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as much as i'm not a fan of Kate, i can't imagine having to discuss such personal issues on a national tv show. that is just brutal.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30619003/?pg=2#TDY_JonKatePlus8This article from MSNBC is a good synopsis of the situation as well.
She just seems like no matter what happens, they will keep doing the show. How are their kids dealing with this? Their twins have got to be feeling the heat of this at school. This story is EVERYWHERE. Is that fair to them? I just can't see how this show is worth all of this.
I can't believe I am going to post this but here goes. Jon doesn't want to continue with the show anymore and Kate does. He knows that he cannot stand up to her because her will is stronger than his. Jon deals with Kate in a passive-aggressive way and I think that somewhere inside him he is subconsciously sabotaging the show and may be trying to get back at her for not listening to him. I think that consciously he is seeking out friends (however misguided)that will treat him with the respect he doesn't get from his wife. I am not blaming Kate for his behavior, and I am not saying that Jon is guilty of what he's been accused of. Someone said that it takes 2 to break up a marriage and at first I disagreed with that. I think that the cheater (not saying Jon cheated) alone is responsible. But I do think it took the both of them to reach the point where Jon became so reckless. And in a way, he did cheat, if not physically, then emotionally by seeking friendships outside the marriage that Kate didn't know about.Kate treats him terribly. Berating him in front of the cameras for stupid stuff like not using a coupon, not being present to take care of something she wants when he is taking care of children in another part of the house, and lets not forget the ugly way she berated him on the couch for the way he was breathing. Now she is playing this up by publicly calling him irresponsible and acknowledging his indiscreet behavior.Guilty or not, Kate is going to milk this by holding it over his head until he falls in line like a whipped puppy. I hope they get Christian marriage counseling so that she can be reminded of what the Bible says about respecting your husband and he gets some assertiveness training that shows him how and where to set up boundaries, both inside and outside the marriage.
I feel sad that she said they will go on with the show no matter what..I really question her priorities.
I have no problem posting people's opinions. State your opinion and drop the "you guys" and "you people." I will not post lectures aimed at the people that post here.Also, choose a screen name that is not demeaning or offensive to anyone.
Ugh. I just read that an exboyfriend of the supposed woman Jon cheated with is shopping a sextape of him and her. Ugh. Just gross. This gets uglier by the minute. Kate seemed so tense. I don't envy the position she is in right now. And I'm not gonna get into a discussion about whether or not she put herself in that position cause to me, that's pointless now. For the sake of these little kids and what's best for them (the children!) I think they need to take stock and maybe deal with this privately (as she said) and maybe pull the plug for now. Maybe this is just my knee-jerk reaction but I can't see this getting any better. Honest to goodness I don't care if he cheated or not. That's him and Kate's business. I only care about the kids. The tups may be only 5 but they're old enough to understand their parents moods and feed off of tension even if they can't articulate it. I think it's time to close up shop and decide what's best for the family.
LulabaeI agree. It is my opinion the show needs to end.
Jon gave her an ultimatum at the end of Season 4. End the show or I walk. She did not and he did. Plain and simple. He has gone on to a new life while taking care of his kids at Home while Kate continues to travel with the dog- and -pony show. Yes, a new life includes a new girlfriend sometimes. Let him get on with his new life and move on while Kate stays bitter and rooted in the past because she knows most women will side with her and she wants to come out smelling like roses. I did not watch the interview. Did she say she had Mother's Day plans or was she asked when she saw her children last? Just curious.
Does the tabloid trade-off make it worth continuing the show? That was a key question from Meredith.I know it is their choice, but man, I feel for those kids and what they are enduring for the show.Did anyone hear about Gloria Allred and her suit against Nadia Suleman for the videotaping of the children and that the money should be in a trust for them and they shouldn't be exploited? I am curious if anyone sees a difference currently in the two families' situations.
I don't really care for Kate, but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt and hope that she is continuing on with this grueling charade because she knows she's going to be a single mom in the future and needs to milk this show for all it's worth before the program is cancelled and that income is gone. If that's not the case, then I am just disgusted at the greed of this woman at the expense of her children and marriage.
I just saw on perezhilton that this girl's ex is pushing a sex tape of him(not Jon) and her. There are stills from the tape and I must warn, they are VERY graphic.I just do not understand how a person could to that to someone. This girl is could seriously lose her job over this. What a dirtbag.
I wish I could figure Kate out. On the one hand I have seen on tv such hideous behavior, on the other hand I see her speaking eloquently about the events in her life today. Is anyone else confused? I often wonder who is Kate Gosselin, especially after just reading the book. Having always been an avid viewer, and a fan for the first couple of years, I can't help to think that these 2 made their bed. I am NOT saying I think either of them deserve what is happening, but I think I am saying that the choices that Jon and kate have made over the years seet them up for a lot of problems. It hits a nerve with me when I hear kate say that they are doing their best for the kids. I am judging, but I say to myself how can you say that? Just can come to grips with any of this other than it makes me sad for the 8 children.
I am going to take a guess and say that the Gosselins have a contract with TLC and getting out at this moment may not be at all possible. They've already been shooting Season 5, so they may be obligated to finish the season. Just a guess. It was really uncomfortable to watch the interview, but I thought Kate handled it as well as she could have. I am really feeling for the twins-it can't be easy for them right now. I hope for the kids' sake that Jon and Kate work on their marriage, preferably off camera.
hirsh mom said...I am going to take a guess and say that the Gosselins have a contract with TLC and getting out at this moment may not be at all possible. Hirsh Mom, thanks for bringing this up. In all the discussions about what the Gosselins should do, I haven't heard anyone bring up the fact that it may not be as simple as just saying, "no, we aren't interested in doing Season Five after all."
