I'm ashamed for them.
Had they done this interview first (or only), and not the RadarOnline stuff, I would have been ok with this. They were properly restrained and not dishing gossip like they were on the other video(s).I kind of have a similar situation with my sister and her husband, who are raising their 2 children in a situation that I find highly questionable, so I can kind of sympathize with Jodi and Kevin here. However, I've become an expert at biting my tongue, so I also wonder why they haven't kept these things to themselves. It's a tough tight-rope to walk. I get the sense that Jodi & Kevin no longer have the opportunity to speak directly to Jon & Kate about this, although Kevin did state in the interview that they do talk to them, but no longer see the kids.It sounds from this interview as if they are heading down the well-worn "child advocate" path. It remains to be seen if they will actually take any steps to protect child actors on reality shows. I know, I know, I said "actors;" it's not the most appropriate word, but sounds less harsh to me than workers or performers.
I kept waiting for the interviewer to ask Jodi and Kevin about RadarOnline and their story about the bodyguard. But, no. Too tawdry for CBS news, I guess. The intro to the interview called the season premiere a 'ratings bonanza', and this morning in the paper, I read it was an 'enormous hit'. Great job, advocates!It seems to me that Jodi, Julie, Kevin and GWoP are just as ready to use the kids for their own agenda. Serena got to be an 'expert' (!?!) about child exploitation in the paper, J,J&K get to wash off the mud they were slinging on RadarOnline on the CBS morning show, and get cred as child advocates. The kids didn't get a say in being on a reality tv show, and they're not getting a say in being the poster children for the cause of protecting kids on reality tv. Maybe they don't want to be eight sad little faces on the poster! If you don't like Kate and Jon using their kids, then don't turn around and do the same thing.
I am not watching this stuff anymore. Now there is a video from Kate's former patients and Jon's former boss. Oy Vey. Stop the Madness people.
They still talk to J&K?? Didn't Kevin say in the Radar interview that he hadn't spoken to them in a year? Of course then he said Jon came to him 6 months ago to say he thought Kate was cheating, blah blah blah. Am I the only one that noticed this inconsistency?As I watched them on the Early show, I thought they both looked overly concerned, ie FAKE. And I bet she's loveing the attention for a change. Kevin did look somber and a little uncertain. You know when you call your sister out like he's doing it's a serious thing, especially if you ever wish to have a relationship again. Wonder what their parents think?
I haven't gotten to see the video yet. I'm at work and it's blocked. I wonder how long until the media, paparazzi, etc start to follow Jodi and Kevin. I'm sure they will try to dig up dirt on them too. Again, why is Julie involved??? I'm all for sticking up for a sibling but at some point you become a piggy backer amd I think Julie is enjoying her 15 minutes of fame too.
It seems to me that Jodi, Julie, Kevin and GWoP are just as ready to use the kids for their own agenda. Serena got to be an 'expert' (!?!) about child exploitation in the paper, J,J&K get to wash off the mud they were slinging on RadarOnline on the CBS morning show, and get cred as child advocates. The kids didn't get a say in being on a reality tv show, and they're not getting a say in being the poster children for the cause of protecting kids on reality tv. Maybe they don't want to be eight sad little faces on the poster! If you don't like Kate and Jon using their kids, then don't turn around and do the same thing.Excellent, excellent point. I haven't had a chance to watch - I need to see if I can find a transcript because I'm at work and can't watch it here - but I totally agree that the "advocates" have not shown me that their commitment to the Gosselin children is remotely sincere. All they've done since they've been advocating is muck things up, possibly effect the relationship between J&K and between J&K and Jodi and Kevin, and get the show a huge boost in publicity and ratings. I think the "child advocates" have done more for the show, in a way, than the Gosselins' supposed crack PR team.
I wonder how all this fits in with their religious beliefs? If it's not ok for Jon to even show the appearance of sin (I think that is how another poster put it a while back), I'm sure selling out your family would be frowned upon too.If they came out with this story first, instead of The Star, and Radar Online, it would have a lot more creditability for me because I do believe that someone should be the advocate for the children. I used to think that person was Jodi, and I am so sorry that I was wrong because now I don't think they have anyone.
Guin, I totally agree. If all the gossip and drama had not been broadcast all over the place, no one would have cared. People are attracted to the drama, so they watch. Way to go Jodi and Kevin.
Wow! A MUCH better interview. They came across as seriously concerned and truly involved for the sake of those kids. What a HUGE mistake the Radaronline interview was! There, they came across as two grifters selling gossip because they resented their sister's (sister-in-law's) fame and fortune. They accused Kate of (whisper like a nasty thirteen year-old) *cheating*! This interview was completely different.Too bad I saw the first five interviews. Too bad they took the money. These two are tainted. Not important observations:They looked great. And guess who interrupts and speaks over her husband? Jodi.
I am not going to judge...but I do want to thank you for posting the interview so I could see it.
Maybe ALL of them are on the TLC payroll and they are all just drumming up interest so we all watch and react. I hope this doesn't end up with "team kate" vs. "team jon" contests or TLC is going to start selling t-shirts and the like on their website and turn their lives into a sporting event, not that it already isn't.
With all due respect, it seems to me that you are shooting the messengers because (possibly) you do not like their message. On this blog, you are very good at giving the Gosselins a pass on their behaviour sometimes on the basis that we do not see or know everything in their lives which is quite valid and fair. Is it not equally possible that Jodi and Kevin are genuinely concerned about the welfare of their nieces and nephews? True, they may have gone about it inadviseably with the radar videos but how does anyone know for sure that they have not tried everything else and finally turned to the media which is a route that Kate herself has followed? Granted I am just an observer of the children some of their lives (and not to read too much into it, but I did notice little Collin rocking during the show on Monday night -- could be nothing, could be something. What if it is true that they are prompted to do or say things by the crew? I don't think that a spin exists that would make that a benign thing for a child's life. If that were my own family, I would be concerned. It seems to me that they could be entitled to some credit for speaking up; if they know these things and say nothing, would you not fault them as much as you are doing now?
I love them. It's about time someone spoke up. I do agree with Rachel107. I wish they would have done The Early Show first. I mean, any web site that stars the "OctoMom" is kind of shady.The thing that got me was when Harry asked if they would stop the show, and they both said no. How could you not stop?
On this blog, you are very good at giving the Gosselins a passWho is 'you'? I would appreciate not being addressed as a collective. Individuals on this board have expressed a wide spectrum of opinions on the Gosselins.I don't know for sure what Jodi and Kevin's motivation is, whether it is pure or mixed, and neither do you. I actually do tend to believe that concern for their nieces and nephews is part of their motivation. I am criticizing what I can see: whispering about 'cheating' and ponying up to the bottom feeders of the media.I have to be honest: I object when tv viewers take something they see one of the children doing, and try to turn it into a hint of some kind of diagnosis, citing that it's because they are concerned. I'm sorry, but I think that is irresponsible.
Jodi and Kevin get no credit from me for speaking up. I think it was a disgusting, hypocritical thing to do. It reminds me of when Anna Nicole Smith's relatives came out of the woodwork grubbing for money and attention. The important thing is the children. For better or worse, Jon and Kate are their parents; they get to make decisions about them and whether or not the show continues. Jodi and Kevin have no power over the Gosselin children. Their interviews are not going to make the kid's lives one bit better. In fact, it may make them much worse as they will someday see "sweet" Aunt Jodi badmouthing their mom, revealing family secrets and stirring up a whole bunch of publicity that will ensure astronomical ratings and the continuation of the media circus.It is quite possible that they have destroyed any chance for a relationship with these kids in the future when they may have needed their aunt and uncle for support.Bad move, completely indefensible in opinion.
AC,I think you raise good points. To me, Jodi and Kevin presented themselves well on the GMA interview. They were articulate and sounded sincere.Why didn't they take this route first? I just can't shake the feeling that they "sold" the story first. It isn't worth anything to The Star after GMA breaks the news. Also, the difference in the GMA and RadarOnline interviews is huge. What they told RadarOnline was so petty. It didn't focus on the kids. Why not? Is it because they were paid for gossip, not child advocacy information?See, if they truly think the kids are being harmed, and have thought so for a year now, why did they wait to speak up? Why feed what they know through Julie to GWOP? Why not blog about it or speak to the local newspaper or come forward when the Philly Mag article came out? Why not? Either the kids weren't truly being exploited and this is about pettiness and revenge, or...I don't know what to say about two adults who know their nieces and nephews are suffering but do nothing until they can sell the information. I can't justify their behavior now. Because if the Gosselin kids really do need advocates, Jodi and Kevin blew their chance to help, just for money. That's shameful.
