stool.

FIONA said...

Nina Bell,

What did you do in the fields, Ma Ingalls?

Nina Bell said...

I was a farm girl and proud of it.

Guinevere said...

That is it though. It is one thing for the two of them to decide to put all their faults and bad moments on tv but their children did not get to make that decision. These kids bad moments are on tv nearly everyday and sold on dvds for their friends and the world to see. Imagine this being you and twenty years from now you show up for a job interview and the interviewer has seen your father help you with your impacted stool.

Okay, normally I don't yell on the internet, but obviously this needs some emphasis:

NOTHING WAS SHOWN ON TV IN REGARDS TO JON'S HELPING COLLIN WITH HIS CONSTIPATION!!!!!

Nothing. Nada. Rien. Niente. Ingenting. Ei mitään. 아주 적은. Gar nichts. Ничего.ίποτα. Niets. Khe chaina. Wala lang. NOTHING!

If you think you saw something, you are imagining it. It was talked about, but it was not shown.

In 20 years, hopefully Collin will be in graduate school, paid for with the money the show generated for the Gosselin family.

MonicaW42 said...

Lmao @ Guin with all the languages. You always give me a good laugh.

Samantha, I agree about changing. I am not the person I was when I first married my husband. He is not the same either. People change. My husband never would say no to me in the beginning and now he is a pro at it :). I think Kate is going to get a bad rap regardless as some people have made up their minds about her. I don't think she is mother of the year but at least she loves them, takes care of them and is no Casey Anthony as I have seen her compared to.
I love how at the princess chantal site, some of their responses to the extreme stuff said on this family. They kill me. I would never want to get on their bad side. LOL.

Theresa said...

From what I understood, Collin's pain didn't happen until they were at the furniture store. And, while Kate was pre-occupied picking out the beds, the other parent took care of it. 50/50 teamwork seems fine with me.

I think Kate does a great job with her kids. Does she have faults? You bet. But, we all do. They only thing is, we're not scrutinzed each week or daily for that matter on many blogs.

Jane said...

Colin's dad taking care of him while he felt bad is not the problem. It should not have been talked about on film and we should not know about it at all. That is what is wrong with that whole situation.

Guinevere said...

Colin's dad taking care of him while he felt bad is not the problem. It should not have been talked about on film and we should not know about it at all. That is what is wrong with that whole situation.

Serious question - why? Is being constipated *so* shameful? Again, I'm not one to talk about bodily functions, but I'm also not one to open up my life for TV viewers' consumption. The Gosselins have made that choice. I feel like people complain when the show doesn't seem real enough, but when it's obviously "real" - like this episode - people complain about that.

Don't get me wrong. I do feel the show could have been edited differently, with just the mention that Collin had a stomachache and no discussion of the business in the van. I don't think the show would have lost anything had it been edited that way. I certainly have no particular need to hear about anyone's constipation.

I guess where people lose me is when they see it as actually wrong or harmful to Collin that the show was edited the way it was. Telling me that someone is going to tease him about it 20 years from now doesn't convince me that it's harmful. Tasteless, yes, but not harmful.

Saint said...

Lizabeth,
I agree with what you said well about how people, including the Gosselins change. I have definitely noticed their toning down the more objectionable parts of the show that you listed.

Guinevere,
Your posts and my own kids have convinced me that getting teased in 20 years (if) is really no big deal. It is more a concern for when they are little kids, but they can be taught to handle that, too. My daughters insist that now that the G. kids are famous/rich, they're guaranteed to have friends. I tend to believe that. I still cringe when I think of Mady being labelled with nasty names, and it cannot be denied that has happened. I blame the editors of the show for using too much footage of her meltdowns in past episodes. I think they were manipulating the show so that there was "controversy" because that generates interest. That's fine to do with Kate's image; not Mady's. I think Jon and Kate were unwise in permitting it. I know it was unintentional on their part; they clearly love her. They needed to bring more balance to her portrayal though. She is sweet and bright, and very verbal, my kind of girl. I know her parents see it and talk about it. I just think it's been overshadowed by her "more challenging" traits, to her detriment. As Lizabeth said, though, the show is changing, IMO for the better.

Because of this, I have no problem with the commercial aspect of the show. I think the Gosselins are trying to do what's best. The focus has been less on individual children and their problems, and more on Jon and Kate, the products they endorse (resorts, museums, etc.)