I feel bad for Kate, she obviously is having a hard time dealing with it and looked very sad on the Today show interview. I do wish she would own up to the fact that they put themselves out there for the world to see, and that if they continue to do so all this gossip is going to continue as well.She says everything she does is for her children but I am starting to wonder how true that is. If she really cared about the children she would pull this plug on this whole thing right now. I am glad she didnt bring them on the today show with her but if the show continues this will too and evreything will get back to them. I think they have more than enough money to live comfortably at this point, at least I hope that they have college funds for the kids and a good amount in savings and that they didnt blow it all on their lavish lifestyle. For the kids sake i really hope this show is cancelled soon.
Curious said...Jon gave her an ultimatum at the end of Season 4. End the show or I walk. She did not and he did. Plain and simple. He has gone on to a new life while taking care of his kids at Home while Kate continues to travel with the dog- and -pony show. Curious, unless you are another insider ala Penn Mommy, you know no such thing for a FACT. Jon has only very recently expressed any reservations about the show and they just happened to coincide with him getting caught (the first time) by the tabloids for acting inappropriately.I watched the final episode of Season 4 and no ultimatum was delivered by Jon. He made some namby pamby vague statement to the effect of 'maybe we will be back and maybe we won't.' He also complained about the lack of privacy. That was it.Hardly the line in the sand you are portraying.
RE the sex tape: Another gossip site posted it before Perez, and commentors said that it's actually video from several years ago from a more, er, comprehensive movie. At least one Perez commentor said so, as well. Another troll strikes.
I feel terrible for the kids. Kate SAYS the kids are her top priority yet her actions show otherwise. The show has gone completely away from the sweet, real life moments of the first season. It's all about money for the parents at this point. I can't watch any more. Please, get off the air and really spend time with your family. Your children need you now, 100%, more than ever Kate!I completely understand Kate's need for privacy in regards to this issue. But what about her children's need for privacy? Mady certainly struggles with certain issues and always has--why not afford her the same privacy Kate desires?? How would Kate feel if her family forced her to react and respond to these difficult issues in front of a camera, in her own home, to be broadcast around the world? That's basically what Kate is doing when they force Mady to be filmed having tantrums, crying, etc. They are forcing her to deal with "stuff" on camera. I'm so sad for this family. Please, we understand if you need to end the show ASAP. Do it now before the kids are grown and gone and in counseling for years on end.
I can't believe I am going to post this but here goes. Jon doesn't want to continue with the show anymore and Kate does. He knows that he cannot stand up to her because her will is stronger than his. Jon deals with Kate in a passive-aggressive way and I think that somewhere inside him he is subconsciously sabotaging the show and may be trying to get back at her for not listening to him. I think that consciously he is seeking out friends (however misguided)that will treat him with the respect he doesn't get from his wife. While this makes a certain amount of sense as a theory, I don't really think it happened that way. I think you're flipping cause and effect. What I think happened was that Jon got caught up in his "celebrity" status and began hanging out with these new "friends". Maybe with Kate gone he felt more freedom to come and go as he pleased, since the kids are older and they have help. Maybe these "friends" stroked Jon's ego, one that has *perhaps* been damaged. Damaged maybe by Kate, but also maybe by all the women who post comments online suggesting that he has been emasculated. My sense is that Jon has been okay in the past with his and Kate's relationship; mostly he seemed to blow off her harping and nagging. I can't help but wonder, though, what the effect of constantly being told by the outside world that you're not a real man because you haven't backhanded your bitchy wife for being too controlling.I take Jon's statement on the last episode at face value - he feels a little lost now because he does not have as much to do with the kids and yet he doesn't have a job other than the show. He's not writing books; he's not traveling to speak nearly as much as Kate is. So I don't think that it was that Jon consciously wanted the show to end for any reason - I think it was that he was unhappy with his life for various reasons and so fell in with this crowd. And I think the consequences of his behavior since then - the tabloid attention - is what is making Jon feel, for the first time, that perhaps the show isn't worth it.Of course, none of us really know the truth of the matter; this is just the explanation that makes the most sense to me. I would certainly see it differently if Jon had *ever* publicly expressed reservations about the show before getting burned by the tabloids. As far as I know, had hadn't. Kate was the one who was unhappy with the loss of privacy, not Jon.
I do wish she would own up to the fact that they put themselves out there for the world to see, and that if they continue to do so all this gossip is going to continue as well.Johanna, she said "it goes with the territory and they've come to expect it". And before that “to come along for the ride”. I understood that to mean, that they are aware.I think, even though they put themselves out there, that this is indeed a private matter, she did address the gossip, and they're moving on...privately. I think she doesn’t owe the blogworld anymore than that. Remember, we are looking in from the outside without experiencing their life 24/7. So, we form conclusions or what we believe (sometimes in relation to our lives). However, what Kate thinks is best for her kids is up to her. It's her family. She's their mom. Is it what I would do with my family? Can't say I would. But,I also may not agree with half of the things and the way a lot of the women of this blog raise their children. But, I respect your decisions and opinions because it's your famlies and you know what's best for them. Same as I respect Kate's decisions she makes are for her family. She knows what's best for them. (and it may not be what we believe). So be it.
Anya, That is my opinion.No it was not a ultimatum, but I saw a very unhappy man who obviously was stepping out, maybe due to frustration with the constant intrusion into his personal life that he at once enjoyed and made him money, but he no longer can tolerate. Who knows what conversations they had about this previous to when the show aired and in private. Maybe this has been a problem for awhile and that is why he started acting out like a child. "Namby pamby" to you but not to me. I saw a marriage at a crossroads because one spouse is very unhappy with the direction his life is taking (and that can be why someone strays) and the other spouse feels very differently. "Maybe we will be back and maybe we won't" can mean many more things than just Season 5of a TV show. I do not know Pennys mommy or any insiders. I do think it interesting that the one who wanted it to (maybe) stop is home with his kids and keeping his mouth shut and the one who didn't is going into unnecessary overdrive with all these interviews. But let's not forget she thrives on this and said as much in the season ender. Do you think it strange that she hasn't cancelled Larry King or Today? These shows can be rescheduled and usually are when emergencies arise. I think she is OK financially and I don't think her publisher would be that upset with a mother who is pushing a book about her children (during Mother's Day week)going home to be with her 8 kids! Wouldn't that be a great marketing strategy? Especially since the news lately has painted the stay-at-home Dad as an awful cheat?
