Some of you don't want to believe anything negative that's posted about Kate and even doubt that Pennmommy and Julie are who they claim to be. That's fine because I think skepticism is a good thing. What I find interesting is that these same people are so quick to believe that the positive post mentioned earlier MUST be true and assume that Kate really did ask her friends not to post. Anybody could have written that post. It could easily just be a fan. It could even have come from Kate herself. My question is this - where is the evidence of these so-called friends? The only "friends" that have ever been on the show were there because of the kids. Even Beth only became a friend because she volunteered to help with the sextuplets. I find it hard to believe that Jon and Kate have so many friends that we've never heard any mention of when it's clear that Jon and Kate do not have a good relationship with their respective families and seem to have a hard time keeping friends too. That's just me being skeptical.
"Some of you don't want to believe anything negative that's posted about Kate"
I don't believe that is true on this site at all. Many of us believe Kate has faults. We just don't believe that is a good solid reason for all of the destructive behavior that is going on. And so what if Kate doesn't have any friends? Why is that important.
Look, I just wish people would step up and say "Kate is a bitch, I can't stand her. She really pisses me off and that is why I am blogging on all of these sites."
Nina - I agree. I think a lot of people are just hiding behind "child advocacy". I do feel people only want to believe the good things and quickly dismiss the bad things on this site. Sorry, I could be mixing up blogsites because I've been doing a lot of reading in the last few days. I stopped watching the show about a month ago but I still feel compelled to read about it. I'm hoping this compulsion goes away soon. This is the only site I've posted on because it just seems friendlier to differing opinions and more balanced than some of the other ones. I started watching this show a few months ago and I really enjoyed it. It could just be my imagination, but it really seemed like a different show then. I think I pretty much hated Kate from day one but I truly did feel like she was loving towards her kids. I just thought she was awful to Jon. The turning point for me was the gum episode. I was so disgusted by Kate's ingratitude towards Jodi and since none of my friends watch the show, I went online to see if anyone else felt that way. That's when I saw that TWoP had a board for the show. By the time I discovered it, the board had been closed for good. I read some of the old posts and it was interesting to see that many other people felt the same way I did. I still watched the show and I went to the Gosselins website one day. That's when they had that infamous disclaimer. If they hadn't put it on their website, I don't think I would have ever heard anything about it. I wonder how many other people were alerted to the controversy in this way. I'm sure that was the opposite of what Jon and Kate had intended. Since I hadn't heard anything about it, I googled it to see what it was about. That's when I found the link to Julie's page and after reading her blog, I just couldn't watch the show anymore because Jodi really was one of my favorites. I always thought she was such a cool aunt and the kids really seemed to have fun at her house. I know this is more info than anyone needed but I just thought I'd share the story of how I ended up here. I often wonder myself. :)
I actually tend to agree with you, but I find it ironic that while the "K friend" is thought to be an imposter because (and I'm paraphrasing here) "almost anyone could write things on the internet claiming to be anyone" that same position is not applied to the other insiders.
My own opinion is that Julie did more to permanently damage the relationship between Jodi and that family then anything that Kate did.
I'm not saying that is a fact, I'm saying that is my opinion.
Meri, I don't think that many people here believe that this person is necessarily Kate's friend. I think the point is what someone said upthread. It's interesting that when a 'friend' of Kate comes out, they are all over them with scrutiny but doesn't seem like a bit of the same scrutiny is applied to the 'truth' posters.
Anyone who argues that Julie isn't Julie after watching the Jodi video is, IMO, sticking their head in the sand. That, to me, was solid proof that Julie is who she says she is (which seems to be one of the main reasons for making the video in the first place)
Daisy said... There were positive posts when the show first started.
Where? I have been searching and searching for positive posts about the Gosselins and have found very little. I would really like to see the other side of the story, could you please tell us where the Gosselins' friends posted?
What I find interesting is that these same people are so quick to believe that the positive post mentioned earlier MUST be true and assume that Kate really did ask her friends not to post.
I, personally, haven't seen anyone say that they are sure this person really was a "friend". I posted on PM's site that I believe the "friend" just as much as I believe Julie and PM are telling the whole truth.
Nina Bell said... "Look, I just wish people would step up and say "Kate is a bitch, I can't stand her. She really pisses me off and that is why I am blogging on all of these sites."
