Saturday, April 18, 2009

YES, I WAS ALLOWED TO LOOK AT HER


So, I took myself off to the East Bay suburbs last night, to a Borders in Pleasant Hill, CA, to attend a book signing by none other than Kate Gosselin herself of her new book, Eight Little Faces. I managed to get slightly lost along the way, and so arrived later than I’d planned – around 6:30 p.m. for a signing that was scheduled to begin at 7:00. As I drove up with my sister, we saw that there was a line stretched down the boulevard outside the store. That made me a little nervous, and I wondered exactly how long I’d have to wait in line or if I’d even get a chance to get my book signed.

The set up was actually quite efficient, and the line lead outside, I think, mostly because the Borders folks probably didn’t want it to snake all through the store. We bought a book and got a wristband, and settled down in line to wait. I did a quick headcount as I passed the line to go to the end, and would estimate there were about 400 people ahead of us (and by my count, another 100 behind us by the time we left). There were a lot of families, women with babies and teenaged girls in giggling gaggles, but overall I would say that the crowd ran the gamut and was diverse both ethnically and age-wise (not so much gender-wise, though it wasn’t entirely female by any means). My sister ended up running into two co-workers, both 20-something single women. I neither heard nor saw any evidence that anyone there was aware of the "controversy" surrounding the show.

Kate started signing a couple of minutes before 7 (my sister reconnoitered and reported back), and the line moved briskly. By 7:30, we were in front of the plate glass windows opposite which Kate was signing, albeit behind several shelves of books and a whole bunch of looky-loos (some people claimed they could see her, but I don’t see how; I definitely couldn’t). I have to say, there was a palpable air of excitement – more than I’d expect for a cable-tv “star”, even one that I know generates as much interest as Kate.

There were no rules for the signing other than get in line, have a book or DVD to be signed, and have a wristband. Borders employees came by and arranged the books for quick and efficient signing right before we got to the front of the line.

Probably by around 7:45, we were in sight of Kate herself. She looked…like Kate. It’s a little weird to see/hear a celebrity in person. There’s a bit of cognitive dissonance, I find, when you encounter in the flesh someone you're used to seeing on TV. But she looked good; I wouldn’t say she was “tiny” as has been reported, nor orange. Though she’s definitely quite tan, maybe a bit unnaturally so, her skin looked good - smooth and youthful. She was wearing a black dress (or possibly shirt and skirt set; I couldn’t quite tell). Her hair looked like her hair usually does. When we got up to the front, she signed and then handed the books back, saying, “Nice to meet you”. She was pretty much how I expected – definitely not cold, as I’ve heard some others complain (people who I suspect were inclined to dislike her already). But not super-warm, either. W hich is fine; I don’t think that’s her personality (it’s not mine, either), andI think it would come off phony if she tried to act that way. She was pleasant.

As we were leaving, we were allowed to stop briefly and take a photo – we got a shot of the woman in line behind us, who’d brought her young daughter. Kate perked up at the little girl, smiling and speaking directly to her. It was nice to see. I think she genuinely really loves kids and responds to them.

Thus ends my not very adventurous adventures. I’d love to report something scandalous, like a group of haters rushed Kate and smeared her with cupcake frosting, or she necked with her bodyguard between signings (I didn’t even notice the bodyguard, to be honest; my sister reported that he was “short”). But nothing all that exciting happened. And contrary to previous “reports”, I was allowed to look Kate in the eye, and she did not appear to view this as a sign of aggression. Proving, I guess, for once and for all that she is not a Rottweiller.

74 comments:

Nina Bell said...

Could you tell me what kind of shoes she had on? Were they Crocs? Maybe hooker Crocs?

Guinevere said...

Heh. I remembered after I posted to note the lack of hooker footwear. Unless you're talking about a very sedate hooker. They appear from the pic to be open-toed pumps, with moderate heels. I guess I should have done a close-up on her feet but I didn't want to freak out the short bodyguard.

Kikibee said...

Ah, yes, the open-toed pumps that "real" moms don't wear when they take their kids to the dentist. Was her little yellow jacket hanging on her chair? 'Cause "real" moms don't wear cute jackets either.

I'm still waiting for these child advocates to start picketing Kate's appearances. Don't they have their signs ready yet? They've been planning it forever.

merryway said...

Guin, awesome read.

Hooker crocks, that's too funny.

Liza Beth said...

Thank you for the info, Guin-- I am so glad it went well for you :). When I went last year I know it was the first book signing and the whole place was a mad house. Seems like they now have a well oiled machine in place and that the stores are prepared for the crowds that come.

Hooker crocs... wow... that is hilarious... will they have cork heels??

CincyMom said...

The post was nice and seemed very objective. Thanks Guin.

From the vast distance of the photo--her hair did seem a bit wacked. I know, I know, not the topic that makes the world turn, but I find it distracting for the visual world she is working in.

And I feel very Debbie Downer ish to have another somewhat negative comment, but I just don't understand the book's appeal. It really seems to focus on personal family items. I know many people write autobiographies but I think it seems different because it's about 8 (yes 8!! ; ) ) kids who are still little and it just seems too personal to me. Has anyone read it yet? I would like to hear if I am viewing this wrong since I haven't read it.


But I bet Crocs would have been comfortable to wear while standing in line.

Jill said...

I saw Kate too, in Fresno this week. I did not wait in line but rather just sat at a near by table...not too many feet from where she came in. I told about it on my blog. She seemed very business like to me.

Nina Bell said...

Well, I don't want to take over this thread with crock talk, but they do have hooker crocks.

Nina Bell said...

I have not read the book. We are talking about Multiple Blessings? Well I haven't read the other one either. Eight Little Faces. Which one is she promoting on this tour. I am confused.

Florida Mom said...

Thanks for the objective account Guin. It sounds so much more genuine than the ones where she is just perfection or she is Cruella Deville.
She is just a human being with her own set of flaws and virtues.

I went to Amazon.com to read the reviews of the new book, and most people seemed to think it wasn't worth it. Like it was a piece of fluff thrown out for consumption.

