I think they were on the Soup previously. Can't remember what for. Is it good or bad to be on the Soup for a tv show?
They make lighthearted fun of TV shows. I thought that clip was pretty funny. Thanks Guin.
I'd never seen them on the show before, though I wouldn't be surprised if they were on. I always thought they were good candidates for it.I think it's good to be on The Soup. Any publicity (short of clubbing baby seals or something) is good publicity, and it seems like J&K's rating just keep getting better, even with the "controversy", so they might pick up a viewer or two from it.
I think they were on before with a clip of Joel Gosselin saying, "Daddies have wieners." Joel McHale's reply: "And mommies have fertility drugs." or something like that.Jon Minus Nine was pretty funny.
I saw on GWOP that they thought that this was such a horrible thing. I literally watched this and was hysterical laughing. I just loved it. And remember "all publicity is good publicity".. I think.. anyway that was too funny.
Got to admit, it was pretty funny!I bet Jon and Kate thought so too.
I thought it was hilarious. But, I don't know if being in the same company as I Love New York, and Rock of Love is something I would strive for.
I thought it was funny. It's good to have humor once in awhile. lol
It was pretty funny. Her correction of his grammar is annoying.
The Soup makes fun of stupid people and shows. Being on The Soup is not a good thing. Would you want to be on The Soup? Kate is verbally abusive to Jon, and that is not a good thing for a wife to be to her husband. Not all publicity is good publicity. Think about it.
The Soup may make fun of stupid people but I've read more than once that reality show people strive to be featured on it. To them, it's like getting to another level in success and acknowledgment. If I were Kate, I'd probably laugh at myself for seeing that. It was annoying, not abusive.
Getting another level in success is not what Kate and Jon need right now. She needs to lay low and be nice to Jon. I enjoy the show for the kids. You can look up domestic violence and see that it very much includes verbal and emotional acts. Sometimes the verbal attacks are worse that the physical attacks. I enjoy seeing Jon interact with the kids. He's a good "MOM". The kids like being with him and just being kids. If Kate's laughing at The Soup, she better wake up and smell the coffee.
momforthekids,Oprah has been featured on Soup. I would not call her or her show stupid. I can think just fine, thank you. Please do not come her and lecture. Just make your point.Domestic violence? That is a stretch.
While I am not a huge Kate fan, this was pretty funny. I feel for Jon though, my hubby always corrects me, not in a nasty way but if I say something happened at 11 he has to say 11:30, if I say it is black, he says blue. It's not abusive, it's annoying and I tell him that I feel like I am married to Mr. A. Right as in Always. I don't know why anyone would be upset by this, they do this stuff on the DISH too. I am surprised we haven't seen them there.
Calling someone fat, stupid, worthless, waste of space is verbal abuse. Correcting their grammar is just being annoying and inconsiderate... Something we've all done at times.
My concern is for the kids. The kids hear and see what Kate does (hitting Jon and putting him down by constantly correcting him.) Derbydem says "Something we've all done at times". That statement is unbelieveable. My spouse and I NEVER do that and I know plenty of other couples that respect their spouse and they NEVER do that either. It's just not right and if you do it you should stop. I love to watch the good times that Jon and the kids have a great time together and those kids will remember those good times with Jon. I liked Kate in the beginning, but the more she opens her mouth, the more she gets herself in trouble. She needs to stop putting Jon down by making him feel bad, which she does on national television. Why can't she just do it in private? She's just making herself look bad. Final point, may God bless those children.
momforthekidsPlease re-read derbydem's comment. That is not what she said."Correcting their grammar is just being annoying and inconsiderate... Something we've all done at times."
Yes, I know what derbydem said about correcting their grammar. Not every spouse does that and not on national television. Kate is putting him down by constantly correcting him. Why does she have to do that? She makes him feel bad. She should remember her wedding vows: for better,for worse. Once again I will state, that my concern is the children. They will grow up remembering that Mom was always correcting Dad and hitting him. Jon minus nine sounds good right now for the sake of those children. TLC should try it and I bet they would see that their ratings would go up.
Momforthekids,Don't you know the reason most people watch the show IS Kate? She is the drama that has people like you disgusted yet tuning in every week.
To hbic8u,I don't watch the show to see Kate make a fool of herself. I watch it to see the kids. Isn't that what the show is about, the kids? Who needs the drama in their lives? When she's talking, I turn to something else. Her monotone voice is annoying.
although it's quite a stretch to call correcting grammar domestic violence,i would say that calling your spouse fat is definitely borderline verbal abuse. we've heard her criticize his weight, hair, parenting, grammar, posture and many other issues. can you imagine the angry backlash TLC would get if jon criticized kate's weight? but it's ok for a woman to do it to a man? that really bothers me. as far as this clip is concerned, it was hilarious. hopefully even J&K thought so. it's important for EVERYONE to be able to laugh at themselves.
