WOW! Kate talked to People magazine about the new reports that she is cheating on Jon. She is horrified that people would say that. The article says: "These are people who absolutely love us and want to see us through to the end," Kate says of Neild and his family. "Of course, both of them travel with us at times, and we've spent holidays together, because, in this situation, your circle grows smaller and smaller, and it's very natural to become friends with your manager, your publicist, your security team ... they're the only people you have left. And now they're coming under fire." The whole article is really good-- Kate states that they know they opened themselves up to this kind of exposure by having the show, but not they have friends and family who have paparazzi at their doorsteps which she feels is just out of line. In her words, "It's like saying, 'Thanks for your support, let me sic the paparazzi on you.' It's very very difficult. It leaves us, essentially, alone and friendless. It's terrible."I think this shows a different side of Kate and makes me empathize with her more-- she's right, they as a family opened themselves up to the limelight. They have said that friends and family (Jon's mom, Bev, some others) do not want to be on camera and thus are not a part of the show. Seeing the response Jon's shenanigans has had makes me realize just how stressful it must be to have your family on TV then see the media picking apart those that you know as well.
It's a sad situation, and even if they cancel the show now it will most likely not end for awhile....
While their situation does put them at risk for many things such as alienation an more, there is a remedy, they could stop inviting the world in their lives. It all stems back to thier decsion to go public. It comes with pluses and minuses.
What I hate is that the paps are on the kids, and it will continue to get worse.
This is just sad...... not for Jon and Kate because they knew going in that this could potentially happen and they still chose it..... but for the 8 little kids that have no say in the matter. I know that has been said numerous times here but Im just getting so sick of the media harping on Jon and Kate. I think its time Jon and Kate take their family and try to salvage the little time they have left with their children.
Beth and Bob, Kevin and Jodi did not make the decision not to be filmed. TLC wanted to pay them for their appearances on the show and someone didn't want them to get paid. But that doesn't mean you shut them out of two of the most stable influences the kids had in their lives. It is a very sad, sad situation when the only "friends" in your lives are paid bodyguards and paid PR people. These "Friends" are paid to be in your lives and your innocent children's lives. It doesn't look like Katie Irene's train is going to stop soon and if you are not willing to do the selfless thing then she needs to accept the fact that the paps will never leave them alone as long as you keep up the t.v. show, book tours, talk show appearances, etc. and now teaming w/Wal-Mart..... They would leave you alone if you just went home to Pennsylvania and finally enjoy your dream house and try to make it into your dream home. Kate wants to be a talk show host and nothing or no one is going to stand in her way and that includes 8 little children.
What a load of crap...she says their circle of friends is getting smaller because of the exposure...I am sure if Jon and Kate's friends and relatives were still allowed to be a part of their lives, they would be. Why not have these people in their lives when the cameras aren't rolling? Why do I think this is just more bs on why those kids have no relatives to spend their birthdays, holidays, etc with. If Kate had not treated everyone so badly they would still be around... I cannot help but think that every word out of that womans mouth is a lie, anything to keep herself looking good in the public eye...
Leave it to me to be more excited that she's handling herself so well than of any of the speculation & lies. She was really poised and professional on that show. So much more confident than previously. And how exciting that she is designing a new line of kids clothes for Walmart. I wish I was at that show! (lol)
IMHO, yes, the put themselves on TV, but NO this is not part of the deal, No one should have to be stalked both in real life or online. I think Kate is handling herself very well, considering the situation.
The articles that said Kate was cheating on Jon were based on an unfounded rumor... The person they spoke and who is quoted in the articles said "She HEARD that Kate was getting too close to her personal trainer..." This is not responsible reporting and those who think that the G's deserve this treatment are wrong, IMHO. No one deserves to be stalked.
because they knew going in that this could potentially happen and they still chose it.I do not believe that Jon and Kate would have chosen to do this if they knew that one day the scummy paparazzi would be stalking them on a daily basis.
They probably figured that being on TLC would be "safe" and their personal lives wouldn't be under a lot of scrutiny. I am sure they realized that they would be in the public eye, but I really feel they did not envision their current situation.
Unfortunately, with the tireless efforts of some people elsewhere on the internet, they are constantly under a microscope and their lives and the lives of their kids are forever changed, for the worse, because of it.
I am not saying they are to blame for Jon's choices, but I don't think they would be a media spectacle if some people didn't follow their every move and contact every imaginable media outlet.