Can I just tell you that this tops my "wish list" too? How much more respect I would have for these women....
Sadly, I think this will remain an unfulfilled desire because a lot of people are really enjoying their new careers as "child advocates". It's the perfect volunteer opportunity. All "work" is conducted via one's keyboard. Oh yeah, and you get to post endlessly unkind and juvenile things about the family in the name of "telling it like it is".
I saw your post to Julie and you said that you know where she is coming from by reading the comment on this thread and the comment on another thread.
Can you highlight the other comment? I don't know which one you are referencing? Can you also give me/us a perspective into where you believe she is coming from?
Also, I was wondering if she addresses at all the hateful stuff on GwoP? Does that seem to bother her?
Also, did anyone else notice this. We now have the person who tipped off the National Enquirer posting on that blog ...
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unknownacct said...
PennMommy? I thought of that too when I tipped off the National Enquirer when they did their first Gosselin scam story - and felt guilty about it too - but look at Cara and Mady's plight as a bandage being pulled off slowly and painfully. The Gosselin PR machine is starting to work overtime to put out fluff damage-control pieces in magazines and sanitize the show and we all know Kate isn't truly changing "in real life" so the sooner the "word" gets out the sooner and quicker and less painfully the bandage gets pulled off and the healing begins.
Also, Kate Gosselin is, by every definition, a classic narcissist. Adult children of narcissistic parents grow up to all say, "Why didn't anyone speak up?"
So speak up! Yell it from the rooftops! Before they all get much older and the damage is no longer reversable.
Anya and Linda: I just figured it out. There is a 2nd page of comments on the "Questions and Answers" post. Julie gives a better description of what the issue is.
Jenn said... "Anya and Linda: I just figured it out. There is a 2nd page of comments on the "Questions and Answers" post. Julie gives a better description of what the issue is."
Thanks, Jenn!
Yes, I agree it lays out a much more coherent and complete account of what she *believes* happened (as a third party only hearing one side of the story). It would have been helpful if she had done this in the beginning.
I am not going to say what Julie asserts does not give me some things to think about. That said, I have seen with my own eyes very questionable behavior and decision making on Julie's part. If she wanted to "be there" for her sister (and who wouldn't want to do that for a sister they feel has been wronged), I can think of infinite better ways to handle the matter than she has. Whether she wants to accept it about herself, her behavior is really being driven by anger. Healthy and rational decisions are not made in that state of mind.
So I can't agree that Julie is owed an apology, sorry.
I think the best thing I can do is just stay away from the PM site. That's the only way to "talk" to her anyway.
Thanks, Jenn for my making one last try with these folks. I honestly think the 3 or 4 main ones that were on there today are worse than most of the regulars on GWoP. Of course, we hardly ever see differing opinions there, so there isn't the opportunity to really lay claws into those who disagree.
I believe some people really care about the Gosselins kids and want to see change in order for the kids to have a more stable and emotionally healthy life. I'm not a child advocate, but I do want the kids to be happy, meaning that they have a choice to be in front of the cameras or not.
The Gosselins have an amazing life due to their show and are rewarded monetarily. However, I do see issues with the show and believe that there will be consequences for the kids down the road. I don't care for the show now due to what I have seen about Kate on the show. I believe she and Jon love their kids, but living a certain lifestyle is taking precedence over their kids’ emotional well-being.
Anon at 9:05 a.m. I believe she and Jon love their kids, but living a certain lifestyle is taking precedence over their kids’ emotional well-being.
I guess time will tell, won't it? I can't disagree that the number one reason for doing the show is the money. In other words, I don't think they are the fame-seeking types. What price they all will have to pay remains to be seen....
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 222 of 222People have always asked why the friends haven't posted?
I've thought exactly the same thing that probably J&K asked them not to and out of respect for their friends, they obliged.
I'm making this up as I go along but their must be a term like ... absense confirmation or negative confirmation.
... that if no one comes to their defense it must be true.
Mommyzinger --
I think that I may be related to your "fart open" brother.
That and my glass of Chardonnay, made my evening.