I thought maybe it was the crazies doing all the reviews, but I looked at her first book, and it had overwhelmingly good reviews. It seems like the crazies would have gone there, too. Maybe it is too early to get a good consensus, but I would like to hear from someone that has read the new book. (Apparently, you can read it while standing in the check out line.)

Jacelynn said...

Im glad the "good" stories about Kate are finally being heard. Kate isn't necessarily a person I would want to be best friends with (and Im sure it goes both ways :) but I do think she is a nice person.

Anyways glad you had a good time!

Guinevere said...

I went to Amazon.com to read the reviews of the new book, and most people seemed to think it wasn't worth it. Like it was a piece of fluff thrown out for consumption.Yeah, I'd say that's about right. It's really very slight, content-wise. I didn't mind buying it to get the opportunity to get it signed (and to support the Gosselins, crazed fan that I am), but fluff about covers it. I'm sure that might bother some people, and in a way I can understand - selling pics of the kids and putting the book out now just to capitalize on the Gosselins' success. But I've seen dumber books selling for $15,a nd it's not like anyone is forced to buy it. I can't imagine it will do as well as "Multiple Blessings" because you could really just stand in the store and read it in a few minutes.

(There is a pic of Kate as a child in it - she was a very pretty little girl!)

Baby Mama said...

Guin~ Yay! your a card carrying member of the "I went to see Kate Gosselin but forgot my hooker crocs!"

UGGHH Reading how some of the trolls spin how a book signing went is an exhausting but fun read. I try not to go to the dark side but only once a week for fear of my hair truing different shades and starting to stick up. I'm so glad to hear you went and you got to see her. She doesn't look orange or crazy thin in person at all. And lo and behold shes just a person trying to make a buck like the rest of us! You kinda feel like your on TV with her when you first meet her in person. Does that sound bazaar? I'm glad that you got to look directly into her eyes and see the soul of a mom & wife and not a heartless shrew.

Love hearing about it...ONTO New York..The poor girl must be exhausted!

nomoredrama said...

I like your description of Kate. Not warm but not awful. I think that's kind of how I experienced her when I went to the speaking engagement back in September.

I mean she certainly isn't Suzie Sunshine but whatev.

I decided Im going to get a gig like that and tour the country signing books.

Must be nice (I'm kinda bitter today, LOL)

Guinevere said...

I mean she certainly isn't Suzie Sunshine but whatev.She's really not. And I think that's okay. I tend to think of "nice" as a way that people act, rather than how people really are under the surface. There are plenty of people who act nice who aren't really good people underneath, and there are people who are less outgoing and effusive and friendly, but would totally be there for you when you really needed them. It doesn't bother me that Kate is a little cool and business-like at signings or speeches. Even as a mother, she's more of no-nonsense brusque type than the covering-her-kids-with-kisses type. I think the kids still know that they are loved, though.

merryway said...

And I feel very Debbie Downer ish to have another somewhat negative comment, but I just don't understand the book's appeal. It really seems to focus on personal family items. Cincymom, whenever it was that I heard the second book was pics of the kids, I thought it was too much. I felt different when I read the descriptions and then I saw a couple of pages online. It looked like a little devotional scrapbook.
I would think this book would be used to sell as a souvenir of Kate's engagements. It's a Christian book w/a crossover audience. If Kate had come to the church in which I grew up attending, I know many of our moms would have bought it. Our church had a bookstore. If the guest speaker had a book(s), it would be available after the service.

I love the Debby Downer skits, its a bonus when the cast can't make it through w/o cracking up

marci said...

First of all...Nina, love the Croc avatar (tee hee). ;)

Hooker Crocs...who knew?

Guin,

Glad you got to experience her "in the flesh". You account was as I envisioned it would be for most people.

Kate's going to be within a few hours' drive of me next weekend, but only for a book signing. So I don't really see how it would be worth the trip. Plus...this will be a shocker...I haven't bought (or read) either of the books, so we're talking quite an expense. I think I'll wait and see if she has any speaking engagements in the future in my area.

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I know this probably is the wrong thread...but anyone watch Project Runway?

I got a picture of Tim Gunn yesterday at Macy's. Didn't even know he was going to be there. I didn't stand in line to meet him, just got a picture. It is a bit surreal to see a tv personality in person.

marci said...

Oh....I LOVE how now the "hater" who was going to have t-shirts made to protest Kate's exploitation of her children and "confront" her about it at the book signing Guin went to was suddenly moved to, not only apathy, but felt somehow compelled to BUY the "Eight Little Faces" book of EXPLOITATION and stand in line and subject herself to the RULES to have Kate sign it.

Months of bitching on the internet, and all she ends up doing with her "child advocacy" is contributing her time and MONEY to the "child exploiter". AND the "child advocacy" site happily posts it. Perfect.

It's called "talking out of both sides of your mouth", ladies.

marci said...

CORRECTION....

The "anti-child exploitation" site happily posted the "anti-child exploitation" poster's account of BUYING THE BOOK.

Saint said...

Nina Bell,
Hooker crocs!!? You're too funny.
I will never look at crocs the same way again.
Guin,
Thanks for the update. It all sounds very reasonable. You'll have to do a review of the book for us.

Eileen said...

Marci, I've noticed in the past few months (really just since I've even become aware of the love/hate) that both sides seem to be coming to a more 'middle of the road' stance, except for a few really avid haters and a few really avid lovers. The haters refuse to see anything positive and the lovers refuse to see anything negative and both those extremes seem weird to me. I can't say anything about the one blog that's really labeled a hate site because I don't read there much and when I do I skip through a lot, it's too much to read every post, so I don't want to judge them on the few I've read. The few I've read are definitely not positive but they didn't seem really hateful either. But I've noticed even in talking to people that I know personally who have an interest in the show they neither love nor hate it anymore, they seem more indifferent to it now.
A lot of them have lost interest in watching any of the Reality TV now.
And among people I know, I do hear a lot more 'child advocacy' talk especially since Nadya Suleman, it's more talk about how there should be tougher laws to protect ALL kids on Reality TV, which I think is a very positive step.