Monica42,
The Snary Princess site is funny. I miss them when they don't comment for awhile! I don't want to be on their bad side, either.

I thought Kate looked bad during the furniture episode, too. Jon clearly wanted to go home, why didn't he? He wasn't picking out anything, and stopped discussing the choices, acting like he didn't care. He was taxed by watching all the kids. (I have furniture/carpet shopped with 3 little ones and they were really naughty. They used any distraction to run around, hide in oriental rugs, jump on mattresses. We didn't stay and got a babysitter later.) Jon knew Kate wanted to stay, she's fussy, and she had to pick 8 beds! Why didn't he take the kids home, deal with Colin, and "take a drive" back to pick up mom when she was done. This is an example of my not being impressed with the Gosselin organization skills. They should cut their losses and move on when something isn't working.

nc resident said...

Telling me that someone is going to tease him about it 20 years from now doesn't convince me that it's harmful.

I just finished watching the season finale of Celeb Rehab. Rod Stewarts son Sean might disagree with you on this one. He said he was teased and got in a lot of fights at school just because his dad was a celeb, kinda like Mady is being teased now. It is really a touching story as years later he is an addict.

Lets say heaven forbid Collin isnt in grad school, but is like this young man. Who is going to take the blame then. Society, because they had an interest in seeing these children. TLC or Figure 8 because they actually were involved in the filming and marketing of the show. The sponsors that make money hand over fist with product placement. The state of PA for not having stiffer child labor laws. Wonder if Jons' words will be ringing back "I'll do anything for my family" then. Because I think alot of people might say ante up buddy.

I honestly hope things turn out well for everyone involved, but who steps up if things don't. As parents and adults we have the responsibility to protect and nuture our children as best we can. Do we make mistakes and learn, well of course we do. But I hope we always err on the side of caution when in doubt.

Gumby1 said...

Samantha,

"Hey I'm feeling crappy, let's bring out the camcorder"

THANK YOU for making my headache go away. I literally laughed out loud!

Yep, everyone changes, after 15 years of marriage, my hubby and I are different people. We're mature, a little wiser, and probably more direct with each other than we were when the love birds were singing and the world was all shiny and bright - much like Jon and Kates old video clips.

Theresa said...

Jane, I was actually addressing New Here's comment Her little boy was crying in pain from being constipated and she did nothing about it. I didn't realize that the showing of Collin's problem was the "issue" or that there really was an issue here. I merely pointed out that parenting is a job for both mom and dad. Mom was preoccupied and Dad took over. We probably could've done without the showing of Jon and Collin in the back of the van. That's when the camera should've stopped rolling or they could've left that on the editing floor. But, apparently, they (TLC) thought it completed their show to leave it in.

The show is what it is...the good and the bad. Jon and Kate even said this several times on the show and on their website.

They are only filmed 2 or 3 days a week, not all the time. I think TLC does some pretty odd editing. And, that's why people have problems with Kate or Jon, and analyze their behavior. This is also why we don't know everything and all that this family does or doesn't do. We're not privvy to their lives 24/7. And, really, we shouldn't be.

I know a lot of people have problems with the kids' moments being filmed and shown, but I believe that's the fault of the TLC editors and I don't believe J&K have much say in what they put together. They SHOULD. They should have the right to view the show first and approve or disapprove. But, putting out a show weekly, and raising a family, that's probably not practical in terms of time. I think there are a lot of moments that are not complimentary to J&K and their family, but because of their contract with TLC, who knows how much "control" of the show they actually get. They should get full control and approval. Just my two cents.

aap said...

Of course people change through time. I was just pointing out it is one hell of a change. I think it is normal for most people in the beginning of their marriage to wake up and realize - hmmmm, this is something I never expected? about their spouse. Since they were dating a relatively short time before they got engaged and married, I'm sure the first time Kate screamed at him like she did in Toys R Us, it was a big surprise.

Saint -

My daughters insist that now that the G. kids are famous/rich, they're guaranteed to have friends.

Yeah, but are these really the type of friends you want them to have? What happens when they are no longer on the show?

Merry Christmas! and I hope 2009 turns out to be your best year yet!

nc resdient said...

