Yes, that day has FINALLY arrived as well. The Gosselins have updated their website. Many of us say "It's about time!!!!" Some things to check out...the Q & A section. The questions about the "private chef" and "hidden cameras" are answered. And notice that there is no longer a mention of the kids needing college funds.
I guess now that the Gosselin website has been updated, makes me think about the timing of the Peterson article....
The Official Gosselin Website
90 comments:
I found the family question interesting. They said something like "they don't understand the show". I think that's just fueling the fires :-)
Really? Fueling the fires? No, fueling the fires would be "Jodi's a liar" or "we've been persecuted by family." Now, I know you are going to nit pick every line but I think her answer to this shows that, if nothing else, the Gosselins are showing more class. They could have gone in a lot of different directions.
Actually, it doesn't even really place blame...it just states "they don't understand...and we don't understand" kind of says "we agree to disagree"
My inner cynic says "SPIN CONTROL!A book coming out, negative stories abound, must make more effort to come across as "normal family" under abnormal circumstances! All the recent trips have been more fodder for their publicity schemes - just look at the shared pictures!"
My inner kind, gentle, accepting and loving self says, "Meh. About time they updated. Nothing all that amazing to see. Wonder how they'll describe the kids?"
Spin control I do find that interesting. I know I have heard over and over again how horrible their website was and how it needs updating.
Yeah, I mean, of course some of it is spin....but that doesn't mean that it isn't valid. I knew that some of the accusations were wild exaggerations. With everything there is a kernel of truth that gets twisted to some God forsaken scandal. Kate does not have a personal organic chef that came to her home every day. Film productions always have food provided for the cast and crew. So, yes, they have food professionally prepared when filming. There is your scandal.
I resent that certain inside informants allow the speculation to go on and add to it "yeah, one time they brought us left-overs." That's "spin" too. And dishonest spin that perpetuates a lie.
I see it as kind of fueling the fires because if they really wanted to let it die and not "address" it, they wouldn't include that question at all in their Q&A. It's their website, they have full control over what is up there. I see it as their passive-aggressive way of saying "back at ya" without being blatant like the other side is doing. Just my opinion...
And if it wasn't included, everyone would jump ALL over that and say how they blatantly left that out of their Q & A section which is further proof of truth for Jodi and Julie. They are in a no-win situation.
I honestly didn't even think of the Aunt Jodi/Julie situation when I read that question. I more thought about the grandparents and siblings in general.
I explained about the "personal" chef a long time ago to a group and of course I was way wrong in my thinking. I can totally see how it is needed on filming days and I would do the same. Not a big deal in my mind. There is always an explanation. The comments about J&K are ridiculous some places, people read way more into the show and the 5 seconds of these peoples actions than intended.
Now, I don't read the Bible at all. I wouldn't know a Bible verse if it hit me in the head, but in their "Devotional" section, I find it INTERESTING that this is the first one they picked to post. Gee. I wonder who they're talking about. Snicker.
Romans 12:21 NIV Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
"Right now, there are so many opportunities for us to repay evil with evil but we refuse. And it hasn't been easy to keep our mouths shut, but it's what God is asking us to do. Continue to overcome evil with good. Things like love, prayers, and kindness instead of retaliation and exposure."
Heh-heh-heh. Yeah, subtle, Kate!
I do like the layout and look of the website. It's quite nice.
yeah...and as time goes on Julie and Jodi's crap will be exposed for what it is. The proof is in the pudding. The fact is that she "confirms" and allows things to be spoken about the Gosselins that are UNTRUE or exaggerated to advance the hatred for Kate and make her sister look good. People who can actually think can see this.
The Paul Peterson issue is separate in my mind. I think questions about the stress of filming SHOULD be answered...but you'll never convince me that Jodi wasn't upset, at least partly, over money. Both she and Julie have an ax to grind and it's so obvious and so tacky.
Well, that's is a huge improvement.
I hope the "Kids Corner" doesn't stay in perpetual construction.
I only looked at a few of the encouraging words section, but I liked the viewer who wrote that she was a "21 year old, tattooed, feminist punk." Shows their audience is quite diverse - eh?
I liked that I was right from the start about the personal chef. It just seemed the logical explanation all along.
Funny,
Wasn't there someone who posted anonymously last week who said GWoP predicted what we would say about Jodi's video. Well, I could have "predicted" that GWoP would call every statement damage control.
Seems to be the flavor the overall consensus over there.
Sorry, but I agree with those who believe a lot of the new website is damage control.
Regarding the organic chef: ok, organic meals are delivered on filming days? There are said to be 3-4 filming days per week. That's a lot of organic meals, for sure. However, I doubt if J&K are paying for the food out of the kids' college funds, so why should it matter where they get their food. Figure8 Films likely foots the bill.
BTW, the explanation of the personal chef sounds legitimate to me.
If they have the tv crew there the need would exist for someone to feed these people.
You'll not see the people at GwoP make mention of this again ... to say "Hey we were wrong."
I still make my plea ...
"What happened to the person who lives nearby that was so awful to make her go on this journey?"
nomoredrama said...
And if it wasn't included, everyone would jump ALL over that and say how they blatantly left that out of their Q & A section which is further proof of truth for Jodi and Julie. They are in a no-win situation.
I completely agree. I used to think that the fact that they kept quiet made them look a little guilty, but now I see that if they speak out, it would be twisted the way most other things have been and would backfire.
I like that she makes references to the family not "understanding" and the whole verse about overcoming evil with good. She's acknowledging it, but that's it. I'm sure its very hard not to defend yourself and your family against the accusations, but in the end I think she's doing what's best for the them and trying not to put more fuel on the fire.
Hmmmm...Paul Peterson has spoken? Sorry but I don't see it as the "official word" on anything. Not like it is Moses parting the sea!
Re the food issue. Whose business is it? Are we paying for their food? If someone doesn't like the food arrangement they can protest by no longer watching the show thereby not enabling the producers or the family. Sounds elementary to me.
As for damage control I completely disagree that their website is doing that. If websites can sprout up that are nothing but ugliness hiding behind the guise of concern and compassion for children, then why can't the Gosselin family have a website and write what they please? Julie and what's her name do! Tit for tat. Sounds fair to me.
J&K updated their site? Good on them--it needed it.