Nina, there you go, you now have comfortable 'heels' you can wear to a wedding!
I've been wearing my Crocs all weekend!
Here's a tip though - do NOT wear them to a garden center, you will come home with wet, muddy feet, and you will have to hose off your Crocs and your feet (which is easy enough I guess, but cold)!

marci said...

Eileen,

I'm equally aware of an "evening out" of the the general online attitude towards the Gosselins. I personally see no reason to "love" or "hate" them. Those extremes make no sense to me either

I do, however, think it's also relevant to point out the whiplash effect of someone who bashes the Gosselins for exploiting their children in one breath, literally, and then goes on spend money to buy the book and stand in line to meet Kate and write about it in the next....all of which would contribute to the exploitation of the Gosselin children, according to what's been said for months on the "hate" sites.

My opinion is, if someone feels the show and anything that earns money for the Gosselins based on their childrens' existence they should practice what they preach.

Do not do anything to contribute to the supposed exploitation.

Someone can't call people who watch the show and buy the books or go to speaking engagements "sheeple" and "contributors to child exploitation" and then turn around and do it themselves and be expected to be taken seriously.

Theresa said...

I can't respect anybody who has to group people together and make up a stupid word for it..."sheeple", wtf? That is THE stupidest group-think word I have ever come across. Most often, it is used in their writings from bitter, mean women and men.

Guin, glad you got to see Kate and write about it in a fair way (not extreme for either side). Kate's real, and that's what you depicted. Thanks. It's refreshing to read.

Nina, when I read "hooker crocs" I spat my coffee out. Thanks for the laugh! :)

Eileen said...

It's actually kind of shocking to me (well I guess shocking is extreme, but it is surprising to me) to hear that someone who does not like Kate Gosselin at all would go out of their way to buy her book and wait on line and have her sign it. Huh?????
I don't get it.
I really don't like her much, but I don't hate her either. And I have no interest in buying her book or getting her signature.
I'll agree it is a very interesting topic of discussion, but I don't even understand fans going out of their way to see her in person (but I'm like that with all celebrities, I wouldn't walk out of my way to see one, unless it's like a Broadway show or a concert, that type of thing, but I wouldn't wait around afterward hoping for an autograph), so I definitely can't understand a non-fan doing that! What was the purpose? Did they say?

Theresa said...

I'll agree it is a very interesting topic of discussion, but I don't even understand fans going out of their way to see her in person (but I'm like that with all celebrities, I wouldn't walk out of my way to see one, unless it's like a Broadway show or a concert, that type of thing, but I wouldn't wait around afterward hoping for an autograph), so I definitely can't understand a non-fan doing that! What was the purpose? Did they say? Eileen, I like Kate (she doesn't bother me), but as a fan of the show, I see where you're coming from. I personally don't have the time to stand in a line, etc. Way too much to do with my own family than stand in line and meet Kate. Although, if I were like Jill and happened to be in the same area and came across her and she said "hello", I wouldn't be gushing (not that Jill did, just using her circumstance of being in the same area), I would just act like how I do when I meet a regular person.

I have met quite a few celebrities throughout my career, and let me tell you, the less of a celeb, the nicer they are and the more appreciative they are. But, that's only my experience and opinion.

marci said...

Eileen,

As near as I can tell, the purpose was to have the opportunity to confront Kate or to somehow protest the exploitation of the Gosselin children at the book signing.

IMO, protesting would have been to print up those t-shirts she was claiming she was going to make (what they were going to say, I don't know) and stand outside where the people were waiting to get their books signed.

Even if she felt the exploitation of the Gosselin children worthy of buying the book so they could get in line to meet Kate (that was a requirement apparently) and confront her, her frenzy of purpose lost steam quickly when she apparently became faced with the fact that Kate is an actual real person and that it might be rather strange to start ranting and raving at her in front of all those other people. She even states she thinks that's what any other person would do when faced with the reality of the situation (duh).

So, when she realized she wasn't going to go through with the fantasy confrontation, she still gets in line, buys the book, takes a picture of said book with the receipt and stands in line for 45 minutes to meet Kate.

Really, it just appears to have been an excuse to see the "hated one" in person, just like any fan would.

How this episode at the book signing cannot be construed as contributing to the exploitation of the Gosselin children (since purchasing the book is supposed to be a direct contribution) is beyond me.

justaminute said...

Oh....I LOVE how now the "hater" who was going to have t-shirts made to protest Kate's exploitation of her children and "confront" her about it at the book signing Guin went to was suddenly moved to, not only apathy, but felt somehow compelled to BUY the "Eight Little Faces" book of EXPLOITATION and stand in line and subject herself to the RULES to have Kate sign it.

Months of bitching on the internet, and all she ends up doing with her "child advocacy" is contributing her time and MONEY to the "child exploiter". AND the "child advocacy" site happily posts it. Perfect.

It's called "talking out of both sides of your mouth", ladies.
Was it because my account was on Moon's site I am being labeled a "hater"? Months of bitching? Child Advocacy? I have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't "hate" anyone - including Kate Gosselin.

I attended the signing with a friend who is a fan. She paid for the book - in fact the book is going to the daughter of another co-worker who could not attend because she is on bedrest.

About the T shirts? It was a joke. The signing in Pleasant Hill was announced around the time the pictures of Jon surfaced. My friend and I jokingly said what if someone showed up to a signing with a t shirt with the picture of Jon with with girls?

If you read my account, I acknowledged that Kate greeted me, and that I heard her say "thank you" to other people. Did I go on about her looks or nit pick every little thing?

The rules were mentioned, because I wanted to see for myself if the "do not look her in the eye" thing was really true. Even as someone who is not an uber fan, could really not believe that was true.

So the only thing I was really "out" was time - I live 5 minutes away.

CincyMom said...

Merryway,thanks for telling me more about the book.

I loved the Debbie Downer skits too. The music and her grim look are sooo funny.

rain88 said...