They should get full control and approval. Just my two cents. As vocal as I have been against them, if they are as popular as they are, they should say we either get editing control or we are done. I have said that all alone, right on Theresa.

Well headed to Cincinnati Merry Christmas everyone!!!!

Theresa said...

NCresidnet--Have a safe trip and Merry Christmas!

Nina Bell said...

Merry Christmas NC Resident and have a safe trip.

Nina Bell

FIONA said...

My house smells like red velvet cake.

Nina Bell, what kind of farming?

To all-I don't think it is just Collin's situation that was handled poorly-that one incident could have been perhaps forgotten more easily, but it seems to me the G kids have all had their share of shall I say "embarrassing moments" and I think they will be dealing with cummulative issues over the years.

Just like the unfavorable article calling Mady those terrible things...I think we may see more of that kind of thing as the tups get older...if they stay on TV, and we see their individual personality's emerging.

I can see Hannah being an easy target.

Only time will tell.

FIONA said...

BE SAFE NC RESIDENT!

Check in if you can.

Nina Bell said...

It was a research farm for a seed corn company. We had dairy and a variety of other livestock. Ever heard of detasseling corn? That was part of it. Also had a corn nursery. My father managed it and we all worked on it.

SamanthaNC said...

Gumby1-

Glad I made someone laugh :) Merry Christmas!

FIONA said...

Nina,

That's really interesting.

My Daddy raised cattle, turkeys, chickens and rabbits...not all at the same time.

It was more of a hobby/investment kindof deal. We did not live on it, but my siblings and I spent enough time helping out that I learned the value of hard work.

I didn't appreciate what I had learned until m u c h later in life.

:)

Guinevere said...

I just finished watching the season finale of Celeb Rehab. Rod Stewarts son Sean might disagree with you on this one. He said he was teased and got in a lot of fights at school just because his dad was a celeb, kinda like Mady is being teased now. It is really a touching story as years later he is an addict.

Forgive me for barraging you, but this statement just brings up SO many questions for me:

1) Is the lesson here that Rod Stewart never should have sought fame? Or that he never should have had kids if he was going to seek fame?

2) Does Sean Stewart acknowledge that there were positive aspects of being the son of a wealthy celebrity? Trips to interesting places, opportunities that poor and even middle class people don't have, etc.? Or does he only see his experience as the son of a celebrity as a negative thing?

3) Does Sean Stewart make a connection between being teased and getting into fights in school, and being an addict now? Does he believe that his trouble with his peers as a child caused or contributed to his current problems?

4) If so, is it possible that Stewart, as an addict not far into recovery (from my understanding; I know next to nothing about Sean Stewart, and only a little more about Celebrity Rehab, but I don't get the sense that he's an addict with many years of sobriety) might not have the clearest perspective on his past and what factors led to his addiction? Is it possible that he's not exactly a reliable narrator at the moment, and that he's perhaps inclined to place blame for his troubles on anyone and everyone if it takes the heat off of him?

Just to get back to my #1 question - I think this has come up before, and while I don't think people are intentionally advocating this, the subtext I get from some of these comments is: don't ever, ever, ever do anything to stand out, particularly as a child. If you're a parent, don't do anything that might cause your child to stand out, because standing out is just about the worst thing you can possibly do. Standing out leads to teasing, which IS absolutely the worst thing that can happen to a child. It's better just to be average, keep your head down and not stick out. Conformity is key!

Okay, the above might be a teensy exaggeration. But not a huge one, I don't think. I just think it's a shame that there are so many people who feel that the solution to bullying, rather than teaching your kids not to bully, and to stand up for themselves when they are bullied, is to make themselves invisible so that no one is tempted to pick on them. I just think that's entirely the wrong way to go about it.

Yeah, but are these really the type of friends you want them to have? What happens when they are no longer on the show?

Well, conversely, I could say that the hypothetical kids who are hypothetically teasing the Gosselin children - are these the sorts of kids they want to be friends with, anyway? Of course, no one wants to be teased, but it doesn't sound like the loss of friendship with kids like that would be so bad of a thing.

Mary said...

The teasing is not hypothetical. We have heard that the older girls are getting teased at school due to the show and everything it has caused.

Guinevere said...

The teasing is not hypothetical. We have heard that the older girls are getting teased at school due to the show and everything it has caused.