I do think it interesting that the one who wanted it to (maybe) stop is home with his kids and keeping his mouth shut and the one who didn't is going into unnecessary overdrive with all these interviews.Did it occur to you that the one who is "keeping his mouth shut" is also the one who has been implicated?
Just my two cents on the Today Show appearance. I think it was good for Kate to do the show and keep the date. I thought Meredith did a good job and was very fair and honest with her questions. I think Kate handled herself well.I'm glad Kate has not cancelled everything. It takes some courage to do what she is doing right now. I'm going to extend some courtesy and not "guess" or "speculate" who did what to whom. It's been made very clear in the blogosphere that everyone seems to know J&K from what they see on the show. Well, if this isn't proof of us not knowing what goes on behind close doors, then I don't know what is.I'm just curious, Curious, why you think Kate would be better off on her own than trying to work it out with her husband? I can only speak for myself. This isn't as simple as black or white. It is a huge area of gray and frankly, it is non of our business.
I do think it interesting that the one who wanted it to (maybe) stop is home with his kids and keeping his mouth shut and the one who didn't is going into unnecessary overdrive with all these interviews.I think that's probably a PR decision - Jon can't really be trusted to speak in public at this point. He's just not very articulate.I did want to mention that I've seen a number of references in this thread and a couple of others about how "horrible" Kate treats Jon. This is an old argument and I think we all got tired a long time ago of defending our personal definitions of "abuse", but because it keeps being said lately, I just want to say that I don't agree that she treats him horribly. She bitches at him a lot, yes. She is controlling and overbearing and her tone of voice with him is often just plain unnecessary. But I have never thought it rises to the level of abusive or horrible. It's more just annoying and unnecessary, IMO. Jon is not remotely cowed by her, I don't think. He has always had the option of asking her not to speak to him that way - when he gets snippy with her (which he does more than people ever seem to acknowledge), Kate is good about letting him know that he's crossing her boundaries. I'm not trying to blame the victim - Kate should treat Jon better without having to be told or asked to. But to go on about how horribly she treats him all the time is just more anti-Kate hyperbole that bear little resemblance to reality. The hyperbole is one of my biggest issues with the anti-Gosselin folks. How many posters claimed that they were heartbroken over "cupcakegate"? When people are acting so absurd, there is just not even a starting point for rational discussion, IMO. People blithely claim that Kate treats her kids horribly on the basis of the cupcake incident or the gum incident, ignoring the fact that if you actually want the show, Kate is generally very loving, calm and patient with her kids.
VERY well said Mom.
Kate drives me nuts with her half truths. "I just wanted one more baby." Ummmm....didn't you do IVF? If so...why so many embryos? If it was IUI...why continue on during a super-ovulatory month? Don't Dr's usually reccommend abandoning the insemination in that case? "I don't care if none of my books sell, they are just for my kids." Really? Because I write books that are just for my kids too...they are sitting on a bookshelf in my livingroom (not in a publishers office), and my kids love them.I don't know if Jon cheated or not...but I do have somewhat of a theory....I think Deanna and her brother are in total cahoots. I think they seized upon a situation (seeing Jon frequenting a specific bar), and hatched up a plan together for Deanna to set up some suggestive situations, and her brother to be there to take pictures. Then he can "spill the beans" to the tabloids (does anyone really think he didn't get paid for the pictures/video? He may be TALKING without pay...but the images are valuable) all the while Deanna protests her innocence. Really, how in the heck can he claim to be wanting the best for her by making public statements that defame her?We really don't know what time that video of Jon was taken--the clock on a video camera can be set wrong to give a false time. Also, certainly I am not the only one who has noted that you can't even see the ring finger on Jon's left hand on the picture that proports to show him without a wedding ring on.As for the clubbing...I do think Jon is being passive agressive to Kate. I hope they both wake up and realize how out of balance their relationship is.
Yeah; I think he feels lost, too. He doesn't have a career to give him a sense of accomplishment, and because he hasn't worked outside the home in so long, he barely gets any adult interaction except with Kate. That must be frustrating and put a strain on their marriage. People need friends. He just seems to be looking for them in the wrong places.As for the show, when I saw the season finale, as much as I enjoy the show, I really thought it was time to call it quits. If he's unhappy living that way, what's to gain by continuing? HOWEVER, it occurred to me that we don't know what the situation is with the house. For all we know, it's mortgaged and they're counting on the income from the show to pay that mortgage. If they quit the show, Jon could never get a job to cover that. And he doesn't have the best track record of keeping jobs, either.The point someone else made about a possible contract obligation is a reasonable consideration, too. They may have dug a hole that they can't really get out of right now.
One thing has struck me since thinking about all this. Kate can tell Meredith or whomever what she wants to and can tell them she prefers to handle certain things in private. She can say there is a show that shows some parts of their lives but not all and they are controlling that.BUT the kids can't control that a friend won't ask them what's going on. Or that their friends' parents are whispering at home about the Gosselin family and that child hears his/ her own parents and then comes to school with questions. And then it gets back to the kids. It will get to them someway, somehow. Should they have to deal with this for the sake of the show? That's asking a lot from kids, considering Kate acknowledges how awful it has been for her.End it now. It has gone way too far and is too intrusive to the family if you ask my opinion.
I'm wondering what kind of contractual obligations they have with TLC. My TV set will be turned off if I see them addressing these matters on the show (going to see a counselor, talking to the kids about the tabloids, etc.)