I can't respect anybody who has to group people together and make up a stupid word for it..."sheeple", wtf? That is THE stupidest group-think word I have ever come across. Most often, it is used in their writings from bitter, mean women and men.I don't like the term sheeple, but I also don't like the term "haters" used to mean "those that don't think the way I do".

marci said...

justaminute,

I call it like I see it.

You posted your experience and I made note of the fact that you acted, IMO, hypocritically for participating in the very thing that the site you posted your story on claims is promoting child exploitation.

I didn't expect that you'd like someone pointing out the obvious two-faced quality of your behavior.

Liza Beth said...

I agree with the statements that Kate is not Little Miss Cheerful but that does not mean she is not gracious under the circumstances and handling herself in a manner appropriate for the situation.

Justaminute, I appreciate you coming here to share your side. I was not aware the t-shirt thing was a joke, since it appeared to be something people were serious about. I do agree with Marci that if a person considers the show to be child exploitation it does seem hypocritical to be participating in said exploitation by going to a book signing, waiting in line, taking pics, etc. Granted I have no idea what your particular feelings are about the show, but I hope you can see the disconnect there which was perceived by some who heard the situation.

Merryway I LOVE Debbie Downer skits as well- my favorite one (it is on Hulu.com) is when Ben Affleck was the guest host. The entire cast was cracking up through the whole skit, and by the end Ben was laughing as he said his serious lines. Good stuff-- that always cheers me up!

Liza Beth said...

Also, rain88 I see your point about not liking 'sheeple' or 'hater.' I know we have discussed how to best label the differing sides of the Jon and Kate debate, and I know some of us prefer to say "non fan" or just that the person is against the show. I really do think most of us have the same thoughts on the show but have extremely different ways of expressing ourselves and our views. I do not know if there is a real clear cut way to express this dichotomy though.

justaminute said...

I think it would have been hypocritical of me to post negative things that just did not occur.

I think their are a lot of non-fans that will perpetuate their opinion of Kate based on other people's accounts. I had the chance to see for myself. I didn't go out of my way, I didn't purchase the book.

In the end the book went to someone who will appreciate it.

marci said...

justaminute said...
I think it would have been hypocritical of me to post negative things that just did not occur.
I think if you posted things that did not occur you would have been lying.

I actually agree with you that the previous account of the rules for the book signing where that person said they were instructed not to look Kate in the eyes was outrageous. I think the poster even stated later she put that in her account for dramtic affect, so I doubt you needed to "see for yourself" if it was true.

I had the chance to see for myself. I didn't go out of my way, I didn't purchase the book.
In the end the book went to someone who will appreciate it.
Sorry. This still is hypocritical to me. You either believe the Gosselins exploit their kids or you don't. You either believe the people who buy their books and watch the show are contributing to the exploitation or you don't.

rain88 said...

You posted your experience and I made note of the fact that you acted, IMO, hypocritically for participating in the very thing that the site you posted your story on claims is promoting child exploitation.


I didn't expect that you'd like someone pointing out the obvious two-faced quality of your behavior.
I don’t see anything two-faced about Justaminute’s post. Are all posters at that site supposed to think exactly like the owner, otherwise they are labeled hypocrites.

Justaminute, I thought your post was very even-handed and appreciated, I don’t see it as hypocritical at all.

Guinevere said...

I got a picture of Tim Gunn yesterday at Macy's. Didn't even know he was going to be there. I didn't stand in line to meet him, just got a picture. It is a bit surreal to see a tv personality in person.I came late to PR (just really watched the last two seasons), but like almost every viewer, it seems, I LOVE Tim Gunn. He is so cool. I can't even blame him for not liking Kenley, since I'm the only person in the universe who apparently does.

Eileen said...

Wow! For a story I had almost no interest in, this turned out to be a very interesting thread.
To tell you the truth, I don't know how I feel about the exploitation debate, it's such a gray area, and it's hard when you feel you have no right to tell another family how to live. I'll be honest I never thought much about it until Nadya Suleman, and then I started thinking that it would be unfair of me to hold her to a different standard than I would other Reality TV families.
My feeling now is that no parent should allow their children to participate in a TV show until regulations are set in place. I can't understand if there are laws in place for child actors and child modeling, why would there not be protection for children of Reality TV? It doesn't make sense to me.
That's something I wouldn't mind taking a personal interest in advocating, not just talk about it but really try to do something to make sure kids are protected.
I'm going to start 'googling'. I think California has laws about kids on Reality TV, how did they do it? And why wouldn't all States follow down that same path?
justaminute, I don't think I've read anything you've posted elsewhere but I'm not sure, I can not remember all the names and comments on different sites. But from what I've read that you wrote here you don't sound like you hate Kate Gosselin.

I think sometimes people just get caught up in a certain mind-set, people tend to go with the flow sometimes. I seriously don't know if there are really vocal haters out there (other than people that write to each other on these blogs) because I don't think I've ever heard of anyone confronting Kate or Jon Gosselin in a negative way. I would think if people felt that strong about something there would be more negative incidents.
I feel the strong negative feeling is more against the fans rather than the Gosselin family. The idea of what happened to one poster (I don't remember the name but personal information was put out on websites about him/her, and then on one of the posters here, and then a whole thread here was reposted someplace else), all that is directed at fans and has nothing to do with hurting the Gosselin family and that is why I feel it's more a hate between the fans and the non-fans. But that's just my opinion.
Oh, and I don't see making fun of Kate's hair or skin tones as hate, just as people making fun of skinny models doesn't sound like hate to me. I certainly don't see it as child advocacy either though.
I'm done rambling now.

marci said...

rain88,

Then all she has to do is state she doesn't believe the Gosselins exploit their kids and that going to the booksigning does not contribute to the exploitation. If she does, the hypocracy argument will be negated. Simple.

I would then, however, have to wonder about everything else she's ever posted.

marci said...

Guin said..
I came late to PR (just really watched the last two seasons), but like almost every viewer, it seems, I LOVE Tim Gunn. He is so cool. I can't even blame him for not liking Kenley, since I'm the only person in the universe who apparently does.
I really like Tim Gunn as well. And, I have to say, if Tim Gunn actually said he doesn't like Kenley (the man who is so very diplomatic), there must be something to it.