5monkeys: I do think that they knew going in that things could get crazy. Maybe they didn't when they did the first specials maybe not even season 1, but I think that when they signed on for season 4 and 5 they knew this could happen. They chose to continue knowing the scrutiny they and they children were under so while I do feel bad that they have to deal with this in the publics eye I do think that they chose it.
While they may have been made aware of some of the pitfalls when they decided to do the show, I feel quite certain that they had no idea how venomous and evil some of the hater blogs would be and to what lengths certain online groups and people would go to try to bring them down. This is the part, to me, that does NOT go with the territory.
While Kate looked very pretty on Rachel Ray, I was very dismayed to watch her stand there and take credit for things that she did not do alone, or plain didn't do.
Rachel said Kate:
Has given over 11,000 baths. We all know that baths were Jon's job and Kate has admitted this herself.
Has changed over 30,000 diapers. Again, no credit given to Jon or the many volunteers and babysitters.
Has prepared over 35,000 meals. Seriously? How is that possible? 10 years = 3650 days. x's 3 meals a day = 10,950. And that's if she makes 3 meals a day, every day, for 10 years. There's just no way.
The crafts and ice cream presented as original "Kate" ideas? I've made boats since I was 3 ( starting with Dairy Queen banana split containers ), and most teachers make baggie ice cream with their classes. Hardly original ideas, yet Kate welcomed the applause as if she came up with them.
And the books. Still zero mention that Beth wrote MB.
I just don't understand how someone can stand in public like that and take full credit for things she clearly had help with.
Sandy, that stuff bothers me too. Especially since its not just speculation that she had help she has actually said she has had help, but then turns around and claims it all for herself? I dunno it just seems kinda cheap IMO.
This is the part, to me, that does NOT go with the territory-
Quiltart, I understand what you are saying, but there as many non-fans as fans that find the inconsistencies, lies, demeaning behavior on and on, very distasteful. So in my opinion, they, the Gosselin's have opened themselves up to just as much support as they have scrutiny.
I certainly don't blame even the meanest blogs for attempting to uncover untruths and blatant lies. (there are some blogs that are just hate, but I don't blame them for Jon and Kate's problems) Just today on RR, Kate is now claiming to be crafty while we all have seen her state that she doesn't like to do crafts, isn't creative, doesn't bake etc...I think it is certainly reasonalbe to question such turnabouts, or lies, or whatever people want to call them.
Sandy, I too get irked when those statistics are shown when we have been told by Jon and Kate that Jon does the baths.
Once again, it is a matter of perception. I do not consider it a "lie" when Kate does something that is in contrast to a statement she made three years ago. She has said she isn't crafty, but she has also said the kids like to do a lot of projects now, so she obviously is providing them with crafty activities, whether she is crafty or not.
Kate seems to be held to a higher standard than the rest of the world. Life goes on. Things change.
Quiltart: Thats not the only thing Kate has "lied" about. She takes credit for MB, bathing the children, being a SAHM and really the list goes on and on.
--TheMrs. I haven't seen the "700 Club" interview. Is it available online. I will have to look for it.
-- I'mAppalled said...Beth and Bob, Kevin and Jodi did not make the decision not to be filmed. TLC wanted to pay them for their appearances on the show and someone didn't want them to get paid. But that doesn't mean you shut them out of two of the most stable influences the kids had in their lives. ...................
Let's be very clear - you are simply reporting RUMORS that go back to the Penn Mommy days. Neither you or I know the exact status of their current relationships and I think our posts should stick to the facts, as we - viewers of the show and not 'insiders' - understand them to be. Also, you may think you are being cute and/or snarky referring to Kate as "Katie Irene", but a lot of us just tune out as soon as we seen this type of language because we know you are not interested in honest dialogue. You just want to engage in attacks.
--Sandy, I actually agree with you. The whole totaling of baths, diaper changes, etc. is lame, but it would be good for Kate to take the opportunity to mention all the help she has had over the years.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this, but people tend to conveniently forget that Kate was a SAHM for the first four years of the sextuplets' lives...I still don't think that makes her a liar.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this, but people tend to conveniently forget that Kate was a SAHM for the first four years of the sextuplets' lives...Good point Quiltart. And those are the hardest years of children's lives to stay home with them...and she DID have sextuplets. Credit earned, IMO.
I don't get the "Katie Irene" thing. Yeah, she has a middle name and doesn't go by her official name of "Katie." Is calling her by her full name supposed to be funny? My husband's name is Anthony and he goes by Tony. Is it funny if I call him Anthony? Someone please enlighten me. I so don't get the humor. When someone calls her "Katie Irene," I won't tell you the mental image I immediately get of that person. But some of you I'm sure can imagine.
