I went to that site after you posted. I felt the same way. My New Year's Resolution is to not read the comment section of any of the articles (good or bad) anymore.
I saw the link for the House Make Over on GWOP. It is the make over which took place while Kate was in the hospital. Like I posted on GWOP...
WOW ... Can u say HOT MESS? It still does not make it right for Kate to be rude, and of course not to her own mother in-law. How can Jon allow Kate's issues with his mother to continue? How can Kate continue to not allow her children to know their grandparents?
Maybe Kate should put this on one of her index cards, and hang copies all over the house ... "Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you." Or Maybe Jon can wear it on a T-Shirt
P.S. I still watch the show, my family & I enjoy the kids. :-)
Linda said... How do we know that there is no relationship between Jon's mother and Kate? Because PM said so? Because Super Advocate Julie said so? Because the National Enquirer said so?
Well, no. Because Jon and Kate said so. IIRC, they said that Jon's mother is not a part of their lives because she lives far away and has a full time job.
And in my opinion, not inviting her to their "remarrying" (jeez their vocab really sucks) is certainly an uspoken gesture if I ever saw one.
It still does not make it right for Kate to be rude, and of course not to her own mother in-law. How can Jon allow Kate's issues with his mother to continue? How can Kate continue to not allow her children to know their grandparents?
Do we know any of this for sure? That is what I want to know. Maybe they are not close. Maybe they are. But to we know any of this for sure?
I never really paid attention to how much hate and rudeness were out on the net until today. I was reading another article on John Travolta's son Jett who died and the comments that people were making were uncalled for. Who in the hell calls a child "retarded looking" and now they can devote more time to the prettier child? Are these people for real? And if so, god help them if they have children of their own.
That left me with a really sour feeling in my stomach.
MissThang, The remodel was not to my taste either. I like to think I'd have been really gracious anyway, but I remember being a little emotional post-partum (with singles) so Kate gets a pass for this.
Rufus, I think that explanation was given on TV as an answer to why the viewers don't see them (grandparents.) I may be wrong about that. Anyway, that wouldn't necessarily mean they have no relationship.
It doesn't look good, though. But I thought the extras we did see were gone, too, and two showed up this fall. I'm going to wait and see. I've been fooled enough for one season.
I am looking forward to see if the bloggers got the house right, and whether it is NC, as Julie called it, or PA, as rumored at GWoP.
I think that the reason that I take this allegation that there is no relationship with Js mother because of Ks supposed issues is that we've recently been given evidence that at least 2 of these supposed estrangements do not exist.
i don't know if this has been said or not but supposedly (according to kate's sister) the reason her sister and her don't have a relationship anymore is because kate asked her to choose between her and the parents after their falling out. of course this is her sister's version of the story and she doesn't say why kate doesn't see her parents anymore. it also states that kate does see her other sister and nephew.
Linda basically espouses my feelings on the Jon's mother situation. We know such a small percentage of the facts, it is really difficult to come to a conclusion as to the status of the relationship. Let's be honest - most of what we post (me too!) is opinion and conjecture.
On that note, we have heard on more than one occasion that Jon is in contact with his grandmother (his mother's mother). Grandma is apparently not too upset with the status of the relationship between her daughter and J&K.
Jon's parents were divorced. As a child of divorce, I can tell you most children often end up leaning toward one parent after a divorce. We do know the J&K were extremely close to Jon's father. Perhaps this has put a strain on the relationship with his mother that has not fully healed even though Jon's father has passed on.
that was from her sister's personal blog, before it was simply a religious blog. (google cache is my friend :) she doesn't use kate's name, but explains this situation that is causing her heartache and it's obvious that is the one.
I won't even read the comments on the Seattle article. Not worth my time. Monica's mentioning Jett Travolta reminded me that I was thinking today (after catching up on the ABC board posts, particularly a certain sockpuppet's claim from about a week ago that "a child died") about how horrible it is to lie about the death of a child. I mean, I know it doesn't have any effect on John Travolta's and Kelly Preston's grief that PM lied about her child's illness and death. But still - it's just such an awful, evil thing to do, and hearing about a genuine tragedy brought that home to me again.
As for Julie, her attempts at relevance look more and more pathetic each time she posts.
Julie is defending her own credibility in that second comment. She cannot claim that "privacy" is what she's seeking for the Gosselins (or herself, at this point.) I guess she missed what the "purpose of the blog" is over there. It was supposed to be about giving out "the truth" about the Gosselins...just the opposite of protecting their privacy.
She blames Jon for her mistake about the house. She doesn't address her other famous public mistake, though. I don't think she realizes why her credibility has been called into question.
A poster here, Tyra, raised a point in the past about her that really made me think and reconsider my opinion of Julie: She divulges information about that family that she obtained by being their guest or in their company socially. Or she breaks confidences. That's part of why her credibility is questioned. She seems untrustworthy.
Linda said... How do we know that there is no relationship between Jon's mother and Kate?
Linda, my apologies. When I responded to you earlier, my comment was regarding a lack of a relationship with the family in general. I understand now that you were referring to a falling out with Kate and the MIL that has been referred to/surmised.
I agree that there is no evidence of that. However, I do think it's safe to assume that the relationship between the family and the MIL is, at the least, strained. To blame this on Kate though, would be unfounded.
For some reason, I think I heard Kate or Jon say that the grandparents were not "an everyday" part of their lives. This would mean to me that they may see each other occasionally, but not on a regular basis like some grandparents. Anyone recall this?
Also, let's not forget, we are seeing 22 minutes of their life each week. The episodes usually cover a day or two. There is still plenty of time for them to be seeing friends and family that we don't know about.
She blames Jon for her mistake about the house. She doesn't address her other famous public mistake, though. I don't think she realizes why her credibility has been called into question.
I was thinking that this morning when I saw Julie's comment. She is quick to blame Jon and talks about it being over a year ago that he was talking about it. So how recent is her information and what else might have changed? She wants to set “this” record straight, never mentions PM but doesn't want to be discredited?
If there was vandalism at J&K's old home, that's a shame. I wonder why it was never verified with a police report, they seem to be all over other public records.
Hey Saint the pic is for you. I still am so surprised that you were Curious, so here's my little tribute. I loved reading all that stuff. Awesome intrigue! It's a shame it's real people because I really enjoy the puzzling scenarios.
I have to say that Julie has done a great job discrediting herself. I try to be understanding of the whole "wanting to stick up for your sister" thing but when she vouched for PM then deleted all entries in reference to PM after that blew up I stopped believing that she was really a person whose information I could trust.
IP addresses are an amazing thing, and I have been really intrigued at the abc blog where so many new comments have been made recently. I never commented on anything till I started on here so unfortunately I have no alter ego... *sigh* :).
In the end, PM is a sick person who needs help, and while I do think in some ways Julie thought she was going to help things it ended up going very far the other direction.
Yes her IP address was "captured". Why would that worry you? If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
I'm not perfect but in this blogging world I have no worries of any wrong doing. I used to chat in Yahoo so my concerns were based on those experiences. While an IP is noted on each visit to a site, I think, it is never printed or available unless someone has access to capture that IP am I correct. Do people that have blogs or websites have access to IP's or do they need a special program to see those. When I was in Yahoo people used to boot people from the room. Some people claimed that they could capture your IP and send a virus. Not saying anyone here would ever think of that but since I dont know can that happen? That is all that I by concerns.
Every blog owner and every website owner has access to IP addresses. You can not send a virus to someones computer because you are aware of their IP address. On many different blogs, you can block them from having access to your site by blocking their IP address.
Penn Mommy made the mistake of posting on our website in the middle of the night when no one else was on. That was only one of many mistakes she made.
i went over and read julie's newest comment. here's what really bothers me- i've always been a supporter of julie. i understand why she did what did, although it's not how i would handle things. but it's become apparent to me that she's a regular reader over there. how can someone read the things said over there about the kids if they love those kids? i have a close family member that i no longer have a relationship. i love their child like my own. if went on a message board and saw people saying half the things that are said about the G children, i would want to vomit. it would really upset me. so how can she read those things? how can she align herself with a group that calls a child a "future serial killer"? how can she read that stuff? it has really changed my mind about her.
secondly, i noticed someone talking about vandalism to the G's house. does anyone know what happened? i couldn't bring myself to read the comments to find out. it's sunday- i don't need that kind of stress:)
I used to give Julie a lot of lee way regarding those abusive comments on GWOP. I thought that she must not know about them because surely if she did then she would not align herself in any way with a website/blog that verbally abuses the kids.
But when pressed, she acknowledges that it is okay with her because the comments were for the sake of humor, etc.
She knows how much her sister Jodi loves those kids and yet she does not a have a problem with the GWOPPERS calling them awful names or harassing them.
BTW, the stuff about the vandalism to their house caught my eye too. I don't know anything about it though. Does anyone else?
I think that it is only a matter of time before the someone (on either side -- a hater: to teach them a lesson or a sheeple: to protect them) takes this too far.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I wrote about this earlier on an August 8th post entitled Mob Mentality.
Ok, Merryway, that is very funny. My favorite line of Imaginary William's is when he accused the moderators here of "Scooby-dooing it." Remember that? I really laughed at him then. Anybody who watched Scooby-Doo knows that the teen sleuths unmasked fraud. The "ghost" responsible for the trouble was always just some sockpuppet of the evil mastermind, just like Imaginary William. It was like an admission of guilt. Anyway, the tribute actually belongs to the IP capturing moderators, don't you think? I didn't find anything new. It was all found before Curious asked questions. I actually was looking for a reasonable defense, but in the absence of that, I followed the evidence presented against her.
There are some Wonder Women who remain a little more anonymous, though. Kudos to None So Blind and my personal heroine, Intrigued.
If you're a super hacker who can get through service providers firewalls and your computer but it's highly unlikely to capture your IP address and send you a virus. So no regular people can't do this unless you are an expert hacker on doing this.
Amazing. This Pennmommy thing has intrigued a lot of us but to find out that this "person" is still blogging and trolling is really disturbing.
Sorry to say but my opinion is (if there really is a divorce in the works) that I hope the husband is successful in getting the kids away from his wife. Children should not have to live in a home with a mother who is so obviously disturbed. Don't get me wrong. I have worked in the mental health field a tiny bit and understand that there are so many circumstances beyond a patient's control, etc. But the agency I worked for took a tough line where kids were concerned. I learned the hard way-by watching a mother in a meeting with me (the intern) case workers, a psychiatrist and a psychologist (for her child) pick up a chair and throw it at us. She kept ignoring our recommendation that she have a psych evalulation. Why? Because she knew it would come up with some answers and that her child, who had been hospitalized due to "mental illness" would most likely be taken away. We all had serious doubts about her little boy being mentally ill. Had mom made it appear so? Her actions, over time, certainly made it a very viable theory. She was an excellent liar and incredibly successful at getting my boss to do her favors, like pick her up from work and drive her to the meeting where she threw the chair at us! I was very worried about her son. Her older son had been taken away from her more than once. He was 18 and out of the house. But this little guy, at 11, was at risk.
If this Possum momma person is this unwell her children could be at risk. They also don't need the lack of attention that they must get by someone obsessed with the internet. Obviously, she spends an enormous amount of time weaving these webs of lies and deceit. I have 2 blogs and can barely keep them current every 6 weeks or so. Maybe longer. No, my instincts are telling me that these children would be far better off with their dad. You would think the child advocacy site would agree, yes? That is, if they were a child advocacy site and if they weren't in on the Pennmommy/Possum momma debacle.