I find it to be very mature on J&K's part that they refuse to make public their family grievances with the internet community. If Kate chooses to shoot a few vague barbs (if that was her intent) toward some family members, well, I can't say I blame her. If in her shoes, I would be a great deal less subtle.
GWoP screamed "damage control"? Please...come up with something new to say.
Well, "something new to say" has now reached an all time low, IMO.
A few of the bloggers are actually discussing where the push pins(?) are placed on the kid's pics. Seems they believe the placement of the pins ACTUALLY has something to do with favortism. OMG, how ridiculous is THAT!
I just have to say a huge THANK YOU for this blog. It's so nice to read sensible, coherent posts. It's also really nice to not have to wade through a billion posts every time.
I love how we can agree, or disagree, and it's all OK!
Jon and Kate need to make some changes. I am hoping that this is a sign that they are beginning to see the need for a few changes in their life. I still love the show, though. I can't resist those kids.
I agree, Anon 7:55 about not being able to resist the kids! They are precious (all of them)
Yes, thanks for this place Nina :) I love it here!
Question: It's hard to know if something new has been posted unless I keep track of the number of responses...does that make sense? Maybe there is something I haven't figured out yet, LOL!
Hello Jax,
Unfortunately that is the way this type of blog is set up and there is no way of numbering or editing the comments. I usually go to the bottom of the comment section and work my way back up until I recognize a previous comment. As someone noted above, we do not get a billion posts so you usually just kind of surf around. Anyone else have any ideas or suggestions ?
jax said...
Well, "something new to say" has now reached an all time low, IMO.
A few of the bloggers are actually discussing where the push pins(?) are placed on the kid's pics. Seems they believe the placement of the pins ACTUALLY has something to do with favortism. OMG, how ridiculous is THAT!
Thanks for sharing! I love to hear about the newest ludicrous statement being made over there without having to wade through some of the uglier posts.
That is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. This website clearly has a professional developer (hint: not Jon) and I am sure said developer has no freakin clue that one or more the 'tups is the supposed "favorite."
Thanks for the biggest laugh I have had today...!
Yeah, I think the tack thing is the second most ridiculous thing I heard all day. The first would be the speculation that the boys have dissociative identity disorder at 4 years old.
What interests me is the fact that all the "wonderful Kate" emails have taken priority over the "Kids' Corner" part that remains under construction. I imagine there are many who, like me, would much rather see more of the photos, etc. of the kids.
jax said...
Well, "something new to say" has now reached an all time low, IMO.
A few of the bloggers are actually discussing where the push pins(?) are placed on the kid's pics. Seems they believe the placement of the pins ACTUALLY has something to do with favortism. OMG, how ridiculous is THAT!
Wow, these people are insane, if they hate the show so much why do they watch it and obsess over everything Gosselin? I'll admit there are things I shake my head at on the show, but I genuinely think they are a great family. I think Kate keeps her household running very smooth. The people that nit pick so much obviously are dissatisfied by their own lives.
Speaking of ridiculous statements, I read on the princess board that the GWOPers were screaming about the crab fisherman (they must watch Deadliest Catch) and Kates disregard for them by the way she was eating the crab. I refuse to open GWOP so I was hoping that someone would tell me if that was really true. If so, how can these people possibly believe anyone would ever take them seriously? They have more nuts over there than any Planters factory.
That's the million dollar question Sara! Ive asked multiple times - Who in their right mind wastes so much time/energy on something they abhor? They must actually secretly love the show and want it to stay on, otherwise they would never add to the huge ratings the show gets for TLC.
Anon 6:54
They do actually love the drama. If the show ended tomorrow, they might have a day of celebration but after a day they would become a very depressed group of people. Of course, they would probably just find another show so that they could keep their craziness going that they have become so addicted to. And I doubt very much that they would leave the family alone even if they decided to stop the show tomorrow.
The GWOPers keep watching the show because they care about the children. It says that on the opening page of the site.
What concerned me was the comment that..."Our life is our show and our show is our life." What happens to your life when the show ends??
anon 7:20
I do not believe everything I read, and I certainly do not believe that those people care about those children. Jon and Kate definitely are guilty of placing this family in the public eye. Two wrongs do not make a right in my eyes. Miss Serena could have went about this a different way than creating the circus that has become their blog. She is the ringmaster and she is loving every minute of it. And all of her puppets are dancing on her strings.
GWOP is beyond hateful, snarky and ridiculous. They have shrouded their jealousy in a veil of "concern". Beyond that I do believe that Kate has issues getting along with others (HELLO,now there are no family members involved in the show) and suffers from some level of Narcissistic Personality Disorder which causes me to wonder what her own childhood was like??
Aprili,
I agree with you about Kate having issues.She does seem to have a real hard time getting along with others. I enjoy watching the show. But Kate is hard to take at times. The last couple of shows she has seemed to relax more. She also gets a lot of grief from people now over the littlest of things.
Anon 8:09,
I know! The picking apart all the little things drives me crazy and it does make me feel for them.....
Anon 7:20
I felt the same way about that other board in the beginning. However, everytime I asked an important question regarding the children's well being, it was not published. If you scroll back, you can also see a few of my letters to their board administrators with suggestions on how to get their bloggers on board with writing constructive letters to those who can make a difference, again ignored.
In a way, I believe they want to be in the spotlight themselves. And, based on the new editorial on the Paul Peterson website, they will try to take the credit for that as well.
If the questions and concerns were fair on that site, I wouldn't have such an issue with them. Now the awful things written about the children? It is obvious to me that most of the contributors over there are "haters" attempting to disguise themselves as child advocates.
There are some who recently wrote about all the misspelled words on the G's new website - well, they (other site) can't even spell the word cancelled correctly.
Airing dirty laundry about people's personal lives is a dirty business. Regardless of what really happened to Aunt J, that blog and especially that video are a cry for attention. And, in my opinion, a cry for 15 minutes of fame.
Absolutely no one was thinking about the children when they "came forward" on that one.
My question that I have posed over and over again, is this:
If you care about the children, why would you write horrible things about them and their family and/or air dirty laundry online - even if (big if) it were all true?
This question seems to be one that no one "over there" wants to address. THAT in itself makes me wonder about what their intentions really are.
Okay, I'm off my soapbox now.
I think that nomoredrama mentioned this earlier.
And I don't like to get into diagnosing people, but I have been around highly anxious people who remind me of Kate.