When I was in grade school, people used to think it was funny to call my classmate (his name was Rich) by "Dick." This is what the "Katie Irene" thing reminds me of. Childhood idiocy and bullying. You can't think of anything better to make fun of, so you pick on the easy things. To those who call her by Katie Irene, trust me when I say using your brain is underrated and I highly suggest trying it.
--Sandy, I actually agree with you. The whole totaling of baths, diaper changes, etc. is lame, but it would be good for Kate to take the opportunity to mention all the help she has had over the years.
Hey, Rachel Ray is the one who threw the numbers out there, not me.
Sandy, no I understand you were just quoting the numbers that Rachel threw out.
I have seen this done before - quoting the number of diapers, etc. with other moms of multiples. My brain just doesn't process anything math-related very well. LOL. Besides, it doesn't need to be put in mathematical terms - I think we all already "get" that taking care of multiples is a challenge.
I was just agreeing with you that it wouldn't be a bad moment for Kate to step in and acknowledge the help she had.
Quiltart said... Once again, it is a matter of perception. I do not consider it a "lie" when Kate does something that is in contrast to a statement she made three years ago. She has said she isn't crafty, but she has also said the kids like to do a lot of projects now, so she obviously is providing them with crafty activities, whether she is crafty or not.
Kate seems to be held to a higher standard than the rest of the world. Life goes on. Things change.
May 12, 2009 10:03 AM Right on Quiltart. It's called growing up, moving on, healthy change. Healthy people live their lives and change happens. I don't know why people can't accept this fact either or that they keep the Gosselins to the very words they said three or four years ago. Change happens. It's healthy when that happens and a healthy (minded person) accepts that change and rolls with it. That's life.
They have said that friends and family (Jon's mom, Bev, some others) do not want to be on camera and thus are not a part of the show.Liza, just because they are not on the show doesn't mean that still can't support the family - after all the people she did mention being close to aren't seen on the show either. I think it's sad that the only people she mentioned are the ones hired by them. Ironic, isn't it?
Let's be very clear - you are simply reporting RUMORS that go back to the Penn Mommy days. Neither you or I know the exact status of their current relationships and I think our posts should stick to the factsAnya - I can understand your point with the Katie Irene comment, but if Kate herself lists the people she is closest to are her manager, PR person and security people, and Jodi herself said in the video that the things Julie was saying was correct (i.e., not being involved anymore in the kids life because Kate had a problem with them being paid), wouldn't they be considered facts?
I'll have to see if I can catch this somewhere. It's interesting to have Kate on Rachel Ray considering the similarities between the two - Ray has been a frequent target for tabloids, especially over the alleged cheating of her spouse. And I've been aware for a while (mostly through reading Bitter But Brilliant) that Ray has her own "haters" who are every bit as vociferous and irrational as Kate Gosselin's. I wonder if it's some of the same women? Maybe they got tired of hating Rachael Ray and decided to hate Kate Gosselin instead.
AAP- Its funny how we all read things differently. I read Kate's comments to be that she was specifically addressing the rumors that she is having an affair with her body guard- and that when she mentioned the paparazzi camped out at friend's homes that she just meant friends in general, not people that work for the family.
Quiltart - While I agree with your statement that no one deserves the harassment that Jon and Kate are receiving, they are getting paid a lot of money to deal with it. And the vicious rumors and blogs were already around when they signed the contract for seasons 4 and 5, so while I do have some sympathy for them, it's not a whole lot.
There are regular people who get tore apart and harassed all the time for the stuff they post on the internet, and unfortunately there is really nothing you can do to stop it. These are just normal people who write about their lives in their blogs that some knucklehead takes offense to and decides it's his/her mission in life to let you know how wrong you are. So if anything has come out of this situation, I hope it's watch what you put out in the public realm. You never know what can happen.
I just want to add that the difference between how Kate reacted to the rumors of Jon cheating and the rumors that she is very interesting to me.
Samantha, I was referring to this comment Kate made that specifically refers to Neild - I'm assuming her bodyguard - and that her circle of people close to her are her manager, PR people and Security. If friends and family were part of that circle, I would think they would be included in that statement.
These are people who absolutely love us and want to see us through to the end," Kate says of Neild and his family. "Of course, both of them travel with us at times, and we've spent holidays together, because, in this situation, your circle grows smaller and smaller, and it's very natural to become friends with your manager, your publicist, your security team ... they're the only people you have left.