The Soup makes fun of stupid people and shows. Being on The Soup is not a good thing. Would you want to be on The Soup? Kate is verbally abusive to Jon, and that is not a good thing for a wife to be to her husband. Not all publicity is good publicity. Think about it.Okay, *most* publicity is good publicity. I just think it's laughable that some anti-Gosselin folks see this as "the beginning of the end" or some such melodramatic drivel. "The Hills" gets featured on "The Soup" just about every week - I think that show is doing okay. It was a funny little bit, not a Woodward and Bernstein expose. Sometimes I think certain people are either pulling our legs with their dire predictions for the downfall of the show (or their belief that J&K will be spoofed on Letterman or SNL or the like); other times I think these women are just loco.
momforthekids,Are the kids so adorable that it is worth the migraine you must get everytime you hear Kate's voice? I find it hard to believe that you don't appreciate the drama, especially when you have an outlet such as this in which to discuss it.They will grow up remembering that Mom was always correcting Dad and hitting him.I don't disagree with you about her always correcting his grammer. It is annoying. However, I am also annoyed with the implication that she is physically abusing him. I have a girlfriend who slaps me on the thigh everytime she has exiting news. Would you call her abusive? That, to me, is like calling a housecat a couger.
hbic8u,You say you have a girlfriend who HITS you on the thigh everytime she has exiting new? I'm not sure what you mean by "exiting" news, but NO ONE should ever put their hands on you in that fashion. That's called ASSAULT. Why doe she do that, and why do you continue to let her do that? Why can't she hug you instead? I don't get a migraine from Kate because I turn her off. I feel sorry for Jon. Her hitting him is abuse. Look it up for yourself. People need to be educated about what abuse consisits off. I am not anti-Gosselin, cause I enjoy watching the kids and Jon. But you must agree that Kate needs an attitude adjustment for the benefit of those children and Jon. The sooner the better.
See once again, it depends on your family. I talk to and sometimes argue with my husband the exact same way. I relate to Kate very much. Does this make me verbally abusive, well I sure hope not! Even with my own form of love taps, people don't understand that it depends on the family. We all don't live like the robotic Duggars, sorry. You, momforthekids, are generalizing (if that's a word) families. We feel we can judge how Kate runs her ship, because she's on TV. Kate is a good mom. Saying shes not is just a matter of opinion.
lol momforthekids, I don't even know what to say to that. Seriously, I am at a loss for words right now. I am laughing pretty hard though. I can't wait to call my friend in the morning and tell her about the assault charges I'll be bringing against her. lol Really, thanks for "educating" me, I had no idea how badly I was being abused.
baby mama,I'm glad that you mentioned the Duggar's. You don't ever see the Mom being mean in any way to her husband or kids. I have never seen her raise her hand to her husband or correct his grammar. Perhaps Kate should take some lessons from her. If Kate does bad things on television, God only knows what she does in private. You can stick up for her all you want, but the facts are the facts.
hbic8u,You very welcome.
momforthekids, I was thinking about it and I think it's very irresponsible to compare what Kate does to Jon to domestic violence. It trivializes real abuse. Jon is not physically hurt by Kate, nor is he physically afraid of her. I would put the "love taps" more on par with an etiquette issue; I don't think the parents are modeling great behavior any more than I think they would be if they burped and didn't excuse themselves. But that's considered okay in some families, too.I don't think for a moment that Jon is afraid of or intimidated by Kate (though I think he enjoys playing at being henpecked), so if he's bothered by the hitting, he should say something. As for correcting Jon, I think that's rude. I think it comes from Kate's insecurity - I don't think she does it to be mean - but I don't think it's appropriate. I do find it a little hypocritical that you make such a big deal of it - neither you nor anyone you know EVER does that - and then go on to make a snotty comment about an obvious typo in hbic8u's post ("I'm not sure what you mean by 'exiting' news,"). You had a typo yourself later in your post, by the way (there is nothing to be gained by being snotty about someone else's typos or mistakes - I know because I've been hoisted on my own petard on that one before myself).
themrs said..."i would say that calling your spouse fat is definitely borderline verbal abuse. we've heard her criticize his weight, hair, parenting, grammar, posture and many other issues. can you imagine the angry backlash TLC would get if jon criticized kate's weight? but it's ok for a woman to do it to a man?" I have to agree here. I think it *is* perceived differently because it is done female to male, vs. the other way around. Maybe that's not right, but I think it is part of a much larger issue of gender roles. Too heavy a topic for me to tackle at this time of night!That said, I think we have heard about (not seen as much) Jon giving as good as he gets. Wasn't there discussion that he was unhappy with her weight and her stomach after the sextuplets were born? Frankly, I think they could both stand to be a little less focused on appearance, but obviously they are not alone in that regard and I am sure being on national t.v. plays into one's insecurities.....
momforthekids said..."I'm glad that you mentioned the Duggar's. You don't ever see the Mom being mean in any way to her husband or kids. I have never seen her raise her hand to her husband or correct his grammar. Perhaps Kate should take some lessons from her." Lordy be, I couldn't disagree more.I am sure Michelle Duggar is a lovely woman. I have nothing against her, but as a woman I would never suggest another woman look to her as an example. Kate is assertive and opinionated and a good case could be made that she needs to learn to modify some of her behavior, but I think she can do that without turning to Michelle Duggar as an example to strive for...Just my opinion.