I'd like to ask...does anyone know for a fact that Kevin and Jodi are getting paid and how much? ...and I'm not talking about speculating because the tabloids "usually pay for the info"...I mean come on. Jon is miserable and he's under contract and getting paid...Kate got paid to throw Jon under the bus in People and they continue to get paid for each episode they run and interview they give.We have no idea what is happening...and IMHO Jodi and Kevin did not "bad mouth" the Gosselins in this latest interview...they expressed their concerns. I am noticing somewhat of a double standard.....Aunt Jodi went from kind, loving, helpful Aunt Jodi when she was on the show to "How dare she". I think saying they came forward "just for the money" is very presumptuous.
Tyra, you are right that I was generalizing and I apologize for addressing the collective "you" in my post. The problem for me is that I do not know what Jodi and Kevin's agenda would be other than speaking out for the children but I feel like I do know what Jon and Kate's agenda is which seems to go beyond the children's best interests. It is indisputable that they are the children's parents and have the right to make decisions. This is very much uncharted territory in terms of family relations but, after all, it does take a village and most of us appreciate the input of others (family, friends, church, etc.) when it comes to our children; at least I know that I have. Most times it has made me step back and re-evaluate. The difference is that my life is being played out in public. Just doing alot of thinking out loud I guess.
AC said..."but I did notice little Collin rocking during the show on Monday night -- could be nothing, could be something"Ok...I have never been rude to anyone on this board, so this will be a first and I apologize ahead of time to the mods. Maybe this will be posted maybe not.ARE YOU FOR REAL?!?!?!?! What, do you freeze frame each minute so you can dissect it? This is the kind of crap that the other site does that is disgusting. There is absolutely no evidence of abuse in there home. Maybe some dysfunction, but to wonder why a child is rocking....I am left speechless on that.Heaven forbid anyone points out the acutal physical affection and love these kids show to each other. I remember a while back when the kids were being dropped off at Beths and one of the tups came back in to the house to give hugs and kisses to the others. That kind of behavior isn't a coincidence...IT IS LEARNED!!! Kids don't fake that.J&K have made some pretty crummy choices, imo. But they are not child abusers!!
AC, you came back with a really thoughtful response, and I appreciate that. I get your point about the whole child-rearing process 'taking a village'. I think the problem is that the tv viewing audience can't be a village for a family that it doesn't know. There has to be give and take: you help me with my kid, I help you with yours. That can't happen through the tv screen, because then you get GWoP, and I can't blame Kate for not wanting some of those people anywhere near her kids.Thinking out loud is good; that's what I'm doing, too. ;-)
Ok, sorry to you too Trish. I have someone in my family who has some problems and does that when she is upset; I just noticed it, that's all and I did say that it could be nothing. Talk about jumping on someone.
Tyra you hit the nail on the head."Maybe they don't want to be eight sad little faces on the poster! If you don't like Kate and Jon using their kids, then don't turn around and do the same thing.
Jodi stated that the kids expressed to them a year ago how unhappy they were with the cameras around. If this is true then she missed the opportunity to come out with her "concerns" for the kids with credibility. It wasn't until AFTER Kate put her foot down that they were not going to get paid for using their home for taping that they came out via Julie on their "concerns".Someone mentioned "the appearance of sin". So far this is all we know that Jon is guilty of. About Jodi and Kevin coming out with what Jon told them...Christians are not supposed to publicly announce another's sins, especially when they are not a first hand witness to it. If they are a first hand witness they are to go to the person and if that doesn't work to the elders of their church. No further! What they did by announcing Jon's suspicions of Kate was malicious gossip and that is something they must repent for. I'm still praying for Jon and Kate. I think they are so mad at each other right now that they can't make themselves soften enough to work this out. They keep saying that what they do is for the kids so they need to get marriage counseling for the kids.
Ac said..."(and not to read too much into it..."Let me just add to what I said...how does one drop a statement like that and say...not to read too much into it.Well, if it wasn't clear already...I read A LOT into that statement. To say something like that...imo, is insinuating something pretty bad. It isn't right for people to just throw those kind of words around without having something to back it up. Its just like people saying Kate is a narcicist (sp?)...maybe she is maybe she isn't. But only a trained professional can't make that assesment with a psych evaluation.
Trish said... AC said..."but I did notice little Collin rocking during the show on Monday night -- could be nothing, could be something" Ok...I have never been rude to anyone on this board, so this will be a first and I apologize ahead of time to the mods. Maybe this will be posted maybe not. ARE YOU FOR REAL?!?!?!?! What, do you freeze frame each minute so you can dissect it? This is the kind of crap that the other site does that is disgusting. There is absolutely no evidence of abuse in there home. Maybe some dysfunction, but to wonder why a child is rocking....I am left speechless on that.........oh Dear Lord let's be NICE.On the TLC website they have a short video of J&K singing Happy Birthday to the tups.....Collin is sitting on the table rocking back and forth. I noticed it too...it's probably nothing but you didn't have to stop and freeze frame or hit replay to catch it.
Jodi & Kevin come off far better in this interview than they did in the Radar interviews. They seem sincere. That being said, their (and Julie's) connection . . . even loose connection . . . to GWOP calls into question for me what their motivations are. =============There is no real child advocate who while advocating would demean and verbally abuse the very children for which they were advocating. It makes no sense. For Julie to not disavow, but instead minimize and rationalize, the insults hurled at those children sealed the deal for me. =================I did notice that Jodi talks over Kevin. Hmmmmm. =================(wink wink) I wonder who is going to task the "hard ball" questions to Jodi & Kevin about how much they got paid for the interview? (wink wink) Harry Smith is such a Kreider sheeple.
Momof2said..."oh Dear Lord let's be NICE."You are absolutely correct. And to AC, I apologize.I got my dander up and hit send. Probably should have taken some time before posting my responses. I am just so fed up with the hypocrisy that is the "other" site. AC's words just sounded a little too much like something I've seen over there. It was not fair to jump on AC for it. The way they attatck people there is another thing I find disgusting, and here I am being hypocrytical myself.
The major thing I don't understand is how Jodi and Kevin can legimately make the claim that gossiping about Kate's alleged infidelity and/or dwelling on issues about Kate not folding laundry helps the kids.Their contribution to the tabloid mania served to increase the ratings of the Season 5 premier and virtually ensure that more episodes will be filmed. Were they really that naive to think that they could get the show cancelled by accusing Kate of having an affair?If this is truly all about child exploitation, why aren't Kevin and Jodi lobbying in the state legisature for changes in child labor laws rather than trashing the kids' mother in the tabloids?Jodi and Kevin have virutally sealed the deal on never having a role in those kids lives. Personally, if any of my siblings went on Radar on Line and accused me of having an affair, they would never see my child again either.
I absolutely support Kevin and Jodi's decision to come forward with their concerns. They have already tried to speak with Jon and Kate, many times, about their concerns (as stated in this video and others.) What choice do they have at this point? I believe she does have their best interest at heart. Do Jon and Kate? Hard to say at this point. Their actions show us a quest for fame and money yet at what price to their children? There needs to be laws protecting children in reality TV shows, end of story. Bringing the problem to public is the only way to get laws in place. I applaud Kevin and Jodi for their efforts.
I watched the interview with Jodi and Kevin and IMHO I was moved when Kevin and Jodi both choked up in regards to calling their nieces and nephews commodities. Jodi only continued Kevin's thoughts because he was tearing up. To me it was a brother who loves his sister but doesn't like what she is doing at this time. Charlie, I hope that you are wrong that Jodi and Kevin have "sealed the deal" with having a relationship w/the children. Aren't most of us hoping that all these adult misbehaviors won't affect the kids? Jodi and Kevin weren't the first to mention the word "affair" and judging by Jon and Kate's behavior lately it starts to be a two edge sword. I for one, hope that in the very near future that Jon and Kate can reconcile with the estranged members of their families for the good of the children. Both my parents, grandparents, 3 aunts died before meeting my children. I not only feel the loss of my loved ones but for the loss of my children not getting the chance to see these family members. I know I need to take a breath and step back when reading some of the comments on both blog sites because I also become upset. I think watching this family from the beginning and seeing how "simple" their life use to be and watching how their lives have so drastically changed is shocking for all of us. Thank you for your time.