Right and I was referring to the second half of that People article that in respect to other friends says:
"With few close companions, and her marriage to Jon hitting a rough patch, Kate says she is terrified that this latest round of stories will drive away the friends she and her family have left. "I'm totally panicking, and thinking, 'We are going to lose our last set of friends.' I keep calling them, begging, 'Seriously, I'm so sorry. Don't run away from us.' They keep saying, ‘We're fine, we're fine.' But they have paparazzi in front of their house. It's so upsetting."
Most troubling to her is the realization "we opened our world to this," she says, adding, "but we willingly made a conscious decision to put this out there. Our friends and family did not. I had no idea we would potentially take down the people that we love around us."
I just want to add that the difference between how Kate reacted to the rumors of Jon cheating and the rumors that she is very interesting to me. You raise a valid point. I think its because they've been through so much this past week that this was the final straw- you can only take so much.
I think Kate reacting differently to the rumors about her v. the rumors about Jon is completely understandable. First of all, the rumors about her appear to be based on NOTHING, at this point. Whereas the rumors about Jon are based on some definite unwise behavior on his part. Secondly, I think it's Jon's place to be morally outraged about lies about his behavior (if they are lies). Whether Kate knows that the affair rumors are true, thinks that they might be true, or believes that they aren't true, I don't think it's her place to act outraged about something that she can't claim to have any actual knowledge of. She would just look foolish, IMO.
Samantha - I'm not trying to argue with you, but I'm trying to understand. Doesn't you quote refer to the paparazzi staking out the bodyguard's house? and if so, Kate referring to him (and I am assuming his wife) as their last set of friends, means they really don't have any other friends?
'We are going to lose our last set of friends.' I keep calling them, begging, 'Seriously, I'm so sorry. Don't run away from us.' They keep saying, ‘We're fine, we're fine.' But they have paparazzi in front of their house. It's so upsetting."
Guin - then again, the rumors of Jon cheating when the pictures of him with the coeds in the bar seemed to be based on NOTHING substantial as well.
When those first pictures came out I didn't think Jon was cheating then, and I don't believe that Kate has been cheating with her bodyguard now. But you know, thanks to Jon being a bonehead, it has shown that sometimes RUMOR can have some TRUTH in it.
IMO, Jon needs to man up and defend his wife and his marriage instead of hiding behind the statement that has been read ad nauseum on the Today Show, 700 Club, Larry King and I assume Rachel Ray. He seemed to like being Jon & Kate plus 8 when he was sking in Utah, touring San Diego and Hawaii. He can't have it both ways. Just my humble opinion.
I was referring to the paparazzi being camped out at their friends homes- her quote. I read that quote as being about friends in general- and the earlier quotes about people they work with. My point was just that we all take different things away from these articles, nothing more :)
Samantha - I know you weren't trying to get into an argument with me - I just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't messing with you when I kept asking you for clarification. For me it seems really obvious that Kate is talking about her bodyguard, and after the third time, I finally got what you meant :).
We've been around a few times on so many topics- sometimes its hard to interpret "tone" when it's written. Thanks for hanging in there with me, we don't always agree but that's the beauty of a discussion, thanks for continuing to "discuss" with me :) I often think that among those of us who disagree on Gosselin topics- we probably have a LOT more in common than we think!
Let's put it this way, when I see a comment posted using the terms "Katie Irene" or "KON," I immediately stop reading and skip to the next person's commentary. Those two terms are red flags for the GWoP trolls. They've been using those terms for over a year to refer to Kate and Jon/Kate as a couple.
Let's put it this way, when I see a comment posted using the terms "Katie Irene" or "KON," I immediately stop reading and skip to the next person's commentary. Those two terms are red flags for the GWoP trolls. They've been using those terms for over a year to refer to Kate and Jon/Kate as a couple.I feel the same way when I read "haters" or "just jealous" in someone's post.
Kate on Rachel Ray.
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While I may not like her, I do feel for her. My goodness that has got to suck to be in her position right now!