I understand the show has changed networks, from Bravo to Lifetime. Don't know why. Hope it stays the same.

I'll cut it short now since this is the wrong thread. :)

Guinevere said...

Re "sheeple" and "haters" - the former was not coined by the anti-Gosselinites. It's been around for a bit and is used to describe various factions politically, etc. I don't appreciate it but I don't think it applies to me, either.

The latter - well, I use it to describe people who I think it fits. Not all people who dislike the show, dislike Kate, have problems with the Gosselins choices, etc. are haters. But a lot of anti-Gosselinites fit the label, IMO, and their own words condemn them. There are two sites I'm thinking of - if you read many of the comments there, these are women with a great deal of vitriol and anger against Kate Gosselin. They say appalling things regularly. It's not a matter of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch or a few off comments slipping through that are the exception. The ugliness is the rule on these sites. So I think it's fair to call these women haters. If you post on those sites and don't engage in that level of ugliness, then I'm not calling you a hater. But I do have to wonder why you'd (general you, I'm not speaking to anyone specific here) would want to hang out with such ugly, crude, mean and classless women.

Guinevere said...

I will defend justaminute for a second here: I can sort of understand a non-fan going to a signing and waiting in line. I'm not sure about paying for the book, if you believe that it's contributing to child exploitation, but she's explained that.

Despite what some may think, I'm not an uber-fan of Kate's. I like her. I have very little problem with her flaws - I acknowledge them as flaws, but they don't bother me, and I don't feel the need to get morally outraged about them. That said, I don't admire her. I admire very few people in this world. So I didn't pay for the book and wait in line because I'm a fan. Or at least that was not my main reason. I've been blogging about the Gosselins for almost a year, and it seemed appropriate to expend a fairly minor amount of effort to be able to see this person I've talked so much about in the flesh and report back.

I can see it being the same for a non-fan. Perhaps justaminute wanted to be able to report back to her peeps about it. It doesn't strike me as *so* odd.

That said (oh, come on, you knew there was a "but" coming): justaminute, I had heard about your classless and immature "t-shirt" plan, and it certainly didn't come off to me like a joke. I don't believe you didn't do it because it wasn't worth it, I think you chickened out. JMO, obviously - I don't know you at all. But to claim in one place you're going to do something, then claim later that it wasn't worth it, then the same day tell another story ("it was a joke") - it doesn't make you look good.

I'm still glad you did not do it; it was, again, a very tacky and crude idea, and it would've reflected poorly on you, not on Kate. Though I'm not sure you realize that.

Since someone sent me your account, I will say that you did not totally rip her or appear to lie outright. There were a lot of little digs in what you wrote, but that's to be expected. I think calling her outfit low-cut is a bit much, but maybe you're Amish or something and your idea of low-cut is different from mine.

I know you said your friend counted about 200 people. I did a quick head count and I'm positive that my estimate of 400-500 is more accurate. Not 400-500 individuals each getting books signed, because most people were not there by themselves. I was counting kids as well as adults but not babies in arms or strollers.

I think you tried to make the book-signing sound like it wasn't successful, and I disagree with that assessment. It was pretty darn crowded there, and I'm sure Borders sold plenty of books, in addition to picking up extra cafe revenue, etc. I've been in bookstores more than once where an author sat at a booksigning table with *no one* coming up to him or her. I would bet you anything Borders considers this to have been a very successful event. As for it being over in an hour, I doubt Kate was disappointed if she got out of there a bit early (assuming she didn't stick around 'til 9; I don't know because I left after I got the book signed). I think it was over quickly because the staff was very efficient and really kept things moving along.

Finally, to clarify about the "rules" - they were on a small strip of paper and appeared to me to be extremely generic, standard rules for booksignings. I would not be surprised if they were generated by Borders based on their policy for booksignings that they expect to draw largish crowds. There was nothing in there that I think anyone could identify as being driven by Kate's supposed exaggerated sense of self-importance.

nomoredrama said...

I don't think Just A Minute's post was hypocritical. I thought it was fair.l I actually respected that she allowed herself to be taken in and form an opinion while meeting her in person.

I read both accounts (obviously I read Guins, LOL)...I thought both posters tried to remain objective and be accurate.

I like getting the different perspectives. My opinion only.

justaminute said...

Thank you Rain, No More Drama & Guin for the remarks.

Realistically - non fan or not would anyone do anything that would that reflect badly on themselves. Call it chickening out if you like, but the T shirt thing was always a joke. If others really thought I serious, then I apologize.

I don't know how the crowd looked at 6:30 - my friend said there was about 200 people there. I suck at estimating - I just know that I was in line at 7:25 and less than 30 minutes later I was done.

My friend and I stopped in Martinez for a bite to eat after and I was home by 8:25pm.

marci said...

Okay, let me state something clearly, because there seems to be a sticking point.

I did not say that I thought justaminute's post about going to the book signing was hypocritical or that she lied. In other words, what she SAID was not what I was calling hypocritical.

What I thought was hypocritical was a poster who has taken an active part in labeling Kate Gosselin a child exploiter and then attends a book signing and "purchases a book for a friend" - participates AT ALL.

Once again, if someone, anyone, thinks that the Gosselins exploit their children (an opinion I do not share) then I think you should stand behind that opinion. I cannot abide people who moan and groan about the wrongs the Gosselins do, and then make excuses for themselves when they participate in what they so adamantly criticize.

Anya said...

marci said...What I thought was hypocritical was a poster who has taken an active part in labeling Kate Gosselin a child exploiter and then attends a book signing and "purchases a book for a friend" - participates AT ALL.

I have to agree with Marci here. I don't mean to single out or slam Justaminute. For me, it's more the general mindset of the GWoP, etc. folks who complain about child exploitation and yet contribute so much to the Gosselin "buzz" with admitted watching of the show (even when they claim it's because they are in a body cast with a broken remote), recaps of the show and endless blogging about Kate's appearance and other ancillary issues.