And since I mentioned gwop I must say I had to go over and read the comment mentioned here. RIGIDITY? I laughed until I wheezed. It was a hilarious retort to the snarky letter. These creeples truly believe that they can just write to anyone who has anything to do with the gosselin show and they will immediately have succeeded in getting a sponsor or donor to walk away LOL! Instead, this woman lets them have it in her email. It's too hilarious.
After reading more of the stuff about PennMommy I have a question, which no one can really answer. Was it ever really about the Gosselins?
I mean, did she dislike them so much that she wanted to cause trouble for them or was it just a game to find out what she could get away with and how many people she could get riled up?
Did she even care if she was "found out"? Did she wonder if Julie would be upset by someone stealing her thunder, or did she assume Julie would be glad to have someone backing her up?
I guess I wonder the same thing about all the "haters". Are that many people really worked up about J&K, or are they just fun and easy targets on which to take out their frustrations?
By my research on this PM's story back in October I came to a conclusion she's a sad lonely soul who gets some satisfaction by joining various discussion boards and after awhile makes up stories so people will pay attention to her and feel sorry for her. I think her Pennmommy situation would have worked her favor if she waited longer with her son's death but people caught on right away. With all her different identities shes has all over the internet shows the same patterns with the same woe is me. Neither people believe her or they don't. It's a sad situation. I have a feeling it doesn't have anything to do with the Gosselin's and hating them but more of her need to fit in and get attention from anyone who will pay attention her. She was everywhere on the net. I could be wrong but that's what I got from her stories she told on various blogs and discussion boards.
Kikibee said... After reading more of the stuff about PennMommy I have a question, which no one can really answer. Was it ever really about the Gosselins? I wouldn't dare venture a guess except underneath a broad category of parenting. But you might find this link interesting.
Thanks merryway for that link. When we first discovered who Penn Mommy was we read a lot of her site and I think I had seen that. And then of course she shut her site down.
I am not sure what it was about. I personally think a lot of it was about the adoration she received from the people that frequented the site.
But that doesn't explain the motivation behind all of her other "adventures."
Nina, I'm never sure what's appropriate and what's not when it comes to posting a link. I would have thought it best to let the crazy rest, but her show keeps going. Considering how your blog was so unfairly smeared and how far this has gone, is it really okay with you if we talk about pm here? I always feel a little bad when we discuss because you all tried to let it go and rose way above the nonsense going on.
It is ok. She does not want to let it go and she keeps blogging as is evident on the ABC blog.
The main reason we wanted to move on when it first happened was because we were aware she was a real life person with a real family just like the Gosselins. All of the mods agreed on that. I knew that most people were not happy about that but Possum gave people plenty of opportunity on other blogs to talk about it.
And they did. I am very thankful to Curious, None So Blind and Intrigue. And anyone else that did their own research. It really helped our case.
Another reason was that no matter what we said, we could not win. To this day, I still read on other blogs where people say that we stalked her and gave out personal information. That we are horrible, vile and hateful people.
So feel free to talk about it. We can all learn from history. This is a small bit of internet scam history. Who knows, one day we might read about this in a book. I see someone on the ABC board stating that they are writing a book. It should be a good read.
I felt sick on Friday when I read the comments made about Jon Travolta's son. I am a mother of two and could not imagine the lost of a child. More than that I am human and could not imagine saying such horrible remarks about someone's death!
Linda,
Jon and Kate both said their parents are not in their lives. Jon said his mom is remarried and lives far away. He then stated he is not making excuses for her, but she is just "Not an involved Grandparent". Both J&K stated Jon's dad was their " Very Involved Grandparent".
Jon's mom and Kate's parents can not be all that bad, because they were all trusted to watch Maddy and Cara in the past. If they were such horrible people, why would J&K have left the twins with them while Kate was preg. with the tups?
Nina and Merryway, Thank you for that exchange. I was hoping that the moderators here would understand about Curious. At first I didn't care, because I wasn't sure that you weren't being unfair to Possum. But a few links later, well, I knew that the atheists had done the very thing they accused you here of doing...accusing without proof!
On that note...I am hoping Themrs is still reading this thread. I have another question about that "Jason Haas" email: How can you be sure that 3F was behind it? Maybe it was someone else?
Oh thanks Nina, that feels better knowing that. After rereading that PM post I mentioned above to Kikibee, I refined my thinking a little. It seems some baby envy but more jealousy of the attention the parents of multiples receive.
I think we are all sick about comments left on a kid. I guess I kept my head buried in the sand until recently to realize how rampant that is out there. Very sad world we live in. I could not imagine losing a child and then ever reading some of the lowlife comments out there.
I am also glad to see even with all that is going on right now with the continued PM drama and other drama, its nice to see this blog NEVER makes horrible comments on children or the children of people they dislike or don't agree with. I also like how any persons religion or lack of it is never an issue as well.
BTW, I won $300 on the Powerball last night with the power play...woo hoo!! Now I gotta figure out what I wanna do with it. As you can tell I did not win the 90 million or you would never hear from me again as I would be traveling the world :)~~
saint- i emailed her and asked her and she said it was her playing a joke. she got my email address because she was one of the ones who was included in the earlier mass emails, i believe. she thought it was a funny halloween prank. the email address was from jasonhassusc@something or other. it just said "boo".
I am not a very regular poster here, Ive only posted a few times, but for some reason I feel like I'm in with your Utopian Gosselin is Love land and I'd love to play duck duck goose with you guys!!! :).
I'm coming out of lurkdom to say 2 things:
1.) Saint, since you've shown up on this blog I have had a sneaking feeling that you were Curious. I dont know where I got it from, but thanks for showing me my intuition is sometimes right :).
2.) TheMrs, that is a terrible prank to play on people. 3F is a despicable woman in my eyes.
I don't recall reading Pennmommy's blog very often. What I do remember is thinking that something was very wrong. Her tone was odd. It seemed she was using the blog to point her finger at people and give lectures. She was very, very touchy even before she got so creepy over Fiona asking questions. The rest is a blank for me until the story of the hoax hit. I don't know if it is about the Gosselins at all either. They might be a way for her to attract more attention and traffic to a blog. She can post in more places, create more characters to play and enjoy duping people. The satisfaction level must be the jewel for her. Sitting back and thinking that she shined so many people on, day after day as well as the combative responses. I suppose there are all kinds of levels of fulfillment for this kind of thing.
The most amazing thing, to me, is the high presence she has on the internet and all the places she frequented. I am new to card making and scrapbooking. When I read the ABC responses and saw a reference to SplitCoastStampers I was shocked. I was sent over there by my local Stampin Up rep to look for examples and tutorials. Lo and behold, there are message boards where PM posted with an alias (or 2 or 3). Maybe I'm very naive about the internet and the way it serves certain obsessive personalities, but it just shocks me to think about it. And that fact that she is still blogging? Blows my mind!
Thanks for that link, merryway. I don't see how someone who claims to love her own children so much (if they exist), could be a part of something that could cause pain to other children.
About the grandparent situation- In the G's book, all the grandparents were around when the tups were born. Nothing is said directly about any problems with any of them, but stressful situations are discussed. I think it must have been difficult for everyone involved. Who knows how it could have affected their relationships? And, there are lots of grandparents who feel that they raised their kids and don't want to be involved in raising their grandchildren. I read Dear Abby and Ann Landers for too many years not to know that.
Mary, your story about your experience in the mental health field was enlightening and quite concerning. While the GWoP'ers "hearts break" for the Gosselin children, my heart actually breaks for children in the situation you described - stuck with a mentally ill or abusive parent who cannot possibly care for them in a responsible manner.
Missthang, I don't think J&K have ever characerized their parents as "horrible people." We really don't know the present state of their relationsip, although I will grant it doesn't appear to be a really close relationship at this point in time.
I also want to share that Kate brought up her mother numerous times in "Multiple Blessings" and everything she had to say was very positive about her mom and her help and encouragement in getting Kate through her hospital stay, her care of the twins, etc. I don't believe Kate mentioned her father once in the book. My sense is Kate is/was close to her mom and I really doubt their bond is totally broken.
Elizabeth, That's funny. There are so many posters, but I think I recognize other posters over there at ABC and Berlze's place, too. I have actually emailed some people, but so far I have been wrong!
I wasn't really hiding, but wanted to use a "less theist" screen name at Berlze's place. When I first commented on this computer, "Saint" was already set up as the screen name (I share with family) and I used it because I didn't know how to change it. I had no idea I'd be commenting at the atheist blog. I asked a question as Anonymous, but Berlze asked me to use a screen name, so I had to learn to change it.
Amazing. This Pennmommy thing has intrigued a lot of us but to find out that this "person" is still blogging and trolling is really disturbing.
I don't think she can help herself. That said, seeing her comment as "griffin" on the ABC board (I assume it's her or a close associate) pisses me off all over again. It's one thing to lie and get caught - that's bad enough. But to continue to lie when everyone who knows anything about it knows you're lying - the chutzpah is really something.
After reading more of the stuff about PennMommy I have a question, which no one can really answer. Was it ever really about the Gosselins?
I mean, did she dislike them so much that she wanted to cause trouble for them or was it just a game to find out what she could get away with and how many people she could get riled up?
I think she probably does have some dislike for the Gosselins, maybe based on their religious beliefs and their pursuit of fertility treatments. She's played these sorts of games before in other places, though. I'm wondering if she got involved in reading about the Gosselins online because they interest her and then decided that the Gosselin blogosphere would be fertile ground for one of her cons. It was obvious how much the GWOPpers and others *wanted* to have insider info.
Did she even care if she was "found out"? Did she wonder if Julie would be upset by someone stealing her thunder, or did she assume Julie would be glad to have someone backing her up?
I wonder about this too, only because she really did not cover her tracks well at all. I mean, there are people who would have suspected her of being a scammer based on the story she told once "Jason" fell ill, but without the trail she left all over the internet, there would have been a lot less evidence.
Maybe it's like a gambling addict who will just keep pushing until he loses. Maybe losing/getting caught is part of the process for her. I'm not sure how much of it is conscious behavior, though.
I guess I wonder the same thing about all the "haters". Are that many people really worked up about J&K, or are they just fun and easy targets on which to take out their frustrations?
I think it's probably a mixture. I think the old GWOP was run by people who were true believers in the anti-Gosselin cause. The new regime - it's hard to say. There seem to be mixed messages and at times I wonder if they allow outrageous stuff to be posted just to whip people up.
The main reason we wanted to move on when it first happened was because we were aware she was a real life person with a real family just like the Gosselins. All of the mods agreed on that. I knew that most people were not happy about that but Possum gave people plenty of opportunity on other blogs to talk about it.
Exactly. That's why it's a little galling to have people throwing your name around on other blogs as someone who is pursuing a vendetta or contacting anyone directly or posting personal information anywhere. None of that happened.
I'll admit to a tiny bit of schadenfraude over "getting" PM, but unmasking her was its own reward. Really, the main point was just not to allow the charade to continue. It was actually causing innocent people grief.
Jon's mom and Kate's parents can not be all that bad, because they were all trusted to watch Maddy and Cara in the past. If they were such horrible people, why would J&K have left the twins with them while Kate was preg. with the tups?
The grandparents did not change, J&K did.
We don't really know what changed. Taking care of two kids and taking care of 6-8 are very different things, and it may be that the parents didn't want or couldn't take the responsibility.