You don't ever see the Mom being mean in any way to her husband or kids.No, but you also don't see her as having a 50% say in things either. My boyfriend picks at me sometimes. Last night, in fact, he was getting on my last nerve because he was picking at the shows I watch because he doesn't think they're worth anything. You know what I did? I assertively told him to stop. And he did (for the time being). If Jon is really that bothered by what Kate does on or off the camera, I'm sure he'd say something. He doesn't see like a shrinking violet. I get annoyed at my boyfriend sometimes, but in a way I also love him for it in some twisted way. He respects my wishes when I ask him to stop, but he keeps me on my toes. He HAS pointed out not so flattering personality characteristics in myself. It's just a way some people work.momforthekids,Your taking my quote out of context to further push your agenda on this blog is a typical tactic used by people who can't make their own valid arguments on their on beliefs. You had to take what I said and twist it around to fit your "point". I'm not annoyed that my post was taken the wrong way. I'm annoyed that you wrote "I know what DerbyDem said about correcting their grammer" when it was pointed out the mistake from your previous post. I'm all about discussion of different views, but I won't take you seriously if you twist my words around.
momforthekids said..."I'm glad that you mentioned the Duggar's. You don't ever see the Mom being mean in any way to her husband or kids. I have never seen her raise her hand to her husband or correct his grammar. Perhaps Kate should take some lessons from her."----------------------------------J&K let people see more of whats going on then the Duggars do. Jim Bob is known to do most of the editing himself to be sure nothing negitive is being shown. Have you ever heard of Michelles "blanket training?" They would never show that on TV. In some eyes that would be child abuse.
"Jon minus nine sounds good right now for the sake of those children. TLC should try it and I bet they would see that their ratings would go up."Well, that would mean that Jon would leave the family and the kids would be with Kate. I'm thinking maybe you mean "Jon and 8 minus Kate".Anyway, I have seen people suggest that he should leave her and take the kids and I find it very disturbing. Kate is not perfect and neither is Jon,but they are the kids' parents and the kids love both of them. I'm sure they would be devastated to lose either of them.
" Have you ever heard of Michelles "blanket training?" Just curious - what is this?
I hadn't heard of blanket training either, so I looked it up. According to a poster on another website, it means when a mother puts a baby on a blanket and hits the edges of the blanket with a stick. The baby is supposed to learn that if they go off of the blanket, they'll get hit with the stick. This keeps the baby on the blanket so the mother supposedly has more freedom.
guinervere,I was not being snotty when asking hbic8u what "exiting news" meant. I thought perhaps her friend did this when she was leaving her home or whatever. So don't even go there with me.That being said, Christian's are judged by the fruits that they sow. Kate claims to be such a good Christian, then why does she treat Jon that way? The Duggar's on the other hand are good Christian's and they treat each other with respect. Kate needs to respect Jon more. You have to know that when she puts him down, he feels bad. Once again I will state, I am concerned for the children. At times I think Kate keeps them in a "fish bowl". They need to be with Jodi, Beth and their grandparents. If it were up to Jon I think he would socialize them more. Kate needs to look at what she is doing to her family. Don't you think that those children wonder what happened to Aunt Jodi and Beth? I'm sure that Mady and Cara wonder what happened to their Grandparents? After all, the Grandparents took care of Mady and Cara when Kate had the babies. Mady and Cara's best friend was Beth's daughter. They don't see her anymore. You know that must hurt those girls, and they will remember that Kate did that to them. What excuse does Kate give those children as to why these people are not in their lives anymore? Please don't make excuses for Kate's bad behavior. It's there and she needs a major attitude adjustment and WE all know it. Those sweet children are the ones that will suffer.
The baby is supposed to learn that if they go off of the blanket, they'll get hit with the stick. This keeps the baby on the blanket so the mother supposedly has more freedom.That is really disturbing, imo. So what happens in the first hours of training when the baby does leave the blanket? Do they get hit with the stick? When my kids were just learning to crawl I put them in a highchair or sometimes in a jumparoo when I needed to get some housework done. Threatening them with a stick pretty mean, imo especially when there are many other options available to keep them stationary.
i can't say how the duggars do it, but we do blanket training at our house. you put the baby (old enought to sit up usually) on a blanket with a few toys. when the baby tries to leave the blanket, you gently put them back on the blanket and say "this is where you play with your toys". you repeat as many times as necessary, until the baby has played for a few minutes. as they get older, you increase the time. you always use the same blanket. the reason we do this is that you can then take that blanket anywhere (church, a meeting, dr office) and you baby will sit on it and play without wandering or having to be entertained. it's a life saver. i don't know if others hit their child with a stick but we don't do that and it's not necessary. i don't tend to use it too much at home since there's no need. if i go do laundry, etc i usually take the baby with me and have him "help" (he's 22mths old) i dont think we can assume that the duggars hit the baby since we've never seen it and most people don't do it that way.
