Great interview- love seeing her soft side, also it was nice that the kids weren't actually apart of the segment!
So this was obviously taped (she was wearing the same outfit as the other day and she was not being interviewed live)it was still great to see because we did see Kate be very emotional for this show which is so unlike her. I thought that even though the show is a bit of a snooze, seeing this side of Kate was wonderful. I am not very religious, but my favorite part was her talking about how determined she was to see each of her kids while giving birth. Also about how blessed she knows she is, and how she thanks God every day for her "blessings".What I didnt like was the comments Pat Robertson made AFTER the interview. I do not know him but he was just about to talk about how he felt fertility treatments were wrong when the co-achor stopped him and went straight to Kates healthy children. Then right after that he said something along the lines of "Kate having enough to work on a farm" and the woman cut him off again and said something stupid like "they already kinda have a farm". WHAT?? This guy sounds to me like the typical old grandfather that thinks he knows everything. Totally blew it for me and will not be watching his snoozefest again....
Baby Mama-You are so right, I was only half paying attention to that part so I wasnt sure if I heard him correctly! UGH! I thought surely he dind't just say that. . .
Yes, Pat Robertson has always been a snoozefest. I don't think that he THINKS before he says certain things. I'm not to sure that Jon and Kate would appreciate him saying those things about their family.
That was the most "real" Kate Gosselin I have ever seen. Very heartfelt...explained some things that I had never thought about.She seemed genuine, grateful and blessed.
You can see more of the interview on the CBN webiste. http://www.cbn.com/media/index.aspx?s=%2fvod%2fHB1_Full_InterviewI am listening to it now and you hear the questions being asked of Kate and it is more than what they showed on the show. Very interesting.
In this interview we did get to see a side of Kate that we very rarely see on TLC...makes me truly wonder about the editing that goes on for Jon and Kate Plus 8!I thought her interview was great! I think that Kate is very grateful and knows how extremely blessed they are!I too caught onto Pat Roberstons side comment about fertility treatments. I haven't watched the 700 Club in years but he seems to have really aged. Perhaps his filter is less then what it use to be!
No opinions on Jon waiting in line at the Salvation Army for money to pay the electric bill?
Did Jon do that yesterday?Or do we condemn folks who in the past might have needed help but now don't.There is this fabulous charity featured on the Dave Ramsey show once that does "small" but meaningful assistance to folks. One woman helped needed a job, got a job but had to pay something--I can't recall what but typical for the line of work. After extensive checking they helped her and several years later she has worked her way up and is now buying a home.Just b/c J&K got helped in the past or needed the help or anyone else in this country for that matter--does not mean they should face eternal condemnation if by chance they later on prosper.Wish I saw the show but I don't watch 700 club. Now off to read the damage control commentary.
How humbling for Jon to have to get help to pay their bills. It must have been hard for him and hurt his pride to have to do it. I commend him for putting his family before his pride.
No opinions on Jon waiting in line at the Salvation Army for money to pay the electric bill?Did Jon do that yesterday?No, he did not, but as I listened to that story, I thought it was odd that they had the money for fertility treatments. I also thought they were dusting off the old sob stories for good measure.
enablingisfun,So who are you enabling?
enabling, Jon lost his job AFTER the tups were conceived. J&K both worked while going through fertility treatments. Their financially hard times hit after Jon lost his job.
Before Jon and Kate had the sextuplets they both worked, had the twins, bought their first home and then did fertility treatments in which they conceived the sextuplets. It was only after Kate was pregnant with the sextuplets that Jon lost his job and their financial worries began. I don't see anything wrong with Kate mentioning that they needed heating assistance and that Jon went to the Salvation Army for it. Personally, I think that it is rather humble of them to share these kind of private struggles that they lived. And if you watched the entire 700 Club show, not just the segment on Jon and Kate, you would see that Kate's story was only adding to the "theme" of the day...which was that through believing in Christ anyone can get through any situation. So, call them "sob stories" if you like, but that was the Gosselin's reality and those "stories" were what the 700 Club was looking for in their interview.