I have no reason to think there is any extreme strife with either Kate's or Jon's mom. I have heard bad things about Kate's dad, but that was from Julie, whose word should be taken with a grain of salt at this point. But if she can be believed, the father is pretty difficult and is estranged from most of his kids. *If* that's the case, it may be that J&K just got the point where they wanted to limit interaction. It happens in families.
I've said all along - while I don't know the facts in this case, I think in most cases where there is family estrangement, there is probably blame to go around. If there is estrangement between J&K and any of their relatives, I don't think it's safe to assume that it's all J&K's fault, any more than that it's not at all their fault.
Welcome, Elizabeth! Please do post more if you feel like it.
Congratulations, Monica! I hope you spend your winnings on something totally fun and decadent.
Guin, thanks for your comments. I remember being so fascinated to discover that prwins was posting at TWoP and Discovery Health (and other places) about the Gs. There are people I don't like, too, but I can't imagine "running" all over the internet complaining about them. I don't have the energy for that. The idea of concocting all those stories and personas like PM does is crazy to me. Too bad she couldn't put her "talents" to better use. Oh well, I've learned a lot this past year!
In the book, kate states that she was already pregnant with the babies when she was hospitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries. I will pull it out later for the page number.
Oh my, I'm busy today, but those who follow the PM should again check the abchealth thread. If nothing else, to get a chuckle at how poor Berlz keeps getting drug back in. Uhm, didn't both Call and Berlz dive in head first firing blame everywhere without any knowledge other than what their friend had told them?
I have another theory on PM, maybe the sleuths can think on this one and give me their take.
Before I go on I'm the one that pointed out that splitcoast stuff.
Someone here brought up the Karen, Corrine name issue. There is another website related to those of PM's group affiliation. The sister of one is Keryn. The blogger posted about her wedding. (i've been sleuthing too. ;) )
My thought is that this whole thing could have been a set up for the group. To make it look like this woman was harassed by crazy Christians or those who disagreed with her. You know it makes their plight of being the minority that much more believable.
It seems like a possibility to me.
I've lurked here from time to time and enjoy that site, so i hope you don't mind my delurking.
Ani, I read that blog briefly after you brought it up here. I am not sure I understand this...do you think this is another sockpuppet of PM/s?
I have NO DOUBT that "victimization at the hands of Christians" is a common theme among this group of bloggers (the adorers of PM.) I just recently bothered reading through some of the spiltcoaststampers CE thread that is linked to at ABC. It's awful. She is not "harmless."
She is mentally ill, IMO. I doubt there even is a husband in real life. Just another elaborate lie to bring attention to herself.
Without trying to be all "I know something you don't know", I think most of the people who followed the tangled threads that PM wove online have some information that we're pretty sure is true. She has a husband, who is apparently divorcing her, and four kids. That's part of what was so appalling about her online behavior - not just the lies but the ease with which the real person (full name and all) could be tied to those lies and fake personae. She had many pics of her kids online. Some of her lies involved her kids. I agree that she's mentally ill. What she perpetrated as PennMommy was bad enough, but the fact that she's involved her real children in some of her deceptions really disturbs me. The fact that she hung out online with people who accuse the Gosselins of being bad parents is just the cherry on the hypocrisy sundae.
Ani said... To make it look like this woman was harassed by crazy Christians or those who disagreed with her. You know it makes their plight of being the minority that much more believable.
Ani, I think you are onto something. Have you read her adventures with "Tom and Nancy"? LOL!
I think it was Saint (hope you don't mind me stealing this Saint) who referred to the Christians PM routinely encounters as "cartoon character Christians". They are as artificial and over-the-top as possible (not to mention nasty for NO apparent reason).
Ani, nice to see you posting. Hope to see you around!
Wanna know how much this PM thing has messed with my brain? Everytime I see the news headlines about Griffin Bell's death my mind immediately jumps to Griffin from the ABC comments and for half a second I think, "Griffin is in the news?"
Heather, That information is on her own blog, Atheist in a Minivan. She's blogging about it herself. That is why it is now public knowledge. She might be taking it down soon, since she's started to purge the blog of certain posts.
Rufus said...Wanna know how much this PM thing has messed with my brain? Everytime I see the news headlines about Griffin Bell's death my mind immediately jumps to Griffin from the ABC comments and for half a second I think, "Griffin is in the news?"
LOL. I think a lot of us can relate!
On a similar note, I just automatically thought that Marci's gator icon was in reference to Alexis and her alligators.
Duh. Apparently there is a world outside Happy Gosselin Land and there is a bowl game (actually the championship I believe) happening this week. So, go Florida Gators! (For Marci).
Rufus, You're just too funny. I think I am on overload, too. That ABC blog is something else. I NEVER would have expected Berlzie to show up there. Thank goodness new episodes are starting.
i thought of something ironic earlier. one of the things PennMommy seemed to such an issue with was Kate's alleged need to be the center of attention and how when you disagreed with her she would turn on you. sound familiar? hello, pot... my name is kettle and i think you're black"
I just feel bad for PM''s children and the life with this women. She started it and her children will have to pay the price. I just hope PM gets the help she needs. It's a sad situation in which the Gosselin blogworld got tangled in her sick twisted game called her "life".
No I don't think Kazim is another sock puppet of PM's. He is real. What I'm thinking is maybe, this whole PM MiniVan blog was a ruse to stir up, or bring up the "validity" of the claim that Atheist are persecuted by Christians.
I have found PM's claims of being harassed just incomprehensible. I mean of all the blogs, bloggers in the blogosphere why has she been victimized repeatedly. That has bothered me from the begining of the splitcoast encounters and still bothers me.
The fact the Beelzebub and others within that group defended her and are still defending, just makes me wonder if in fact that was the game plan. It just backfired.
Anya-
I think I did see some of that. Honestly, it's all a blur though I mean the stories just repeat don't they. Thank you for welcoming me.
Someone mentioned John Travolta's son here. I just came back from the doctors office and while waiting the news was on and they were discussing this. I just had to shake my head. It's said that another's grief is turned into a media frenzy over an autopsy. This family from what I've noticed not that I'm all up in the movie stars bacon, but really you don't see much of them. They are pretty much out of the lime light. Can't they just lay their child to rest and mourn their loss in peace.
I've been following all the PM stuff and agree with some of you here that her stories were just a little too out there. I remember back when I went to Kate's book signing and did the review of it, someone posted that it just seemed so *real*... because it was (I have pics and a scanned image of the signed book to prove it). Whenever I read something online I take it with a grain of salt-- especially when it either seems too good to be true or if it seems like something way exaggerated.
(As an aside regarding that, I have done the whole online dating thing and was amazed how many guys I talked to had been burned by girls who posted pics that were old, photoshopped, or weird angles to try to get a guy to like them. I also met some guys that did similar things (Seriously-- guys lie about their height!!) so its always interesting to see how someone is in real life after getting to know them online. It was disappointing that people would like so much when all you really want is to get to know them for real. Possum momma may very well be a wonderful mother and sweet person who has been burned by people in her life-- but we will never know that. All we know is that she has lied over and over, conned people, and created hoaxes for attention. Just a sad way to live life.)
Going back to the Julie postings, her blog was the first that I heard of the organic chef. I believe she said personal organic chef, she talked of Kate giving Jodi(?) some crabcakes. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I got that all straight. Anyway, I totally bought into that because I figured that was something she would really know about. IMO J&K only have craft services (I've heard these are fantastic) on the filming days and that was Kate's “chef”. Look how far that rumor has gone and the itty bitty grain of truth behind it.
They sure are busy over there at the ABC board! Geez, isn't it surprising that things are disappearing off her blog? Hello? First, PennMommy's blog disappears, then anything about PM disappears from Shrew, GWP and Julie's blog, now the possum is deleting her own stuff. And, one of the things is about her child being ill with the appendicitis - go figure.
Merryway, Thank You! You are correct about that. I also remember reading about the crab cakes!
We read that story in an exchange in the comments (now gone) at Penn Mommy's World. Julie would come over and "entertain questions." Julie told us that the Gosselins were leaving home for a few days, there was good food in the fridge, Kate asked Julie if she wanted it? Jodi shared it with her parents. They were shocked at the quality and amount left over. She made a point to say how expensive the food would have been to buy at a restaurant.
In other words, Kate is frugal (not throwing out food) and gracious (thinking of her very helpful sister-in-law) and her good deed did not go unpunished.
That's an excellent example of an "insider story" that lacks proof. That organic beef story is another. Julie asked Penn Mommy if it was free. Julie knew Jodi paid for her half, but said Jodi "wondered" if Kate paid or got it free. PM answered...but she just made it up!
themrs said..."i thought of something ironic earlier. one of the things PennMommy seemed to such an issue with was Kate's alleged need to be the center of attention and how when you disagreed with her she would turn on you. sound familiar? hello, pot... my name is kettle and i think you're black"
I think the saying that we most dislike in others what we cannot stand in ourselves has a lot of truth in it....
Ani said..."Someone mentioned John Travolta's son here. I just came back from the doctors office and while waiting the news was on and they were discussing this. I just had to shake my head. It's sad that another's grief is turned into a media frenzy over an autopsy."
I totally agree. These type of events bring out the worst in the media. I guess all we can do is try and not play into it.
Your comment did remind me that I clicked on the blog of one of the more prolific and angry Gosselin haters today and she posted an entire piece of conjecture about the Travoltas Scientology beliefs and the possibility that they may have withold needed medication from their son.
Honestly, I am no fan of Scientology, but can you say: not the time, nor the place.
As you stated, let's show some human compassion and let the family mourn in peace without groundless speculation.
Lizabeth, I am half laughing, half shaking my head at your online dating tidbits. "Weird angles"? LOL. You have to wonder about the mindset of these folks. How do they think this is going to play out once you meet your honey in person?
Mom, the Grace appendix story is gone?...Well, isn't that interesting! (Said in my best Dana Carvey Church Lady impersonation!).
One of the great things about this Penn Mommy business is you forget stuff and then someone reminds you and you laugh all over again:
"Julie asked Penn Mommy if it was free. Julie knew Jodi paid for her half, but said Jodi "wondered" if Kate paid or got it free. PM answered...but she just made it up!"
Someone mentioned John Travolta's son here. I just came back from the doctors office and while waiting the news was on and they were discussing this. I just had to shake my head. It's said that another's grief is turned into a media frenzy over an autopsy. This family from what I've noticed not that I'm all up in the movie stars bacon, but really you don't see much of them. They are pretty much out of the lime light. Can't they just lay their child to rest and mourn their loss in peace.
I think at least some of it is because of the Scientology angle. I am no fan of Scientology, but the story has made me take a step back and look at my own prejudices. We don't know the full story here; the young man just died a few days ago. We may never know the full story. Yet I've already read plenty of speculation about how the parents were obviously trying to cover up their son's autism and were not giving him the proper medication. I don't doubt that Travolta and Preston are deeply grieving at the moment, as almost any parents would. I don't feel right making judgments without evidence or trying to somehow blame them just because I don't agree with their religious beliefs.
Oh by the way- my doctors appt was not due to illness that would require donations. lol Just a case of severely dry skin.
I remember the crabcake story too. And Julie started talking about the personal chef after the Enquirer article mentioned the same (if I remember correctly). Is it safe to assume that Julie was the source for the article?
I don't know if Julie actually spoke to the National Enquirer or if the NE just read her blog (without an interview,) and considered her the source. It is the NE after all.
Was the organic chef in NE before or after Julie's mentioning it online? I think it was all there before I started reading.