Okay, so what about the rest of what I said? Is the solution to just keep your head down, don't stick out and hope no one ever notices you? Is that the way we want to raise our children to be?

Kids tease each other. If Mady and Cara were not being teased about the show and "everything it has caused" (whatever that means), they would likely be teased about something else.

Faith said...

Yes, kids do get made fun of and teased. It is one thing if it is for something that the child or parents have no control over like they are too short or too tall but, what they are getting made fun of is the fault of their parents. That is the problem. These children did not agree to be on television.

Saint said...

Regarding the friends comment:

My daughters pointed out to me that they are sure the Gosselin girls have friends at least because they are on TV. Good looks, a happy disposition, money, "toys and stuff" all attract children (and adults) to each other. There is nothing wrong with that, IMO. It is normal, and doesn't make these "other kids" bad. So yes, if they are nice kids, they are the kind of friends that I would want for Mady and Cara, no matter why the Gosselins were noticed in the first place.

My point is that fame may bring unwanted scrutiny, but it probably brings positive attention, too.

Saint said...

I also don't want to leave the impression that I don't care if the Gosselin girls are teased. I do.

But nice kids get teased, too. So do poor kids.

Janna said...

There is an instance I can think of when Mady could have been teased. How about when referring to her attitude, her mother called her ugly. A kid that age would likely hear it as she is physically ugly. I could just imagine other girls at school the next day telling her your mom thinks you are ugly. How sad:(

scarfoot said...

I was teased mercilessly because my mother dressed me like an idiot, and I had weird hair. I was teased, a lot. And, I was teased as a result of what my parents did.

Separate of my parents, I was teased for a variety of other things that are still painful to talk about.

Somehow, I am still speaking to my parents. I did manage to grow up normally. Today, I am a teacher and I see kids get teased non-stop. It just happens, people. Yes, it's really unfortunate that there is a possibility that the Gosselin kids will be teased as a result of being on a show. Even if they weren't on a show, they may be teased for being short/geeky/loud/whatever. Teasing does happen, and it hurts, but you have to move forward.

FIONA said...

Well sure, all kids get teased depending on so many different variables.

I think Mady's outbursts on TV have put a huge bullseye on her back that unfairly set her up for for more than just we might call "normal" teasing.


I guess if you think of your own worst moments as a kid, or of your own children...most of us would probably say no to recording them for all the world to see.

Saint said...

I guess if you think of your own worst moments as a kid, or of your own children...most of us would probably say no to recording them for all the world to see.

Seeing "worst moments" relaly makes me queasy. I really debate my feelings about this show because I do see this issue as being problematic to some degree. But I see two things swaying me in another direction: 1. the outbursts, "ugliness", happen less and less on screen, and the parents are pursuing other avenues to make money (book, etc.); 2. and really, no matter what, Mady and Cara or any of them might be teased for any reason, and teasing is teasing, it just has to be dealt with no matter why it started.

Veronica said...

I can see Hannah being an easy target

Why Hannah fiona?

Karen said...

Do you know why Kate has all those little post-it notes and organization charts around her house? It's so that all her helpers KNOW how to help her. Kate is so demanding and controlling that she requires all the volunteers to stick by her rules only. Hence, all the notes around the house.

Guinevere said...

Do you know why Kate has all those little post-it notes and organization charts around her house? It's so that all her helpers KNOW how to help her. Kate is so demanding and controlling that she requires all the volunteers to stick by her rules only. Hence, all the notes around the house.

I think the post-its are affirmations reminding her not to pay attention to people who blather on when they have no idea what they are talking about.

Theresa said...

Karen said Kate is so demanding and controlling that she requires all the volunteers to stick by her rules only. Hence, all the notes around the house.
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Karen, I would do the same thing if I had eight kids, six of whom were all preemie babies, with individual needs. There has to be an order, and since it's my house, it would only be right for it to be my order and my rules. If having to put post it notes all over for the different shifts of volunteers does the trick, then everyone is on the same page.

nc resident said...

Does he believe that his trouble with his peers as a child caused or contributed to his current problems? Actually he stated it caused past and present problems, addiction just one of them. He also stated a inability to commit to female companions as another issue he has.

My main focus was who will take the blame if something should happen? I hope they turn out fine.