I am a firm believer that God will provide for your needs but I think there is a distinction between needs and wants. I am not a fan of tv pastors who preach the prosperity doctrine. Unfortunately Jon & Kate seem to be on this bandwagon too.
To mrsref,I say AMEN to your comment! You took the words right out of my mouth!
bee,I also think that Pat Robertson has aged. I think his brain has aged too. He didn't need to make the comments that he made. For some reason he puts me to sleep! I just wonder what Jon and Kate's response is to what he said.
I have heard of the prosperity doctrine but I must confess igorance of its exact teaching. But I don't have a problem with wealth. I don't think that the Bible teaches a poverty doctrine either. It's what you do with it that matters to God. Many churches, colleges, etc. would not be in existence without a wealthy benefactor. I do believe that "to whom much is given, much will be required." You have probably heard of the story of the man who prayed for God to save him from a flood and then refused to be rescued by ordinary means, insisting that God would miraculously save him. After he drowned, he asked God why he wasn't delivered from the flood waters. God said, "I sent 2 boats and a helicopter, what other sign did you need?"I think that Jon and Kate believe that this show is the means through which God is providing for their family. People can agree or disagree with their choices, but I believe that ultimately they are accountable to God for the decisions that they make and how they raise their children.
I hardly think Kate Gosselin is perfect. I think she made/makes a lot of mistakes. I commend her, though, for sacrificing so much to try to bring all 6 babies to term as best as possible. She has a lot to be proud of on that point. The interview was actually quite heartwarming and I recommend that everyone view it. Thanks for the link cwats.
You know, Saint, I've been reading her book, and I don't really think I'd given much thought to how hard, scary and uncomfortable it was to go through that pregnancy. If she wasn't neurotic before that (and I suspect she was), that would be enough to turn her that way.
Didn't she say something like, "we couldn't even afford two kids, let alone three"? If they recognized that, how could they justify having fertility treatments a second time (at that point in time, anyway)? Especially knowing that there was a good chance of having more multiples. In that financial state, and at their young ages, it seems really selfish and irresponsible to go ahead with it. My opinion, anyway.
I'm disturbed by the "Gosselins without Pity" posts, regarding Kate's interview with CBN.It just has the overall feeling that they are trying to portray Kate as a "nut-case" because she is simply talking about God and their faith, first of all. And when Kate is describing what I would say are "intuitive feelings", they are trying to portray her as becoming mentally unstable. The site does not seem to be very "Christain" friendly.
So who are you enabling?No one, but it appears a lot of your posters are enablers for the Gosselins.Any talking point brought up by the "dark side" is poo-poo'ed with an excuse for the bad behavior. Some of the rationalizations are just really weak.I believe when this site first started, it was stated that it should not be labeled as Pro-Gosselin, but it is, it always has been. Maybe a lot of your posters are not, but a definite hate for the other side is another reason they are here."I don't see exploitation.""I don't think they are misrepresenting themselves."etc.For as many people as have that state the GWOPPERS hate them for no good reason, or that the things said about them are not fair, there are an equal number of people here who defend them for no other good reason that they just like them.I offer this up for example:Discussing the rare treat comment regarding bagels - when for the most part anytime Kate has used the term on different episodes, describing different things in the financial aspect, someone claims that regarding the bagels as "bagels come in packs of six; for everyone to have a bagel, more than one pack needs to be purchased so everyone can get a bagel." OK. I think this family can buy it's fair share of bagels.I just find it very hard to see how a woman who says about her children "we gambled and lost" (from the book)can be admirable, especially since these gamblings losses are now her meal ticket.Just an observation.
amyf, Kate was talking about when she was already pregnant with the tups. When they were trying to conceive they had no way of knowing Jon would loose his job. Before conception they could affoard the twins and fertility treatments.