Apology in advance: If this has already been answered (on this or other posts on this site) please let me know.
I've heard people claim that Kate said it was "society's responsibility" to help raise her kids. But no one can show this actual comment--or even a slight variation on the comment.
If someone could provide a link to the article in which she SPECIFICALLY makes this assertion, please do. I'd like the actual article that contains the actual quote, with the byline of a news reporter. Claims by an Internet alias on a message board or blog do NOT count.
And yes, I have read the a Reading Eagle article shows Kate/Jon digging their own hole (the one in which the reporter says that Kate called him back asking him not to print what she said regarding the nurses). While that was interesting, it does not quote her as saying it's "society's responsibility" or "society helped to create them and should help raise them" or whatever variation on this claimed comment you like.
If Julie gave the priate chef info out before the NE article, it's possible the reporter just read Julie's blog and comments and wrote the article from that? That way, Julie IS the source, but she doesn't even realize it! I don't think the NE is above printing gossip, and how often does a "family member" (even though she isn't one) blog all this great gossip about a famous person?
Quote: A poster here, Tyra, raised a point in the past about her that really made me think and reconsider my opinion of Julie: She divulges information about that family that she obtained by being their guest or in their company socially. Or she breaks confidences. That's part of why her credibility is questioned. She seems untrustworthy.
I heard my name.:) Yeah, saint, that might be my biggest problem with what Julie does at GWoP. That old expression says that information is power (including status, ego boosts, righteousness, revenge). When anyone invites a person into their home, I think they are entitled to an expectation that the person won't sell what they see or hear in the home. To people who dislike them, or even hate them. Julie has no idea who those people on GWoP are; she can't vouch for them, and she in fact knows that a substantial group of them harbor considerable malice, toward Kate, anyway. Julie has used her real-life tidbits as currency, and traded it at GWoP. On an ethical level: yuck.
Fiona & Saint, Didn't someone up thread say that Julie's comments about the chef were made on PM's blog? If my memory is correct (which is really questionable), the NE article came out before PM's blog did.
In any case, I don't ever remember Julie talking about the chef on her blog. Wasn't the majority of her blog discussing things that we saw on TV (like gumgate) and the whole Jodi didn't get paid/Kevin confronted Kate ordeal?
Most of the *little* things - like the half cow purchase and the crabcakes/chef were all comments on PM's blog.
Am I missing something? Am I remembering completely wrong? Help?
Rufus, Julie also has made lots of comments on GWoP, under the name 'The Truth Will Set You Free'. That could have been where the 'chef' info came from.
"I've heard people claim that Kate said it was "society's responsibility" to help raise her kids. But no one can show this actual comment--or even a slight variation on the comment."
The quote you refer to came from an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, dated May 9, 2005, titled "Mother of Sextuplets Wants Nurse to Stay." It is this line from the article that has received much attention:
"Kate Gosselin said she felt society had a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births."
Her claim that "society has a responsibility" is not about raising her kids, but about retaining the Medicaid nurse beyond the one-year cut-off date, which created lots of response to the article from taxpayers who disagreed that she was entitled to more services when there was no medical need (the tups were all healthy).
You can find the article in the newspaper's online archives, but you'll have to pay to read the entire content. A cached version can be found at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1400462/posts#comment
Tyra said... Rufus, Julie also has made lots of comments on GWoP, under the name 'The Truth Will Set You Free'. That could have been where the 'chef' info came from.
Yes, I am aware of that, thanks. But still, no, lol. I don't remember her talking about it there either.
Thanks Rufus, That's where I remember the comments about the crab cakes and beef from (PM's World.) She was writing in comments. I wasn't sure when the NE article came out...it's agreed that it was before PM started? And Fiona, do you remember any chef stories from Julie before her comments on PM's blog?
"Then a few months after Ellen, I watched them on Oprah. They ran a clip of their "life" and you heard Kate saying her day consisted of "making a meal, feeding a meal, and cleaning up a meal" (x's 3). Where does the personal ORGANIC chef come into that scenario? My parents have actually eaten some of the food prepared for them. They watched Jodi's kids when Jodi was traveling with Kate, and Kate brought up some of the "leftovers" since they were going to be away. Nine jumbo lump crab cakes, and all of sides to go along with it. I think it's great for her that she doesn't have to cook, but why pretend that's all she does all day? Why not talk about something else instead of deceiving the viewers?"
Saint said... I wasn't sure when the NE article came out...it's agreed that it was before PM started?
I just looked it up and the NE article came out on July 28. For sure before PM showed up.
Now that I think about it more and more, I remember when the NE article first came out that it was like a big "NO WAY!" moment for me. I don't remember thinking, "Ahh, now the press has confirmed what Julie said." In fact, I think the NE article came out before Jodi's video was posted and I don't recall GWOP or me saying, "See? The NE is confirming Julie's story so she MUST be the real deal."
LOL rufus! google cache is my friend:) BTW, PM's first entry was sept 8th. my kids call me the queen, my husband refers to me by "she who must be obeyed":)
Hooray for Queen Themrs! Because, MY theory STILL STANDS! (even though I am now on record with a very faulty memory...but we'll ignore that part of it.)
The NE article comes out AFTER the crab cakes story on *cough* not Penn's *cough* but Julie's blog. so the NE reporter could have just been reading Julie's blog and wrote the article from there. It would be considered an "inside source" by NE standards and Julie could truthfully deny she had anything to do with it.
i think you're right on the money saint,no pun intended:) that most likely was their "source" and julie can honestly say she did not talk to them. we should open our own investigative company!
For some reason, I think I heard Kate or Jon say that the grandparents were not "an everyday" part of their lives. This would mean to me that they may see each other occasionally, but not on a regular basis like some grandparents. Anyone recall this?
In the almost 40 years that we have been married, my husband and I have never lived near either of our families. Although we speak to my mom, who is our only living parent at this time, weekly, none of our parents were ever part of our everyday life. This did not mean that we did not love them and that was had no contact with them. I think that Kate's original statement about the grandparents was worded very carefully -- on purpose! We really do not have any way of knowing whether they have any contact at all, but by saying they are not a part of their everyday life, does not mean they have no relationship at all, IMHO.
1) I'm wondering if Possum Momma is deleting all the blog entries that are slightly negative so they are not able to (easily) be used against her in custody or divorce proceedings.
I've heard of custody disputes which (IMO legitimately) considered what was placed on someone's MYSPACE page.
2) The kind of arguing that Julie does to underscore her points is really tedious and actually argumentative for the sake of being that way
For instance, I took down my holiday decorations this weekend which by the way I hate to do. I way relaying the story to my sister and I said, "What a pain. All I did was take down my Christmas Tree and decorations. "
Actually, I did a lot more. My family helped, but we did other things too. Like the laundry, bb practice, karate, etc.
Would Julie swoop in and say that I'm being deceptive?
I've said specifically about that about meals too. "Gosh Honey. I feel like all I did was cook a meal, serve a meal and clean up from a meal."
To which he might say, "Uh honey, we had take out one meal?"
Saint and themrs, Even if Julie didn't speak to the NE and they got their info from her blog, this does not leave her blameless. If you're going to put *hot* information out on the web, it's clear you're hoping that at the least, it makes its way around cyberspace and becomes news. If this is, in fact, how the NE obtained their information, I'm sure Julie was giving herself some serious pats on the back.
NC Resident, ABC news published an article about scams and lying on internet message boards, etc. a couple of months back. There are a number of comments there that tie back to things that have been discussed on this blog and others.
If you are interested, Merryway posted a link on the first page of this thread. :-)
Saint, Rufus, Themrs, anyone talking about the Julie stuff. Oh that's the way it happened. I did think it was on Julie's just because I didn't go to pm's hardly til the end of it. With all the different sites it's hard to always recall where you read it. I always forget about the cache but it definitely comes in handy with all the stuff that pops up n down. Since I believe there's no chef, it's been interesting seeing that rumor start and how far it's gone.
Saint, saw you at Moons; I was disgusted when she used a dying little boy's wish to feed the homeless in her cause against the Gosselins. With that and the prior conversation she had with NMD regarding the PM situation, I discounted anything of value in what she writes other than another study in hatred and occasional martyrdom. Nice effort to get her to do the right thing.
***** ...omg Saint, you are now suspected to be PM. But I heard it was really Kate's PR team, they're all over you know. I saw them when I was driving by her house. I was just started to become a sheeple but then last night I watched I saw she used filtered water and well... you know, now I hate her. Of course, you all feel the same way because you post here. Okay, my tongue is officially stuck to my cheek.
Feel free to discuss whatever is on your mind.
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I went to that site after you posted. I felt the same way. My New Year's Resolution is to not read the comment section of any of the articles (good or bad) anymore.
I think that PM established the drama about her sick and eventually dying son as a way to shield herself from those who'd question her credibility.
And for that matter, it happened. Posters would say,
"How can you even ask that when PM son is in ICU?"
It created a shield . . . a way that no one would dare question what she was saying about the Gs.
I saw the link for the House Make Over on GWOP. It is the make over which took place while Kate was in the hospital. Like I posted on GWOP...
WOW ... Can u say HOT MESS? It still does not make it right for Kate to be rude, and of course not to her own mother in-law.
How can Jon allow Kate's issues with his mother to continue? How can Kate continue to not allow her children to know their grandparents?
Maybe Kate should put this on one of her index cards, and hang copies all over the house ... "Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you." Or Maybe Jon can wear it on a T-Shirt
P.S. I still watch the show, my family & I enjoy the kids. :-)
How do we know that there is no relationship between Jon's mother and Kate?
Because PM said so?
Because Super Advocate Julie said so?
Because the National Enquirer said so?
Thanks Linda,
You beat me too it,LOL!
Linda said...
How do we know that there is no relationship between Jon's mother and Kate?
Because PM said so?
Because Super Advocate Julie said so?
Because the National Enquirer said so?
Well, no. Because Jon and Kate said so. IIRC, they said that Jon's mother is not a part of their lives because she lives far away and has a full time job.
And in my opinion, not inviting her to their "remarrying" (jeez their vocab really sucks) is certainly an uspoken gesture if I ever saw one.
It still does not make it right for Kate to be rude, and of course not to her own mother in-law.
How can Jon allow Kate's issues with his mother to continue? How can Kate continue to not allow her children to know their grandparents?
Do we know any of this for sure? That is what I want to know. Maybe they are not close. Maybe they are. But to we know any of this for sure?
I never really paid attention to how much hate and rudeness were out on the net until today. I was reading another article on John Travolta's son Jett who died and the comments that people were making were uncalled for. Who in the hell calls a child "retarded looking" and now they can devote more time to the prettier child? Are these people for real? And if so, god help them if they have children of their own.
That left me with a really sour feeling in my stomach.
Monica42,
It's depressing out there, isn't it?
Indianprincess,
Good call, it was crazy this afternoon in that comment thread, it doesn't sound any better this late. :(
What the Ks have said is that Jon's mother is remarried, lives a distance away, and has a full-time job.
That is considerably different than Ks "issues" getting in the way of the grandmother's relationship with the kids.
Do we know that J&K did not invite them?
I'm not defending them -- I'm just saying that there are a lot of assumptions that people make.
An equally plausible explanation is that J&K invited them, but that
she could not get time off of work
she does not want to be on tv
etc.,
Rufus,
I agree with the your statement regarding the wedding. Suspect to me. Again, just an opinion.
But the missthang's statement about how can "Jon allow Kate's issues with his mother " -
where did that come from?