Justaminute - I *do* appreciate you coming here and clarifying your position. I think you really attempted to be fair and I respect that. I am glad the t-shirt thing was just a joke. That kind of bothered me on Friday, to be honest.

Hope everyone is having a nice Sunday.

Florida Mom said...

I am one of those people that have after a lot of thought(probably too much considering the topic:), have come to the opinion that this could be considered exploitation. Not criminal, or abusive--but possibly short-sighted. Just my opinion, of course.

I watched an episode of Biography on Ron Howard. His parents did such a great job of giving him a normal childhood. I don't know if that is even possible in this weird, "know everything everyone is doing every minute", world.

If it is strange for people that don't like Kate to stand in line to check her out, I'd have to admit that I think it is strange that people stand in line, buy her book, and then are honored that she said thank you. I have read accounts on other sites of their encounters with her and it was akin to meeting royalty.

I guess I've never gotten the celebrity thing. I'm happy that people get such a thrill, but really--she should be thanking you.

Daisy said...

Guin, glad you got to go too.

Marci, you haven't read the book??? I'm floored.

Guinevere said...

I guess I've never gotten the celebrity thing. I'm happy that people get such a thrill, but really--she should be thanking you.Well, I don't think thanks are really owed either way. I mean, I've never been much of a believer that actors or athletes should be grateful to the fans for "making" them - IMO, if I go to a movie or a baseball game, I'm not doing it for altruistic reasons. I'm getting what I've paid for in the form of entertainment, and nothing further is owed.

But I also am not one to get gaga over most celebrities. I don't really understand getting worked up about getting autographs (I haven't even looked at Kate's, since she signed it), though I suppose collecting them is just a hobby for some people. There are very few people I will go fan-girl on. I haven't read any accounts of anyone getting very excited about meeting Kate, but I'm sure they exist. To each her own - at least it's not more negativity.

To refine my thoughts on hypocrisy, I would agree that if you specifically think the kids are being exploited, even participating in the booksigning event is at least mildly wrong. But if you just dislike her, maybe not. Again, I can understand wanting to do it just to see for yourself how she comes off in person, since we've been talking about her so much.

Eileen said...

Theresa, you said you've met quite a few celebrities in your career. I'm sorry if I should know this, but I don't remember if you ever mentioned what your career was.

I haven't met any celebrities but I've seen a lot of them on the streets of Manhattan, everybody just passes them by like it's nothing. And I've seen them in restaurants a lot in Manhattan too, and sometimes in hotel lobbies.
A few years ago my sister-in-law and I were in a little cafe in the Village and we saw Ed Burns and Kristy Turlington (I have no idea how to spell her name, that model that he was with, maybe they're still together I'm not sure), they were there having lunch with their baby and some friends. Well, my sister-in-law was so star struck and all excited. I switched seats with her so that my back was to them and she could oogle without bringing attention to herself. It was so funny, and it happened to be her birthday and that made her day!
I'm trying to think if there's anyone I would get excited to see or meet and I'm having a hard time coming up with a name! Maybe if I could interview somebody, really spend time with them I'd be excited, but just to see someone or say hello, it doesn't do anything for me.
Well, I guess this belongs in Open Discussion anyway.

Justaminute, I have to hand it to you coming here to explain yourself, I don't think I would have done it.

And, Guin, I agree that thanks are not owed either way, an entertainer does their job by entertaining us, they don't owe us anything more than a job well done, but it does make it nicer if they seem gracious and appreciative. And I do like when I hear someone famous talk about their fans in an appreciative manner, or reading stories about stars that take the time to sign autographs, pose for pictures, and chat. I don't think it's something they owe the fans, but I think it says a lot about the character of a person when they go that extra mile. But that also goes for all people in all walks of life, doctors with bedside manner, teachers that work with kids that have a hard time with schoolwork, that type of thing. It's nothing they have to do, it's nothing that is owed, it's just nice.

Theresa said...

Theresa, you said you've met quite a few celebrities in your career. I'm sorry if I should know this, but I don't remember if you ever mentioned what your career was.I have been in the radio business for the last 25 years. I also worked in a tv promotions department for close to 4 years.

Eileen said...

That sounds like an interesting career, Theresa.
And I can see where you wouldn't be so star struck either, when it's almost a part of your everyday life I guess it becomes routine.
And it's interesting to hear that the not-so-famous celebrities were the nicest ones in your experience.

I don't care who you are, I just don't get the sense of entitlement some people walk around with. And it's not just famous people or people with money that act that way, I see it in my everyday life with everyday people. It's amazing.

Mom said...

Guin - thanks so much for the recap of your experience.

I saw the book when I was at Target (stocking up on diapers!). It was only $11 (I think a special 30% off of the publisher's SRP). It took less than 5 minutes for me to read it.

I have to be honest and say I really don't "get it." I'm not sure who the audience is supposed to be. It just reminded me of a "gift" type book that sits on a shelf, etc.

There was a funny picture of Hannah in the hallway of the old house and a few other cute pics. The rest were "group pics" we've kind of seen already through the show. I think the Bible passages were a nice touch, but I still don't really get it.

I think I was expecting more of a diary that contained notes to each child or something like that. I kept saying "I know, I know" as I was reading through some of the pages.

I doubt it will be as successful as Multiple Blessings, but that's just my opinion. I won't be buying it. Overall, I guess I was expecting something quite different. For me it was a bit of a let down. Oh well.

Florida Mom said...

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I think people that earn their livelihood from fans, owe them their gratitude. They don't owe them personal information. The fans don't have the right of familiarity. The fans don't have the right to take pictures. But they do deserve respect and graciousness. Fans shouldn't think that the person you just bought a book from is doing something exceptional by saying "Thank You". Maybe the people that I read about were so elated, because they had read nasty comments about Kate's public appearances before. I don't know.

In the field I work in, I wouldn't have a job without the people that patronize the place where I am employed. I treat them with respect and gratitude. Nothing more, nothing less. And they shouldn't be surprised to get this treatment.

justaminute said...