That's a good point anon. I'm hoping thats the way the Duggars do it and the poster on the other blog was exaggerating. I have a lot of friends who use jumperoos when they need to do stuff. I'm not an expert, but I can see how those are fun for the baby and build leg muscles. However, doing the blanket thing the way anon does would be a good method when you travel.Now, with the Kate thing, this will probably be one of my last posts because I feel like we're running around in circles. I'm sure Kate isn't the easiest person to get along with. We probably wouldn't be BFF's. However, Jon is a man and is able to stick up for himself. He's not a child. If Kate puts him down, I'd hope he has the grapefruits to tell her how he feels about it. I agree it's not healthy for the kids to see, but a lot of people do unhealthy things infront of kids. As far as the outside relationships go, I can pretty much guess it's not all kate. They are Jon's kids too and he probably has a say in it. If he felt that greatly about the kids seeing his mom, he would hopefully say something. I know there are a lot of women in abusive relationships where the man controls everything, but Jon doesn't strike me as the type of man to put up with that kind of crap.
Quote:Kate needs to respect Jon more. You have to know that when she puts him down, he feels bad.I don't know anything about what Jon feels, neither do you. They're his feelings. I don't endorse the way Kate talks to her spouse, but making assumptions about Jon's feelings is, in my opinion, a show of disrespect toward him. Sometimes I think viewers who complain about how much Kate disrespects her husband actually demonstrate a higher level of disrespect toward him. Jon should speak for himself, and if he chooses not to address it, that's also his choice. I don't presume to 'know' what he feels.Once again I will state, I am concerned for the children. At times I think Kate keeps them in a "fish bowl". They need to be with Jodi, Beth and their grandparents.To me, that's equally presumptuous. How do you know everything you would need to know to assert that the kids 'need' to be with Jodi, Beth, and their grandparents? Especially since it's an issue that was decided beyond the eye of the camera, and is only known here on the internet through a third-hand source at best.
Anon 12:02 pmWe are not posting anon comments. I let yours through because it had information that I thought people would want to know. Please pick a screen name and use it if you comment here in the future.Thank you,Nina
tyra,All human beings have feelings, as does Jon. You can tell by his body language that Kate makes him feel bad. People should build people up, not put them down. That most certainly applies to your spouse. Jon has probably been taught not to talk back to women, or he would.If you can't tell that those children have a good time with Aunt Jodi and Beth, then you are drinking the "Kate Kool-aid" along with Kate.
Tripletsmom, Maybe you can tell me where I can get some of that Kate Koolaid. I think I need it for when i go over to GWoP to see what is going on. Does it mix well with scotch? Because I usually have a shot of that before I go there.
nina bell,You need to ask Kate where to get it, I'm sure it's organic LOL. If you have to have a shot of scotch to go over there, I think you have a problem.
The funny thing is, I don't even drink.
tripletsmom,I'm sure this won't post, but I totally agree with you. Why in this day and age when divorce is on the rise, does one spouse belittle the other spouse? Kate is an educated woman and should know better. I bet that Mady is in counseling right now. I truly feel sorry for these kids. Kate has no friends and her family doesn't want anything to do with her. They know what she really is like.
momforthekids,Why wouldn't I post this? I posted all of your other lectures.
nina bell,My posts are not lectures, they are FACTS and you know it. Time will tell what happens to Kate. Karma's a b***h. I kinda like you though nina bell.
It's not fair to state an assumption as fact by simply saying "Kate has no friends." I don't see how it's at all possible to know this. Besides, wasn't a friend quoted in one of the magazine articles?
My posts are not lectures, they are FACTS and you know it.Facts or assumptions?
sorry nina, i was on my husbands laptop and wasn't signed in! ( i was anon about blanket training:)
derbydem,How much more clear can I make it that these are facts? I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall and going in circles. Once again, time will tell.mariel,Kate has no friends. Would you want to be her friend? She treats people like objects. If a friend was quoted in a magazine article, it was probably Jon...LOL.
momforthekids, How do you know that Kate has no friends? If it's because of something you read or because of her behavior on the show you really can't know now can you?I also feel like I'm beating my head against a wall trying to explain the difference between fact and opinion to people like you.
hbic8u,Kate doesn't have any friends because if she did, she would be constantly correcting their grammar like she does to Jon. No one in their right mind would put up with that. Who wants a friend like that? Or who would even put up with that? That's not a friend. Jon puts up with it causes he's "whipped". Kate doesn't even talk about having friends. When she was friends with Beth she used to talk about it. The facts are the facts, so just face it. Just like I can tell that you are anal because you just don't accept it and leave it alone. Once again, I will repeat, time will tell and Kate will have to face the music. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.
momforthekids said...The facts are the facts, so just face it. Just like I can tell that you are anal because you just don't accept it and leave it alone.I could really care less what your opinion is, we all have one, but please, please, for the love of all that is good and holy, go and look up the definition of fact. Ya might want to look up anal while you're at it(I'll warn you though, that could get ugly).
hbic8u,I know the definition of both fact and anal and that's why I put it here. I believe you are being brain-washed by watching Kate to much :)
momforthekids,I think you drank the GWoP koolaid, like I did not too long ago.Just because you believe something from a tv show and what "other people" say, doesn't mean it's true. I do believe there have been some situations where family members aren't apart of the kids' lives anymore, but I don't act like I know what caused them. Every situation has two sides and the truth lies somewhere in the middle.I just watched The Soup episode again. I laughed. :)
Do you know what friendly banter reminds me of? Those email forwards that go around saying that the person sending it knows someone who said it was true, and that if you forward on the email you will get free dinner at Applebee's/money/trip to Disney World.WHY didn't I forward them ON?! After all, someone on the internet said it was true. Darn. Missed my chance.