I completely understand all the speculation that Kate should just end the show-- but at this point we have no idea how much of Season 5 has already been filmed. We know its well underway and they have been banking episodes for a good 2 months already. I am wondering if they are so close to being done with the season that Kate is willing to just get the next two or three episodes done and call it good. Just my thoughts-- I know I was surprised they were even doing a season five (I'm also on the 'yearly updates' bandwagon) but for all we know there IS a reason it is still happening. That reason might be that they are almost completed anyway and want to see through till the end of their contract.Also, in articles it states clearly that Kate had already planned to be on Larry King Live, the Today Show, Rachael Ray, etc for her book tour. To say she should drop everything is, in my opinion, a faulty conclusion. If you were in a similar situation, would you not go to work? Would you just skip for a week or two and then go back when the dust had settled? Most likely no- if most of us were in a similar situation we would still have commitments to hold up and thus would continue on as well as we could.Like I said before, the more I see of Kate during this whole mess, the more I respect her (even though I would not make the choices she has made). Keeping her privacy at this time is a way to make sure people know they ARE dealing with the problem while also not spreading more drama and airing her dirty laundry everywhere.
The show had already been announced by TLC, which means ad rates had been set accordingly, and commercials already bought based on these rates and the fact that show is airing. So TLC would be financially hard-pressed to end the show now. Unless something truly tragic happened--by which I mean death or dismemberment was involved--it would result in too much of a financial loss.And yes, show stars sign contracts and can't legally get out of them unless they pay some kind of huge fee. These are penalties that even major stars like Madonna (who commonsense would dictate makes at least 10 times more than the Gs) work to avoid paying. Remember that after Madonna backed out of the movie "Boxing Helena", Kim Basinger took the role--and then flaked out. Basinger was ordered to pay 8 million for breaching contract.Even the craziest fanatics can't imagine the Gs have 8 million just laying around. And if they do, then hey, they'd advocate taking 1 mill from each kid.
Kuromi, you said it better than I did!! I think we were typing at the same time though-- I totally agree that the contracts are legally binding. I know with reality game shows (Survivor, etc) there is a 5 million dollar breach of contract penalty if the ending is shared before it airs on TV.This is not as simple as it seems-- there must be a lot of very tense conversations at TLC debating what the best decision is. I am very glad Kate was clear that they are keeping the kids out of it. Yes, they will most likely hear about it (esp. Mady and Cara) but all the hate blogs going on about how Kate deserves it and how Jon is finally free will do nothing but tear apart a family that is already hurting.
Liza Beth: I agree with you that they probably already have a bunch of episodes in the can. They may even have ended filming if they've got a decent number already done. I don't think a specific number of epis for Season 5 were announced (when Season 4 was announced, TLC specified that it would have 52 or 54 episodes, from what I remember).Oh, and I've been wanting to comment on the topic that Jon and Kate are now producers of the show. This is probably more about them receiving more money from each episode, rather than creative control.When Danny Bonaduce had that show documenting his downward spiral ("Saving Bonaduce") he and wife Gretchen were producers. And that was much, much more disturbing and exploitive (of their kids as well as of the grownups) than the Gs ever are! There were also moments when one or both of them didn't want to be filmed, but they were anyway--showing, I think, that they didn't have creative control or final say.
I am not sure but I think the one implicated is at home with the kids. Kate is with Today and Larry King. Right? Can we all agree to that? I know he has been implicated by having photos taken and people have said things but the photos do not show him doing anything more than being in a car with this girl and walking out of someone's house. Pictures of her and other people on his lawn don't prove anything either. Who knows exactly what is going on. Do we believe the brother? I don't know if he tells the truth. Who knows if they have been leading separate lives for months now? I don't.I also don't know if Kate would be better off without Jon or vice versa and I would never say because only they know that. I also don't think I said that, I think you did. Are they working on their marriage? I don't know. She seems to be in New York this week. Is he with her or at home? So who knows if they are working on it. I guess we'll have to tune in to find out, right? I also know that anything can be cancelled or rescheduled in this world. We are all human and stuff happens. How many days did I not go to work because my kids were sick or a death or illness occurred in my family, or my hot water heater started leaking?Too many to count and sometimes I did it without being paid, other times using vacation.These are just talk shows after all. Come on, Today, Rachael Ray, Larry King? Half the time he doesn't know who he is interviewing? Are they that important? Haven't any of you left work due to family emergencies? I did for years and so did all of my co-workers and none of us were celebrities appearing on TV shows.By the way, most of us who had to stay home or had to leave work for sick kids, dogs, etc., were all female and married because our husbands wouldn't do it.
Curious-My point was that it isn't as if Jon is doing some noble thing by being quiet (except for press releases) and that Kate is horrible for responding to questions. It benefits him to stay quiet for now if he is the guilty party. Kate was being criticized for being silent, now it seems like she's being criticized for speaking.
I'll be honest....if *I* were in Kate's shoes and *I* had to be the one to face doing all these nationally televised interviews and field questions about my marriage **alone** when it wasn't *me* in those tabloid pictures with someone other than my spouse...I'd be pissed.Jon gets to stay home and hide. It's Kate who's facing the music publicly.To imply Kate is somehow merrily continuing on with a press junket, or actually happily running around doing NEWLY scheduled interviews, it the midst of what must emotional chaos, is, IMO, a HUGE stretch. I think they were smart to keep the kids as secluded as possible right now (the papparazzi, let alone the Today show, would be reason enough for that). Maybe the "powers that be" did decide it was better that Jon lay low, but I would have liked to see him sitting next to his wife for these interviews, not just having the interviewer read his statement.Whatever's going on privately, I give Kate a lot of credit for being the one who's out there holding her head high in the midst of so much, and so many, who are trying to bring her family down. I think it takes a lot of strength.If the people who hate her were looking for a crack in the veneer, I imagine they were sorely dissappointed.
I'll be honest....if *I* were in Kate's shoes and *I* had to be the one to face doing all these nationally televised interviews and field questions about my marriage **alone** when it wasn't *me* in those tabloid pictures with someone other than my spouse...I'd be pissed.Whatever's going on privately, I give Kate a lot of credit for being the one who's out there holding her head high in the midst of so much, and so many, who are trying to bring her family down. I think it takes a lot of strength.Amen Marci! Thank you for so clearly stating what I was trying to get across. Those were my thoughts exactly!