The person that I am thinking of is much much older but had alot of the same personality quirks. She has an obsession with cleanliness, an obsession with order and organization, not to mention critical, and of course very controlling.
What is most obvious is her high need for control. She controls her husband, her kids, her home, but the underlying issue is her anxiousness.
In a way, it is sad. People like Kate and the lady that I am thinking about elicit alot of bad feelings from people because of their controlling personalities, but what is underlying it is a sense of anxiety and fear.
momofone:
You wrote:
If you care about the children, why would you write horrible things about them and their family and/or air dirty laundry online - even if (big if) it were all true?
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I basically wrote that over and over again to the moderators of GwoP. Really, how can GwoP claim to care so much about the kids while you publish posts that are so vile and derogatory about them?
And then a dear and charming moderator from their blog came over to inform me that I was probably in the top 2 of rejected commenters and the #1 laughing stock!
momofone? Is there a possibility that you were in my great company? I'd consider it an honor!
Thanks for answering my question about viewing the most recent posts, Nina.
At the risk of repeating myself, I really appreciate this place! It's great to come to a site where all opinions are discussed intelligently and no one is called names. The mindset that anyone who dares say anything positive about this family is labeled a sheeple, ignorant and uneducated is IMO, ridiculous to say the least.
Good post, momofone! Agree with what you wrote 1000%!
amyf said...
"What interests me is the fact that all the "wonderful Kate" emails have taken priority over the "Kids' Corner" part that remains under construction. I imagine there are many who, like me, would much rather see more of the photos, etc. of the kids."
I agree. The only explanation that comes to mind is that they already had all the "wonderful Kate" emails and they just had to paste them in. There will be more work involved (if it's done well) in creating a section for each child.
Some have speculated that the new website launch may have been pushed up to counteract some of the negative things that have been written about them recently and possibly the Peterson thing? I don't know, but I do think the website is nicely done and I look forward to seeing the Kid's Corner soon.
I saw the website yesterday and thought it was user friendly and probably what it should be. A place for their fans to go.
I left a comment at gwop last night asking if they thought Mr. Peterson may have been referring to the internet blogs that are overly invested in this family, and, of course, it never saw print.
I think if you are going to "advocate" for these kids, you have to look at ALL the dangers to them, including the one you've created. If they don't feel they are doing anything wrong, why would gwop take offense to my comment?
Oh, and I particularly love the "gameshow" feel of the "comment of the week" section. Nothing says concern for the children like poking a little fun at the family's expense. The winners must be so proud.
Linda - would love to be in your "banned from that other site" club! ;-)
I know I'm being silly because I am a writer and misspell things often, BUT even those who are sounding off on the misspells on the G's site, misspelled the word misspelled! Am I the only dorky one who thinks that is funny?
As far as anxiousness goes - you know, we all have our issues. I'm a neat freak when it comes to some items and a slob with others. I can be quite anxious at times and quite relaxed at other times.
My guess would be anyone with that many children under the age of 8 could become more anxious. Also, I think having cameras on me would make me feel more anxious. Again, I don't believe everything I see - especially with reality tv because of the post-production.
Non of us our perfect and I think J&K admit that.
People complain they exploit their children,
-yet complain that they are sick of seeing episodes around J&K
-yet it's okay for Aunt J to profit off of them
Talk about talking out of both sides of the mouth. I just don't get some folks.
On a completely different note, I wish there was a way I could address some comments I see in other places directly with those who have written them, but I know my question or challenge would never get posted. Oh well.
Later gators,
One of the things that gets me about GWOP is how much "power" they think they have. I read Peterson's blog and felt that he was directly telling Jon and Kate that they needed to be wary of the "fans" of the show.
It seems that the only place the Gosselins are criticized is on the internet. That doesn't make some of the criticisms less valid, but I do think that the Anti-Gosselin feeling that GWOP thinks is so prevalent, just isn't.
My feelings too anon. That "power" goes along with befriending Julie and the other "inside sources." Quite frankly, it's really ridiculous.
I would love for Paul Peterson to speak out about how the written word can harm children. Ha, that would be a good one, wouldn't it?
Honestly, think about how cruel kids can be nowadays. Now imagine children of "hater" parents who attend school with C & M. Children don't need to deal with that kind of stuff.
Also, I know it's been discussed before, but think of the Meghan Meier cyberharassment crime. This literally hit close to home for me. Those over on that other site who claim to be child advocates are no better than Lori Drew, the mother who wrote the cruel messages to Meghan.
I'm curious to know how many of those "other" posters are actually parents. If so, then they are absolutely in the same category as Lori Drew.
I firmly believe that those awful things will come back to bite some of those where the sun don't shine.
Boy, I'm riled up today.
And I don't like to get into diagnosing people, but I have been around highly anxious people who remind me of Kate.
Linda, you are right; there are many people who have the same personality type as Kate. I find it a bit abrasive, but there isn't anything terribly unusual about Kate's personality. My own mom had many of Kate's ways, although she became less "over the top" as us kids grew and Mom became older and wiser. Kate may mellow out too.
Okay, I admit it. I am an RN and I do enjoy diagnosing people. I am sorry if that is bad but I do think I am looking at the facts and I am not a hater. Kate does not have a relationship with parents or three sisters that we see....Now her only brother and his wife are not in the picture. Jon's mom is not seen. Beth is a new friend since the tups were born. Where has Beth gone? Where are her old friends? Friends form work, school, childhood?? I don't know about you but I smell a pattern. Not being able to maintain close interpersonal relationships is big indicator of NPD. During the most embarrassing moments episode she could not apologize or take any ownership of her bad behavior. She turned it all around and made it Jon's fault. She wants things done her way and believes her ideas are superior.
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html
I believe recognizing patterns in our personalities can help us make improvements and grow... That is truly my hope for her.
aprili,
I have no medical diagnosis for her but I do agree with the things you have pointed out. The embarrassing moments episode was indeed embarrassing. She does seem to have some issues. However, I just don't feel like I know enough about her personally.
Some good points. However, I fail to see how Aunt J (sic) is profitting?
Monetarily?
What concerned me was the comment that..."Our life is our show and our show is our life." What happens to your life when the show ends??
I don't take that statement to mean "the show is our life", as in, it's everything to us. I take it to mean that what is shown on the show is the Gosselins' real life; it's not "scripted". Now, I think some issue could be taken with that what with the various outings that have been filmed recently; there seems to be more of an emphasis on showing the Gosselin kids in different situations, rather than just playing at home, and I think to some degree that is creating a storyline. But I think that's what Kate meant by the statement, and I do think that J&K+8 is a pretty accurate representation of their lives.