Man, I am full of typos lately. I meant to say "Do you know what THIS friendly banter reminds me of?"
Ok momforthekids, you win. I learned long ago that you can't argue with small minded people. Now that I think about it, I'm not surprised by your familiarity with the word "anal". After all, you had to find it to get that stick up there.That must be painful.
Every tv show out there has people who either love it or hate it. Sometimes controversy is good. I remember a few years back when I took a year off from work and got addicted to Food Network and my husband had a stroke I wanted to spend a grand on new pots and pans. I used that controversy to my advantage. Does anyone remember alot of women bashing Giada DeLaurentis for showing to much cleavage? Well I got my husband watching the show as he is a boob man and suddenly it was ok to get my pots and pans and start cooking Italian food. :) I guess my point is some people make to much out of things. I had to stop reading the other blogs 2 days ago when I saw people actually saying they were not going to buy their children certain playsets because (Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!) Jon and Kate had those for their kids. Are you kidding me? Please tell me that they are joking. What in all that is holy does that have to do with anything? People say its not jealousy.... I say BS to that. Im not buying it. Are the kids suppose to have NO toys? I just don't understand. That has nothing to do with child advocacy. And before I get jumped on for being a Kate lover, negatory. I think she has issues but I'm not perfect either. And if play slapping were a crime, I would be on death row right now. Sorry Nina, I didn't mean to ramble on but I just got so upset by reading all the nonsense about kids toys and kate's purses, clothes, etc etc, that I had to let it out.
No problem Monicaw42,You said what a lot of us feel and said it well. I love the picture of your cat!
derbydem,Don't you think that the children wonder what really happened to Aunt Jodi, Beth and the grandparents? Kids don't understand that kind of stuff and their little minds wonder. FACT: Aunt Jodi, Beth and the grandparents are not in the kids life anymore. FACT: Kate hits Jon. FACT: Kate constantly corrects Jon. I could go on and on. Aunt Jodi,Beth and the grandparents were security to the kids, and they don't have that security anymore. To me that is sad. :(
monicaw42 said...I had to stop reading the other blogs 2 days ago when I saw people actually saying they were not going to buy their children certain playsets because (Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!) Jon and Kate had those for their kids. Are you kidding me? Please tell me that they are joking.---------------------------------Have you seen the lastest list of things to boycott?New Hair Institute, V-tech, Grains For Life (The Grain Foods Foundation), Willow Street Pictures, The Gap, EmTanner, Dodge Sprinter, Juicy Juice (Nestle), Johnson and Johnson, Red Robin Restaurant, ADTGymboree, Dutch Wonderland, Disney World, Crayola Factory, Bounce U, Hands On House, Strasburg Rail RoadSesame Place, Gibraltar Restaurant, TLC, Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, Amazon.com, Figure 8 Films, Zondervan Publishers (A HarperCollins Company), Radians Car Seats, Dura-Bib by DEX Products, Thirdpath, Creative Group, Pur Water - P&G, Ads by Google, Media Motion International, Graco, Southwest Airlines, The Canyons Ski Resort, Oberymeyer, Giant Foods Stores, Woman's Day, Live with Regis and Kelly, JDNews.com, Star Magazine, Banana Republic, Grand Wailea Resort, Maui.Good housekeeping, Fox and Friends and Good Morning America.
MonicaW42 said..."Does anyone remember alot of women bashing Giada DeLaurentis for showing to much cleavage?" I wasn't clued in on that whole hullabaloo, but I have heard that the woman on the TWoP boards are as nasty as can be to Rachel Ray. And I don't get it. She's not your cup of tea, turn the channel.The feelings obviously run very very strong. It's pretty clear, for example, that Momforthekids doesn't just "dislike" Kate - she seems to hate her. I am sure she will deny this, but read her writing and it's pretty clear how strong the level of emotion is. Kate has no friends? Where did I hear that before? Hmm. Oh yeah, that was one of Penn Mommy's talking points.AnyaP.S. Giada is georgous. I can see why your hubby liked her! :-)
Nina, Thanks...this is the cat that's getting abused by getting dressed as a chicken for halloween. Jamie,Yes I saw their banned list. I guess they need to ban food and milk as well, after all food is shown on the episodes. I suggest therapy for some of those people. I will never understand it.Anya, yeah I noticed that women really bash other women on shows. And for what? Jealousy....It has to be. And for Giada she is gorgeous. She was in Phoenix last weekend for her book signing and she is sooooo sweet and beautiful. I would hate her but her head is to big for her body so she is "mortal" like the rest of us. LMFAO... but seriously she is adorable in person.
anya,I don't hate Kate, I don't hate anyone. Never did and never will. I just don't care for the way she treats people that she is suppose to love and care about. Like I said before, Christians are judged by the fruits that they sow.