Trish I totally get what you meant...on GWOP once they mentioned the time Kate grabbed one of the girl tups shoulders once to get her to behave during an interview....no biggie...but then it exploded into how it's NEVER EVER ok to grab, pinch or hurt a child and then it ridiculously went to how Kate must beat the kids off camera....I hear ya.:)
Momof2 said: On the TLC website they have a short video of J&K singing Happy Birthday to the tups.....Collin is sitting on the table rocking back and forth. I noticed it too...it's probably nothing but you didn't have to stop and freeze frame or hit replay to catch it.Collin's sitting on the table rocking back and forth as THEY'RE SINGING. Some might call that swaying to the music.This is ridiculous. Jodi and Kevin are entitled to their opinion. But bottom line, they're not the parents. This is how Jon and Kate are choosing to provide for their children. It's their choice.
With all due respect, it seems to me that you are shooting the messengers because (possibly) you do not like their message. On this blog, you are very good at giving the Gosselins a pass on their behaviour sometimes on the basis that we do not see or know everything in their lives which is quite valid and fair.I really don't think we generally give the Gosselins a pass. I have criticized Kate plenty of times but that's not what people see when they read my posts, because it's easier to put everyone in little labeled boxes as "sheeple" or "hater" (and I do call people the latter, but I don't call everyone who has issues with the show or with J&K that; I use it as I think it applies).That said, I think it's human nature to get invested in your opinion and see things in the way that best supports that opinion. Jodi and Kevin, IMO, gave anyone who might want to dismiss their opinions ample ammunition to do so with their Radar Online interviews. Those interviews were ugly, gossipy and hardly even tangentially related to the Gosselin kids' wellbeing. It seems likely they were paid for these interviews, which further damages their creditability. If they had just started with the CBS interview, I would have a lot less justification for doubting their motives. It sounds like they said the right things in that interview, and I know CBS didn't pay them. It doesn't sound like they repeated sleazy cheating allegations and petty carping complaints about baking. But I can't forget what they've done before today, anymore than it seems Kate's detractors can forget every single thing she's ever done wrong. Before the Radar Online interviews, I had no problem with Jodi; I called her St. Jodi on occasion, but that was a knock on her slavishly devoted fans, not her. I had no problem with Kevin, since he hadn't even been involved in Julie's previous blabbing. To be honest, if he had just done the CBS interview, I think I would still be a little disappointed in him, because I take family loyalty very seriously, and it's hard for me to envision the circumstances under which I would knock my sister on national TV. The only person I previously had a problem with was Julie, who needs to mind her own business in the worst way. Seriously, I can't stand a busybody, and Julie never impressed me in her previous appearances online, blathering on about potties and such. (And now that I remember, I was a bit disappointed in Jodi once it became clear that she must have gossiped A LOT about the Gosselins with Julie. That did not reflect well on her. But it was nothing compared to the Radar Online interviews.)Kevin and Jodi *may* be concerned about the Gosselin kids; I really don't know. I think they've gone about expressing their concern terribly, though. And I find it hard to believe that there wasn't some spite and/or greed involved in their decision to come forward, as well.
does anyone know for a fact that Kevin and Jodi are getting paid and how much? ...and I'm not talking about speculating because the tabloids "usually pay for the infoYes, Julie knows. She hasn't denied it. Julie defends Jodi. That's all the evidence I need. She'd tell us if the RadarOnline or The Star interviews were not paid for "as usual." Instead, Julie aluded to "how the business works." Well, that's how it works, doesn't it? And the content of the first two interviews wasn't about the kids. It was about Kate, the bad mother, who doesn't mother properly or even bake! If THAT'S what they wanted to say...well, my criticism stands. They should have used their chance to advocate for advocacy.
The problem for me is that I do not know what Jodi and Kevin's agenda would be other than speaking out for the children AC, I do not know either, but it could be spite (they were unfairly denied compensation,) money (justified by saying, "Why shouldn't we get paid? Jon and Kate get paid!") or jealousy ("What about OUR kids...they are cute, too!") I suspect it's a mixture, dominated by concern for the Gosselin kids. That's why it was so awful IMO that they went to tabloids before doing this MUCH BETTER interview.
To the last Anonymous who posted a link to a picture of Kate as a child - could you please resubmit with a name?Thanks.
here is the picture again...http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30624096?pg=16#TDY_Gosselins_new
Emily- You said Jodi and Kevin did talk to J&K about their issues. Was this stated in the video (I cannot watch) or was this a statement you made from rumor?
My Open Letter to Jodi and Kevin (that they will never read, similar to the one that gal in Detroit wrote to Kate):Jodi and Kevin, I don't know who is advising you (please not Julie, please not Julie, please not Julie), but the whole Radar Online interview was such a bad idea. Not only because it gave credence to critics who doubted your motives and were disturbed by you being paid for the interview, but because you had no control over the portions Radar chose to air. For all we know, you might have spent 80% of the interview talking about your concern for the children (as you did today in the CBS morning interview), but Radar doesn't care about that angle, Jodi and Kevin. They want dirt and unfortunately you provided it.On a happier note, I have always liked you two and I was actually pleased to see you do well and articulate important concerns in today's interview. No offense to you, but I don't think it's going to make a whit of difference and I still think the interview could have consequences you don't anticipate, but I didn't have a sick feeling in my stomach like I did after watching the Radar stuff.Oh, and Jodi, you and Kate do share one trait - the need to take over conversations and not let a spouse get a word in!
Wow that link was great.I can see the resemblance more with Kate and some of the kids...especially Collin.
Anya,I think alot of couples share that trait, to take over conversations. Jon and Kate do it. My husband and I do it all the time. Kevin was getting emotional and Jodi was just helping him. They truly love all the Gosselin children and from what we have seen in the past, the children love them. If Jon and Kate won't let Jodi and Kevin be a part of the kids life now, once those kids turn 18, it might be a different story.
Jodi and Kevin - shame on YOU! Nothing you say is anything I would listen to because you contradict yourselves all over the place. You said in the horrid Radaronline interview that you hadn't talked to them in six months, on this interview you say you do have contact. If you are TRULY concerned, patch things up with your sister and support them anyway. Jodi freely states in this CBS interview that they do NOT believe that J & K will listen and stop. So evidently you are in it for the attention now also. Kate clearly stated in one of the very first interviews in this house that cameras are not allowed in ANY of the bedrooms and if the kids don't want to be filmed, they are not. All they have to do is put up their hand or say stop. These are their children and I don't believe they are hurting them. I think that Jon thought this was all fine and good, now is bored with the whole thing, and the things that CLEARLY were in the future (paparazzi, etc) are now here and he doesn't want to play anymore. Kate has found her "niche" and I think this all blows over once the kids are in school full time anyway. The real tragedy is Jon deciding he wants to quit when it's obviously not that easy. And Kate - I absolutely believe what you said about "we're all responsible for our own choices" is correct. You cannot "drive" someone to do this. He chose. Poorly.
I think alot of couples share that trait, to take over conversations. Jon and Kate do it. My husband and I do it all the time. Kevin was getting emotional and Jodi was just helping him. Not that it matters, but I do it too, and so does Jodi. I noticed her recover for Kevin when he was choked up. I also noticed she interrupted him at least twice besides that. Not a big deal...just as their "look" improved under the trusty hands of professionals. Not a big deal.
Speaking of videos:http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/entertainment/On_Jon_and_Kate___I_Hope_They_Get_a_Divorce__Philadelphia.html#Ffytlts_bbX2_xFV1TwNJIg9NbkzC7hWIKniPBattgYhZVNHUtYY1zaRENvezIo2FBc7VAWxEQwlhiiE81MiQcRdTLetTvB9qoBThat jowl-blessed heavyset woman in there who proclaimed, "I hope they get a divorce"? She is EXACTLY how I imagine all the crazed online fanatical haters. Doubt she really was a patient. Maybe she's "Serena"!Kudos to her former coworkers, who didn't seem to resent her. They just confirmed that her personality on TV is true and acted like decent human beings showing sympathy.