Aprili, I think Kate was at her worst in the Embarrassing Moments episode; it was worse for me to watch than the much-discussed "Gumgate" episode. I have seen Kate acknowledge her faults and quirks (often in a humorous way), but in that episode it was painful to watch her try to justify and shift the blame for her behavior.
That said, internet diagnosing is a particular bugaboo of mine, and I don't think it's particularly fair or responsible. I can easily say that I see certain personality traits in Kate, for instance: anxiety, a need to control, a fear of not being perfect...but to slap an actual psychological disorder label on her behavior goes too far, IMO.
I also think too much is made of "no one in the family is on the show". Who knows what the deal is with Jon's mom? There's no evidence that I've heard that it's Kate's fault, anyway, and I wouldn't blame her without any real idea of what's going on there.
As for Kate's family, if you believe Bitter Julie, Kate's father is a control freak who has pretty much alienated his whole family. *If* that is true (and of course I am trying to give Kate's dad the same benefit of the doubt that I wish would be extended to Kate), then it doesn't seem so strange to me that relations between siblings might be strained. If the children had dsyfunctional childhoods, it may be that there is estrangement between various siblings - I mean, I haven't heard anyone say that the whole family gets along, except for Kate. Again, going by Bitter Julie's words, only Kevin even made an attempt to be around his parents. I have no idea, again, if that's true, but it doesn't seem inconsistent with a difficult childhood; I think adults who have lived through those sometimes focus on creating lives for themselves that are separate from anything that would remind them of where they came from.
If the worst that people say is true and Kate has alienated everyone around her, then I still don't think that justifies the hatred or the creepy cyberstalking that is directed at her. I don't have a lot invested in "proving" that Kate Gosselin is a good person. I just find about 99% of the stuff that's thrown out there to prove that she's a bad person (the supposed hit-and-run, the suspiciously similar run-ins that people post about in the "Sightings" section at GWoP) to be unconvincing and not credible.
Hey all -
When did the most embarrassing episode air? Was it recent? I thought I had seen all.
Thank you.
I actually enjoy the misspellings and fragmented sentences on J&K's site, it feels more personal. I hate when you go to a celebrities site and everything is picture perfect and you know it was written for them, I can hear Kate's voice behind her written words.
Guinevere, I don't think K is a bad person. I see much good and good intentions from her. I don't see bad parenting form J&K. I see lots of love and honest parenting. My point is she has personality issues she can work on and it is not too late to repair relationships. She is a nurse and would respond to a diag. in black and white. That is much more concrete for a scientifically minded person than "Everyone who is against us is EVIL" I also understand completely why Kate would not want any friends or family members to profit monetarily from her children but I wonder if she expressed that to Kevin and Jodi in a loving manner?? If her father is like you stated her personality makes even more sense. As to "our show is our life" I respectfully disagree. If you are moving to accommodate production and current family and friends are tossed aside then I believe they are playing a dangerous game. Kate says the crew is like family. When they pack up the cameras and leave one day what support system is left in place for those kids??
The only thing that bothered me about the new site is where they say that they talked to the kids about continuing the show and they want to go on.
I really don't think 4 year olds, and even 7 or 8 at that, are qualified to make life altering decisions like that!
In any case, the new format is nicer and cute, the site change was needed and I like that at least they are acknowledging the twins with saying "the gosselin 10"!
Actually, it doesn't even really place blame...it just states "they don't understand...and we don't understand" kind of says "we agree to disagree"
August 30, 2008 11:21 AM
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How about "repay evil with evil"...has Satan reared it head in the Gosselin home? That phrase was in direct response to Jodi and Julie. It may have been alot of things, but evil? I don't think so. To me that statement was just hypocrital.
They are in a no-win situation.
August 30, 2008 12:35 PM
That is just not true. If Jon and Kate cared about telling the truth and putting rumors to bed, it would be very easy to do.
Have a reporter or mag come to their home and tell the truth! Easy as pie. But they won't do that DRAMA, because they are liars.
Who cares about their website, who cares about the chef, or food services....just get the kids off tv!
Actually, anon,
you are right. I hadn't even read that part of the site when I posted
my initial response.
Yes, that definitely seems like a response to the Jodi/Julie thing.
I don't think they were literally accusing Jodi/Julie of being evil. They were, however, making a strong point that from their faith stance, the bible commands that you not repay wrongs done against you with more wrong doing.
And I'm not sure how it is hypocritical. If there is proof that they are doing "evil" then I'd say, ok...but so far no proof, just a lot of speculation that ends up being fiction.
I think the bottom line is that J&K could retaliate against Jodi. I'm sure there is at least 1 skeleton in Jodi's closet. But they have chosen not to do that. If this is their "retaliation" then I think it's a classy one (IMO). Much classier than Jodi bashing.
Speaking of ridiculous statements, I read on the princess board that the GWOPers were screaming about the crab fisherman (they must watch Deadliest Catch) and Kates disregard for them by the way she was eating the crab. I refuse to open GWOP so I was hoping that someone would tell me if that was really true. If so, how can these people possibly believe anyone would ever take them seriously? They have more nuts over there than any Planters factory.
August 31, 2008 6:13 AM
Maybe you should ask your hate spewing friends who post over there. There are plenty of them who post all 3 places. We know who they are. We have discussed their motives and they are the lowest form of trolls we have seen.
WATCHING THE BLOGS
Apparently you "lurk" there too. So, because you lurk, that makes you better?
I post at Princess Marie and Here...stopped trying to post on GWoP a few weeks ago but do read (is that why you're upset?)
No one here is hiding their dislike of GWoP.
BTW, who is this "we"??
My motives are to get the truth out and help people to see that there is more than one side of the story. By posting challenges to the erroneous statements made as fact.
What else, exactly, could be my motive?
momofone said...
"When did the most embarrassing episode air? Was it recent? I thought I had seen all."
Early July? It was about six or seven weeks ago.
It was a clip show with Jon and Kate commenting from the couch about their favorite and least favorite filmed moments.
The visit to the toy store was discussed - the one where Kate chewed Jon out loudly for some transgression. Kate appeared embarrassed, but basically spent too much time justifying her behavior when a simple mea culpa would have come off much better.