To refine my thoughts on hypocrisy, I would agree that if you specifically think the kids are being exploited, even participating in the booksigning event is at least mildly wrong. But if you just dislike her, maybe not. Again, I can understand wanting to do it just to see for yourself how she comes off in person, since we've been talking about her so much.My main reason for going was just to see for myself how she comes off in person.

In the beginning, I was a Kate Defender. She is in a situation that most of us will never be in.

In terms of "exploiting". I think that Jon and Kate have/are benefiting because of their children. I don't like that the children have been filmed bathing, in various forms of undress and mid melt down.

Speaking engagements are things that Jon and Kate do on their own that don't involve the children - I've never been to one, but it doesn't seem right to talk about "how bad it was", that's not outright crying poor, but it plants the seed that they are somehow still struggling.

Regarding the book signing. It didn't appear that this was a push specifically for 8 Little Faces, I saw a lot of people with their own copies of Multiple Blessings. Once again, that doesn't involve the children. I just wish Kate would acknowledge Beth's part. 8 Little Faces has a lot of pictures in it - specifically one of the twins in their uniform and one of Hannah with her skirt pulled up and pants around her ankles. As a Mother, I would be wary of just putting my children's photos out there.

Anya & Eileen - thank you, I don't think there is just ONE WAY to feel about something.

merryway said...

If it is strange for people that don't like Kate to stand in line to check her out, I'd have to admit that I think it is strange that people stand in line, buy her book, and then are honored that she said thank you. I have read accounts on other sites of their encounters with her and it was akin to meeting royalty. People get a thrill out of all kinds of stuff. Even the chance to meet a so-so famous person or a local celebrity is a big deal to some.

Florida Mom, I caught the bio on Ron Howard. I was just sort of ½ watching and then felt like an idiot for suddenly tearing up when Opie was trying to make the bird come back to life.

I have autographs of some actors/actresses I admire and several signed books. I only waited in line for some of the books and that was before my back was bad. Standing in one place is painful for me. They usually had signed copies for sale if you went the next day. Someday, I will do something fun w/my star autographs, I just haven't figured out what.
I don't like crowds, so I can't think of anyone I would go to see anymore. I prob still go to see Ann Rule, I would have loved to have seen Erma Bombeck. I used to take my kids to the Star Wars and comic conventions and I will be loving/suffering through all the kid and tween stuff again, so I can't think of anyone else worth the crowd.


I don't think it's something they owe the fans, but I think it says a lot about the character of a person when they go that extra mile. But that also goes for all people in all walks of life, doctors with bedside manner, teachers that work with kids that have a hard time with schoolwork, that type of thing. It's nothing they have to do, it's nothing that is owed, it's just nice. Eileen, I love reading your posts and ita.

Eileen said...

Thank you, Merryway!

I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings here. I don't mean to belittle anyone if they are star struck, I know many people who are, I actually get a kick out of my sister-in-law.
But you know how it is when you don't have that same feeling and you just can't understand it? I guess the example I can give you is my husband loving his golf and I would rather be in labor again than go golfing!
I just don't understand his love for it at all, but I'm happy that he has that interest, and I'm happy for him when he does well on his golf outings each week. So, I'm happy for anyone here who gets excited to meet anyone that thrills them, even if I don't share the interest, I can share in your enjoyment.

And I really enjoy reading all your posts. You are all very interesting people from various walks of life, and I think all your opinions are of value, and I learn a lot from everyone.

Guinevere said...

I'm trying to think if there's anyone I would get excited to see or meet and I'm having a hard time coming up with a name! Maybe if I could interview somebody, really spend time with them I'd be excited, but just to see someone or say hello, it doesn't do anything for me.
I know exactly what you mean. I think it's because we feel that we "know" celebrities, but they don't know us. I'm sure there were people in that line on Friday night who really wanted or expected to have some sort of connection or "moment" with Kate, but I just don't think that's realistic. The star/fan relationship is a weird one because fans care about stars, but again, the stars don't know the fans individually, and so they can't really return the feeling.

And, Guin, I agree that thanks are not owed either way, an entertainer does their job by entertaining us, they don't owe us anything more than a job well done, but it does make it nicer if they seem gracious and appreciative. And I do like when I hear someone famous talk about their fans in an appreciative manner, or reading stories about stars that take the time to sign autographs, pose for pictures, and chat. I don't think it's something they owe the fans, but I think it says a lot about the character of a person when they go that extra mile. But that also goes for all people in all walks of life, doctors with bedside manner, teachers that work with kids that have a hard time with schoolwork, that type of thing. It's nothing they have to do, it's nothing that is owed, it's just nice.Oh, I totally agree. And it's smart, too, because a star's likability can factor into whether a person is interested in seeing their movie or not. I know I'm always disappointed when I hear that a star that I like is a jerk IRL.

Guinevere said...

And Florida Mom, I don't disagree with you, though IMO respect and graciousness is something we all owe each other, regardless of the circumstances.

Too Funny said...

I think it's funny how Justaminute is upset at how so many people perceived her "supposed" joke. She's so upset about people taking what she said "the wrong way" that she's over here trying to correct everyone. LOL

I see a little irony in it all. Sounds like the crap they pull with Kate and Jon all the time. You know, how when Kate jokes about something, or says one thing, and the haters take it and turn it into fact/wrong info.

I guess Justaminute got a small taste of her own medicine.

merryway said...

I'm trying to think if there's anyone I would get excited to see or meet and I'm having a hard time coming up with a name! Maybe if I could interview somebody, really spend time with them I'd be excited, but just to see someone or say hello, it doesn't do anything for me. For me, it's more like a memento of someone in who I'm interested. I guess I have a thing for writers, because I've visited historical homes and gone to the graves at Authors' Ridge.

Justaminute, I meant to put this in my last post, but blanked. I didn't read the t-shirt plan as a joke. I'm glad to hear that's all it was. Imo, J&K don't deserve protest and that energy could be better served elsewhere. I have a low opinion of moon's site, every thread is just a piece of Kate served out to be ripped apart.
It was a nice surprise to read your posts and I'm glad you came over to clarify your position. I wish there was more of this type of discussion without all of the unnecessary ugliness.