Kuromi said..."Speaking of videos:http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/entertainment/On_Jon_and_Kate___I_Hope_They_Get_a_Divorce__Philadelphia.html#Ffytlts_bbX2_xFV1TwNJIg9NbkzC7hWIKniPBattgYhZVNHUtYY1zaRENvezIo2FBc7VAWxEQwlhiiE81MiQcRdTLetTvB9qoBThat jowl-blessed heavyset woman in there who proclaimed, "I hope they get a divorce"? She is EXACTLY how I imagine all the crazed online fanatical haters. Doubt she really was a patient. Maybe she's "Serena"!Kudos to her former coworkers, who didn't seem to resent her. They just confirmed that her personality on TV is true and acted like decent human beings showing sympathy."I thought the co-workers were decent too. They didn't seem bad to me at all. The other lady...come on...I have a hard time believing Kate told her she wanted fame and fortune for herself and her kids. Obviously I wasn't there, but give me a break.
Trish, I agree. Her story didn't exactly ring true. Kate doesn't seem the type to cozy up to her patients and start sharing her life's ambitions. I am not even addressing her looks -- I was just put off by the smug, self-satisfied look on her face and her words. Ugh.
Seems to me that Kev-o and wifey sense that the end is near so they are grabbing for the pile of money while the getting is good. This interview is more "polished" but just as bad and their behavior is totally inexcusable. I don't care if Kate had set Jodi on fire you don't come running out with family gossip and selling it to the highest (or only) bidder then attempt to disguise it as "concern" for the kids. Iwonder if Jodi ever thought of the emotional trauma her statement's about their parents are going to cause, because at the rate these kids are going they are going to need years and years of therapy.
Andrea,Did it ever occur to you that Jodi and Kevin and former co-workers of Kate's and former patients of Kate's and pyschologists and family therapists being interviewed my Mainstream media publications, all of whom are saying the same things - you can solve this quite easily by turning the TLC cameras off and going home to be with your husband and children, did it ever occur to you that No One would be talking about Kate if she would just Go Home?Why are you mad at people trying to protect the children?There is one very simple, universally accepted solution -- Go Home and be a mom, Kate -- Simple.So, what's your problem?I truly, truly don't get it.(seems you are harping on the wrong thing. Let's all stop harping and just do what is as obvious as the blinding sun -- TURN OFF THE CAMERAS!! and stop the child exploitation.)
Ohio Mom: Respectfully, she IS home when she's doing the show and the family are all in front of the cameras. Would you have a problem with her having a career that doesn't involve the kids, like writing her books and appearing by herself on junkets? On another thread several of us seemed to think that would be OK. (So did the psychologist on the Today show yesterday.)It sounds that some people think she should be a SAHM or have some kind of "menial" job that doesn't involve any travel at all. They want her to go down in flames and have no-one interested in talking to her or about her. That will never, ever happen. Like her or hate her, she's grabbed the public interest and now someone will always buy her books or stand in line to meet her.
Ohio mom said..."Did it ever occur to you that Jodi and Kevin and former co-workers of Kate's and former patients of Kate's and pyschologists and family therapists being interviewed my Mainstream media publications, all of whom are saying the same things - you can solve this quite easily by turning the TLC cameras off and going home to be with your husband and children, did it ever occur to you that No One would be talking about Kate if she would just Go Home?Why are you mad at people trying to protect the children?There is one very simple, universally accepted solution -- Go Home and be a mom, Kate -- Simple.So, what's your problem?I truly, truly don't get it."-----------------------------------I think most are in agreement that it is time to turn off the cameras. But Kate is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.For so long other haters in the blogsphere have said they, meaning J&K need to get a job...one that doesn't involve the kids. So what does Kate do? She starts working outside the home, trying to provide, and now she is told to go home and be with her kids. People (haters) need to make up their minds.Do I think her travelling is a bit excessive? Yes. But its not my life. I do agree with others that if was John travelling and Kate at home we wouldn't see quite the uproar.
Anya, I *loved* your open letter to Jodi and Kevin!And that "patient" is ridiculous. Do people have any idea how bad they look wishing misfortune on others? Kate may be a bitch, but so is karma, and that lady's not helping hers there.They truly love all the Gosselin children and from what we have seen in the past, the children love them. You know who else the Gosselin kids love? Their parents. So they might not appreciate Jodi and Kevin trashing them all over the place.
For so long other haters in the blogsphere have said they, meaning J&K need to get a job...one that doesn't involve the kids. So what does Kate do? She starts working outside the home, trying to provide, and now she is told to go home and be with her kids. People (haters) need to make up their minds.Since she still has a job that involves the kids we don't yet know how people will react to that situation. I think many will be happy when it's over, including those 8 children.
I'd like to comment on the working situation. From what I have read, she actually did not even write the first book, so maybe that's why people are upset and calling Kate out on that.It makes no difference to me either way, I would not buy a picture book of someone else's kids pictures.Have I watched the show before? Yes, when I thought I was watching a family "special."I'm not a regular viewer and frankly, I have my own adorable brood to look after and quite enjoy it?I don't think anyone would criticize kate for NOT selling books of her children.Someone said she thought the cameras following her children was creepy.I feel the same way about selling pictures of your children.Actually, that's even more creepy.There are millions of working women with plenty of children.The difference is, the mothers work and guard their children's privacy.I think the posters saying kate would be criticized for working are incorrect.She is only criticized for selling her children's privacy.So, not to worry.If she stops selling pics of her kids to creepy people, she'll be fine. :)
Guin, you are right. They do love their parents. It is evident in every single episode.Ohiomom, you remind me of someone who posted here a few times under another handle. Welcome back.
okay, still following this discussion here.Kuromi, thanks so much for letting me know about the Today show interview, too.I just saw it and.....Well, the psychologist was actually very emphatic that Kate go home and work on her marriage and that doing otherwise, especially continuing to film her kids, was extremely detrimental and damaging to them (her exact words) and added quote: "Clearly seeing there is a real problem, tremendous tension, anxiety and it really takes a toll on the children."WOW!!She also suggested there are "other" ways to make a living.I think all working moms already knew that, especially single moms raising large families.Maybe some can weigh in on that, as I have some friends in the same boat and while it's not easy for them, they make it work.Clearly, what the Gosselin's are doing now isn't working, so anything would be better than what they are doing.Also, Kate's very fortunate to have a nursing background, as they are in high demand right now and very well paid.Surely, she's put some funds away for a rainy day, so no worries there, as it's currently pouring.Kate has been quoted as saying the show is the "family business", so quite bluntly, this psychologist said, for the sake of your marriage, your family and your children's future, find something else to do, as this is clearly hurting them now and in the future.So, she is definitely in line with all the other family experts weighing in on this.I didn't hear her say Kate should continue on her junkets. In fact, quite the opposite.I haven't read anyone saying Kate should not support her family.In fact, quite the opposite, that the family (meaning the children), should stop supporting her.Surely, you can't disagree there!Let's all just pray she makes the right decision.
Tana said...So, not to worry.If she stops selling pics of her kids to creepy people, she'll be fine. :) Tana, I put your comment through because I am rejecting very few today and I know there are many people who agree with you.That said, describing people who have bought Kate's books as "creepy" isn't the type of comment that will typically get put through. The connotation I think you are trying to make is just ugly.The rest of your post - fair enough.
I found it interesting that when HS asked if they still had a relationship with the Jon & Kate, they glossed over the answer. Kevin said he spoke to Jon and Kate. Jodi said nothing. The conversation she claims to have had with the kids about the intrusion of the cameras had to have taken place over a year ago, when she was still in the picture and they were in their old house. When Kate showed the new house, she flatly said that cameras were off limits in the bedrooms... Jodi's remarks were, IMHO, too little, too late... How can they be a voice for their nieces and nephews when they don't even see their nieces and nephews? Wishful thinking on their part, IMHO.
Rain88,Is your dog a Beagle?
Guin,I see how you can feel this way, BUT, I do think that Jodi and Kevin are helping, even though it seems so scummy.You said this comment-but I totally agree that the "advocates" have not shown me that their commitment to the Gosselin children is remotely sincere.I really think Jodi and Kevin care about these kids. There is probably so much we don't even know.Really, who cares if it helps get protection in line for the 8 children?Everyone surrounding this show are bottom feeders if you ask me.
I would like to say that I noticed Collin's rocking as well. Right away, at it did concern me. I have a child who started doing this in her Kindergarten class. The teacher brought it to my attention. After being evaluated by a child pscychologist, we discovered there was a problem of concern. The doctor informed me that rocking is a sign of upset, distraught or anxious kids, sometimes kids with ADHD do it as well. He also said happy and well adjusted kids do it as a comforting habit. Just to say that I think more people might have picked up on that than one may realize.