There were a lot of cute moments in the episode, however, including a couple of "favorite" moments for each kid.
I am sure it will be re-run in some upcoming marathon!
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! Great discription of most of you. However, there are a FEW of you who boost your ego by your embellished posting and this gives you some twisted satisfaction. Do you know who you are? Maybe not. But there are some real weirdos on this site.
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The mindset that anyone who dares say anything positive about this family is labeled a sheeple, ignorant and uneducated is IMO, ridiculous to say the least.
I just want to say that we have the same hit and runs as everyone else. I call them hit and runs because we allow the person to post, they stir things up and then they leave. They don't really come here wanting to have a discussion or to contribute. They never use a name - only anon.
This is the first comment I"ve gotten to make since all of this happened. I don't check in for a day and see what I miss!! lol
Anyway, I read here and then over at gwop before posting anything.
Someone said the gosselins are in a no win situation and I totally agree. Anything they say or do is either spin control or they are reading the blogs about them and trying to change because of the bad publicity. I think it seems too many people are WAY too invested in the show and for all the WRONG reasons.
Saying that Kate needs a lobotomy or that the boys might have multiple personalities is just WRONG. Who died and made them the decider?
When I come here I get rational people with different opinions and I don't feel offended reading people's opinions. When I read at the other place I can feel the hate pouring from the words and it sends my BP soaring! I have taken Gwop off of my favorites and I do not plan on returning. I can't take it anymore.
Some people feed off of drama and I believe the mods over there are exploiting those types of people for the benefit of their blog. Sad, sick and wrong but they will continue because they have their own type of sheeple who will follow whatever they say.
I like the new site for the gosselins, I think it is much more appealing to the eye. Do I think that maybe they have gone overboardd with all of the filming and makign the show their "life"? Yes, possibly. Do I think that Mr.Peterson is right in that they have put a target on their kids? Yes, look at how many sites are dedicated to this family and some even claim they are to help the kids. In truth some of those sites are exploiting the kids as well, using the show to further the hatred of J&K, at the childrens expense. I guess they will have to live with that.
Sorry for the rambling but I am sort of fed up with all the drama surrounding this show. I think that drama started with Julie's site and GWoP. I think Jodi gave the drama a new life and I say shame on all of them.
Anon 10:28,
Are you angry that when we pose intelligent questions (like, where is the evidence for a hit and run. Where is the evidence for 25k speaking engagements) and you have no answer, we chalk it up to a lie? Why is that when you don't have an answer to anything, you come in blazing with insults.
Your perception of ignorant, twisted, and pretty much your perception of anything is way off...Maybe you need to step outside of your website and see how rational, logical people think.
Thanks Jenn. My sentiments too.
Nina - I think calling them hit and runs is funny.
nomore - what is princess marie?
Crown Princess Marie Chantal of Greece. It's a huge message board but has a GWoP thread. The purpose of the thread is to vent about the crazy things posted at GWoP. Many, many others post there. Most of them do not also post here.
Here is the link:
http://princessmc.proboards66.com/index.cgi?board=Books&action=display&thread=2545&page=53
There are about 63 pages of posting so it will probably take a while to get through. However, you can see that we're not the only ones not taken in.
Are you angry that when we pose intelligent questions (like, where is the evidence for a hit and run. Where is the evidence for 25k speaking engagements) and you have no answer, we chalk it up to a lie? Why is that when you don't have an answer to anything, you come in blazing with insults.
Your perception of ignorant, twisted, and pretty much your perception of anything is way off...Maybe you need to step outside of your website and see how rational, logical people think.
I think it is rational to question why the Gosselins still misrepresent themselves to the public. It is obvious that they are no long struggling, so why must they still supplement their income with the speaking
engagements?
On the show, the viewers are made to believe that the "special day outs" can only be done "once a year" because Jon and Kate have to save their money to do so.
Hogwash.
Here, a question like that is responded with "you are just jealous" or "the money thing doesn't matter". That is not balanced discussion.
This site may print the majority of its dissenting comments, but I dislike how they are dismissed with basically name calling of ignorance - as if somehow the people that respond regularly have the market on rational thought.
Name calling - I have seen it here. Speculation - I have seen it here as well. Self - Diagnosis - Check. Yet - these are some of things that I have seen the "regulars" vehemently denounce the other site for.
You fault the other site for stating their mission is for the children and accuse them of wanting to ruin the family or bring them down. But - what does that mean? If indeed there is an inkling to what has been posted - what really is the worse that can happen? That they find another means of suppporting their family -other than the filming of their children?
Gloating:
There is a lot of discussion regarding the other board giving themselves credit for Jon and Kate changing their behavior on tv, or contacting a Minor Consideration. I realize that the way Jon and Kate are portrayed cannot be affected by this as these episodes are taped way before the discussions that occur - but don't fault them for thinking whatever they are doing is working. It works for them.
Here there is an attitude of "I am so above it all" yet - when the secret message board was exposed - there was a lot of gloating that the news was broken here and the posters here were responsible for it. There was also a lot of anticipation that the news would "bring the other board down" as well.
Confrimation:
the Jodie video: all this did for me - was confirm that there was some truth to what her sister had posted. Maybe in her own way, Jodi wanted to come to her sister's defense because of the names her sister was being called. I don't know the whole story. I do know that Jodi has confirmed her sister's identity and she has confirmed her sister's version of events.
Now instead of being satisfied that maybe Jon and Kate can be mean or not very nice - Jodi is now the target of being wrong for exposing this.
I have yet to see confirmation of the contents of the secret board. I have yet to see confirmation of the identity of FGF. Yet, I am expected to believe that the content is "so wrong" because it "she said so" and it has been proven to an "extent" to the mods?
Where is the "smoking gun". Was the discussion of this dropped because it was not rational?
Just a few things I have pondered.
Apparently you "lurk" there too. So, because you lurk, that makes you better?
Yes, I do lurk and take in information-rarely post. When I do post, I try and be respectful. That is not the case with you. And if you are a new moderator, I would expect to see things change here.
Princess Marie Chantal for me, has gone past the normal snark. I wonder how people here cannot be offended by what is said and post but still be so aghast at whatever the Super Seekret Board contains. I guess as long as the venom is pointed at the GWoPers it is OK.
Swopes,
You brought up some interesting points. If you don't mind, I'd like to address some of them. And, this is my opinion.