Rain88, just an fyi. I use the term haters and gwopers in an effort not to lump in all of the posters of any site.

Saint said...

Great thread! Many thanks to justaminute for defending herself here very well. Doing so helps put her comments in a better context. They seem much more toned down now. I agreed with Marci's original sentiments that there was a hypocritical tinge to what we read elsewhere. I completely understand where that came from. Many of us do read other blogs as they are public. I think the tone of "the room" that the comments appear in also color the way they are read. I did not think the T-shirts were a joke (glad to read they were, since that would have been cruel.) I've seen similar pranks discussed around the Gosselin blogosphere (post-its on book store stock, lying to/harrassing Pastor Craig, searching for personal info on the dog breeder to post publicly) and now wonder how many are serious and how many are just jokes or even purposeful pot-stirring.

Saint said...

merryway,
Where is Author's Ridge?

Saint said...

I just got a children's book signed by a favorite author. I walked into the book room, saw a line forming, and asked what it was for. When I saw I was one of the first ten, I stood and waited. I love this guy's stories. He addressed the book to my daughter, and she was excited to have an autographed copy. I was happy to meet the author of a good book and tell him I appreciate his stories.

I've emailed authors when I their work has moved me, or I had a question about the book. I had a nice back and forth (lots of questions on my part) with Lois Lowry a few years back. I probably should have saved the emails. (Maybe I did?) I think everyone is happy to hear their work is appreciated. I know I like that too. I bet Kate does, too.

merryway said...

If you switch the category to music, I can think of a few that I would go “ga ga” over.

Hi Saint and my apologies. I sound presumptuous in my post, sorry, it's early. Authors Ridge is in the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery in Concord. Louisa May Alcott, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Henry David Thoreau are laid to rest there. I also enjoy old cemeteries. I think it's interesting to see the different stones/memorials and the dates.

http://www.newenglandtravelplanner.com/go/ma/boston_west/concord/sights/authors_ridge.html

Jacelynn said...

I wont be buying 8 Little Faces. I thinks its just odd of anybody to sell or buy another family's photo album/scrap book. I think selling your children's pictures in a photo book designed especially for that is borderline exploitation. I did buy and read Multiple Blessings and I liked it. Im not sure how much of the actual writing Kate did, especially since Beth came out in the Reading Eagle and said "it was her story but I wrote it." I really wish Kate would acknowledge Beth's work.

missycristin said...

Just A Minute...
I just read your post on another blog regarding the t shirts and you mentioned you didn't do them because there wasn't enough time. You also cited some sort of relationship with local law enforcement as a reason, but you never said (on that blog) that it was only a joke.
Just pointing out some inconsistencies...

Anya said...

Jacelynn said...
I wont be buying 8 Little Faces. I thinks its just odd of anybody to sell or buy another family's photo album/scrap book. I think selling your children's pictures in a photo book designed especially for that is borderline exploitation.


Well, I did buy the book. It's interesting -- although the focus of the book has been presented as a sort of private photo album, that is just one part of it. I think I had seen about half of the pictures before. As others have mentioned, it is more of a devotional type book organized around themes - unity is one I remember (don't have the book in front of me). There is a short paragraph from Kate discussing the concept in relation to her journey and then a Bible quote. The pictures are just kind of window dressing.

I am not defending the book one way or another. I think people who appreciate a light devotional might like it. Many may not. I just don't think the pictures will be a real draw for anyone because there really isn't that much there. Just my opinion.

Jacelynn said...

Anya: From the way the book is being promoted I thought it was a picture book with some bible versus thrown in. But I guess its the other way around? Either way seems like easy money to me. Kate writes a few paragraphs and hands in some pictures. Oh well, I hope everybody who buys the book enjoys it.

Saint said...

Merryway,
I've been there! I mean Author's Ridge. I went to the Boston area for 2 weeks as a teen. i thought it sounded familiar...

Kuromi said...

Guinevere: I liked Kenley too! I thought her actions were more about defending herself, rather than being a jerk for the sake of it. (Unlike that Jeffrey guy who won a few seasons ago; he should've been cut after the "jet-setter" challenge when the outfit he created looked like something you could get at any Ed Hardy purveyor.) Maybe this explains why I like Mady too? :)

Merryway: How nice that you took your kids to Star Wars and other cons! Hope they appreciate it. My mother hated sci-fi so much that I didn't see (the original) Star Wars movie until almost a year after it came out!

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Anya said...

Jacelynn said...Anya: From the way the book is being promoted I thought it was a picture book with some bible versus thrown in. But I guess its the other way around? Either way seems like easy money to me.


Oh, it's easy money, don't get me wrong on that! LOL. I would even say it's an attempt to cash in. I don't mean that in the harsh way it sounds. It is what it is.

Tori Spelling has another book out. I have nothing against the girl, but honestly, I am not sure what she will write about. I guess someone will buy it, however.

I *do* understand your point too, however, and I know others see a difference between this book and "Multiple Blessings". I can appreciate that perspective.

Guinevere said...

Guinevere: I liked Kenley too! I thought her actions were more about defending herself, rather than being a jerk for the sake of it. (Unlike that Jeffrey guy who won a few seasons ago; he should've been cut after the "jet-setter" challenge when the outfit he created looked like something you could get at any Ed Hardy purveyor.) Maybe this explains why I like Mady too? :)Jeffrey was before my time but I saw enough of him to find him icky and obnoxious.

Kenley could definitely be obnoxious (and I don't condone the cat throwing!), but I just saw her as immature and insecure. I liked her personal style a lot, and her designs were interesting, though she had a little bit too much of a fondness for busy floral fabrics for my taste.

I like Mady too! I am drawn to difficult women on reality TV. I've definitely had my share of disliked women, too, but they tend to be the bitchy, skanky ones rather than the bitchy, neurotic ones.

merryway said...

Kuromi, I liked the comic cons. But, I have heard my fill of Star Wars. I would skip out while when it was time for the speakers.