Watched most of that interview and could not stomach anymore.But I will state the obvious as I had done on the GWOP pages in the past.1. Wants the show to stop b/c they care about their nieces and nephews.2. Wants laws to protect kids in reality tv.Ummmm....so is it okay for kids to be on or not.Passing laws for reality tv would be no different than acting laws of child actors. I don't find it terribly invasive to document children. Sure maybe some time limits...but the drama in saying that a child shouldn't be taped when crying or hugging their parent is too damn nitpicky. The places that a child actor has to go to create a believable character in some depictions--is much more mind numbing than a kid throwing a temper tantrum. I think it is naive to advocate on behalf of reality tv stars on one hand but be so hell bent against a family making the choice to be on reality tv.I find what Kevin and Jodi to be doing as ill timed and not to the benefit of the children. The time to speak up was 2 years ago.Not when a tabloid documents a cheating Jon and the crap hits the fan.They are exploiting a situation--and while I believe the words that come out of their mouths, I doubt the sincerity of which they speak.Since we do not have an alternative universe we will never know if Jon and Kate were doomed to this type of marital strive. We will have no idea. It is all pure speculation to presume that the show caused this.Advocates don't sit on their butts for 2 years until the time is convenient to speak up.And how they could keep a straight face and say that Jon and Kate don't care about the kids.Tsk tsk tsk.Such harsh phrases will not lead to reconciliation. There is no way the Kevin and Jodi can see into their hearts to know what they feel.Actions speak louder than words--but sometimes people make different choices than we would make and it doesn't mean that they are selfish for doing so.Geesh.Any public schooling parents on here? I'd be happy to share my actions speak louder than words bit on how you don't care for your kids.This is sarcasm and something I would never do as a homeschooling mom. We all make the choices we feel best suits our children.But I cannot tell you how many people think I am making a poor choice and if it was up to them, they'd make sure that I would make their right choice.But the first amendment protects my educational choices for my children.I'm sure the courts would--in some ways--give parents leeway on their parenting choices if and when it includes reality television.That would surely throw these child advocates into a tailspin.But it is my supposition that while laws will be put in place to protect the kids, these laws will be far more limited than child-actor laws in retaining a parents rights to make child rearing choices without government intervention.I'm not wording that right--but hope you can understand what I mean.
I think that neither Kate nor Jon are ever going to be able to get back to "regular" jobs. The paparazzi would simply follow them. No hospital or health care facility would want to hire a nurse whose presence is disruptive, attracting photographers and gossip newshounds who don't let the normal barriers get in their way. Think it'll die? Britney Spears still gets followed into Starbucks etc. even though she's seemed to have turned her life around and is no longer a train wreck!It's probably why Jon seems so to suffer so much ennui: He allegedly wants nothing more than to become anonymous again, and it ain't gonna happen. In this situation, they might as well make the best of it--in Kate's case, writing books and becoming a speaker/expert on TV shows and these "women's shows" that I never heard of until I started reading about the Gosselins appearing at them :)If filming of the children stops, then I think most people would be content with that. "Exploitation" ended, yay! Unless, of course, the real issue that you don't want Kate to succeed at anything except becoming an anonymous grind.
She is only criticized for selling her children's privacy.No, she is not ONLY criticized for that. She is also criticized for: her hair, the way she dresses, the way she talks, the way she treats her husband, the way she treats her kids, the way she treats fans, the shade of her skin, the shoes she wears, her absence from home, her commitment to organic food, her habit of complaining, her sense of humor, her relationships or lack thereof with her family, her supposed lack of education, her choice not to selectively reduce, her supposed lack of gratitude, for not being humble enough, for not being gracious enough, for not submitting to her husband, for losing her temper, for having a tattoo, for supposedly having plastic surgery, for being a clean freak, for the way she shows affection for her kids, for the way that she goes about "giving back", for going to a spa, for not buying a big enough cake for the sextuplets' 5th birthday, for the way she laughs, for how long it takes her to clean a refrigerator, for having two refrigerators, for not letting her kids have dessert when they hadn't finished their dinner, for forcing her husband to have more kids, for trapping her husband into marriage, for not playing with her kids, for wanting a different career, for brushing hair in the kitchen, for brushing teeth in the kitchen, for having bibs on her children past babyhood, for having a "wonky" eye.The above is just a tip-of-the-iceberg list.
I have defended Jodi and Kevin and their right to speak out, but it is time for them to hush. They have had their say, and if they are profitting from their "concern", they should be ashamed. I hope they have put whatever money they have earned into a trust for the Gosselin children. Isn't that where all money related to them should go?(according to "advocates")It is so sad that there doesn't appear to be anyone in the children's lives with any common sense. On the up side, they appear to be happy, loved, healthy little people. (I don't think their acting skills could be that great.) I hope the "adults" in this situation, get their act together before that changes.
Guin, One again I agree with every word! You hit the nail (s) on the head! Kate can't win for losing, so, IMHO, she should do what she thinks is best for her family, because there are a lot of people who will never be satisfied with anything she does...
I just went on the TLC website and watched the video of Collin rocking. I totally have a different theory. He was holding his jacket and he was rocking because he was cold. It was a damp, chilly day and he had been out in the cold dressed for summer. I felt for all the kids dressed up in their summer best, even if they had jackets/sweaters on a damp, chilly day you get cold. Which brings me to why don't you have your kids dressed appropriately for the weather, birthday or not. Kate, herself put on a jacket cause she was getting cold.
for having a "wonky" eye.That is too funny. Are we certain these are even adults?PS- Don't forget the water :)
Well my concern with the aunt and uncle being paid was true. Perez Hilton just confirmed that they were paid $30K for yesterday's interview. Hmm a little hypocritical to me. At least we all know that their concern is monetary as well. He even states that they are looking at other avenues with the same monetary gain. How sad to say that the parents should stop exploiting the children but they are doing the same exact thing. How can they be believed.
This is all fascinating, in a flaming car crash sort of way. Human nature ya know? My advice for Jodie and Kevin is to make sure they have proof of whatever private nastiness they are currently airing. Libel and slander is a messy business. What, precisely, do they want to achieve here? Yes, I know all about their "advocacy" claims, but let's be realistic. I am of the camp that feels these children are not being abused in any way shape or form. Perhaps I am naive, but what with having children of my own- I know that children are vocal and usually refreshingly honest. I feel strongly that if the children, especially Cara and Maddy, were feeling uncomfortable or upset with filming- they would make it obvious with words and actions. And TLC, in everlasting chase for drama which = good tv, would air it. I feel if the kids were being "forced", this too would be shown. I fail to see this happening. I am of the opinion that a good bit of Jodie and Kevin's motivation is stemming from natural envy. they were part of this, now; for whatever reasoning, they are not- meanwhile Jon and Kate and the kids are more popular than ever. Can anyone really not understand where jealousy might come from? I feel that if there were really an issue pertaining to the health or well-being of the children, authorities would have been involved by now. Perhaps I am biased.I happen to have had family members that felt that I may have had it a bit better than them. Their response? Alot of non-sensical whispering behind my back. It hurt, they won that round. Was it true? It didn't have to be in my case. But with the Gosselins...well, let's just say I would be extra careful what I was saying about them. Please do not assume I am a "Jon and Kate are perfect parents who can do no wrong" type of poster. But I am also not the opposite. I do not feel they are abusing or exploiting their children. I feel they are human beings who have faults and issues, like all of us; except for the fact that by wanting this show to air, they have given up any rights to privacy in their lives. And therein lies the rub. Whether Kate states that she wants to be a celebrity or not, that is exactly what she and her family have becomes. The only way to stop that is to take the show off the air. As long as they open their house to all the viewers, things like extended family and friends weighing in will continue. The media will continue to scrutinize their every move, and yes, truth will be exaggerated and rumors will continue to surface. That's life as a public figure. As for those examining any of the kids behaviors or personalities- shame on you. First off- unless you have treated any of the children in a professional capacity- you must logically realize what you see is only a snippet of their everyday lives. Edited for drama and excitement. It is not a full on expose of their lives as a whole. Secondly, kids have quirks. My 13 month old hums herself to sleep. Humming is a symptom of being mentally ill. Does that mean my 13 month old is mentally ill? My 8 year old swings his leg when he sits at the dinner table- is he having a seizure? Thirdly, does constant dissection of any and all aired behaviors lead to a diagnosis or first hand factual information? Unless you live with them, I find it hard to give credence to anyone's judgments on them. I apologize in advance if anyone takes offense at this post- I was not meant with malice. I am simply frustrated with those who camp in one extreme or the other, without acknowledging that this is in fact a television show, complete with editing and yes some scripted events. I just fail to see how bashing them will help anyone's lives. JMO of course.