Speaking engagements: If I were inundated with speaking engagements, I'm sure I would have to put some dollar amount on myself. The TV show is bonus money, albeit good money, at this time. Speaking engagements is something that the G's will be asked to do for years to come. Since we don't know where the money is going, I think it is probably pretty difficult to speculate more than what it is. Anyone out there making speeches charge something. Do you think they should do it pro-bono?
Days out: I think many viewers are led to believe the same thing. Who are we to say they don't have other one on one time with each child where it doesn't cost money. What does it show the children if they have lavish days out more than once a year? I think it probably sets a good example to the children.
Name calling: I'd have to go back and see. Honestly, I have seen some sarcastic humor in both places, but outright ornery behavior I have not seen here.
Other site's mission: Tends to lead people to believe it is all about the children. You have to agree with me here. However, when I have asked on numerous occasions for them to address my question about the possibility of the children reading or hearing the things written about their parents (true or false), they won't post it. That is a big 'ol red flag for me personally.
As far as the worse that can happen? The G's will move on and take care of themselves with or without a television show.
Secret message board? I'm sorry, I know you are just bringing it up. But, who broke the news first? Really? Are we in high school? C'mon. When it comes to comments about the G family, I personally believe the posters here take the higher road when it comes to their verbiage.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm sure there is truth in the whole Aunt J saga. I don't doubt that. I think how she went about it was just plain wrong. Again, let's think about C & M reading her sisters blog and seeing that video.
I'm sure J & K can be mean or not so nice. But, what exactly does that mean? Aunt J should get paid because she is nice? And, if she was being paid, that somehow makes her exempt of exploiting the children?
Again, the whole secret board thing and the mysterious fgf I know nothing about so I can't say anything about it.
Swopes,
Take a moment, BREATHE....no one here said that it was wrong to question things like
think it is rational to question why the Gosselins still misrepresent themselves to the public. It is obvious that they are no long struggling, so why must they still supplement their income with the speaking
engagements?
Absolutely those questions need to be ASKED. No one said that it is wrong to ask. Sure, others have said that they aren't concerned about it and they are just as entitled to their lack of concern as you are to your concern. I, personally, would like to know the truth in all of this.
Here, a question like that is responded with "you are just jealous" or "the money thing doesn't matter". That is not balanced discussion.
If there are "you are just jealous" comments here directed at another poster, they are in the minority. I can't even think of one off of the top of my head. Do some people hold the opinion that anti-gosselin people are jealous of J &K, yes. Do they have a right to express that opinion? Yes...in the world, there exists many sides to a discussion and not all sides you or I agree with. Doesn't make those with those views less worthy of having an opinion.
This site may print the majority of its dissenting comments, but I dislike how they are dismissed with basically name calling of ignorance - as if somehow the people that respond regularly have the market on rational thought.
If you are using my comment as a reference point, then it is at least fair to mention that the comment was in response to an anonymous poster who called implied that we were ignorant, uneducated, sheep. I am far from uneducated and ignorant. That statement was a character attack on posters here. Do you think that is a rational way to elicit "balanced" discussion?
Name calling - I have seen it here. Speculation - I have seen it here as well. Self - Diagnosis - Check. Yet - these are some of things that I have seen the "regulars" vehemently denounce the other site for.
Comparing anything that goes on here to what goes on a GWoP is like comparing a rain shower to a hurricane. Can't you see, its not just about what is said? It's about how things are done. Do you also see us stalking GWoP posters? Driving by their homes? Contacting their employers or extended family members? Trying to the get the dirt on their lives to prove a point? POSTING personal information about their posters on a public forum (yes, this HAS been done by GWOP to one of our posters)? This has never and will never be the way this site is operated.
Here there is an attitude of "I am so above it all" yet - when the secret message board was exposed - there was a lot of gloating that the news was broken here and the posters here were responsible for it. There was also a lot of anticipation that the news would "bring the other board down" as well.
The revelation of the secret message board was done in response to FGF being called a liar and many other names by GWoP. When, in fact it was proven that the board exists, yes, we reveled in it. We reveled in it because we had endured an entire day of harassment and name calling by a group of individuals. So, yes, after being barraged with attacks all day, it was a welcome reprieve. It sure made GWoP angry. We spent the rest of that evening and into the next day rejecting trollish comments, including the comments that attempted to reveal personal info. What did they do in response? Posted in on another public, unmoderated forum for all to see. Real classy.
the Jodie video: all this did for me - was confirm that there was some truth to what her sister had posted. Maybe in her own way, Jodi wanted to come to her sister's defense because of the names her sister was being called. I don't know the whole story. I do know that Jodi has confirmed her sister's identity and she has confirmed her sister's version of events.
Now instead of being satisfied that maybe Jon and Kate can be mean or not very nice - Jodi is now the target of being wrong for exposing this.
If Jodi's video was enough confirmation for you then, by all means, you are entitled to that. For me, it was, as you said, confirmation that Jodi agrees with Julie's version of events. Jodi is not a "target." Days before the video came out, someone wrote an entire article about the Jodi situation. There has been discussion and disagreement with Jodi on this site for a long time.
Can you please define target? Has anyone here called Jodi mean names (I don't think "Jodi the Good" or St. Jodi is mean, sorry)? Has anyone commented aggressively on her looks? Again, have we looked up info on Jodi and her family? Have we tried to find the exact location that the video was made? Have we diagnosed Jodi's kids or called them developmentally delayed?
There is a difference between disagreeing with someone's actions (something many of us have always disagreed with) and making them a target.
have yet to see confirmation of the contents of the secret board. I have yet to see confirmation of the identity of FGF. Yet, I am expected to believe that the content is "so wrong" because it "she said so" and it has been proven to an "extent" to the mods?
Where is the "smoking gun". Was the discussion of this dropped because it was not rational?
No, contents of the board will not be confirmed. We're not on a campaign to make people believe us. We're not going to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to divulge what is on the board. You can either believe it or not believe it. The choice is yours. No one is twisting your arm and none of us will lose any sleep if you don't.
We certainly aren't going to BAAA at you. We're not going to visit every site you visit and try to find out what you are commenting where.
It be nice if we were extended the same courtesy but I know that is out of the question.
"We certainly aren't going to BAAA at you. We're not going to visit every site you visit and try to find out what you are commenting where.
It be nice if we were extended the same courtesy but I know that is out of the question."