I missed a lot today lol! Momforthekids is this a joke? I don't even know what to say about all your posts, I'm baffled. "You say you have a girlfriend who HITS you on the thigh everytime she has exiting new? I'm not sure what you mean by "exiting" news, but NO ONE should ever put their hands on you in that fashion. That's called ASSAULT."Wow, really?!? Then I should be under the jail bc I'm a total love tapper. I think you might be taking the whole assault thing a bit far. . . Also I do think Jon can speak for himself and defend himself against Kate. All you're really doing is making him look like a huge wuss. I've seen him defend himself many times, he tends to "take it" during interviews, but he's not so guarded during reguala filming, he does bite back, and sometimes he is in fact the one to initiate the bickering. Anyway, I'm sure you will have an interesting response to my comment, that's fine. I just had to comment on the humorous dialogue today :) P.S. I'm expecting the cops to show up any minute!
samanthanc,Once again I have to repeat: Christians are judged by the fruits that they sow, and Kate has sour fruit. Do you remember Tammmy Fay and Jim Bakker? I rest my case.
MomforthekidsActually, I am a Christian. But I'm not perfect, neither is Kate OR Jon and neither are you. And yes we are judged, but by God- not you, or me, or anyone else (at least not in a way that matters.) I'm tired of people pointing Kate out as a "bad" Christian, it's so annoying and it's becoming so typical. Do I think she speaks too harshly at times? Yes. Do I speak to harshly sometimes? YES! Will I endure an eternity of damnation for it? No.
Momforthekids: You wrote: "Christians are judged by the fruits that they sow."But earlier you wrote: "Time will tell what happens to Kate. Karma's a b***h." Interesting, that doesn't sound like the Christians I know. True, those who practice Christianity know that they are judged by the fruits that they sow. But the Christians I know use that as a reminder to themselves not as a strategy to judge others. Not even as a strategy to judge Kate Gosselin.
Kate is what she is, and only she can change herself. She needs to make major changes in her life or she will not have a good relationship with her children later on in life. Kate Gosselin needs a BIG wake up call and SOON.
Momforthekids, The evil monkeys must have brainwashed you like no other. Hate for this show has been going on for months now. Obviously nothing is damaging this show in anyway. If anything all this publicity is helping what you are trying to stop. It take about 2 months or less to tape this show to the time it airs. Yet people are still offering them "freebies" such as the latest baseball game and trip to Hawaii.Also...I would like to know your sources in knowing every detail about Kate. Do you personally know her? Im guessing not...So to ASSUME things are not really FACTS. ASSUMING Kate doesn't have any friends or they never see their grandparents. Please understand that they also live outside of the cameras unlike how most evil monkeys think they don't. Im sure J&K know what's going to be aired before you do. If they had a problem with something that was taped it wouldnt air. And...Why are you such a fan of the Duggars? You might want to do a bit of "research" on them too. Like I said above the "blanket training" is not something they would ever air.Jim Bob is extreamly strict with what is shown on TV.
Like I said before, Christians are judged by the fruits that they sow.It's a good thing I'm not a Christian then! MAN would I be judged....Anyhoo, I didn't think true Christians were supposed to judge? I don't want to make this a religious debate, but for being a Christian (I'm assuming) you're doing a lot of judging.AND we don't know the real reason Beth/Jodi/et al. aren't in the kids lives. We have Julie's version, but that's about it. Like I said, every side has a story and the truth lies somewhere in between. I know my assumptions aren't fact.... and that's where I'll sleep good tonight. The kids are fed, clothed, happier than a LOT of kids in this world, and generally will fair well in life. They might need therapy, but who really wouldn't benefit from it? Humanity is complicated and messy.
jamie,I am not a fan of the Duggar's, but they do practice what they preach, unlike Kate Gosselin. She calls Jon names like you're fat and you're bald. She tells him he breathes too loud and that he rambles on. Please, give me a break and stop drinking the Kate kool-aid. It's brainwashing you.Kate is the evil monkey.
Mom for the kids,I am ending this back and forth. You have nothing really new to add to this post. At this point you are saying the same thing over and over.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain
What do you all think Kate could do to improve her image?
Tripletsmom-Honestly? Nothing! I think she will be criticized for something no matter what. If she tried to change her image she would be attacked for it I'm sure. If we suddenly start seeing a softer Kate I'm almost positive the same people who criticize her for being "hard" would be all over her for changing and insist that it was fake. She's in one of those Damned if you do situations.
samathanc,You are right. I bet her PR people are trying to figure something out for her.
Regarding Giada: It's the only show on Food TV I catch my husband and son watching. They call it, "Cookies and Nookies."Regarding Rachel Ray: Excellent fast meals, but I keep the mute button handy for when she gets annoying.Regarding Christians and their fruits: There were some pretty sour grapes on the thread here earlier.
momforthekids,I am not a fan of the Duggar's,----------------------------------Thanks for having that be the only thing relevant to the questions I asked.