Knitted_in_the_womb said..Kate drives me nuts with her half truths. "I just wanted one more baby." Ummmm....didn't you do IVF? If so...why so many embryos? If it was IUI...why continue on during a super-ovulatory month? Don't Dr's usually reccommend abandoning the insemination in that case? ---------------------------------I just recently went through IVF. It doesn't automatically mean multiple births. We transfered 3 embryos and I'm now 4 months pregnant with a single baby. There's a lot that goes into reproductive decisions such as age, egg quality/embryo quality that people who haven't gone through don't always understand. Also, knowing Kate went through IUI I can tell you from personal experience that just because they tell you via u/s you have X amount of follicles (protential mature eggs) doesn't mean that's the amount you will actually end up with. It's not really as cut and dry as people think.
Curious (LOVE that screen name,)I agree that there may be contracts, but that she should still be able to get out of it. haven't they cancelled stuff or rescheduled in the past? Jon got out of the Today show this morning. I doubt I'd be giving interviews either, under the circumstances. I thought Kate handled herself very well, though. I would have cancelled just the same.
Knitted_in_the_Womb said:I don't know if Jon cheated or not...but I do have somewhat of a theory....I just wanted to say I don't know either because I WASN"T THERE! The only two people who know the real truth are Jon and the other woman being named in this story. One thing that makes me crazy about this whole story is the "Lets Attack Kate" or "Blame Kate" part. One article even suggested that Kate cheated first. They printed that without any proof. What's happened to responsible journalism? I think the reporters at this point are reading blogs for their information. I'm terrible at writing so please excuse my grammar. But this story irks me. I feel bad for Kate and I really hope the kids are going to be ok.
Not my thoughts at all, but we can respectfully agree to disagree. I am not criticizing her for speaking out or Jon for not speaking out, I am criticizing her (sorry) for not going home at this most awful time for her kids to lay low, that's all.I don't think either are noble. Sometimes children do not recover from trauma like this. I finally watched the tape and she said she doesn't care if the book sells or not, then why go out there? I think she also said Jon decided to stay home with the kids. She doesn't have to hold her head any higher than they do. It doesn't matter to me if these shows were NEWLY booked or not, she is not going into Lenox Hill to do brain surgery and they most certainly can be cancelled or rescheduled without having the world end. Larry King will not come to your house and take one of your kids away or anything bad. They are not under contract to talk shows. Haven't you rescheduled anything? I rescheduled my last c-section! And I don't think Jon is hiding, I think he is home with his 8 kids doing homework, giving baths, the usual things parents do, although it does look like he goes out at night. I pray the 8 are tucked in and supervised.I don't understand why people don't think SOMEBODY should be there for the kids. JMO
not once did she say that she and john love each other...
Steph said...not once did she say that she and john love each other...... and why in the world would it have been necessary to share such a personal thought at this time? The way they feel about each other is absolutely none of our business, unless they want to share it. For those who have complained that Kate has spent the week in NYC.... Philadelphia is only a couple of hours from NYC... Just because she's been on TV this week in NYC, doesn't mean she isn't going home at night. She even commented at the book signing on Monday that she was going home that evening. IMHO, Kate is handling herself as well as anyone could in this difficult situation. I thought she was very poised and articulate this morning in what could have been a very awkward interview...
I may be way off base but to me it seems like Kate could care less about Jon right now. Just from the way she answered the questions and really avoided most it seems like there is a part of her that believes Jon cheated. Also I think she is willing to say anything to defend continuing the show.Oh and this is really superficial but she is looking much less orange. She is actually looking really good, almost too skinny but definitely not orange. :)
I feel the most bad for the children. I feel very bad for her. She may be over-bearing, their relationship may be dysfunctional, but I do not accept that she had this coming . . . whatever "this" may be. As much as I think Kate likes to control, I also think that at some level Jon likes when someone takes control. His negative attributes may be more subtle, but I do think that they are as damaging to the relationship. I think that those who've said that Jon is sabotaging the show and their relationship may be on to something. And I don't buy that while Kate is off to NY that Jon is home doing homework, giving baths, etc. playing the role of long-suffering husband. Granted it is just a hunch . . . I don't think that Jon is all evil. But I've always felt perplexed as to why the majority of venom is directed at Kate for their dysfunctional relationship, their decision to do the show, etc. She's got issues that's for sure. Her issues are glaring, in-your-face issues. His issues exist, but they are less glaring but in my opinion no-less-damaging. I
Sandy said...One thing that makes me crazy about this whole story is the "Lets Attack Kate" or "Blame Kate" part. One article even suggested that Kate cheated first. They printed that without any proof. What's happened to responsible journalism? I think the reporters at this point are reading blogs for their information. I agree. Pretty unbelievable, isn't it? Especially when those of us who follow the other Gosselin blogs know that folks make up insider (ha!) stories just to see if they will get posted. And many have.Whether one chooses to believe there is conclusive proof of Jon's unfaithfulness, there is a world of difference between the US magazine expose and the garbage being peddled in other corners trying to make Kate look bad too.
Jacelynn, I agree-- I think the orangeishness is lessened by the studio lights. I know on Dancing With The Stars they do spray tanning to look better under the lights (and have muscle definition where there is none from working out!) so that could be part of it. I also noticed that her hair was less striped than it has been.Anyway, yeah- I agree-- she looked good and handled herself with grace.
It is about 2 hours give or take traffic. But still no one knows if she did go home. Is there anyone who does know for sure? She said she was going home for dinner but people say alot. I am surprised with all this media speculation, more photogs are not following her home to get a confrontation with Jon at her front door or some of the stupid TMZ (hate them) stuff. With all these early shows it gets kind of old real fast even in a limo. I think Jon and Kate still loving each other and wanting to remain a family might be the point of the interview and, possibly, the books she has been peddling. JMO
Quiltart, excellent points.It is my assumption based on the comment that Baby Mama recounted and what we have seen of their travels to NYC on the show, that she would be making day trips and returning home at night. Of course, I don't know for certain, but neither do folks who insist she has been away this week.