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20278340,00.html
WOW! Kate talked to People magazine about the new reports that she is cheating on Jon. She is horrified that people would say that. The article says:
"These are people who absolutely love us and want to see us through to the end," Kate says of Neild and his family. "Of course, both of them travel with us at times, and we've spent holidays together, because, in this situation, your circle grows smaller and smaller, and it's very natural to become friends with your manager, your publicist, your security team ... they're the only people you have left. And now they're coming under fire." The whole article is really good-- Kate states that they know they opened themselves up to this kind of exposure by having the show, but not they have friends and family who have paparazzi at their doorsteps which she feels is just out of line. In her words, "It's like saying, 'Thanks for your support, let me sic the paparazzi on you.' It's very very difficult. It leaves us, essentially, alone and friendless. It's terrible."I think this shows a different side of Kate and makes me empathize with her more-- she's right, they as a family opened themselves up to the limelight. They have said that friends and family (Jon's mom, Bev, some others) do not want to be on camera and thus are not a part of the show. Seeing the response Jon's shenanigans has had makes me realize just how stressful it must be to have your family on TV then see the media picking apart those that you know as well.
It's a sad situation, and even if they cancel the show now it will most likely not end for awhile....
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/05/jon-kate-plus-8-production-runs-late.html
Quick story about how production is running late due to everything going on.
While their situation does put them at risk for many things such as alienation an more, there is a remedy, they could stop inviting the world in their lives. It all stems back to thier decsion to go public. It comes with pluses and minuses.
What I hate is that the paps are on the kids, and it will continue to get worse.
This is just sad...... not for Jon and Kate because they knew going in that this could potentially happen and they still chose it..... but for the 8 little kids that have no say in the matter. I know that has been said numerous times here but Im just getting so sick of the media harping on Jon and Kate. I think its time Jon and Kate take their family and try to salvage the little time they have left with their children.
Beth and Bob, Kevin and Jodi did not make the decision not to be filmed. TLC wanted to pay them for their appearances on the show and someone didn't want them to get paid. But that doesn't mean you shut them out of two of the most stable influences the kids had in their lives. It is a very sad, sad situation when the only "friends" in your lives are paid bodyguards and paid PR people. These "Friends" are paid to be in your lives and your innocent children's lives. It doesn't look like Katie Irene's train is going to stop soon and if you are not willing to do the selfless thing then she needs to accept the fact that the paps will never leave them alone as long as you keep up the t.v. show, book tours, talk show appearances, etc. and now teaming w/Wal-Mart..... They would leave you alone if you just went home to Pennsylvania and finally enjoy your dream house and try to make it into your dream home. Kate wants to be a talk show host and nothing or no one is going to stand in her way and that includes 8 little children.
What a load of crap...she says their circle of friends is getting smaller because of the exposure...I am sure if Jon and Kate's friends and relatives were still allowed to be a part of their lives, they would be. Why not have these people in their lives when the cameras aren't rolling?
Why do I think this is just more bs on why those kids have no relatives to spend their birthdays, holidays, etc with. If Kate had not treated everyone so badly they would still be around...
I cannot help but think that every word out of that womans mouth is a lie, anything to keep herself looking good in the public eye...
Leave it to me to be more excited that she's handling herself so well than of any of the speculation & lies. She was really poised and professional on that show. So much more confident than previously. And how exciting that she is designing a new line of kids clothes for Walmart. I wish I was at that show! (lol)
IMHO, yes, the put themselves on TV, but NO this is not part of the deal, No one should have to be stalked both in real life or online. I think Kate is handling herself very well, considering the situation.
The articles that said Kate was cheating on Jon were based on an unfounded rumor... The person they spoke and who is quoted in the articles said "She HEARD that Kate was getting too close to her personal trainer..." This is not responsible reporting and those who think that the G's deserve this treatment are wrong, IMHO. No one deserves to be stalked.
did anyone watch the 700 club interview? she's seems really worn down to me. you can see the stress on her shoulders. did anyone else feel that?
because they knew going in that this could potentially happen and they still chose it.I do not believe that Jon and Kate would have chosen to do this if they knew that one day the scummy paparazzi would be stalking them on a daily basis.
They probably figured that being on TLC would be "safe" and their personal lives wouldn't be under a lot of scrutiny. I am sure they realized that they would be in the public eye, but I really feel they did not envision their current situation.
Unfortunately, with the tireless efforts of some people elsewhere on the internet, they are constantly under a microscope and their lives and the lives of their kids are forever changed, for the worse, because of it.
I am not saying they are to blame for Jon's choices, but I don't think they would be a media spectacle if some people didn't follow their every move and contact every imaginable media outlet.
5monkeys: I do think that they knew going in that things could get crazy. Maybe they didn't when they did the first specials maybe not even season 1, but I think that when they signed on for season 4 and 5 they knew this could happen. They chose to continue knowing the scrutiny they and they children were under so while I do feel bad that they have to deal with this in the publics eye I do think that they chose it.