MissThang,
The remodel was not to my taste either. I like to think I'd have been really gracious anyway, but I remember being a little emotional post-partum (with singles) so Kate gets a pass for this.
Rufus,
I think that explanation was given on TV as an answer to why the viewers don't see them (grandparents.) I may be wrong about that. Anyway, that wouldn't necessarily mean they have no relationship.
It doesn't look good, though. But I thought the extras we did see were gone, too, and two showed up this fall. I'm going to wait and see. I've been fooled enough for one season.
I am looking forward to see if the bloggers got the house right, and whether it is NC, as Julie called it, or PA, as rumored at GWoP.
I think that the reason that I take this allegation that there is no relationship with Js mother because of Ks supposed issues is that we've recently been given evidence that at least 2 of these supposed estrangements do not exist.
1) Carla
2) Nana Bev
where did you all find pics or video of the home remodel? i'd love to see it, since hearing it was so bad!
http://www.fauxinteriors.com/nbc.php
i don't know if this has been said or not but supposedly (according to kate's sister) the reason her sister and her don't have a relationship anymore is because kate asked her to choose between her and the parents after their falling out. of course this is her sister's version of the story and she doesn't say why kate doesn't see her parents anymore. it also states that kate does see her other sister and nephew.
themrs -
was that from the younger sister's religious blog (something like ruby red slippers) or was that from a discussion board.
Linda basically espouses my feelings on the Jon's mother situation. We know such a small percentage of the facts, it is really difficult to come to a conclusion as to the status of the relationship. Let's be honest - most of what we post (me too!) is opinion and conjecture.
On that note, we have heard on more than one occasion that Jon is in contact with his grandmother (his mother's mother). Grandma is apparently not too upset with the status of the relationship between her daughter and J&K.
Jon's parents were divorced. As a child of divorce, I can tell you most children often end up leaning toward one parent after a divorce. We do know the J&K were extremely close to Jon's father. Perhaps this has put a strain on the relationship with his mother that has not fully healed even though Jon's father has passed on.
that was from her sister's personal blog, before it was simply a religious blog. (google cache is my friend :) she doesn't use kate's name, but explains this situation that is causing her heartache and it's obvious that is the one.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/video.html
I don't know if anyone is interested, but during the break from new shows, my family and I have been watching some of the J&K webisodes on TLC.com.
Some of them are quite sweet and I think show insight into the family we may not witness on the show. Most of the footage is new.
My favorite (so far): "Repeat that Please" with cousin Lissie. Witness two very strong-willed three year old girls locking horns!
BTW,
Julie has posted again on GWOP . . . .
Free discussion thread toward the end
1/03/08 @7:14
And she ends it with some crap about the real issue being giving the kids back their privacy.
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Huh?
And a blog about family feuding does that how?
Anya,
Thanks for that link. I liked "No More Pacies". It was nice to see Kate kissing all over baby Benny. Awwww that was cute. :)
I won't even read the comments on the Seattle article. Not worth my time. Monica's mentioning Jett Travolta reminded me that I was thinking today (after catching up on the ABC board posts, particularly a certain sockpuppet's claim from about a week ago that "a child died") about how horrible it is to lie about the death of a child. I mean, I know it doesn't have any effect on John Travolta's and Kelly Preston's grief that PM lied about her child's illness and death. But still - it's just such an awful, evil thing to do, and hearing about a genuine tragedy brought that home to me again.
As for Julie, her attempts at relevance look more and more pathetic each time she posts.
Julie is defending her own credibility in that second comment. She cannot claim that "privacy" is what she's seeking for the Gosselins (or herself, at this point.) I guess she missed what the "purpose of the blog" is over there. It was supposed to be about giving out "the truth" about the Gosselins...just the opposite of protecting their privacy.
She blames Jon for her mistake about the house. She doesn't address her other famous public mistake, though. I don't think she realizes why her credibility has been called into question.
A poster here, Tyra, raised a point in the past about her that really made me think and reconsider my opinion of Julie: She divulges information about that family that she obtained by being their guest or in their company socially. Or she breaks confidences. That's part of why her credibility is questioned. She seems untrustworthy.
Linda said...
How do we know that there is no relationship between Jon's mother and Kate?
Linda, my apologies. When I responded to you earlier, my comment was regarding a lack of a relationship with the family in general. I understand now that you were referring to a falling out with Kate and the MIL that has been referred to/surmised.
I agree that there is no evidence of that. However, I do think it's safe to assume that the relationship between the family and the MIL is, at the least, strained. To blame this on Kate though, would be unfounded.
For some reason, I think I heard Kate or Jon say that the grandparents were not "an everyday" part of their lives. This would mean to me that they may see each other occasionally, but not on a regular basis like some grandparents. Anyone recall this?
Also, let's not forget, we are seeing 22 minutes of their life each week. The episodes usually cover a day or two. There is still plenty of time for them to be seeing friends and family that we don't know about.
She blames Jon for her mistake about the house. She doesn't address her other famous public mistake, though. I don't think she realizes why her credibility has been called into question.
I was thinking that this morning when I saw Julie's comment. She is quick to blame Jon and talks about it being over a year ago that he was talking about it. So how recent is her information and what else might have changed? She wants to set “this” record straight, never mentions PM but doesn't want to be discredited?
If there was vandalism at J&K's old home, that's a shame. I wonder why it was never verified with a police report, they seem to be all over other public records.
Hey Saint the pic is for you. I still am so surprised that you were Curious, so here's my little tribute. I loved reading all that stuff. Awesome intrigue! It's a shame it's real people because I really enjoy the puzzling scenarios.
No problem Rufus!
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And I love the Wonder Woman picture next to your name merryway!
I agree with merryway - Saint you were quite the cyber sleuth on the abc thread!
Wow this thread has been busy!!
I have to say that Julie has done a great job discrediting herself. I try to be understanding of the whole "wanting to stick up for your sister" thing but when she vouched for PM then deleted all entries in reference to PM after that blew up I stopped believing that she was really a person whose information I could trust.
IP addresses are an amazing thing, and I have been really intrigued at the abc blog where so many new comments have been made recently. I never commented on anything till I started on here so unfortunately I have no alter ego... *sigh* :).
In the end, PM is a sick person who needs help, and while I do think in some ways Julie thought she was going to help things it ended up going very far the other direction.
Yes her IP address was "captured". Why would that worry you? If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.
I'm not perfect but in this blogging world I have no worries of any wrong doing. I used to chat in Yahoo so my concerns were based on those experiences. While an IP is noted on each visit to a site, I think, it is never printed or available unless someone has access to capture that IP am I correct. Do people that have blogs or websites have access to IP's or do they need a special program to see those. When I was in Yahoo people used to boot people from the room. Some people claimed that they could capture your IP and send a virus. Not saying anyone here would ever think of that but since I dont know can that happen? That is all that I by concerns.
Every blog owner and every website owner has access to IP addresses. You can not send a virus to someones computer because you are aware of their IP address. On many different blogs, you can block them from having access to your site by blocking their IP address.
Penn Mommy made the mistake of posting on our website in the middle of the night when no one else was on. That was only one of many mistakes she made.
i went over and read julie's newest comment. here's what really bothers me- i've always been a supporter of julie. i understand why she did what did, although it's not how i would handle things. but it's become apparent to me that she's a regular reader over there. how can someone read the things said over there about the kids if they love those kids? i have a close family member that i no longer have a relationship. i love their child like my own. if went on a message board and saw people saying half the things that are said about the G children, i would want to vomit. it would really upset me. so how can she read those things? how can she align herself with a group that calls a child a "future serial killer"? how can she read that stuff? it has really changed my mind about her.
secondly, i noticed someone talking about vandalism to the G's house. does anyone know what happened? i couldn't bring myself to read the comments to find out. it's sunday- i don't need that kind of stress:)
themrs:
I used to give Julie a lot of lee way regarding those abusive comments on GWOP. I thought that she must not know about them because surely if she did then she would not align herself in any way with a website/blog that verbally abuses the kids.
But when pressed, she acknowledges that it is okay with her because the comments were for the sake of humor, etc.
She knows how much her sister Jodi loves those kids and yet she does not a have a problem with the GWOPPERS calling them awful names or harassing them.
BTW, the stuff about the vandalism to their house caught my eye too. I don't know anything about it though. Does anyone else?
I think that it is only a matter of time before the someone (on either side -- a hater: to teach them a lesson or a sheeple: to protect them) takes this too far.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I wrote about this earlier on an August 8th post entitled Mob Mentality.
Ok, Merryway, that is very funny. My favorite line of Imaginary William's is when he accused the moderators here of "Scooby-dooing it." Remember that? I really laughed at him then. Anybody who watched Scooby-Doo knows that the teen sleuths unmasked fraud. The "ghost" responsible for the trouble was always just some sockpuppet of the evil mastermind, just like Imaginary William. It was like an admission of guilt. Anyway, the tribute actually belongs to the IP capturing moderators, don't you think? I didn't find anything new. It was all found before Curious asked questions. I actually was looking for a reasonable defense, but in the absence of that, I followed the evidence presented against her.
There are some Wonder Women who remain a little more anonymous, though. Kudos to None So Blind and my personal heroine, Intrigued.
Yea, Linda, I am afraid you may be right about this going too far. It's really over the top.
Thanks for clearing that up Nina as for PM it is to involved for me pea brain to understand. hehe
If you're a super hacker who can get through service providers firewalls and your computer but it's highly unlikely to capture your IP address and send you a virus. So no regular people can't do this unless you are an expert hacker on doing this.
I am looking forward to see if the bloggers got the house right, and whether it is NC, as Julie called it, or PA, as rumored at GWoP.
January 3, 2009 8:09 PM
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Julie is recanting that now on GWOP and saying that Jon lied about it! She is furious that people are trying to discredit HER!
It was Julie who said that the G's van and home had been vandalized.
How would she know unless Jodi was giving her this info via Jon or Kate.
Amazing.
Julie is now blaming Jon re: the gossip about the property in NC.
And the vandalism to the house and van are really scary. Although it could be random -- our house was vandalized and we're not on tv.
Amazing. This Pennmommy thing has intrigued a lot of us but to find out that this "person" is still blogging and trolling is really disturbing.
Sorry to say but my opinion is (if there really is a divorce in the works) that I hope the husband is successful in getting the kids away from his wife. Children should not have to live in a home with a mother who is so obviously disturbed. Don't get me wrong. I have worked in the mental health field a tiny bit and understand that there are so many circumstances beyond a patient's control, etc. But the agency I worked for took a tough line where kids were concerned. I learned the hard way-by watching a mother in a meeting with me (the intern) case workers, a psychiatrist and a psychologist (for her child) pick up a chair and throw it at us. She kept ignoring our recommendation that she have a psych evalulation. Why? Because she knew it would come up with some answers and that her child, who had been hospitalized due to "mental illness" would most likely be taken away. We all had serious doubts about her little boy being mentally ill. Had mom made it appear so? Her actions, over time, certainly made it a very viable theory.
She was an excellent liar and incredibly successful at getting my boss to do her favors, like pick her up from work and drive her to the meeting where she threw the chair at us! I was very worried about her son. Her older son had been taken away from her more than once. He was 18 and out of the house. But this little guy, at 11, was at risk.