I re-watched clip from the Today show and I think that at this point she does believe him that he was not unfaithful. I'm not sure if I buy that, but I'm not married to him.
I feel badly for everyone in this situation but especially the kids. I really can't imagine how the twins, especially, are dealing with this -- at least with the sextuplets they're still young enough to be oblivious to the actual situation.I don't envy the position J+K are in but I am kind of flabbergasted that Kate seems to think that having the private, messy details of your life (whether real or made up) splashed across tabloid covers goes hand in hand with doing the show. FYI Kate, it's not. No matter how big this show is, her ultimate job is to be a mom. Jon's ultimate job is to be a dad. Being in tabloids like faux celebrities is not normal or healthy for themselves or their children. It doesn't matter whether or not Jon actually cheated, or if any of the fodder that's being flung about the mags is true...the fact that it's even gotten to this point necessitates some real, honest action.Now, I've always enjoy watching the show and try to cut them some slack given the uniqueness of their situation, but this might just be the last straw. I've always believed Jon and Kate, despite their very human mess ups and mistakes, have always placed their children as their top priority. But Kate's attitude and the way this particular situation has been handled has really made me question where her motivation is. If they are thinking like parents, they would put an immediate pause on the cameras and the show and take some actual private time to work through this as a family. I know they have episodes in the can for season 5. By all means, go ahead and air them, but let people know you're going to put a break on filming immediately and issue a message regarding the situation before the start of the season to explain what's going on. Then be like the normal people you claim you are and work it out!!Now as a side note on all these allegations, I read the online stuff and saw the video. I'm still not really sure what to believe, but frankly, the video was a little lame IMO. Just because someone sticks a timestamp on there and claimed he was sneaking out in the early morning means nothing to me. For all I know he was walking out of a random neighbor's house after borrowing some flour at 2 in the afternoon. So yeah, I'm really not buying what the tabloids are selling, but I still think Jon put himself and his family in a bad situation.
The Houston Chronicle has a very interesting feature story about women judging each other, using Kate Gosselin and Elizabeth Edwards as examples. At last, a reporter who calls the Gosselin anti-fan sites for what they are: Places for strong opinions about Kate's strong personality, not places of fact! :)Seriously, the Chronicle story adds another element to the ongoing issue of women being judgemental of each other. (An issue that certainly touches the whole Gosselin chatter space.) I never would have thought Elizabeth was reaping similar blame-the-victim vitriol, which I think is even more telling:http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/main/6413459.html
The commute to NYC is no big deal. Lots of people here do it every single day. This month many school kids from the area will be going (or have gone) there for their class trips, and they all come home, many by dinnertime. NYC is a day trip for Kate. If she stayed over night it wasn't because it's difficult travel. It's easy.
I don't envy the position J+K are in but I am kind of flabbergasted that Kate seems to think that having the private, messy details of your life (whether real or made up) splashed across tabloid covers goes hand in hand with doing the show. FYI Kate, it's not.I think she meant that she realizes doing the show made them potential targets for all kinds of speculation- and if there is truth involved then you better believe it will be splashed all over every tabloid in the country. She can't control what they print anymore than she can control what is said on a blog. Sad but true.
There's a new video on CNN about J&K striking back. I just tried to watch it but got an error that it's not yet loadable and shows a link to something about Miss CA.I was going to watch Kate on LKL, but forgot it was the night for The Office and 30 Rock.
Saint, exactly she SHOULD be home at night but is she? I guess we will never know. Maybe they tried to sneak the kids around for a future episode, Statue of Liberty, Bronx Zoo, Central Park or maybe American Girl again. Maybe we'll find out in Season 5. Kuromi, Great post, I so agree. In today's world it is so hard to raise girls to not grow up to be self-hating females. Look at slop like The Real Housewives. A whole generation of young girls are following their lead. All they do is fight with each other, of course, while looking glamorous, so they think. (LOL)
I can't believe how Elizabeth Edwards is glorifying her husband's infidelity. I guess it is payback is he** moment. Why would you write a book and then go on a book tour? Yes she has battled cancer but all the interviews are about his infidelity. Kate is doing the same thing, benefitting from bad press to sell more books and promote her t.v. series. Why don't Elizabeth Edwards and Kate consider what this does to their children. It is a shame that wronged wives use this sort of method to get back at thier husbands. These situations are so sad.
Why must the victims of infidelity remain silent?They didn't ask for their husband's dirty laundry to be exposed--yet they must suffer silently.I don't think so! Clearly she was in demand for an interview. Edwards cheated on his wife WHILE she was battling cancer and the story broke WHILE she was battling cancer. I'd say that his "cheating" was a significant part of her survivor story.To not include it would not make it a true autobiography but rather a sanitized version of how happy she was while going through chemo.For a spouse to cheat--that's bad.To cheat on a spouse while he/she is going through devestating process so that they don't die...it's reprehensible.And she's supposed to keep her thoughts private?And if she speaks it is revenge?Please! Victims have the right to share their stories. And it isn't revenge. It is cleansing and often cathartic and is often healthy to process it by speaking about it.It serves as an encouraging reminder that one can survive--not only breast cancer, but a devestating cheating scandal in which the spouse allegedly fathered another child.Why on God's green earth should she keep it private?And as public figures--the public is interested. It's a human interest story--not news of course.Humans have an interest in other humans and I am about over private folks judging what a public figure should or should not share.If it doesn't interest you, why follow it?