NicoleI'm not sure of the breed of my dog. We got him as a stray from the SPCA. We suspect he's part shepherd and lab but he definitely has a beagle face.
Momof3plus2 said... Well my concern with the aunt and uncle being paid was true. Perez Hilton just confirmed that they were paid $30K for yesterday's interview. ----------------Umm, I wouldn't take ANYTHING Perez Hilton says as fact.
The concerned aunt and uncle have been interviewed for star magazine and they pay for the trash. So it all adds up - the aunt and uncle are money hungry and will trash their family to earn it. If they truly cared for the children they would be quiet and resolve this in other ways. Interviews are paid for and that is a given.
I have watched the show from day one. I knew the moment I saw the episode of them renewing their vows that there were problems brewing. As far as Kevin&Jodi, well who doesn't have people like that in their families? Everyone gossips about their own families and if they are getting paid for it, sobeit. They were involved for some time and in the end this reality show just ruined another family unity. I pray for Jon& Kate & everyone, end it peacefully, please. Tara
Momof3plus2 said... If they truly cared for the children they would be quiet and resolve this in other ways. ........With all due respect...we don't know what other ways have been tried...we don't know what avenues have been taken before they turned to the media. IMHO...if I had something to say you know I wouldn't be quiet about it. Trust me...if you do care about someone then "being quiet" may be the EASIEST thing to do but it might not be the BEST thing.Sometimes doing the right thing has the most "fall out".
Carla stated:I am of the camp that feels these children are not being abused in any way shape or form. Here is what the Nation's Leading Group for Children and Television says about this show - Please Read and let us all know if you you still feel the children are not being ABUSED.And keep in mind, this group includes experts in Child Psychiatry, Education (National PTA), Media, Pediatrics and Faith/Christianity."these poor children are being televised. It’s outrageous. Of course it has an effect.” Dr. Michael Brody, Media Chairman of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry said. He believes that the scrutiny, attention, and responsibilities placed on the children “is child abuse.”He goes on to say:Echoing what many have already said, Brody states, “The only way to help these kids is to get them off television. Somebody should intercede, some organization. The show should stop, aren’t there child labor laws? Can’t these kids have some protection?”(here is more about the group):The Children's Media Policy Coalition is a broad group of public health, child advocacy and education organizations including: American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, American Academy of Pediatrics, Benton Foundation, Children Now, Office of Communication of the United Church of Christ, National Parent Teacher Association.So, are you really an expert beyond all these National Organization?As a parent, I will stay with my own analysis - and the experts - what these kids are being subjected to IS child abuse.The good news is, WE can stop it.Just stop watching (and pray for the family).
With all due respect...we don't know what other ways have been tried...we don't know what avenues have been taken before they turned to the media. IMHO...if I had something to say you know I wouldn't be quiet about it. Trust me...if you do care about someone then "being quiet" may be the EASIEST thing to do but it might not be the BEST thing.Sometimes doing the right thing has the most "fall out".In theory, sure. But in practice, I think most reasonable people would conclude that this is not the case here. I don't think it works to say, "Well, the kids were being exploited, Kevin and Jodi had to do SOMETHING", when what they did was take money to gossip about the Gosselins to a tabloid, including repeating some scurrilous and so far apparently baseless rumors about Kate having an affair. No one has said one remotely convincing word IMO that even begins to prove that what Kevin and Jodi have done will help the Gosselin children in any way, shape or form. On the contrary, I think they have hurt them, and have apparently taken money to do so. At least J&K can say that the money they have "made off of their kids" (if you want to see it that way) actually goes to support those kids. Unless Kevin and Jodi are putting their blood money into a fund for the Gosselin children, they can't say the same.PA Mom, I will have to read up on that group and the speaker. I am immediately wary of doctors who diagnose through the TV screen - I think it's unethical and unprofessional, and they almost always seem to be doing it to get their names in the papers and/or on TV. As for the organization, anyone can slap a name up and call themselves the leading national organization of whatever. I'm not clear if these are your words or someone else's but: "So, are you really an expert beyond all these National Organization?" - I don't claim to be an expert on any of this but I also don't blindly accept someone's else's supposed expertise. And I agree that people who think that the show is exploitive should not watch it, or any other reality show that features children. Of course, they should also not shop at Wal-Mart or any other vendor that imports products made by exploited children. Children in sweatshops across the world are HORRIBLY exploited, far worse than the Gosselin children, and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to be hypocritical enough to have a problem with the Gosselins but be okay with buying shoes made by some 9-year-old in Indonesia simply because they are affordable.P.S. You might want to pray for those kids, too.
PA Mom:If that organization did a full investigation, I might be inclined to let their expertise matter. But since they are watching as passive observers like the rest of the nation, what they are proclaiming is simply rhetoric.I forget which magazine it was--but an attorney was quoted as saying that these children aren't doing what is classified as work. They are doing what they ordinarily do.So these experts--what would they say about parents who take butt shots of their infants, tub shots, or video document their own children.Sure taping is affecting them in some way. But child abuse?Come on!They are wondering where the child labor laws are.Well once they include reality television workers in any capacity, they will soon discover that the children can indeed work and be paid for it.It is the often missed oxymoron in the Gosselin Children Advocate camp.On one hand they want them to be covered by the law (which would permit them to be filmed--lots!) and then on the other they want them off the air.I think it is a travesty and yet another organization touting their virtues yet having no personal first hand accounts of what actually takes place when the children are being filmed.
Also, we were talking about the gosselin children.but of course, i doubt a single sole here condones exploitation of any children, no matter where they live.i think it's sad you believe one is worse than the other.exploitation is exploitation.damage is damage.children deserve protection no matter where the live in the world.the fact that you state otherwise is actually quite frightening... and i pray none of my children ever encounter you or anyone who thinks such shameful things!one is not worse than the other. it's all bad.my family does not purchase any product that exploits children.in fact, we don't purchase any products that exploit any humans. period.never have. never will.
Guin....LOVES your comprehensive list! LMAO. SO, SO TRUE.It's not "just about the children." Advocacy is the convenient excuse that they're STILL hiding behind. Truth is, they won't be satisfied unless Kate is destroyed. Let's say that TLC offers Kate a job as a host of a show on the network. No Jon, No kids. Do you think the "advocates" would leave her alone? Oh, hell no. The letter writing campaign would begin to have THAT show taken off the air. She's rude to guests, she's condescending, her hair/clothes/make-up look bad, she's gaining weight, she's losing too much weight, her tan is a funny color, her dye job is bad, she looks crappy in that color, she talks about the kids too much, she mispronounces words, insiders say that she's rude to the crew and makes unreasonable demands, the kids are allowed to run all over the set, she's fired 10 make-up/hair/clothing stylists, she gives her co-host "love taps," she's a man hater, she's too conservative, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, predictable-cakes. The one thing that stands out for me in the JO-KE interview, is that even though they play the "we're just here because of the children" look-at-us-we're-so-sympathetic card, there is a snarky-snooty, passive aggressive comment out of Jodi which is quite revealing. When the vow renewal is brought up, Jodi can't help but let everyone know that it was "just for ratings." ME-OW, honey. Tell us how you really feel. No, your actual motives were quite clear to me as soon as you said THAT. The vow renewal was back in August, way before the reported six month time line of when the marriage began to go south. Sure, it was a freebie, but if it was "just for ratings," then it was all an act, right? Okay, Jodi. Sounds like someone's jealous that her in-laws got a free trip to Hawaii.
Well I tried googling the information on that group and it seems...well...the only link I can find is to another website that doesn't speak kindly of this one.And while they (the mentioned organization) mean well and good, they are desensitizing folks to true child abuse by labeling this show child abuse.They are also discrediting themselves for they should have had an issue with this show several years ago and should ALSO be advocated for the Table for 12 Kids, the Duggar clan and any other "family/kid" shows out there.It seems more a pile on the bandwagon piss parade to me than it is true advocacy.