If this Possum momma person is this unwell her children could be at risk. They also don't need the lack of attention that they must get by someone obsessed with the internet. Obviously, she spends an enormous amount of time weaving these webs of lies and deceit. I have 2 blogs and can barely keep them current every 6 weeks or so. Maybe longer. No, my instincts are telling me that these children would be far better off with their dad. You would think the child advocacy site would agree, yes? That is, if they were a child advocacy site and if they weren't in on the Pennmommy/Possum momma debacle.
And since I mentioned gwop I must say I had to go over and read the comment mentioned here. RIGIDITY? I laughed until I wheezed. It was a hilarious retort to the snarky letter. These creeples truly believe that they can just write to anyone who has anything to do with the gosselin show and they will immediately have succeeded in getting a sponsor or donor to walk away LOL! Instead, this woman lets them have it in her email. It's too hilarious.
After reading more of the stuff about PennMommy I have a question, which no one can really answer.
Was it ever really about the Gosselins?
I mean, did she dislike them so much that she wanted to cause trouble for them or was it just a game to find out what she could get away with and how many people she could get riled up?
Did she even care if she was "found out"? Did she wonder if Julie would be upset by someone stealing her thunder, or did she assume Julie would be glad to have someone backing her up?
I guess I wonder the same thing about all the "haters". Are that many people really worked up about J&K, or are they just fun and easy targets on which to take out their frustrations?
By my research on this PM's story back in October I came to a conclusion she's a sad lonely soul who gets some satisfaction by joining various discussion boards and after awhile makes up stories so people will pay attention to her and feel sorry for her. I think her Pennmommy situation would have worked her favor if she waited longer with her son's death but people caught on right away. With all her different identities shes has all over the internet shows the same patterns with the same woe is me. Neither people believe her or they don't. It's a sad situation. I have a feeling it doesn't have anything to do with the Gosselin's and hating them but more of her need to fit in and get attention from anyone who will pay attention her. She was everywhere on the net. I could be wrong but that's what I got from her stories she told on various blogs and discussion boards.
Kikibee said...
After reading more of the stuff about PennMommy I have a question, which no one can really answer.
Was it ever really about the Gosselins?
I wouldn't dare venture a guess except underneath a broad category of parenting. But you might find this link interesting.
http://possummomma.blogspot.com/2008/08/egyptian-septuplets.html
When I read the above link, what jumps out at me is “baby envy”. Maybe there are no children.
It all gives me the willies because usually the things I analyze like this are people who are safely away from society.
Thanks merryway for that link. When we first discovered who Penn Mommy was we read a lot of her site and I think I had seen that. And then of course she shut her site down.
I am not sure what it was about. I personally think a lot of it was about the adoration she received from the people that frequented the site.
But that doesn't explain the motivation behind all of her other
"adventures."
Nina, I'm never sure what's appropriate and what's not when it comes to posting a link. I would have thought it best to let the crazy rest, but her show keeps going.
Considering how your blog was so unfairly smeared and how far this has gone, is it really okay with you if we talk about pm here? I always feel a little bad when we discuss because you all tried to let it go and rose way above the nonsense going on.
Merryway,
It is ok. She does not want to let it go and she keeps blogging as is evident on the ABC blog.
The main reason we wanted to move on when it first happened was because we were aware she was a real life person with a real family just like the Gosselins. All of the mods agreed on that. I knew that most people were not happy about that but Possum gave people plenty of opportunity on other blogs to talk about it.
And they did. I am very thankful to Curious, None So Blind and Intrigue. And anyone else that did their own research. It really helped our case.
Another reason was that no matter what we said, we could not win. To this day, I still read on other blogs where people say that we stalked her and gave out personal information. That we are horrible, vile and hateful people.
So feel free to talk about it. We can all learn from history. This is a small bit of internet scam history. Who knows, one day we might read about this in a book. I see someone on the ABC board stating that they are writing a book. It should be a good read.
Monica W42,
I felt sick on Friday when I read the comments made about Jon Travolta's son. I am a mother of two and could not imagine the lost of a child. More than that I am human and could not imagine saying such horrible remarks about someone's death!
Linda,
Jon and Kate both said their parents are not in their lives. Jon said his mom is remarried and lives far away. He then stated he is not making excuses for her, but she is just "Not an involved Grandparent". Both J&K stated Jon's dad was their " Very Involved Grandparent".
Jon's mom and Kate's parents can not be all that bad, because they were all trusted to watch Maddy and Cara in the past. If they were such horrible people, why would J&K have left the twins with them while Kate was preg. with the tups?
The grandparents did not change, J&K did.
Nina and Merryway,
Thank you for that exchange. I was hoping that the moderators here would understand about Curious. At first I didn't care, because I wasn't sure that you weren't being unfair to Possum. But a few links later, well, I knew that the atheists had done the very thing they accused you here of doing...accusing without proof!
On that note...I am hoping Themrs is still reading this thread. I have another question about that "Jason Haas" email: How can you be sure that 3F was behind it? Maybe it was someone else?
Oh thanks Nina, that feels better knowing that.
After rereading that PM post I mentioned above to Kikibee, I refined my thinking a little. It seems some baby envy but more jealousy of the attention the parents of multiples receive.
Missthang,
I think we are all sick about comments left on a kid. I guess I kept my head buried in the sand until recently to realize how rampant that is out there. Very sad world we live in. I could not imagine losing a child and then ever reading some of the lowlife comments out there.
I am also glad to see even with all that is going on right now with the continued PM drama and other drama, its nice to see this blog NEVER makes horrible comments on children or the children of people they dislike or don't agree with. I also like how any persons religion or lack of it is never an issue as well.
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MonicaW42, congrats on your win. I won $50 once when I was old enough to buy scratch tickets and thought I was rich..lol
Thanks I.P lol, in this economy any amount and it's "I'm rich *itch". Sorry, love the Dave Chapelle show.
Sadder, it's not even enough to cover my car tags in February :(
Monica42,
Lucky! Blessed? Whatever...enjoy it.
saint- i emailed her and asked her and she said it was her playing a joke. she got my email address because she was one of the ones who was included in the earlier mass emails, i believe. she thought it was a funny halloween prank. the email address was from jasonhassusc@something or other. it just said "boo".
Did anyone read this weeks People dated 1-12-09? In the very back is pictures of poodles that have been hair dyed, etc...
One looks like a buffalo.... My dog would commit Japanese Seppuku (honorable suicide) if I did that to him.
I am not a very regular poster here, Ive only posted a few times, but for some reason I feel like I'm in with your Utopian Gosselin is Love land and I'd love to play duck duck goose with you guys!!! :).
I'm coming out of lurkdom to say 2 things:
1.) Saint, since you've shown up on this blog I have had a sneaking feeling that you were Curious. I dont know where I got it from, but thanks for showing me my intuition is sometimes right :).
2.) TheMrs, that is a terrible prank to play on people. 3F is a despicable woman in my eyes.
I don't recall reading Pennmommy's blog very often. What I do remember is thinking that something was very wrong. Her tone was odd. It seemed she was using the blog to point her finger at people and give lectures. She was very, very touchy even before she got so creepy over Fiona asking questions. The rest is a blank for me until the story of the hoax hit. I don't know if it is about the Gosselins at all either. They might be a way for her to attract more attention and traffic to a blog. She can post in more places, create more characters to play and enjoy duping people. The satisfaction level must be the jewel for her. Sitting back and thinking that she shined so many people on, day after day as well as the combative responses. I suppose there are all kinds of levels of fulfillment for this kind of thing.
The most amazing thing, to me, is the high presence she has on the internet and all the places she frequented. I am new to card making and scrapbooking. When I read the ABC responses and saw a reference to SplitCoastStampers I was shocked. I was sent over there by my local Stampin Up rep to look for examples and tutorials. Lo and behold, there are message boards where PM posted with an alias (or 2 or 3). Maybe I'm very naive about the internet and the way it serves certain obsessive personalities, but it just shocks me to think about it. And that fact that she is still blogging?
Blows my mind!
Elizabeth
I am glad you delurked. Please drop by more often
Thanks for that link, merryway.
I don't see how someone who claims to love her own children so much (if they exist), could be a part of something that could cause pain to other children.
About the grandparent situation-
In the G's book, all the grandparents were around when the tups were born. Nothing is said directly about any problems with any of them, but stressful situations are discussed. I think it must have been difficult for everyone involved. Who knows how it could have affected their relationships? And, there are lots of grandparents who feel that they raised their kids and don't want to be involved in raising their grandchildren. I read Dear Abby and Ann Landers for too many years not to know that.
Mary, your story about your experience in the mental health field was enlightening and quite concerning. While the GWoP'ers "hearts break" for the Gosselin children, my heart actually breaks for children in the situation you described - stuck with a mentally ill or abusive parent who cannot possibly care for them in a responsible manner.
Missthang, I don't think J&K have ever characerized their parents as "horrible people." We really don't know the present state of their relationsip, although I will grant it doesn't appear to be a really close relationship at this point in time.
I also want to share that Kate brought up her mother numerous times in "Multiple Blessings" and everything she had to say was very positive about her mom and her help and encouragement in getting Kate through her hospital stay, her care of the twins, etc. I don't believe Kate mentioned her father once in the book. My sense is Kate is/was close to her mom and I really doubt their bond is totally broken.
Sorry, those deleted comments were on the wrong thread.
Elizabeth,
That's funny. There are so many posters, but I think I recognize other posters over there at ABC and Berlze's place, too. I have actually emailed some people, but so far I have been wrong!
I wasn't really hiding, but wanted to use a "less theist" screen name at Berlze's place. When I first commented on this computer, "Saint" was already set up as the screen name (I share with family) and I used it because I didn't know how to change it. I had no idea I'd be commenting at the atheist blog. I asked a question as Anonymous, but Berlze asked me to use a screen name, so I had to learn to change it.
Amazing. This Pennmommy thing has intrigued a lot of us but to find out that this "person" is still blogging and trolling is really disturbing.
I don't think she can help herself. That said, seeing her comment as "griffin" on the ABC board (I assume it's her or a close associate) pisses me off all over again. It's one thing to lie and get caught - that's bad enough. But to continue to lie when everyone who knows anything about it knows you're lying - the chutzpah is really something.
After reading more of the stuff about PennMommy I have a question, which no one can really answer.
Was it ever really about the Gosselins?
I mean, did she dislike them so much that she wanted to cause trouble for them or was it just a game to find out what she could get away with and how many people she could get riled up?
I think she probably does have some dislike for the Gosselins, maybe based on their religious beliefs and their pursuit of fertility treatments. She's played these sorts of games before in other places, though. I'm wondering if she got involved in reading about the Gosselins online because they interest her and then decided that the Gosselin blogosphere would be fertile ground for one of her cons. It was obvious how much the GWOPpers and others *wanted* to have insider info.
Did she even care if she was "found out"? Did she wonder if Julie would be upset by someone stealing her thunder, or did she assume Julie would be glad to have someone backing her up?
I wonder about this too, only because she really did not cover her tracks well at all. I mean, there are people who would have suspected her of being a scammer based on the story she told once "Jason" fell ill, but without the trail she left all over the internet, there would have been a lot less evidence.
Maybe it's like a gambling addict who will just keep pushing until he loses. Maybe losing/getting caught is part of the process for her. I'm not sure how much of it is conscious behavior, though.
I guess I wonder the same thing about all the "haters". Are that many people really worked up about J&K, or are they just fun and easy targets on which to take out their frustrations?
I think it's probably a mixture. I think the old GWOP was run by people who were true believers in the anti-Gosselin cause. The new regime - it's hard to say. There seem to be mixed messages and at times I wonder if they allow outrageous stuff to be posted just to whip people up.