I just want to say this about Kate's appearance on LKL - Once she gets paid what she does to be able to afford a million dollar house just by appearing on TV, you are a celebrity. She should deal with it, and stop acting so shocked. If it was season 3, maybe, she could get away with it, but I'm sure when she was signing the contract for season 5 she didn't sit there and go, "but I'm just a mom, I can't believe people are that interested in us, do you really think we deserve to be paid this much?" My rant is over :-).The second observation was how much Kate said "I", and rarely referenced "we". I don't think there can be hope for their relationship until she starts thinking "we" again. I thought Kate did a good job on the Today show, but for some reason, her appearance on Larry King rubbed me the wrong way.
Guinevere,I like your theory about the cause and effect of this whole mess. As a general question/thought, I don't understand why Jon claims to be "lost" while he also talks about his lack of ambition. He doesn't have a college degree that we know of, so if he wasn't at home with the kids, what would he do? I'm not saying that a college degree is a necessity for getting a job, but how can you brag about your unambitious nature then be surprised when your wife (or husband) takes charge? If Jon was the one running things, the Gosselins would be living in a cardboard box. IMO he's jealous of Kate's success. Maybe he doesn't want to be at home, but it doesn't seem like he wants to do the alternative (working) either. I guess he wants to barcrawl and flirt with 20-somethings all day?
What would have happened if Jon had said nothing at all?If it is not true, why respond?If the night's out were innocent, why give any explanation?
A Mom-ynous, I agree with you completely! Why is it so wrong that wronged women should speak out, especially since they're often forced to sit right by their cheatin' man's side while he goes public with the news, acting all adoring and supportive? I'd love to see John Edwards sit next to his wife during her book tour, with a vaccuous smile, head tilted in body language that screams "I support thee."
I normally don't post here but I like what I'm reading.Hirsh Mom, thanks for bringing this up. In all the discussions about what the Gosselins should do, I haven't heard anyone bring up the fact that it may not be as simple as just saying, "no, we aren't interested in doing Season Five after all."Paul Peterson, who Gloria Allred is representing against Nadya Shulman, offered free legal services to help the Gosselins get out of any contract they might have. This was almost a year ago.
Kate is doing the television interviews because she loves the attention. She loves being on stage speaking to the public and loves the book signings, and loves all of the attention that brings her.She loves the attention from the show, from having 8 kids, from behaving a certain way on TV, from people feeling sympathetic towards her because of the tabloids...she loves that people are paying attention to her. Bottom line.KATE LOVES ATTENTION!
Kate is doing the television interviews because she loves the attention. Yes- who wouldn't love explaining to millions of veiwers (when it's really none of their business)that you and your husband are working through the allegations that he's cheating on you? Sounds like a good time to me.
iheartmyhubby said... Kate is doing the television interviews because she loves the attention. She loves being on stage speaking to the public and loves the book signings, and loves all of the attention that brings her.She loves the attention from the show, from having 8 kids, from behaving a certain way on TV, from people feeling sympathetic towards her because of the tabloids...she loves that people are paying attention to her. Bottom line.KATE LOVES ATTENTION!May 7, 2009 11:06 PMihearthubby, pretty heartless there. :)She's doing what she has to do in her position. That's the bottom line.
I was horrified last night to see the story is now being aired on "Issues with Jane Vellez Mitchell". I don't even think Jane knows who the Gosselins are but she was sure ready to join on the critical bandwagon of their lifestyle and "exploiting the children". If anyone has seen this show they know that the next thing will be that she is calling Kate "narcissistic". This is currently her fave word for Nadya Sulleman and Casey Anthony.A woman from US Magazine was there and insisted that no one was paid anything for the story but I tend to think they were paid for something. I think they call it licencing rights for the pictures.Anyway the only one who defended the Gosselins, or rather was objective at least, was Ashely Banfield.I'm afraid a can of worms has been opened now and I hope Jon and Kate call it quits as soon as their contract is up. JVM is vicious, worse I think, then Nancy Grace!
Theresa,I don't think any of us know "what the bottom line" is.What does Kate "have to do in her postion"? I see lots of options.
Illinois Mom-What would you recommend she do?
She could have not said anythingShe could have said "I love my husband and stand by him"She could have cancelled all press and gone home to the most important people in her worldShe could take a haitus from book tours and work on her marriageI guess I could keep going but it kindof shuts down the converstaion when someone says "bottom line".
I understand what you mean Illinois Mom but Theresa said "bottom line" bc the poster before her said that Kate was doing this for the attention- bottom line.And for the record Kate did say She loves him and is standing by him- she said over and over that they love each other and they are working through it.Kate cant please everyone- she has to do what she thinks is best.
Samantha, I agree with what your saying but I don't think it should be Kate's aim to please ANYBODY. She should just be doing what is best for her children and her.
Neither do I Jacelynn- that was the point.
Illinois Mom-My "bottom line" repsonse was actually directed to Iheartmyhubby,who said in HER response, "that's the bottom line". So, it actually was to show, that there was no bottom line. I should've said "She's doing what she can at this point". Her "position" (bad choice of word,sorry) is at this point, defending her family and shielding her kids from the vicous rumours and latest news on the gossip shows, news programs, etc. All those "could haves" you have listed may work with you or your family or circumstances, but as I've said before, this isn't our family. We're not her. She knows what she's doing best. OR, if you became her PR person, those would've been great suggestions for her and maybe she would've taken you up on it.People handle things differently. I am resigned to believe Kate is doing what she thinks is best for her family. She's doing it her way.
Thanks Samantha. :)
Is it just possible that Jon has developed a drinking problem from the stress of all this -- thus the late nights at bars and being seen not able to walk from drinking. I always wondered why people who seem to have it all wind up in rehab -- this reality show is a train wreck. The internet is forever -- their children will be able to pull up those articles when they are older. I don't think it started as such but the decisions being made now are favoring the people that see this as child exploitation.
I do not equate Jon being stupid and going out to bars with proving a case of child exploitation.Honestly, Jon's behavior is not something new to the year 2009. This behavior exhibited by both females and males has been around for a long time. I don't condone it and I have stated before I think it is wrong on all levels.We, however, have no way of knowing if Jon would have responded this way even if the circumstances were different. He quite possibly could have responded in a similar fashion if he was still working his IT job and Kate was working as a nurse and Discovery Health had not presented them with this opportunity.People have inherent qualities (good and bad) that tend to come out when they are under stress.