And I agree that people who think that the show is exploitive should not watch it, or any other reality show that features children. Of course, they should also not shop at Wal-Mart or any other vendor that imports products made by exploited children. Children in sweatshops across the world are HORRIBLY exploited, far worse than the Gosselin children, and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to be hypocritical enough to have a problem with the Gosselins but be okay with buying shoes made by some 9-year-old in Indonesia simply because they are affordable.P.S. You might want to pray for those kids, too.If you weren't a chick (and were....you know...standing right in front of me) I'd kiss you.I hate WalMart. I shop there only when absolutely necessary, because they're the only box store in my town. But I totally agree about the actual definition of child exploitation, and it's not what we're seeing at the Gosselin home. Is their life ideal? No, who's is? Are they happy and healthy? Yes. They smile, laugh, chatter and say "please" and "thank-you." They are loving, smart, neat, clean, compassionate kids. The have absolutely everything they need, and then some. Kate and Jon must have done something right (not that they'd get any credit for this). Exploitation? Hmmm. Maybe it's actually the network that just ordered up FORTY new episodes (which is twice the usual amount). Maybe it's the network that ran a promo for Monday's show every fifteen minutes and who ran a J&K+8 marathon for the entire weekend. They showed the show NINETY-SEVEN TIMES leading up to Monday's ratings extravaganza. It was a bit of overkill, actually. Speaking of, I noticed that Tuesday's repeat of the "ratings extravaganza" was cut to 60 minutes rather than the 75 that was originally broadcast. I didn't watch the whole rerun on Tuesday. I wonder what got cut out.
Okay one more thing (i hope):someone actually said: "it's not "just about the children."Yes! yes it is!!!!And yes! the paps will go away.There were far more paps around nadya suleman (hundreds!!) while kate had two or three, which were hard to spot through her own film crew of about 15 people (multiple cameras, lighting, sound men, production assistants. There are pics of the party and you can count at least 15 different men with gear).and now, you see NO pap around nadya.fortunately, the tabloid media is fickle and will move on the the next thing, hopefully, back to adults!!Who cares what people say about Kate?It's not about her.She is an adult and can take care of herself.It IS about the children.What will it take for you to see that? One of the children to commit suicide?(that has been happening in record numbers with kids being "exposed" and scrutinized by classmates on the internet - can you imagine what one glimpse of all this stuff you are saying will do to just one child?)Please -- STOP IT!IT IS about the children!!!!!Have a Heart...please!!!
PA Mom, we had to reject your last comment - we try not to post personal attacks. If you'd like to resubmit it without the attacking statements, please do so.
Momynomous's "googling" apparently isn't working. Mine is, so let me help you out.This group is recognized as the LEADING organization in consulting with children's issues and the LEADING organization that our government agencies, which set NATIONAL policy, including the FCC.The FCC is the Federal Communications Commission which has the FINAL SAY on what is broadcast and who gets to broadcast it.I'm sorry, but if you are going to dismiss a LEADING NATIONAL organization that consults with the FCC, the National Institutes of Health and helps PROTECT young children, then you have issues.The group is comprised of the National PTA (parent/teacher organization), the nations premier and eminent Child Psychiatry EXPERTS, a leading Church group, etc.I think they know just a tad more than you.They call it abuse.I agree.It is ABUSE!
PA Mom -I put your comment left at 5:14 p.m., but let's take down a notch, ok?You clearly feel very strongly about this matter and I respect that, but some of your language is really bordering on unsuitable.All of us care about the Gosselin children to some degree or we probably wouldn't be posting on this board.I think all of us need to take a deep breath and realize that ratcheting up the hysteria is likely counter productive.
i think it's sad you believe one is worse than the other.exploitation is exploitation.damage is damage.children deserve protection no matter where the live in the world.the fact that you state otherwise is actually quite frightening... and i pray none of my children ever encounter you or anyone who thinks such shameful things!Seriously, I think it's sad and frightening when someone cannot distinguish a pebble from a boulder. Children do deserve protection, but to act as if there are no degrees to abuse or exploitation does not help advance your case. Yes, damage is damage, but that does not mean that a paper cut=decapitation. They are both "damage", but yes, one IS worse than the other, and there is nothing sad or frightening about acknowledging that fact.If you weren't a chick (and were....you know...standing right in front of me) I'd kiss you.Aw, thanks! I'd let you. Maybe we could plan a trip to Vermont...I do agree with you about the overkill. TLC has not been as responsible as they could be about this show, they've definitely seemed to favor ratings over balance and the well-being of the family, and J&K have had a say in that too. I wish all this hullaboo would die down because I think the paparazzi circus *is* bad for the kids. I didn't necessarily agree that the "potty shots" and denied cupcakes were, but the explosion of attention on the family is troubling. It just bugs me that those who have instigated it to a degree are the same ones who were howling when it was a quiet little show on an obscure cable network. These are the same people who will say, "I was watching x old episode last night, and the family was so much happier, etc.", but when x episode originally aired, they were calling for Kate's head because of some trifling thing that she did.Speaking of, I noticed that Tuesday's repeat of the "ratings extravaganza" was cut to 60 minutes rather than the 75 that was originally broadcast. I didn't watch the whole rerun on Tuesday. I wonder what got cut out.I have the 60 minute version DVRed because I accidently deleted the original one. I don't know that I'll watch the whole thing again (or even remember what was cut), but I'm curious, too. Maybe they squeezed out a few fewer commercials, since I know someone said there seemed to be a lot in the original airing (and I can bet they were selling more advertising than usual for that one, assuming they can sell commercial spots that close to the premiere).PA Mom, I think you need to reread what MCB wrote - I don't think you understood her point when she said "it's not just about the children". And while you may not care about a group of women who are devoting their time to try to ruin the life of a total stranger, maybe you should consider that hurting Kate, and especially hurting Kate's ability to earn a living, does affect her children.
That wouldn't be "pennmommy" back again, would it?
MoreCowbell said: I noticed that Tuesday's repeat of the "ratings extravaganza" was cut to 60 minutes rather than the 75 that was originally broadcast. I didn't watch the whole rerun on Tuesday. I wonder what got cut out.MoreCowbell, I'm pretty sure the initial episode run on Monday was stretched out to accomodate commercials, and didn't contain any more content than the usual 1-hour ep. I believe this because on Monday, I noticed that I had enough time to brush my teeth during a commercial break, when usually I don't :)
Hello! I agree it should be about the kids.I don't watch, so I can't say one way or the other about the mom and her parenting skills.The fact that dozens of well-respected child psychologists are saying this is bad for the kids and child abuse.Well, that's enough for me!I'm certainly not an expert, just a mom who knows what's best for my kids and that is not to sell their pictures and private lives. That's just me. I defer to the experts.I also don't think anyone is hurting the mom's ability to earn a living.She's a nurse, right?Always room for nurses.I think the constant focus on the mom just takes away from the real issue. The kids need to be taken off the air. That's obvious.Good luck to all!
I'm on the fence....I hear what you are all saying about Jodi & Kevin and I take everything into consideration although you know I'm not a huge fan anymore. These conversations have given me a lot of food for thought.It's exhausting!!
Okay, I googled the doctor, and here are two of the first four links that came up (there was one link that was from 2006 that wasn't related to the Gosselins, and another to a Gosselin hate site that I don't visit because it's exceedingly coarse and I feel like I need a penicillin shot after reading the comments):This is from a Yahoo article:Michael Brody, media chairman of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, said the treatment of the Gosselin children may amount to abuse, though he added that he had not met the family."Look at what has happened to all these child stars," Brody said. "Most of these people are in rehab or they're involved in child abuse, it's horrendous."So, he's saying that it *may* be abuse, he's acknowledging that he hasn't evaluated the family, and then he goes on to talk (rather irresponsbibly and anecdotally, IMO, for a medical professional) about child stars in general.The second link really makes me wonder about this guy, no matter what his credentials are. This is from Radar Online:“I don’t care if the father goes out and gets run over, or the mother shoots herself, that’s their choices. They’re adults. These poor children are being televised. It’s outrageous. Of course it has an effect.” Dr. Michael Brody, Media Chairman of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry said. He believes that the scrutiny, attention, and responsibilities placed on the children “is child abuse.”He's a doctor, apparently a psychiatrist, and he doesn't CARE if Kate Gosselin commits SUICIDE? Are you kidding me? First of all, just from a psychiatristic professional/compassionate standpoint, such a statement is outrageous. Second of all, he doesn't think a parent's suicide would have a negative effect on her children?What the heck is this guy smoking? I am PERFECTLY willing to give him credit for his professional knowledge and any responsible assessment he may want to do of the show. The rest of his comments have some merit, though I don't think it's responsible of him to talk in absolutes. But the sentence above is so out there it really makes me question his integrity and judgment.I will google some more later.