Some of you don't want to believe anything negative that's posted about Kate and even doubt that Pennmommy and Julie are who they claim to be. That's fine because I think skepticism is a good thing. What I find interesting is that these same people are so quick to believe that the positive post mentioned earlier MUST be true and assume that Kate really did ask her friends not to post. Anybody could have written that post. It could easily just be a fan. It could even have come from Kate herself. My question is this - where is the evidence of these so-called friends? The only "friends" that have ever been on the show were there because of the kids. Even Beth only became a friend because she volunteered to help with the sextuplets. I find it hard to believe that Jon and Kate have so many friends that we've never heard any mention of when it's clear that Jon and Kate do not have a good relationship with their respective families and seem to have a hard time keeping friends too. That's just me being skeptical.
"Some of you don't want to believe anything negative that's posted about Kate"
I don't believe that is true on this site at all. Many of us believe Kate has faults. We just don't believe that is a good solid reason for all of the destructive behavior that is going on. And so what if Kate doesn't have any friends? Why is that important.
Look, I just wish people would step up and say "Kate is a bitch, I can't stand her. She really pisses me off and that is why I am blogging on all of these sites."
Nina - I agree. I think a lot of people are just hiding behind "child advocacy". I do feel people only want to believe the good things and quickly dismiss the bad things on this site. Sorry, I could be mixing up blogsites because I've been doing a lot of reading in the last few days. I stopped watching the show about a month ago but I still feel compelled to read about it. I'm hoping this compulsion goes away soon. This is the only site I've posted on because it just seems friendlier to differing opinions and more balanced than some of the other ones. I started watching this show a few months ago and I really enjoyed it. It could just be my imagination, but it really seemed like a different show then. I think I pretty much hated Kate from day one but I truly did feel like she was loving towards her kids. I just thought she was awful to Jon. The turning point for me was the gum episode. I was so disgusted by Kate's ingratitude towards Jodi and since none of my friends watch the show, I went online to see if anyone else felt that way. That's when I saw that TWoP had a board for the show. By the time I discovered it, the board had been closed for good. I read some of the old posts and it was interesting to see that many other people felt the same way I did. I still watched the show and I went to the Gosselins website one day. That's when they had that infamous disclaimer. If they hadn't put it on their website, I don't think I would have ever heard anything about it. I wonder how many other people were alerted to the controversy in this way. I'm sure that was the opposite of what Jon and Kate had intended. Since I hadn't heard anything about it, I googled it to see what it was about. That's when I found the link to Julie's page and after reading her blog, I just couldn't watch the show anymore because Jodi really was one of my favorites. I always thought she was such a cool aunt and the kids really seemed to have fun at her house. I know this is more info than anyone needed but I just thought I'd share the story of how I ended up here. I often wonder myself. :)
Meri,
I appreciate you sharing how you got here.
I actually tend to agree with you, but I find it ironic that while the "K friend" is thought to be an imposter because (and I'm paraphrasing here) "almost anyone could write things on the internet claiming to be anyone" that same position is not applied to the other insiders.
My own opinion is that Julie did more to permanently damage the relationship between Jodi and that family then anything that Kate did.
I'm not saying that is a fact, I'm saying that is my opinion.
Meri,
I don't think that many people here believe that this person is necessarily Kate's friend. I think the point is what someone said upthread. It's interesting that when a 'friend' of Kate comes out, they are all over them with scrutiny but doesn't seem like a bit of the same scrutiny is applied to the 'truth' posters.
Anyone who argues that Julie isn't Julie after watching the Jodi video is, IMO, sticking their head in the sand. That, to me, was solid proof that Julie is who she says she is (which seems to be one of the main reasons for making the video in the first place)
Daisy said...
There were positive posts when the show first started.
Where? I have been searching and searching for positive posts about the Gosselins and have found very little. I would really like to see the other side of the story, could you please tell us where the Gosselins' friends posted?
Anon 7:53
Check the Discovery Health forum. It's still there, although you it's closed. Check the posts at near the beginning.
Thanks Daisy, I will check it out.
What I find interesting is that these same people are so quick to believe that the positive post mentioned earlier MUST be true and assume that Kate really did ask her friends not to post.
I, personally, haven't seen anyone say that they are sure this person really was a "friend". I posted on PM's site that I believe the "friend" just as much as I believe Julie and PM are telling the whole truth.
Nina Bell said...
"Look, I just wish people would step up and say "Kate is a bitch, I can't stand her. She really pisses me off and that is why I am blogging on all of these sites."
Can I just tell you that this tops my "wish list" too? How much more respect I would have for these women....