The main reason we wanted to move on when it first happened was because we were aware she was a real life person with a real family just like the Gosselins. All of the mods agreed on that. I knew that most people were not happy about that but Possum gave people plenty of opportunity on other blogs to talk about it.
Exactly. That's why it's a little galling to have people throwing your name around on other blogs as someone who is pursuing a vendetta or contacting anyone directly or posting personal information anywhere. None of that happened.
I'll admit to a tiny bit of schadenfraude over "getting" PM, but unmasking her was its own reward. Really, the main point was just not to allow the charade to continue. It was actually causing innocent people grief.
Jon's mom and Kate's parents can not be all that bad, because they were all trusted to watch Maddy and Cara in the past. If they were such horrible people, why would J&K have left the twins with them while Kate was preg. with the tups?
The grandparents did not change, J&K did.
We don't really know what changed. Taking care of two kids and taking care of 6-8 are very different things, and it may be that the parents didn't want or couldn't take the responsibility.
I have no reason to think there is any extreme strife with either Kate's or Jon's mom. I have heard bad things about Kate's dad, but that was from Julie, whose word should be taken with a grain of salt at this point. But if she can be believed, the father is pretty difficult and is estranged from most of his kids. *If* that's the case, it may be that J&K just got the point where they wanted to limit interaction. It happens in families.
I've said all along - while I don't know the facts in this case, I think in most cases where there is family estrangement, there is probably blame to go around. If there is estrangement between J&K and any of their relatives, I don't think it's safe to assume that it's all J&K's fault, any more than that it's not at all their fault.
Welcome, Elizabeth! Please do post more if you feel like it.
Congratulations, Monica! I hope you spend your winnings on something totally fun and decadent.
MonincaW42
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Guin, thanks for your comments.
I remember being so fascinated to discover that prwins was posting at TWoP and Discovery Health (and other places) about the Gs. There are people I don't like, too, but I can't imagine "running" all over the internet complaining about them. I don't have the energy for that. The idea of concocting all those stories and personas like PM does is crazy to me. Too bad she couldn't put her "talents" to better use. Oh well, I've learned a lot this past year!
In the book, kate states that she was already pregnant with the babies when she was hospitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries. I will pull it out later for the page number.
Quote -- This Pennmommy thing has intrigued a lot of us but to find out that this "person" is still blogging and trolling is really disturbing.
She is mentally ill, IMO. I doubt there even is a husband in real life. Just another elaborate lie to bring attention to herself.
Parts of the PM blog are gone now. All the welcome back stuff and more, it's quite dwindled.
Oh my, I'm busy today, but those who follow the PM should again check the abchealth thread. If nothing else, to get a chuckle at how poor Berlz keeps getting drug back in. Uhm, didn't both Call and Berlz dive in head first firing blame everywhere without any knowledge other than what their friend had told them?
The abc thread is quite busy today. Thanks merryway for pointing that out for us.
I have another theory on PM, maybe the sleuths can think on this one and give me their take.
Before I go on I'm the one that pointed out that splitcoast stuff.
Someone here brought up the Karen, Corrine name issue. There is another website related to those of PM's group affiliation. The sister of one is Keryn. The blogger posted about her wedding. (i've been sleuthing too. ;) )
My thought is that this whole thing could have been a set up for the group. To make it look like this woman was harassed by crazy Christians or those who disagreed with her. You know it makes their plight of being the minority that much more believable.
It seems like a possibility to me.
I've lurked here from time to time and enjoy that site, so i hope you don't mind my delurking.
Ani, I read that blog briefly after you brought it up here. I am not sure I understand this...do you think this is another sockpuppet of PM/s?
I have NO DOUBT that "victimization at the hands of Christians" is a common theme among this group of bloggers (the adorers of PM.) I just recently bothered reading through some of the spiltcoaststampers CE thread that is linked to at ABC. It's awful. She is not "harmless."
She is mentally ill, IMO. I doubt there even is a husband in real life. Just another elaborate lie to bring attention to herself.
Without trying to be all "I know something you don't know", I think most of the people who followed the tangled threads that PM wove online have some information that we're pretty sure is true. She has a husband, who is apparently divorcing her, and four kids. That's part of what was so appalling about her online behavior - not just the lies but the ease with which the real person (full name and all) could be tied to those lies and fake personae. She had many pics of her kids online. Some of her lies involved her kids. I agree that she's mentally ill. What she perpetrated as PennMommy was bad enough, but the fact that she's involved her real children in some of her deceptions really disturbs me. The fact that she hung out online with people who accuse the Gosselins of being bad parents is just the cherry on the hypocrisy sundae.
Ani said... To make it look like this woman was harassed by crazy Christians or those who disagreed with her. You know it makes their plight of being the minority that much more believable.
Ani, I think you are onto something. Have you read her adventures with "Tom and Nancy"? LOL!
I think it was Saint (hope you don't mind me stealing this Saint) who referred to the Christians PM routinely encounters as "cartoon character Christians". They are as artificial and over-the-top as possible (not to mention nasty for NO apparent reason).
Ani, nice to see you posting. Hope to see you around!
Wanna know how much this PM thing has messed with my brain? Everytime I see the news headlines about Griffin Bell's death my mind immediately jumps to Griffin from the ABC comments and for half a second I think, "Griffin is in the news?"
Pathetic. I know.
I've seen a couple of references to PM's husband divorcing her. I skimmed the ABC blog but didn't seen anything about that. What's the scoop?
Heather,
That information is on her own blog, Atheist in a Minivan. She's blogging about it herself. That is why it is now public knowledge. She might be taking it down soon, since she's started to purge the blog of certain posts.
"The fact that she hung out online with people who accuse the Gosselins of being bad parents is just the cherry on the hypocrisy sundae."
ITA Guin. What disturbs me further is that she thinks it's OK to do this.
Rufus said...Wanna know how much this PM thing has messed with my brain? Everytime I see the news headlines about Griffin Bell's death my mind immediately jumps to Griffin from the ABC comments and for half a second I think, "Griffin is in the news?"
LOL. I think a lot of us can relate!
On a similar note, I just automatically thought that Marci's gator icon was in reference to Alexis and her alligators.
Duh. Apparently there is a world outside Happy Gosselin Land and there is a bowl game (actually the championship I believe) happening this week. So, go Florida Gators! (For Marci).
Thanks Saint. Very interesting.
Rufus,
You're just too funny. I think I am on overload, too. That ABC blog is something else. I NEVER would have expected Berlzie to show up there. Thank goodness new episodes are starting.
i thought of something ironic earlier. one of the things PennMommy seemed to such an issue with was Kate's alleged need to be the center of attention and how when you disagreed with her she would turn on you. sound familiar? hello, pot... my name is kettle and i think you're black"
I just feel bad for PM''s children and the life with this women. She started it and her children will have to pay the price. I just hope PM gets the help she needs. It's a sad situation in which the Gosselin blogworld got tangled in her sick twisted game called her "life".
Saint-
No I don't think Kazim is another sock puppet of PM's. He is real. What I'm thinking is maybe, this whole PM MiniVan blog was a ruse to stir up, or bring up the "validity" of the claim that Atheist are persecuted by Christians.
I have found PM's claims of being harassed just incomprehensible. I mean of all the blogs, bloggers in the blogosphere why has she been victimized repeatedly. That has bothered me from the begining of the splitcoast encounters and still bothers me.
The fact the Beelzebub and others within that group defended her and are still defending, just makes me wonder if in fact that was the game plan. It just backfired.
Anya-
I think I did see some of that. Honestly, it's all a blur though I mean the stories just repeat don't they. Thank you for welcoming me.
Someone mentioned John Travolta's son here. I just came back from the doctors office and while waiting the news was on and they were discussing this. I just had to shake my head. It's said that another's grief is turned into a media frenzy over an autopsy. This family from what I've noticed not that I'm all up in the movie stars bacon, but really you don't see much of them. They are pretty much out of the lime light. Can't they just lay their child to rest and mourn their loss in peace.
Oh by the way- my doctors appt was not due to illness that would require donations. lol Just a case of severely dry skin.
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Ani that is hilarious :).
I've been following all the PM stuff and agree with some of you here that her stories were just a little too out there. I remember back when I went to Kate's book signing and did the review of it, someone posted that it just seemed so *real*... because it was (I have pics and a scanned image of the signed book to prove it). Whenever I read something online I take it with a grain of salt-- especially when it either seems too good to be true or if it seems like something way exaggerated.
(As an aside regarding that, I have done the whole online dating thing and was amazed how many guys I talked to had been burned by girls who posted pics that were old, photoshopped, or weird angles to try to get a guy to like them. I also met some guys that did similar things (Seriously-- guys lie about their height!!) so its always interesting to see how someone is in real life after getting to know them online. It was disappointing that people would like so much when all you really want is to get to know them for real. Possum momma may very well be a wonderful mother and sweet person who has been burned by people in her life-- but we will never know that. All we know is that she has lied over and over, conned people, and created hoaxes for attention. Just a sad way to live life.)
Going back to the Julie postings, her blog was the first that I heard of the organic chef. I believe she said personal organic chef, she talked of Kate giving Jodi(?) some crabcakes. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I got that all straight. Anyway, I totally bought into that because I figured that was something she would really know about. IMO J&K only have craft services (I've heard these are fantastic) on the filming days and that was Kate's “chef”. Look how far that rumor has gone and the itty bitty grain of truth behind it.
They sure are busy over there at the ABC board! Geez, isn't it surprising that things are disappearing off her blog? Hello? First, PennMommy's blog disappears, then anything about PM disappears from Shrew, GWP and Julie's blog, now the possum is deleting her own stuff. And, one of the things is about her child being ill with the appendicitis - go figure.
Shaking head.
Merryway,
Thank You! You are correct about that. I also remember reading about the crab cakes!
We read that story in an exchange in the comments (now gone) at Penn Mommy's World. Julie would come over and "entertain questions." Julie told us that the Gosselins were leaving home for a few days, there was good food in the fridge, Kate asked Julie if she wanted it? Jodi shared it with her parents. They were shocked at the quality and amount left over. She made a point to say how expensive the food would have been to buy at a restaurant.
In other words, Kate is frugal (not throwing out food) and gracious (thinking of her very helpful sister-in-law) and her good deed did not go unpunished.
That's an excellent example of an "insider story" that lacks proof. That organic beef story is another. Julie asked Penn Mommy if it was free. Julie knew Jodi paid for her half, but said Jodi "wondered" if Kate paid or got it free. PM answered...but she just made it up!
themrs said..."i thought of something ironic earlier. one of the things PennMommy seemed to such an issue with was Kate's alleged need to be the center of attention and how when you disagreed with her she would turn on you. sound familiar? hello, pot... my name is kettle and i think you're black"
I think the saying that we most dislike in others what we cannot stand in ourselves has a lot of truth in it....
Ani said..."Someone mentioned John Travolta's son here. I just came back from the doctors office and while waiting the news was on and they were discussing this. I just had to shake my head. It's sad that another's grief is turned into a media frenzy over an autopsy."
I totally agree. These type of events bring out the worst in the media. I guess all we can do is try and not play into it.
Your comment did remind me that I clicked on the blog of one of the more prolific and angry Gosselin haters today and she posted an entire piece of conjecture about the Travoltas Scientology beliefs and the possibility that they may have withold needed medication from their son.
Honestly, I am no fan of Scientology, but can you say: not the time, nor the place.