And for the record Kate did say She loves him and is standing by him- she said over and over that they love each other and they are working through it.Do you have a clip of this? In what I watched she never once said she loves him.
Samantha,I didn't hear say once that she loved Jon, which is very strange seeing how she said she is hesitant to believe any of it.She mentioned over and over in both TV spots about loving their kids, but after the big shabang in Hawaiii with we will always love each other and always be together, isn't it telling she never once said "I Love Jon".Sorry if I misunderstood the previous comment from teresa. It just seemed to me that the converstation was being shut down.
Bruce'sWife: Can you provide any evidence of Paul Petersen offering legal services? For example, a quote from his website or a quote attributed to him by an actual news source? (Speculation on a snark/gossip blog does not count.) Since he's not a lawyer, I'm wondering how he could offer such a thing...
Kuromi- this is the article where peterson offered legal helphttp://www.minorcon.org/jon_kate1.html
Thanks, Themrs.I wonder if he sent this offer directly to them? If so, then I could see him as really trying to help. If it was only something he put on his website, well: (1) It would be odd to assume that J&K would even see it; (2) It would look more like he was trying to get publicity and Web hits by posting something mentioning the Gosselins, which would drive traffic to his site.If he was sincere, perhaps he should reach out to them again, in private. His original statement was back in August 2008, long before they'd moved to the new house in Reading, where all this brouhaha started.
Kuromi:http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/main/6413459I just got a chance to read the article you posted. Thank you. Very thought provoking. I agree with everything you and Mom-ynous said. This quote said it all for me: "As recent events have demonstrated, we like our moms wholesome and nonthreatening, not opportunistic and outspoken."
Jan said...I'm afraid a can of worms has been opened now and I hope Jon and Kate call it quits as soon as their contract is up. JVM is vicious, worse I think, then Nancy Grace! ...................I really don't know much about JVM, but it appears she is of the school of Nancy Grace. Let's be clear, the reason these type of shows exist to report on J&K, Caylee Anthony, the tragedy of the month, etc. is make their hosts and the networks MONEY. Simple as that IMO.Paul Peterson also doesn't impress me and if I were Kate I would not trust my legal affairs to him! In my opinion the "real" child advocates are the social workers, nurses, teachers, etc. who get up every day, do their job and help kids without prattling on about it. The minute I hear someone declare themself a "child advocate", I can be pretty certain they are more concerned with their own ego than children per se.
Anya said:In my opinion the "real" child advocates are the social workers, nurses, teachers, etc. who get up every day, do their job and help kids without prattling on about it. The minute I hear someone declare themself a "child advocate", I can be pretty certain they are more concerned with their own ego than children per se.:clapping:
http://www.minorcon.org/jon_kate1.htmlHis quote: It’s not too late to limit the damage. Remove the cameras from your house, dismiss the film crew and tell them thanks. Whatever deals you have made can be undone, and we have the lawyers to help you. Disavow any and all contracts."
So, when I go to court to advocate for a child who cannot speak for themselves, it is not child advocacy? This is done on my own time on a volunteer basis. I guess since I'm not paid for it, it doesn't count.
Paul Peterson just want hits on his site? Have you read what he is fighting for?
Bruce'sWife said... So, when I go to court to advocate for a child who cannot speak for themselves, it is not child advocacy? This is done on my own time on a volunteer basis. I guess since I'm not paid for it, it doesn't count. .................I am sorry if I was less than clear. I wasn't disparaging you or anyone else who takes time out of their life to help children in any way.My point was I am sick of hearing:-Bloggers-TV Personalities-Etc.announce every 15 seconds that they are "child advocates." Typically, it's a just an attempt to stifle discussion and pat their own back at the same time.Sandy, thanks for the appreciation! :-)
In my opinion the "real" child advocates are the social workers, nurses, teachers, etc. who get up every day, do their job and help kids without prattling on about it. The minute I hear someone declare themself a "child advocate", I can be pretty certain they are more concerned with their own ego than children per se.Yes, Anya! ITA! That is why it seems to me that there is no evidence that the Gosselin children are being abused or mistreated or injured... They all have teachers, don't they, in addition to all the other adults in their lives?... I think someone would have spoken out or reported to the authorities if something was seriously wrong. NO official is going to take the word of a blogger who thinks the kids are being exploited...
A Mom-ynous, I agree with you completely! Why is it so wrong that wronged women should speak out, especially since they're often forced to sit right by their cheatin' man's side while he goes public with the news, acting all adoring and supportive? I'd love to see John Edwards sit next to his wife during her book tour, with a vaccuous smile, head tilted in body language that screams "I support thee."Kuromi, me too, I would get a real kick out of seeing that. I got to read the article you linked and agreed w/it. Thanks.
Paul Peterson also doesn't impress me and if I were Kate I would not trust my legal affairs to him! In my opinion the "real" child advocates are the social workers, nurses, teachers, etc. who get up every day, do their job and help kids without prattling on about it. The minute I hear someone declare themself a "child advocate", I can be pretty certain they are more concerned with their own ego than children per se.May 8, 2009 2:34 PMTotally agree with you Anya!
I wouldn't trust Mr. Peterson to my legal affairs either, I don't believe he is a lawyer.I don't think there is anything disingenious in what he does though. I truly believe he cares about what he does and has done a lot of good work. Why is Mr. Peterson considered "prattling"? His organization is non-profit. He has been a major player in getting some sound legislation placed. He advocates for kids because there is a need.On the other hand, anyone who is helping to keep a child actor happy and safe on a set is just doing his or her job. They are getting paid.Quilart, I agree that the kids are healthy and well taken care of. However, if there were laws in PA that categorically protected the 8 kids such as earnings, camera time and such it would be in their best interests.
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