Sadly, I think this will remain an unfulfilled desire because a lot of people are really enjoying their new careers as "child advocates". It's the perfect volunteer opportunity. All "work" is conducted via one's keyboard. Oh yeah, and you get to post endlessly unkind and juvenile things about the family in the name of "telling it like it is".
Bleech..!
Okay -- now the in-fighting is beginning on the comment section. A few of them are going after Fiona?
It is amazing too that they go no holds barred on the blogging warpath against J&K, but they are somehow
?offended? that others would blog about Gwop?
Boggles the mind!
Linda,
That site is amazing. I think it will either implode or explode. Not sure which but I am having a heck of a time watching.
nomoredrama -
I saw your post to Julie and you said that you know where she is coming from by reading the comment on this thread and the comment on another thread.
Can you highlight the other comment? I don't know which one you are referencing? Can you also give me/us a perspective into where you believe she is coming from?
Also, I was wondering if she addresses at all the hateful stuff on GwoP? Does that seem to bother her?
Also, did anyone else notice this. We now have the person who tipped off the National Enquirer posting on that blog ...
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unknownacct said...
PennMommy?
I thought of that too when I tipped off the National Enquirer when they did their first Gosselin scam story - and felt guilty about it too - but look at Cara and Mady's plight as a bandage being pulled off slowly and painfully. The Gosselin PR machine is starting to work overtime to put out fluff damage-control pieces in magazines and sanitize the show and we all know Kate isn't truly changing "in real life" so the sooner the "word" gets out the sooner and quicker and less painfully the bandage gets pulled off and the healing begins.
Also, Kate Gosselin is, by every definition, a classic narcissist.
Adult children of narcissistic parents grow up to all say, "Why didn't anyone speak up?"
So speak up! Yell it from the rooftops! Before they all get much older and the damage is no longer reversable.
September 12, 2008 10:58 AM
Thanks, Linda. I posed the same q to NoMore on the other site.
I don't know what Julie could have written that would change my impression radically, but I am eager to take a look.
Ya know, I think they "get off" on anyone who posts here posting over there. I think it's like feeding time at zoo.
I'll probably continue to read it but I doubt I'll post. It's really not worth it. Who would want to subject themselves to their antics? I sure don't.
Anya and Linda:
I just figured it out. There is a 2nd page of comments on the "Questions and Answers" post. Julie gives a better description of what the issue is.
Jenn said...
"Anya and Linda:
I just figured it out. There is a 2nd page of comments on the "Questions and Answers" post. Julie gives a better description of what the issue is."
Thanks, Jenn!
Yes, I agree it lays out a much more coherent and complete account of what she *believes* happened (as a third party only hearing one side of the story). It would have been helpful if she had done this in the beginning.
I am not going to say what Julie asserts does not give me some things to think about. That said, I have seen with my own eyes very questionable behavior and decision making on Julie's part. If she wanted to "be there" for her sister (and who wouldn't want to do that for a sister they feel has been wronged), I can think of infinite better ways to handle the matter than she has. Whether she wants to accept it about herself, her behavior is really being driven by anger. Healthy and rational decisions are not made in that state of mind.
So I can't agree that Julie is owed an apology, sorry.
I think the best thing I can do is just stay away from the PM site. That's the only way to "talk" to her anyway.
Thanks, Jenn for my making one last try with these folks. I honestly think the 3 or 4 main ones that were on there today are worse than most of the regulars on GWoP. Of course, we hardly ever see differing opinions there, so there isn't the opportunity to really lay claws into those who disagree.
I believe some people really care about the Gosselins kids and want to see change in order for the kids to have a more stable and emotionally healthy life. I'm not a child advocate, but I do want the kids to be happy, meaning that they have a choice to be in front of the cameras or not.
The Gosselins have an amazing life due to their show and are rewarded monetarily. However, I do see issues with the show and believe that there will be consequences for the kids down the road. I don't care for the show now due to what I have seen about Kate on the show. I believe she and Jon love their kids, but living a certain lifestyle is taking precedence over their kids’ emotional well-being.
Anon at 9:05 a.m.
I believe she and Jon love their kids, but living a certain lifestyle is taking precedence over their kids’ emotional well-being.
I guess time will tell, won't it? I can't disagree that the number one reason for doing the show is the money. In other words, I don't think they are the fame-seeking types. What price they all will have to pay remains to be seen....
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