While they may have been made aware of some of the pitfalls when they decided to do the show, I feel quite certain that they had no idea how venomous and evil some of the hater blogs would be and to what lengths certain online groups and people would go to try to bring them down. This is the part, to me, that does NOT go with the territory.
While Kate looked very pretty on Rachel Ray, I was very dismayed to watch her stand there and take credit for things that she did not do alone, or plain didn't do.
Rachel said Kate:
Has given over 11,000 baths. We all know that baths were Jon's job and Kate has admitted this herself.
Has changed over 30,000 diapers. Again, no credit given to Jon or the many volunteers and babysitters.
Has prepared over 35,000 meals. Seriously? How is that possible?
10 years = 3650 days. x's 3 meals a day = 10,950. And that's if she makes 3 meals a day, every day, for 10 years. There's just no way.
The crafts and ice cream presented as original "Kate" ideas? I've made boats since I was 3 ( starting with Dairy Queen banana split containers ), and most teachers make baggie ice cream with their classes. Hardly original ideas, yet Kate welcomed the applause as if she came up with them.
And the books. Still zero mention that Beth wrote MB.
I just don't understand how someone can stand in public like that and take full credit for things she clearly had help with.
Sandy, that stuff bothers me too. Especially since its not just speculation that she had help she has actually said she has had help, but then turns around and claims it all for herself? I dunno it just seems kinda cheap IMO.
This is the part, to me, that does NOT go with the territory-
Quiltart, I understand what you are saying, but there as many non-fans as fans that find the inconsistencies, lies, demeaning behavior on and on, very distasteful. So in my opinion, they, the Gosselin's have opened themselves up to just as much support as they have scrutiny.
I certainly don't blame even the meanest blogs for attempting to uncover untruths and blatant lies. (there are some blogs that are just hate, but I don't blame them for Jon and Kate's problems) Just today on RR, Kate is now claiming to be crafty while we all have seen her state that she doesn't like to do crafts, isn't creative, doesn't bake etc...I think it is certainly reasonalbe to question such turnabouts, or lies, or whatever people want to call them.
Sandy, I too get irked when those statistics are shown when we have been told by Jon and Kate that Jon does the baths.
Once again, it is a matter of perception. I do not consider it a "lie" when Kate does something that is in contrast to a statement she made three years ago. She has said she isn't crafty, but she has also said the kids like to do a lot of projects now, so she obviously is providing them with crafty activities, whether she is crafty or not.
Kate seems to be held to a higher standard than the rest of the world. Life goes on. Things change.
Quiltart: Thats not the only thing Kate has "lied" about. She takes credit for MB, bathing the children, being a SAHM and really the list goes on and on.
--TheMrs. I haven't seen the "700 Club" interview. Is it available online. I will have to look for it.
-- I'mAppalled said...Beth and Bob, Kevin and Jodi did not make the decision not to be filmed. TLC wanted to pay them for their appearances on the show and someone didn't want them to get paid. But that doesn't mean you shut them out of two of the most stable influences the kids had in their lives. ...................
Let's be very clear - you are simply reporting RUMORS that go back to the Penn Mommy days. Neither you or I know the exact status of their current relationships and I think our posts should stick to the facts, as we - viewers of the show and not 'insiders' - understand them to be. Also, you may think you are being cute and/or snarky referring to Kate as "Katie Irene", but a lot of us just tune out as soon as we seen this type of language because we know you are not interested in honest dialogue. You just want to engage in attacks.
--Sandy, I actually agree with you. The whole totaling of baths, diaper changes, etc. is lame, but it would be good for Kate to take the opportunity to mention all the help she has had over the years.
--Quiltart and 5Monkeys: nicely said IMO.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this, but people tend to conveniently forget that Kate was a SAHM for the first four years of the sextuplets' lives...I still don't think that makes her a liar.
I'm not going to get into an argument about this, but people tend to conveniently forget that Kate was a SAHM for the first four years of the sextuplets' lives...Good point Quiltart.
And those are the hardest years of children's lives to stay home with them...and she DID have sextuplets. Credit earned, IMO.
the 700 club interview is on the CBN website, CBN.com.
Im not saying she doesn't deserve credit, only that she shouldn't claim anymore that she is a SAHM, because she isn't.
I don't get the "Katie Irene" thing. Yeah, she has a middle name and doesn't go by her official name of "Katie." Is calling her by her full name supposed to be funny? My husband's name is Anthony and he goes by Tony. Is it funny if I call him Anthony? Someone please enlighten me. I so don't get the humor. When someone calls her "Katie Irene," I won't tell you the mental image I immediately get of that person. But some of you I'm sure can imagine.