Any talking point brought up by the "dark side" is poo-poo'ed with an excuse for the bad behavior. Some of the rationalizations are just really weak.I think you're ignoring examples where people do agree with you regarding bad behavior. They may not be as outraged as you are, but there is agreement. I don't think anyone is claiming Kate is perfect. What you see as rationalizations, I see as trying to understand certain behaviors. Understanding doesn't mean excusing. People are complicated. What others perceive as simple greed, I see as perhaps a manifestation of anxiety over money. So I don't think it's so much refusing to see things as seeing them in a different way.I believe when this site first started, it was stated that it should not be labeled as Pro-Gosselin, but it is, it always has been. Maybe a lot of your posters are not, but a definite hate for the other side is another reason they are here.The site is a reflection of the posters, largely. In terms of blog entries, yes, maybe we post things that are either neutral or more on the positive/defensive of the Gosselins side. If you'd like to submit something for publication, please do so. Speaking for myself, I do say things that are critical of the Gosselins. I also spend a lot of time defending them. Much more time than I'd feel compelled to if I felt that others were fairer and less judgmental in their criticisms of them. I can't articulate it that well, but there is just something about all of the hatred they are subjected to...I don't feel like joining the pile-on, you know? Apparently, some people enjoy that, but I don't. What I'm trying to say is that if the negative views were more centrist and presented with less malice, I think the discussion about the Gosselins, pro and con, would be more productive and less divisive. That said, if I defend them, it's because I honestly don't see many of the things that others view with outrage as so awful. Probably the thing that bothers me the most, and for which I don't really have much understanding, is J&K's rigid gender stereotyping. For as many people as have that state the GWOPPERS hate them for no good reason, or that the things said about them are not fair, there are an equal number of people here who defend them for no other good reason that they just like them.I think it's natural to try to understand the behavior of someone you like more than someone you dislike. I mean, wouldn't you cut a friend who was behaving badly more slack than someone who you couldn't stand?But I also think you're being unfair in assuming that people are enabling/rationalizing/justifying behaviors by the Gosselins simply because they like them. There is ample evidence that the two "sides" see a lot of things differently. The anti-Gosselin side believes a lot of things (without credible evidence, IMO) that make the Gosselins look bad. They also make a big deal over things that are really not worthy of it. I swear I am not saying this because I like Kate: Kate saying that her kids don't like fast food and someone coming up with footage of her kids eating fast food is not the smoking gun that some people seem to think it is. It is not, IMO, proof that Kate is a liar. It's nothing. It's an inconsequential inconsistency that could be explained about 20 different ways.Discussing the rare treat comment regarding bagels - when for the most part anytime Kate has used the term on different episodes, describing different things in the financial aspect, someone claims that regarding the bagels as "bagels come in packs of six; for everyone to have a bagel, more than one pack needs to be purchased so everyone can get a bagel." OK. The only thing I've ever said about that is that I did not take the "rare treat" comment to be a reference to the cost of the bagels. I don't know why Kate considers them "a rare treat" - too many carbs, too junky? (perish the thought! I looove bagels) - but I never thought she was saying they were too expensive.If she was, it may be proof that Kate is tight-fisted, not that she's poor-mouthing or lying. You can call that rationalization on my part, but my observation is that Kate is somewhat careful with money. I've given the example before - when they've been on road trips she seems to pack a lot of meals for them so they won't have to eat in restaurants so much. That seems like a lot of extra work, and my guess is that she doesn't want to spend what it would cost to feel the whole family in a restaurant, regardless of whether she can afford it or not.
EnablingisfunIf you feel so strongly about your statement, why don’t you use the screen name that you normally post as at GWoP or here? Why hide under a screen name that is obviously meant to be demeaning? I do not go to GWoP and post as "youareallhatersandjealous".This is just one small reason why people might not like GWoP.Our posters enablers? Well I would consider them free thinkers who are not guided by a mob mentality. People who step back and say " I don't care if they call me names and ridicule my feelings, I am going to figure this one out for myself." I don’t remember ever saying anything about wanting this site not to be labeled pro-Gosselin or anti-Gosselin. What I do remember saying is that I just wanted to express my opinion and have it posted. I also said I would post all opinions. Now you can think or say what you want, but I am saying that it is an absolute fact that GWoP or the “dark side” did not allow this type of posting and discussion back in July. If it did, this site would not exist and it would not have thrived. So in reality, GWoP has no one but itself to blame for GDNNOP existing today.