As you stated, let's show some human compassion and let the family mourn in peace without groundless speculation.
Lizabeth, I am half laughing, half shaking my head at your online dating tidbits. "Weird angles"? LOL. You have to wonder about the mindset of these folks. How do they think this is going to play out once you meet your honey in person?
Mom, the Grace appendix story is gone?...Well, isn't that interesting! (Said in my best Dana Carvey Church Lady impersonation!).
One of the great things about this Penn Mommy business is you forget stuff and then someone reminds you and you laugh all over again:
"Julie asked Penn Mommy if it was free. Julie knew Jodi paid for her half, but said Jodi "wondered" if Kate paid or got it free. PM answered...but she just made it up!"
Thanks, Saint! :-)
Someone mentioned John Travolta's son here. I just came back from the doctors office and while waiting the news was on and they were discussing this. I just had to shake my head. It's said that another's grief is turned into a media frenzy over an autopsy. This family from what I've noticed not that I'm all up in the movie stars bacon, but really you don't see much of them. They are pretty much out of the lime light. Can't they just lay their child to rest and mourn their loss in peace.
I think at least some of it is because of the Scientology angle. I am no fan of Scientology, but the story has made me take a step back and look at my own prejudices. We don't know the full story here; the young man just died a few days ago. We may never know the full story. Yet I've already read plenty of speculation about how the parents were obviously trying to cover up their son's autism and were not giving him the proper medication. I don't doubt that Travolta and Preston are deeply grieving at the moment, as almost any parents would. I don't feel right making judgments without evidence or trying to somehow blame them just because I don't agree with their religious beliefs.
Oh by the way- my doctors appt was not due to illness that would require donations. lol Just a case of severely dry skin.
Are you sure? Lubriderm can be expensive!
Oh by the way- my doctors appt was not due to illness that would require donations. lol Just a case of severely dry skin.
Are you sure? Lubriderm can be expensive!
lol, okay diet pepsi hurts coming out of my nose. So funny!
Victor
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I remember the crabcake story too. And Julie started talking about the personal chef after the Enquirer article mentioned the same (if I remember correctly). Is it safe to assume that Julie was the source for the article?
I don't know if Julie actually spoke to the National Enquirer or if the NE just read her blog (without an interview,) and considered her the source. It is the NE after all.
Was the organic chef in NE before or after Julie's mentioning it online? I think it was all there before I started reading.
Apology in advance: If this has already been answered (on this or other posts on this site) please let me know.
I've heard people claim that Kate said it was "society's responsibility" to help raise her kids. But no one can show this actual comment--or even a slight variation on the comment.
If someone could provide a link to the article in which she SPECIFICALLY makes this assertion, please do. I'd like the actual article that contains the actual quote, with the byline of a news reporter. Claims by an Internet alias on a message board or blog do NOT count.
And yes, I have read the a Reading Eagle article shows Kate/Jon digging their own hole (the one in which the reporter says that Kate called him back asking him not to print what she said regarding the nurses). While that was interesting, it does not quote her as saying it's "society's responsibility" or "society helped to create them and should help raise them" or whatever variation on this claimed comment you like.
Thanks!
There is an actual quote...I did read it. It was around the time when she was trying to get Penn to fund her private nurse for another year.
Saint,
Julie was the one who told us about the private chef and it was before the NE article.
If Julie gave the priate chef info out before the NE article, it's possible the reporter just read Julie's blog and comments and wrote the article from that? That way, Julie IS the source, but she doesn't even realize it! I don't think the NE is above printing gossip, and how often does a "family member" (even though she isn't one) blog all this great gossip about a famous person?
Quote:
A poster here, Tyra, raised a point in the past about her that really made me think and reconsider my opinion of Julie: She divulges information about that family that she obtained by being their guest or in their company socially. Or she breaks confidences. That's part of why her credibility is questioned. She seems untrustworthy.
I heard my name.:) Yeah, saint, that might be my biggest problem with what Julie does at GWoP. That old expression says that information is power (including status, ego boosts, righteousness, revenge). When anyone invites a person into their home, I think they are entitled to an expectation that the person won't sell what they see or hear in the home. To people who dislike them, or even hate them. Julie has no idea who those people on GWoP are; she can't vouch for them, and she in fact knows that a substantial group of them harbor considerable malice, toward Kate, anyway. Julie has used her real-life tidbits as currency, and traded it at GWoP. On an ethical level: yuck.
Fiona & Saint,
Didn't someone up thread say that Julie's comments about the chef were made on PM's blog? If my memory is correct (which is really questionable), the NE article came out before PM's blog did.
In any case, I don't ever remember Julie talking about the chef on her blog. Wasn't the majority of her blog discussing things that we saw on TV (like gumgate) and the whole Jodi didn't get paid/Kevin confronted Kate ordeal?
Most of the *little* things - like the half cow purchase and the crabcakes/chef were all comments on PM's blog.
Am I missing something? Am I remembering completely wrong? Help?
Rufus, Julie also has made lots of comments on GWoP, under the name 'The Truth Will Set You Free'. That could have been where the 'chef' info came from.
Kuromi wrote:
"I've heard people claim that Kate said it was "society's responsibility" to help raise her kids. But no one can show this actual comment--or even a slight variation on the comment."
The quote you refer to came from an article in The Philadelphia Inquirer, dated May 9, 2005, titled "Mother of Sextuplets Wants Nurse to Stay." It is this line from the article that has received much attention:
"Kate Gosselin said she felt society had a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births."
Her claim that "society has a responsibility" is not about raising her kids, but about retaining the Medicaid nurse beyond the one-year cut-off date, which created lots of response to the article from taxpayers who disagreed that she was entitled to more services when there was no medical need (the tups were all healthy).
You can find the article in the newspaper's online archives, but you'll have to pay to read the entire content. A cached version can be found at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1400462/posts#comment
Tyra said...
Rufus, Julie also has made lots of comments on GWoP, under the name 'The Truth Will Set You Free'. That could have been where the 'chef' info came from.
Yes, I am aware of that, thanks. But still, no, lol. I don't remember her talking about it there either.
Thanks Rufus,
That's where I remember the comments about the crab cakes and beef from (PM's World.) She was writing in comments. I wasn't sure when the NE article came out...it's agreed that it was before PM started? And Fiona, do you remember any chef stories from Julie before her comments on PM's blog?
quote from julie's blog, june 6, 2008
"Then a few months after Ellen, I watched them on Oprah. They ran a clip of their "life" and you heard Kate saying her day consisted of "making a meal, feeding a meal, and cleaning up a meal" (x's 3). Where does the personal ORGANIC chef come into that scenario? My parents have actually eaten some of the food prepared for them. They watched Jodi's kids when Jodi was traveling with Kate, and Kate brought up some of the "leftovers" since they were going to be away. Nine jumbo lump crab cakes, and all of sides to go along with it. I think it's great for her that she doesn't have to cook, but why pretend that's all she does all day? Why not talk about something else instead of deceiving the viewers?"
Saint said...
I wasn't sure when the NE article came out...it's agreed that it was before PM started?
I just looked it up and the NE article came out on July 28. For sure before PM showed up.
Now that I think about it more and more, I remember when the NE article first came out that it was like a big "NO WAY!" moment for me. I don't remember thinking, "Ahh, now the press has confirmed what Julie said." In fact, I think the NE article came out before Jodi's video was posted and I don't recall GWOP or me saying, "See? The NE is confirming Julie's story so she MUST be the real deal."
Does that make sense?
DAMN themrs!
You just blew my whole theory, lol.
And obviously proved that my memory (or lack thereof) is completely worthless. I bow to the queen.
LOL rufus! google cache is my friend:) BTW, PM's first entry was sept 8th.
my kids call me the queen, my husband refers to me by "she who must be obeyed":)
Anonymous Dog,
I can probably help you out with that if you want to email me at ninabell53@gmail.com
Hooray for Queen Themrs!
Because, MY theory STILL STANDS! (even though I am now on record with a very faulty memory...but we'll ignore that part of it.)
The NE article comes out AFTER the crab cakes story on *cough* not Penn's *cough* but Julie's blog. so the NE reporter could have just been reading Julie's blog and wrote the article from there. It would be considered an "inside source" by NE standards and Julie could truthfully deny she had anything to do with it.
i think you're right on the money saint,no pun intended:) that most likely was their "source" and julie can honestly say she did not talk to them. we should open our own investigative company!
For some reason, I think I heard Kate or Jon say that the grandparents were not "an everyday" part of their lives. This would mean to me that they may see each other occasionally, but not on a regular basis like some grandparents. Anyone recall this?
In the almost 40 years that we have been married, my husband and I have never lived near either of our families. Although we speak to my mom, who is our only living parent at this time, weekly, none of our parents were ever part of our everyday life. This did not mean that we did not love them and that was had no contact with them. I think that Kate's original statement about the grandparents was worded very carefully -- on purpose! We really do not have any way of knowing whether they have any contact at all, but by saying they are not a part of their everyday life, does not mean they have no relationship at all, IMHO.
I've got a couple of comments to add:
1) I'm wondering if Possum Momma is deleting all the blog entries that are slightly negative so they are not able to (easily) be used against her in custody or divorce proceedings.
I've heard of custody disputes which (IMO legitimately) considered what was placed on someone's MYSPACE page.
2) The kind of arguing that Julie does to underscore her points is really tedious and actually argumentative for the sake of being that way
For instance, I took down my holiday decorations this weekend which by the way I hate to do. I way relaying the story to my sister and I said, "What a pain. All I did was take down my Christmas Tree and decorations. "
Actually, I did a lot more. My family helped, but we did other things too. Like the laundry, bb practice, karate, etc.
Would Julie swoop in and say that I'm being deceptive?
I've said specifically about that about meals too.
"Gosh Honey. I feel like all I did was cook a meal, serve a meal and clean up from a meal."
To which he might say, "Uh honey, we had take out one meal?"
Saint and themrs,
Even if Julie didn't speak to the NE and they got their info from her blog, this does not leave her blameless. If you're going to put *hot* information out on the web, it's clear you're hoping that at the least, it makes its way around cyberspace and becomes news. If this is, in fact, how the NE obtained their information, I'm sure Julie was giving herself some serious pats on the back.
what is the ABC board?
Im lost
Thanks, Spanglish.
NC Resident, ABC news published an article about scams and lying on internet message boards, etc. a couple of months back. There are a number of comments there that tie back to things that have been discussed on this blog and others.
If you are interested, Merryway posted a link on the first page of this thread. :-)
Saint, Rufus, Themrs, anyone talking about the Julie stuff. Oh that's the way it happened. I did think it was on Julie's just because I didn't go to pm's hardly til the end of it. With all the different sites it's hard to always recall where you read it. I always forget about the cache but it definitely comes in handy with all the stuff that pops up n down. Since I believe there's no chef, it's been interesting seeing that rumor start and how far it's gone.
Saint, saw you at Moons; I was disgusted when she used a dying little boy's wish to feed the homeless in her cause against the Gosselins. With that and the prior conversation she had with NMD regarding the PM situation, I discounted anything of value in what she writes other than another study in hatred and occasional martyrdom. Nice effort to get her to do the right thing.
*****
...omg Saint, you are now suspected to be PM. But I heard it was really Kate's PR team, they're all over you know. I saw them when I was driving by her house. I was just started to become a sheeple but then last night I watched I saw she used filtered water and well... you know, now I hate her. Of course, you all feel the same way because you post here. Okay, my tongue is officially stuck to my cheek.
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