I am fine with Kate's image however it's edited. To some she's sassy, smart, organized, funny. To others she an overbearing, spoiled, unappreciative, nagging, child-exploiting wife and mother. To most, she's anywhere in between. She's an adult. She can live with her decision to be portrayed however. I am more concerned that the kids are portrayed with compassion. I felt that last season there was imprudent editing of Hannah as a favorite, Joel as an outcast, and Mady as a brat. I blame the people in the TV business for trying to drive up ratings by "typing" certain Gosselins (including Jon and Kate.) They were largely successful. To me, it was a mistake. The best thing to do with a mistake is to correct it. I haven't seen the "type-casting" in the newer episodes. I really believe there's been a concerted effort to change that. I do think the parents are sensitive to the criticsm and have responded by influencing that somehow. Of course, I know nothing for sure.Does anyone else see what I've seen?
Saint,I can agree with that. I think they did make a change this season to change some of that. I think the producers are to blame as well for the previous seasons. No one will ever completely agree on the show, however, I am glad that they are showing more kindness with "all" the children. Your right about Kate being an adult an ultimately responsible for her own actions. Sometimes she annoys me but there are other women on some shows that annoy me a heck alot more. Example: The View.... I still see some favoritism for Hannah but after seeing excerpts from the book and her bond with her, it makes sense. Sad...but makes sense. Now as far as Maddie, she has gotten better but now Cara looks miserable alot. Its a no win situation either way.
hbic8u,This is totally off-topic, but I have to tell you that I grin every time I see your "Portrait of Kitten with Citrus Cap." What a precious sweetheart that one is!
Kate claims to be such a good Christian, then why does she treat Jon that way?Can you point me to the places that Kate has claimed to be "such a good Christian"? I've heard her talk about her faith, but I don't think I've ever heard her talk about what a good Christian she is. My understanding of the Christian view is that everyone is a sinner. I think it's unfair to always pick on self-identified Christians for not being perfect, UNLESS they act holier-than-thou (which I have not seen Kate do). Being a good person is something I expect of all people, not just Christians, but I also don't expect anyone to be perfect, regardless of their faith (or lack thereof).They need to be with Jodi, Beth and their grandparents. If it were up to Jon I think he would socialize them more. Kate needs to look at what she is doing to her family. Don't you think that those children wonder what happened to Aunt Jodi and Beth? I'm sure that Mady and Cara wonder what happened to their Grandparents? After all, the Grandparents took care of Mady and Cara when Kate had the babies. Mady and Cara's best friend was Beth's daughter. They don't see her anymore. You know that must hurt those girls, and they will remember that Kate did that to them. What excuse does Kate give those children as to why these people are not in their lives anymore? Please don't make excuses for Kate's bad behavior. It's there and she needs a major attitude adjustment and WE all know it. Those sweet children are the ones that will suffer.A few things: it's really not for outsiders to determine who the Gosselin children need in their lives. I don't think you'd want strangers making that determination for you, would you?Second, I don't know why you put all the blame on Kate. If Kate dominates Jon, it's because he lets her, and they both need to take responsibility for it. If she unilaterally makes decisions for the whole family that he doesn't agree with, and he doesn't say anything, again, he is making a choice and he doesn't get let off the hook just because "Kate decided" (and we don't even know one way or another if she did, in regards to not having certain people in their lives).Regarding Jodi, I think as long as Jodi is gossiping to Julie about the Gosselins, and Julie is gossiping to the whole internet about what Jodi tells her, the decision to keep her out of the picture (if she is out of the picture entirely) is a sound and eminently defensible one.And WE don't all know anything. Just insisting that everyone secretly agrees with you doesn't make it so.
All human beings have feelings, as does Jon. You can tell by his body language that Kate makes him feel bad. People should build people up, not put them down. That most certainly applies to your spouse. Jon has probably been taught not to talk back to women, or he would.If you can't tell that those children have a good time with Aunt Jodi and Beth, then you are drinking the "Kate Kool-aid" along with Kate.1) Of course Jon has feelings, and I have seen him embarrassed by/upset with Kate - the Toy R Us incident, for instance. But most of the time, I think he likes playing the role of henpecked spouse. They have a dynamic that is not entirely healthy or mature, but which seems to work okay for them, most of the time. I would not say that I can tell by Jon's body language that Kate makes him feel bad. I think that's a matter of perception on your part.2) None of us have any idea how Jon was raised and what views were inculcated in him with regards to how to treat women, so I think it's kind of pointless to make assumptions.3) I think the kids had a good time with Beth and with Jodi, but as I said in a previous post, I think Jodi's gossiping with Julie and Julie spreading gossip (and perhaps lies) on the internet has damaged that relationship and made it understandable for J&K to be wary of involving her in their kids' lives. We don't know what the deal is with Beth. I haven't drunk any Kool-Aid; I just have a different opinion than you do. It happens.