Daisy said... amyf, Kate was talking about when she was already pregnant with the tups. When they were trying to conceive they had no way of knowing Jon would loose his job. Before conception they could affoard the twins and fertility treatments. October 31, 2008 10:45 PMNo, but what I was saying is why the heck did they even go through the treatment to GET the second pregnancy if they were just squeezing by (my impression) on Jon's salary? I still don't think they were in any position to realistically support MORE THAN 2 kids, if that.
amyf, The Gosselins were by no means "just squeezing by" before they had the sextuplets. The financial problems they talk about occured AFTER Kate was pregnant with the sextuplets which also happened to be when Jon lost his job. Before the tups were born both Jon and Kate were working, infact Kate was working as a nurse. They bought a house in a nice neighborhood, went on a family vacation to Disney, and had funds to do infertility treatments. I believe it was in the 700 Club interview where Kate even says that they knew going into the fertility treatments that they were not guarenteed to have just one child as the result. However in their minds, multiples meant twins. They never in their wildest dreams thought that they would end up with 6 babies. That being said, from a financial standpoint they must have been pretty comfortable having the treatments and knowing that at least twins were possible.
If you feel so strongly about your statement, why don’t you use the screen name that you normally post as at GWoP or here? Why hide under a screen name that is obviously meant to be demeaning? I do not go to GWoP and post as "youareallhatersandjealous".I don't feel strongly about my statement, not all of your posters are enablers, it was just an opinion and the name was chosen to be tongue in cheek. Besides if you disagree, why would the name be demeaning?BTW I have not posted on GWOP in a while. I have seen some of the changes over there that I don't particularly agree with and another factor has been confirmed that makes me wary of posting over there.I don’t remember ever saying anything about wanting this site not to be labeled pro-Gosselin or anti-Gosselin.Read back to the initial postings, it may not have been your wish, or you may not have said it, but it was discussed.Discussing the rare treat comment regarding bagels - when for the most part anytime Kate has used the term on different episodes, describing different things in the financial aspect, someone claims that regarding the bagels as "bagels come in packs of six; for everyone to have a bagel, more than one pack needs to be purchased so everyone can get a bagel." The only thing I've ever said about that is that I did not take the "rare treat" comment to be a reference to the cost of the bagels. I don't know why Kate considers them "a rare treat" - too many carbs, too junky? (perish the thought! I looove bagels) - but I never thought she was saying they were too expensive.This is the reason it is my opinion, that some posters are enablers. I know that I did not imagine that comment about the reason for the bagels being a rare treat. If you find it, I am sure you will be surprised at who said it.I don't care if they call me names and ridicule my feelings,No offense, but I can think of at least 3 posters here that do that to others who have an opinion different from theirs. These are just my observations, I am not accusing.
EIFThe intent was meant to be demeaning. I will make that right by saying just an observation. I am not accusing.I don't need to read back to the original postings, I wrote the original postings. I was here all by myself. What was said was "a balanced discussion." What was repeated over and over again to people who complained is that the postings and comments are only as balanced as the people that submit. That I had no control over that. We posted everything.So if people felt welcomed here that were pro Gosselin, so be it.They certainly did not have a forum to discuss their feelings over at GWoP.I don't mind being known as pro Gosselin. It is what it is. But it was never the intent. The intent was to have a good discussion. Actually, I think we do have some good discussions here.The bagel thing, I personally never discussed that back then so I am not going to go into great detail discussing it now. I am well aware that people come here for there dislike of GWoP. I am here because of my dislike for GWoP. I don't understand why that is a negative.These are just my observations, I am not accusing.
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