Who is doing this? The mods over at GWOP?
Do you think they should do it pro-bono?
No, of course not, but I don't think that they should still be misrepresenting themselves by saying there are no college funds or in any other way insinuate that the money is needed.
There are contrary reports that Jon and Kate still claim that there are no funds and ones that say that they don't touch on the subject at all. They have cancelled all the engagements in my state so I don't think I could ever verify for myself.
The Cornerstone Church was directed by their pastor "to be prepared to give a love offering". These days where people can barely afford milk, I thought that is was in poor taste to make a request like that. Jon and Kate obviously have a source of income.
name calling of ignorance
I was thinking more of the use of "keep your blinders on" "stop fooling yourself" and "stop making excuses"
I return to this site because I am trying to find a rational answer that would explain why Jon and Kate would expose to their children to this level of scrutiny other than to make a living. There are other ways to support a family.
If someday their children surf the internet and find all these comments, in my opionion, I would think their first question would be "why did my parents put me in this situation to begin with"?
snopes -
I'm not sure you will ever find a rational answer anywhere on the internet. To be honest, most of the scrutiny are on the internet. Perhaps for the time being they will collect the tv money and then do speaking arrangments.
As far as the children surfing the internet? If they were exposed to any of the online nonsense and read some of what has been written about their parents, they would be extremely hurt. I'm talking about being exposed to this stuff now - not in 10 years. No matter what, these are their parents and I have believe whole-heartedly that they love them dearly.
I think if some folks on other sites would clean up their language a bit and try to say what's on their mind in a constructive way, things would be better.
By the way, I'm officially logged in. momofone wasn't available, but momofone07 was.
Hi I went to a speaking engagement of the Gosselin's and they mentioned about asking the kids how long they will do the show. At the beginning of every season (they only sign contracts per 1 season) they sit down with Mady and Cara and make sure they are still okay with the cameras and the show. If they say yes they sign another...I hope that clears that up :)
Also, I completely agree with the above posters. The statement about the show being their lives really struck a chord with me...maybe I took it wrong, but I don't like anything consuming ones life.
And....Nomoredrama- I think I agree with most of your posts above!
As far as the children surfing the internet? If they were exposed to any of the online nonsense and read some of what has been written about their parents, they would be extremely hurt. I'm talking about being exposed to this stuff now - not in 10 years. No matter what, these are their parents and I have believe whole-heartedly that they love them dearly.
I have to agree with the OP. People would not be commenting good or bad if the parents had not exposed their children in the first place. Of course the children love their parents, so I think it would be fair to say that the children would look to them first. Not to say, to blame - but at the very least question what was so important that their privacy be exposed for the viewing audience to see and comment on - good or bad.
How does their parent's decisions and behavior give anyone permission to do what is being done now? I am just not of that mindframe. We must look at this family as a whole. Always.
How does their parent's decisions and behavior give anyone permission to do what is being done now?
Free speech? What is exactly that you think is being "done"?
I am just not of that mindframe.
Of what mindframe? You being here is a product of free speech and free will. Good or bad - putting yourself out there (meaning Jon and Kate) will attract both. You cannot accept one without the other.
We must look at this family as a whole. Always.
I am confused - so you lump the parents in the with the kids? The kids had no choice in the matter.
I agree that maybe Jodi did not help the situation out by allowing the "secrets" to get out. So who is more at fault if you want to assign blame? The actual behavior or exposing it?
Jenn said...
When I come here I get rational people with different opinions and I don't feel offended reading people's opinions. When I read at the other place I can feel the hate pouring from the words and it sends my BP soaring! I have taken Gwop off of my favorites and I do not plan on returning. I can't take it anymore.
Jenn, well said and this is exactly how I feel. I know some people can go on that site, read the comments and put it in the perspective it deserves, but I can't. Maybe I am just too emotional, but my nerves are shot after spending just a few minutes there.
There is so much hatred and venom posted. Not by all the posters, but at least 75-80%. It's just so ugly and unpleasant.
I am not holding myself up as any paradigm of virtue. Far far from it - my friends and family would agree :)- but there is NOBODY in my life or on a TV show that I hate enough to spend countless hours reading and writing the most vile things about them.
Do you also see us stalking GWoP posters? Driving by their homes? Contacting their employers or extended family members? Trying to the get the dirt on their lives to prove a point? POSTING personal information about their posters on a public forum (yes, this HAS been done by GWOP to one of our posters)?
So someone is trying to the personal information of someone who posts here and post it elsewhere online? Yes, if this is what you are saying it not only wrong, but very creepy. Now, is it one of the GWoP moderators? Because to say it was done by "GWoP" says the mods over there have control over what anyone who posts over there does.
The revelation of the secret message board was done in response to FGF being called a liar and many other names by GWoP.
Is it fair enough to say that Jodi's video was done in response to her sister being called a liar and many other names by some of the people here?
I'm not sure you will ever find a rational answer anywhere on the internet.
With that being said - why must there even be a discussion about what goes on or what is said over there? To each his own. When I disagree with the statement that the discussion here is balanced it's because I have seen comments such as "forget it there's no getting through to you people" agreeing to disagree is at least acknowledging some of the reasoning is valid. Not telling someone to that they are ignorant or blind or to shut up.
My take on Jon and Kate asking the older girls if they would like to continue - I don't believe it. Well, I believe they ask - but I think the girls know what side their parents are on. Look at the evidence in the Fourth of July episode, when the girls were complaining about now being home, for being upset, Kate for the most part dismissed their cries. "Aren't we having fun?" The potential damage of the show is something I think as adults we understand. I don't think you can ask a 7 year old what the negative aspect would be of continuing the show. I am sure if they are asked, the compelling reasons for continuing the show, would more evident to a seven year old. So really what do you think they would choose?
Free speech at any cost? That is just great! To me that is not what free speech is.
When I talk about the family as a whole, I am stating if you care so much about the children why would YOU put them in this position of reading horrible things about their parents on the internet. Yes YOU are doing this. Own up to it. I am sure you have heard this stated before regarding this issue but two wrongs don't make a right.
I am not assigning blame to anyone. I am saying why is any of this our business. Oh I know, because Jon and Kate put themselves out there. If that makes you feel better about your behavior, just keep saying it.
Free speech at any cost? That is just great! To me that is not what free speech is.
I am responding to the comment. I think a lot of times some people think that disention is a reflection of the person commenting.