PA Mom said... Who cares what people say about Kate? It's not about her. She is an adult and can take care of herself.---Who cares what is said about Kate? As a self-professed advocate for the Gosselin children, YOU should care. She is the mother of these children. They will be able to Google her one day and have the joy of reading comments comparing their mother to women who murder their children, calling her the most evil human being ever to walk the planet, etc.,talking about how much she hates her children (all except Hannah of course), etc. And let's not forget all the salacious gossip fueled by saintly Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin which does nothing, nada, zippo to help these children. Since you seem to think you care so much more about the children than anyone else, perhaps you can enlighten me as to how any of the viciousness expressed toward Kate helps them.
I also don't think anyone is hurting the mom's ability to earn a living.She's a nurse, right?Always room for nurses.Since you don't watch the show, you're perhaps not aware that there is a small group of women who hate Kate Gosselin with a passion. They have proudly proclaimed that they have called CPS on her, called the IRS on her, and harrassed ministers at churches where she is scheduled to speak. These women routinely denigrate Kate in the worst terms, comparing her to murderers and calling her a monster and evil. They do not appear to be exaggerating and seem to be dead serious about "bringing her down". I don't doubt these women would hound any hospital that hired Kate and feel completely righteous in doing so.
I think people can and have made a descion about both Jon and Kate based on all the shows they have seen. I think it is a fair and accurate portrayal of them both. I feel 100% confident in stating that in my opinion Kate is a self-centered person. She has anxiety and control issues and I think she was at one time pretty insecure altough I think she may have changed in that area due to her own circumstances changing. She is noticed now as an author, and attractive well dressed woman. That attention has probably given her a false sense of wellness about herself. However, I think Kate's issues have caused much of the problem that are facing their marriage currently. I think they would have had problems with or without the show.It really pisses me off when I read that Jon and Kate are victims of TLC, as if they didn't make conscious choices.While Jon may indeed be acting out at this time, I see every reason why he would not want to be married to Kate any longer, just as much as I see that through Kate's eyes.I would like everyone to see this through the kids eyes.
If she'd be harassed by working as a nurse, why can't she continue on with her fame tour and limit her speaking events to once a month?
If Kate wants to be an author, why shouldn't she? Yes, right now is probably a pretty stressful time for the family but honestly, why do people think that they should dictate what Kate does for a career? Many parents have to travel for their jobs. Many parents are in the public eye. Authors do book tours, actors leave for months at a time to make movies and do publicity. Reporters go into war zones. No one presumes to tell JK Rowling that she shouldn't have traveled all over the world to promote her books though she had small children. I'm not picking on anyone in particular but this line of thinking has always puzzled me.
If she'd be harassed by working as a nurse, why can't she continue on with her fame tour and limit her speaking events to once a month?Because that's not how it works. When you write a book, if you want that book to sell, you have to do a book tour and you have to do it when the book comes out. Books (with the exception of the classics) have a notoriously short shelf life (no pun intended). You can't write a book and do once a month appearances/signings for the next year. A year from now, you may not even find it on the shelves at Barnes and Noble. The immediate sales numbers have the most impact. How much you sell right out of the gate determines if there will be a second or third printing. You don't sell copies, you don't make anything. Book tours are vital. Didn't you guys ever see "Cheaper by the Dozen?" LOL. Yeah, that's a fictional movie, but it's fairly accurate in that Kate (huh...coincidence) has to leave town and leave her hubby in charge of their dozen kids for nearly a month if she wants her book to sell (and Dad can't handle the mayhem, she cuts her tour off early and comes back and fights with Dad about who should sacrifice their career and who shouldn't....huh. Coincidence again.) Except in the movie, they compromise (mom's still an author, dad takes a job coaching at a smaller school). In the movies, they all live happily every after, I guess. In real life, Dad rebels, gets a cool car and young, bar hoppin' friends to party with and moves out....oh, and the tabloids close in and the relatives sell out....
Alright, this is what I said on another site. It bears repeating. Also, I was mad.Really, Kate's the worst type of abusive mother, huh? Well, when you've spent 16 hours learning to tell the difference between belt marks, cord marks, and cane marks on a child the age of five, examined photos of starved children, learned to tell the difference between slipshod housekeeping and environmental negligence, examined handprints LEFT ON INFANTS, maybe, just MAYBE, you might get why a mom who puts food on the damn table, a roof over their heads and smiles with them once in a while, even if she's not puppies and sunshine all the damn time, even if she admits she's a bitch, maybe you might get why the CPS of their state will listen to the complaints, investigate and probably do nothing. Just because they didn't make their choices without your express approval doesn't make them abusive. Just because you didn't do it doesn't make it wrong.I don't even like the woman, but come on!*edited to removal multiple swear words*
Thank you, Dr. H! I can think of a few other sites where this should be posted, too!!
If she'd be harassed by working as a nurse, why can't she continue on with her fame tour and limit her speaking events to once a month?I was only responding to the OP, who didn't seem to think she should have a choice of professions. Brava, Dr. H! I couldn't agree more. That does not mean that people can't/shouldn't criticize Kate for what she does wrong. But the people who don't GET that degrees exist for rightness and wrongness, who see everything in black and white - those people confuse the hell out of me. I don't understand how you can go through life with that kind of thinking.
Excellent, Dr. H. Thank you.
TLC extended the episode because it went into a second hour and they can claim ratings victory for 2 TOTAL hours even though second hour was only 15 minutes. It was a smart network decision made in advance because they knew millions more would be tuning in because of all the cheating and negative publicity. Very, very smart move which indicates a brilliant, even devious, production team.
Thank you, Dr. H! I can think of a few other sites where this should be posted, too!!What? And pour water on the witch hunts? Surely, you jest!Not that Dr. H's post would ever see the light of day on those other sites. God forbid their hypocritical definition of "advocacy" ever be challenged with actual common sense. Oh, and Dr. H? YOU FREAKING ROCK.
Is there evidence that Jodi and Kevin were paid for their interviews? How would we find it?Does anyone know if any of Kate's speaking schedule has been changed?
I saw the interview on the Early Show with Kate's brother & SIL. I truly thought that they really wanted to protect J&K's children.That would be dissapointing if the allegations are true about Kate's brother shopping to get money for a tell-all book. I hope it isn't.And if it isn't true then I hope that by Kevin & Jody coming foward will help PA officials look into child labor laws for reality star children and change them so that children do not get exploited.
Sigh! Dr. H, I couldn't agree more. I'm so disgusted with the "abuse" word being thrown around. It's unfair to real abuse victims to diminish their suffering by equating it to being potty-trained for a TV show at the age of 2 or 3.
Yeah, I sent in my post to the other site. Na-da.
Momynomous's "googling" apparently isn't working. Mine is, so let me help you out.*******************PA Mom--your sarcasm was quite rude and most uncalled for.You aren't really trying to help when you pull a pot shot like that.
"my family does not purchase any product that exploits children.in fact, we don't purchase any products that exploit any humans. period.never have. never will."What is your definition of exploitation?
"What will it take for you to see that? One of the children to commit suicide?(that has been happening in record numbers with kids being "exposed" and scrutinized by classmates on the internet - can you imagine what one glimpse of all this stuff you are saying will do to just one child?)Please -- STOP IT!"The two children that recently committed suicide did so b/c they were taunted to be gay.Neither of these children may have been gay. Neither of these children lived lives in front of the camera.The fault of their death rests solely with the bullies and the children who raised them.Laws should be in place to protect children from bullies--not limit what they can do in life b/c folks can't help themselves to chastise and name call those who are different.That's backwards thinking and places more rights upon those who are doing wrong against.Stop the bullying and the world will be a better place.If you truly cared to make this comparison and truly cared for children, you would have mentioned the horrible creatures who teased those poor boys who committed suiced b/c they couldn't take it any more.I was teased in my youth as I am sure you might have been as well. Would you want your freedoms restricted to prevent the teasing, or would you want tighter rules/laws to discipline those who feel they have a right to emotionallly harm you with hate speech?I would prefer the latter myself. We should be able to coexist peacefully without threat of abuse from rude people who like to call names and belittle people.
"I'm sorry, but if you are going to dismiss a LEADING NATIONAL organization that consults with the FCC, the National Institutes of Health and helps PROTECT young children, then you have issues."Your attacks are noted!Please refrain from insulting me in anyway--that is called bullying and I will not stand for it.I will be happy to debate the merits of that organization when you choose to post in a less hostile manner.I enjoy HEALTHY debate from all sides.
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