When I was in grade school, people used to think it was funny to call my classmate (his name was Rich) by "Dick." This is what the "Katie Irene" thing reminds me of. Childhood idiocy and bullying. You can't think of anything better to make fun of, so you pick on the easy things. To those who call her by Katie Irene, trust me when I say using your brain is underrated and I highly suggest trying it.
I don't get the whole "Katie Irene" thing either..... it just sounds snarky and rude to me.
I don't care for Katie Irene anymore than I care for Kon or all the other ridiculous names people have made for them!
Anya said...
--Sandy, I actually agree with you. The whole totaling of baths, diaper changes, etc. is lame, but it would be good for Kate to take the opportunity to mention all the help she has had over the years.
Hey, Rachel Ray is the one who threw the numbers out there, not me.
Sandy, no I understand you were just quoting the numbers that Rachel threw out.
I have seen this done before - quoting the number of diapers, etc. with other moms of multiples. My brain just doesn't process anything math-related very well. LOL. Besides, it doesn't need to be put in mathematical terms - I think we all already "get" that taking care of multiples is a challenge.
I was just agreeing with you that it wouldn't be a bad moment for Kate to step in and acknowledge the help she had.
Quiltart said...
Once again, it is a matter of perception. I do not consider it a "lie" when Kate does something that is in contrast to a statement she made three years ago. She has said she isn't crafty, but she has also said the kids like to do a lot of projects now, so she obviously is providing them with crafty activities, whether she is crafty or not.
Kate seems to be held to a higher standard than the rest of the world. Life goes on. Things change.
May 12, 2009 10:03 AM Right on Quiltart. It's called growing up, moving on, healthy change. Healthy people live their lives and change happens. I don't know why people can't accept this fact either or that they keep the Gosselins to the very words they said three or four years ago. Change happens. It's healthy when that happens and a healthy (minded person) accepts that change and rolls with it. That's life.
Jacelynn said...
I don't get the whole "Katie Irene" thing either..... it just sounds snarky and rude to me.
May 12, 2009 11:15 AM
Illinois Mom said...
I don't care for Katie Irene anymore than I care for Kon or all the other ridiculous names people have made for them!
May 12, 2009 11:35 AM
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I agree ladies. Just shows the immaturity of those people. When they use these names, most often it is in posts intended to hurt.
They have said that friends and family (Jon's mom, Bev, some others) do not want to be on camera and thus are not a part of the show.Liza, just because they are not on the show doesn't mean that still can't support the family - after all the people she did mention being close to aren't seen on the show either. I think it's sad that the only people she mentioned are the ones hired by them. Ironic, isn't it?
Let's be very clear - you are simply reporting RUMORS that go back to the Penn Mommy days. Neither you or I know the exact status of their current relationships and I think our posts should stick to the factsAnya - I can understand your point with the Katie Irene comment, but if Kate herself lists the people she is closest to are her manager, PR person and security people, and Jodi herself said in the video that the things Julie was saying was correct (i.e., not being involved anymore in the kids life because Kate had a problem with them being paid), wouldn't they be considered facts?
I'll have to see if I can catch this somewhere. It's interesting to have Kate on Rachel Ray considering the similarities between the two - Ray has been a frequent target for tabloids, especially over the alleged cheating of her spouse. And I've been aware for a while (mostly through reading Bitter But Brilliant) that Ray has her own "haters" who are every bit as vociferous and irrational as Kate Gosselin's. I wonder if it's some of the same women? Maybe they got tired of hating Rachael Ray and decided to hate Kate Gosselin instead.
AAP-
Its funny how we all read things differently. I read Kate's comments to be that she was specifically addressing the rumors that she is having an affair with her body guard- and that when she mentioned the paparazzi camped out at friend's homes that she just meant friends in general, not people that work for the family.
Quiltart - While I agree with your statement that no one deserves the harassment that Jon and Kate are receiving, they are getting paid a lot of money to deal with it. And the vicious rumors and blogs were already around when they signed the contract for seasons 4 and 5, so while I do have some sympathy for them, it's not a whole lot.
There are regular people who get tore apart and harassed all the time for the stuff they post on the internet, and unfortunately there is really nothing you can do to stop it. These are just normal people who write about their lives in their blogs that some knucklehead takes offense to and decides it's his/her mission in life to let you know how wrong you are. So if anything has come out of this situation, I hope it's watch what you put out in the public realm. You never know what can happen.