So I must ask "what cost"? What exactly do you think they are experiencing - other than harsh scrutiny and criticism. Unfortunately, free speech is just that. The KKK, which is now where near arguing about the Gosselins, are allowed to voice their opinions, so there is no difference - free speech is free speech.
I am stating if you care so much about the children why would YOU put them in this position of reading horrible things about their parents on the internet.
No where in my posts did I state an opinion about the children. I have children of my own, I am responsible for them. If my children read something about me, I would think the first person they would go to is me.
Your use of the word "YOU" makes an assumption that I have written something negative - about the kids - no. Regarding there parents, I have stated my opinions, which may have not been flattering, but that is based on what I have seen. Like I said, if you are going to put yourself out there, you must be prepared for the good and the bad.
It's not an unreasonable request.
Own up to it. I am sure you have heard this stated before regarding this issue but two wrongs don't make a right.
Two wrongs don't make a right - but commenting in general, having an interest in general stems from having their lives out there for criticism or praise. In my opinion, you can't have one without the other and you can't blame "them" over "there" for stating their opinion without reserving the same criticism for yourself.
So someone is trying to the personal information of someone who posts here and post it elsewhere online? Yes, if this is what you are saying it not only wrong, but very creepy. Now, is it one of the GWoP moderators? Because to say it was done by "GWoP" says the mods over there have control over what anyone who posts over there does.
Someone isn't trying, someone has. I don't know who and quite frankly, I disagree that it matters (whether a mod was behind it). Its the same as saying if I do something unethical at my job, it doesn't matter because the directors of my agency didn't do it. Or to put it in blog terms, if someone who regularly posts here releases personal info about a regular poster there would you not associate that person with the blog they most frequent? Even more so with GWoP, a site that, as a whole, is very selective about which posters get through on a regular basis. I guarantee if the shoe were on the other foot, it would be "GDNNOP does this"
Is it fair enough to say that Jodi's video was done in response to her sister being called a liar and many other names by some of the people here?
No, I don't think that's necessarily fair to says. I think Jodi put out the video because she wanted to prove that her sister was, in fact, her sister and wanted to confirm Julie's version of events. I have no evidence of this, but I suspect that GWoP and Julie have been in cahoots about this video for a long time. Of course, that is my own speculation and not fact. I certainly don't expect you to take it on as such. Nobody here attacked Julie. Sure, we may have said she was bitter or accused her of backstabbing. That's not an attack, its an opinion. There may have been other blogs that called her names but they aren't us. You will never get me to agree that Jodi "had" to release the video. And I'm sure you could argue the reverse by saying FGF didn't HAVE to release the secret board. The difference? Raking your family over the coals verses putting a few random bloggers on blast.
As far as the comments about blinders, I'll be the first to admit I do argue passionately. Perhaps I shouldn't make such strong statements and, for that, I apologize. I will say, however, that the evidence to support GWoP being a hate blog far outweighs any evidence (or lack there of) of negative doings on the part of the Gosselins. All GWoP has, in my opinion, is a lot of speculation thrown in with some nasty, nasty name calling and ridicule. I don't expect you to see it like I do. But that is how I see it.
Someone isn't trying, someone has
Ok, now I understand - I was trying to figure out what you meant. In general, I am going to disagree with you on that point. If someone that posts over here were doing the same thing - I don't agree that GDNNOP should be pigeonholed. But I can see your point in the sense when someone does something negative - even though their place of employment has nothing to do with it - they may get flack for even being associated. It happens. Is it fair to just say those actions belong to someone who is just crazy - regardless of where they post?
I think Jodi put out the video because she wanted to prove that her sister was,
I agree - but I don't think it's too far off of a speculation that she may have done it as well to vindicate her sister - being called a liar.
and you and I will have to disagree because I think calling her sister backstabbing and bitter is an attack.
But then it would have to mean that things said about Kate would apply as well.
I think that unless anyone else has anything to say - we are at an impasse - which is ok. I am just glad that this chain went smoothly. It can be done without name calling. Feeling passionate is ok to.
Agreed to disagree... :-) But also welcome further (or other) discussion later.
Swopes:
"When I disagree with the statement that the discussion here is balanced it's because I have seen comments such as "forget it there's no getting through to you people" agreeing to disagree is at least acknowledging some of the reasoning is valid."
I agree that some posters deflect opposing opinions in this way, but it does not make the blog as a whole "unbalanced." By "balanced," I think the intent is that all comments would be included on either side of the any issues, not necessarily just the ones with which the moderator agrees.
I also believe that agreeing to disagree is the most mature way to handle an impasse.
Regarding someone posting personal information about a poster from here on GWoP and your comment, "Because to say it was done by "GWoP" says the mods over there have control over what anyone who posts over there does."
The mods DO have control over what is and is not posted, therefore giving tacit approval of what the poster did. I don't believe the moderators here would allow such a post to go through.
BTW, welcome and thanks for posting such logical and well-thought out posts. It is appreciated.
"Because to say it was done by "GWoP" says the mods over there have control over what anyone who posts over there does."
I thought this referred to the compiling of personal information and posting it elsewhere - not on the GWoP Board. Also, I don't know these people, but I cannot fathom the mods encouraging that type of behavior - I would feel the same way if someone who posted here did something questionable and then GDNNOP would be blamed as a whole. - Just my thought.
Anon @ 10:36am
"I thought this referred to the compiling of personal information and posting it elsewhere - not on the GWoP Board."
I may have misunderstood the situation. In the above case, the mods at GWoP are not responsible. I was under the impression that the personal information was posted on the boards at GWoP, in which case, they would be responsible. Sorry!
No, it wasn't posted at GWoP. Actually, the mods at GWoP would never let that go through on their site.
Though I disagree with how they handle moderating comments that are pro-Gosselin, for the most part the public board is a well oiled machine. They'd be quick to remove that even if it didn't get through the first time.
The personal info was posted on an unmoderated board. Anyway, there were GWoP moderators who frequented that particular board so while they didn't (to my knowledge) actually post the info, they knew it was posted there. Contrary to what I thought before, it has been pointed out to me that the post is still there.
So, no, it may not have been put there by a GWoP mod per say, but they are well aware and obviously don't care too much since the info came from their "secret" board.
oh, and for the record, the "name of the poster was "RedWingMod." So I guess it is a mod after all.
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