I'm sure this won't post, but I totally agree with you. Why in this day and age when divorce is on the rise, does one spouse belittle the other spouse? Kate is an educated woman and should know better. I bet that Mady is in counseling right now. I truly feel sorry for these kids. Kate has no friends and her family doesn't want anything to do with her. They know what she really is like.Wow, I have issues with just about everything you've said here:* Are divorces on the rise? I couldn't find recent statistics, but the most recent I could find, from 2005, indicated that divorce was actually on the decline in the United States.* People shouldn't belittle other people, period. Unfortunately, no one is perfect, not even Jon. He doesn't always treat Kate perfectly, either.* Education has nothing to do with it.* I don't know if Mady is or isn't in counseling, but if she is, good for her. I don't think counseling is a shameful thing. Mady has a somewhat volatile personality and some understandable issues about her family and her place in it; counseling is probably a positive thing for her. I think counseling is almost always a positive thing, so I don't see why Mady being in it (if she is) reflects badly on anyone.* You have no basis for saying that Kate has no friends or that her family wants nothing to do with her. From what I've heard about her family, there are issues that go beyond Kate's behavior (though I don't know if any of that is true or not). I've certainly not heard anything that indicates that the rest of her family is united and Kate's on the outside. Even Bitter Julie stated that Kate's father is difficult and that his children are all estranged or semi-estranged from him. Not everything in the world is Kate Gosselin's fault.
Ack, four posts in a row. Well, that's what I get for being the only one up at 1:00 a.m.I am more concerned that the kids are portrayed with compassion. I felt that last season there was imprudent editing of Hannah as a favorite, Joel as an outcast, and Mady as a brat. I blame the people in the TV business for trying to drive up ratings by "typing" certain Gosselins (including Jon and Kate.) They were largely successful. To me, it was a mistake. The best thing to do with a mistake is to correct it. I haven't seen the "type-casting" in the newer episodes. I really believe there's been a concerted effort to change that. I do think the parents are sensitive to the criticsm and have responded by influencing that somehow. Of course, I know nothing for sure. Does anyone else see what I've seen?I think some of this is true and some of it is perception. Reality tv producers almost always do try to create "storylines", so they may show things that reinforce the "types" that the kids have been semi-sorted into.I never saw Hannah as the favorite, so that's never really resonated with me. I think the perception of Mady as a brat really varies depending on ones' personal experience with a dramatic, emotional child. I think for some of us, Mady's behavior is not particularly outside the norm, and while of course her mood swings can get aggravating (for the parents and even perhaps for the viewer), I've never seen her as a brat. I don't see Joel as an outcast or see that he's been portrayed that way, but he is definitely probably the one that J&K make fun of the most. I have mixed feelings about that. I can see why it bugs people, but OTOH, I don't think it means they love him less - just that he has qualities they find kind of funny and snark-worthy. I don't think it's meant meanly, at all, and I don't think it's something that will have any negative impact on Joel if he is secure in his parents' love. I think it's one of those things that some people just don't "get" - like the "love taps" - but some parents do find their kids' foibles funny and I can relate to that, so I don't judge it too harshly.I agree that I think J&K have taken at least some of the criticisms to heart and have tried to modify certain behaviors. Unfortunately, they aren't given (and probably never will be given) credit by people who have an unreasoning hatred for them. People talk about wanting to see Kate do this or not do that, but they aren't happy when it happens, because then they can't hate her as much, and they are very attached to hating her. So they cry "damage control". She really can't win with the majority of the anti-Gosselin crowd.
Saint, I think that you are correct that it is largely EDITING that is responsible for the negative portrayals of the kids and J&K. What I've objected to is the adamant insistence that K is responsible for this ... that K likes it that M is portrayed poorly, that H is her favorite, that she hates the boys and that J is deliberately excluded, etc.
I don't know if Mady is or isn't in counseling, but if she is, good for her. I don't think counseling is a shameful thing. Mady has a somewhat volatile personality and some understandable issues about her family and her place in it; counseling is probably a positive thing for her. I think counseling is almost always a positive thing, so I don't see why Mady being in it (if she is) reflects badly on anyone.My mom recently told me Mady reminds her a lot of myself when I was a little girl. I can see it too and could have benefited from talking to someone (I had a lot more issues than just being emotional). However, counseling was seen as a negative thing in my family and they didn't really "believe" in it. I'm dealing with a lot of issues now as an adult because I didn't now how to correctly channel my feelings as a child. Counseling/therapy should never be looked at as a bad thing. If anything, it should be looked at as a tool for parents to better understand and help their child through their needs (if they don't have the same type of personality, like my family and me).Honestly, I don't think it would hurt for all of the kids to be in counseling at some point just due to the fact that there are so many of them in such a short age gap. There are probably a lot of rivalries, jealousy, resentment on the twins part, siblings feeling left out, etc (NOTHING having to do with a tv show) and counseling could help them understand how to better handle those situations.
I never read in the Bible that being a Christian cured you of all human flaws. It's unfair to judge a person's devotion based on a personality trait. IMO
I thought is was a funny clip. I don't correct my husband's grammar. However, I do correct his spelling. He doesn't mind. He appreciates it, because he knows it is something he is not strong at.Now whether Jon minds, no one knows but him. But . . .have any of you ever read "Getting the Love You Want"? One of the things pointed out in the book is that people are attracted to their partner partly because that person possesses traits that they don't. It makes them feel "whole" when they are with that person. Over time, those traits that they once found attractive can become annoying. But the bottom line is, J wouldn't have been attracted to K is she DIDN'T have those traits, and if he divorced her, he would end up picking someone else just like her. So I wouldn't worry about Jon. He can take care of himself.
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