I just want to add that the difference between how Kate reacted to the rumors of Jon cheating and the rumors that she is very interesting to me.
Samantha, I was referring to this comment Kate made that specifically refers to Neild - I'm assuming her bodyguard - and that her circle of people close to her are her manager, PR people and Security. If friends and family were part of that circle, I would think they would be included in that statement.
These are people who absolutely love us and want to see us through to the end," Kate says of Neild and his family. "Of course, both of them travel with us at times, and we've spent holidays together, because, in this situation, your circle grows smaller and smaller, and it's very natural to become friends with your manager, your publicist, your security team ... they're the only people you have left.
Right and I was referring to the second half of that People article that in respect to other friends says:
"With few close companions, and her marriage to Jon hitting a rough patch, Kate says she is terrified that this latest round of stories will drive away the friends she and her family have left. "I'm totally panicking, and thinking, 'We are going to lose our last set of friends.' I keep calling them, begging, 'Seriously, I'm so sorry. Don't run away from us.' They keep saying, ‘We're fine, we're fine.' But they have paparazzi in front of their house. It's so upsetting."
Most troubling to her is the realization "we opened our world to this," she says, adding, "but we willingly made a conscious decision to put this out there. Our friends and family did not. I had no idea we would potentially take down the people that we love around us."
I just want to add that the difference between how Kate reacted to the rumors of Jon cheating and the rumors that she is very interesting to me.
You raise a valid point. I think its because they've been through so much this past week that this was the final straw- you can only take so much.
I think Kate reacting differently to the rumors about her v. the rumors about Jon is completely understandable. First of all, the rumors about her appear to be based on NOTHING, at this point. Whereas the rumors about Jon are based on some definite unwise behavior on his part. Secondly, I think it's Jon's place to be morally outraged about lies about his behavior (if they are lies). Whether Kate knows that the affair rumors are true, thinks that they might be true, or believes that they aren't true, I don't think it's her place to act outraged about something that she can't claim to have any actual knowledge of. She would just look foolish, IMO.
Samantha - I'm not trying to argue with you, but I'm trying to understand. Doesn't you quote refer to the paparazzi staking out the bodyguard's house? and if so, Kate referring to him (and I am assuming his wife) as their last set of friends, means they really don't have any other friends?
'We are going to lose our last set of friends.' I keep calling them, begging, 'Seriously, I'm so sorry. Don't run away from us.' They keep saying, ‘We're fine, we're fine.' But they have paparazzi in front of their house. It's so upsetting."
Guin - then again, the rumors of Jon cheating when the pictures of him with the coeds in the bar seemed to be based on NOTHING substantial as well.
When those first pictures came out I didn't think Jon was cheating then, and I don't believe that Kate has been cheating with her bodyguard now. But you know, thanks to Jon being a bonehead, it has shown that sometimes RUMOR can have some TRUTH in it.
IMO, Jon needs to man up and defend his wife and his marriage instead of hiding behind the statement that has been read ad nauseum on the Today Show, 700 Club, Larry King and I assume Rachel Ray. He seemed to like being Jon & Kate plus 8 when he was sking in Utah, touring San Diego and Hawaii. He can't have it both ways. Just my humble opinion.
AAP- I know you aren't, I'm not either :)
I was referring to the paparazzi being camped out at their friends homes- her quote. I read that quote as being about friends in general- and the earlier quotes about people they work with. My point was just that we all take different things away from these articles, nothing more :)
Samantha - I know you weren't trying to get into an argument with me - I just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't messing with you when I kept asking you for clarification. For me it seems really obvious that Kate is talking about her bodyguard, and after the third time, I finally got what you meant :).
AAP-
We've been around a few times on so many topics- sometimes its hard to interpret "tone" when it's written. Thanks for hanging in there with me, we don't always agree but that's the beauty of a discussion, thanks for continuing to "discuss" with me :) I often think that among those of us who disagree on Gosselin topics- we probably have a LOT more in common than we think!
Let's put it this way, when I see a comment posted using the terms "Katie Irene" or "KON," I immediately stop reading and skip to the next person's commentary. Those two terms are red flags for the GWoP trolls. They've been using those terms for over a year to refer to Kate and Jon/Kate as a couple.
Let's put it this way, when I see a comment posted using the terms "Katie Irene" or "KON," I immediately stop reading and skip to the next person's commentary. Those two terms are red flags for the GWoP trolls. They've been using those terms for over a year to refer to Kate and Jon/Kate as a couple.I feel the same way when I read "haters" or "just jealous" in someone's post.
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