Well, now I've lost a lot of respect for Jodi. It's sad to know that she's supportive of the public airing of dirty laundry and nastiness.
Maybe I'm just a "tougher" person, but I just don't get the tears and pain. It's taken a month of time for "healing" from this situation? I don't know. Too much melodrama and it seems to come from all sides. I'm sure Jon and Kate are no saints, but the way Jodi and Julie have handled this isn't something I can respect at all.
It is what it is. People on this blog will put her down in one way or another. On the "other" blog, they will praise her. That is the way it will always be.
I personally felt bad for her as her voice was shaking, she obviously is going through a difficult time. She was obviously nervous but not because she was "under pressure", how ridiculous. She is a grown woman and she can do what she wants.
I have no insider knowledge nor do I know any of these people personally. I always loved Aunt Jodi on the Gosselin show and miss seeing her interact with the tups. I have no reason not to believe what she says and I found her video believable and sad. I hope their family can heal from all of this. Kevin will always be Kate's brother and they will find life isn't the same without each other in it.
I think it is completely tasteless to handle the situation that way! Of course she is getting encouraging emails...GWoP is buttering her up to get more informaton, they don't really care about her. They care about hurting Jon and Kate. Jodi making that video proves to me why she is no longer in their lives. Any family member that would blast another family member like for the world to see has no class!I wouldn't want Jodi in my life either.
I feel very sorry for this family also. I talking about everyone involved. This kind of dynamics happen in many families but it is not broadcast on the internet. I am sure that this makes it so much more difficult to resolve.
I'm very sorry to hear confirmation that there are some ugly things happening within this family. It does make me feel a little disappointed in Jodi, simply because I believe she handled this very poorly. I do sympathize with her loss, as it is clear she loves her nieces and nephews.
Notice that J&K are not saying anything about this in public? Because that's what you do! You work on family issues privately-not on the internet for anyone to see. It's pathetic and sad that the sister and now Jodi are doing this.To what end? What do they want? Money? This is a family disagreement/argument. If the Gosselins just want to get on with their lives and do what they do it seems to me they are taking the high road here as opposed to J & J. As for that other site GWoP. What a bunch. At least one of them is all over the internet opening and closing blogs, fighting with people on message boards ( I mean FIGHTING complete with threats to go to their work place, find their home addresses, etc.) as well as publishing a feud within her own family and causing incredible upset for them. It is truly a puzzle that a hate site could generate so much interest. It makes me sad to know that people are whipped into a complete frenzy over things they either invent or blow up to make it look and sound much larger than it is. GWoP is a hate site. Clear and simple. Not posting the comments that make SENSE and shows them to be exactly that is very telling. I'm not that into the Gosselins to be obsessed with them but I do enjoy the show and think the kids are cute. Who am I to judge the parents? I don't have 8 kids. I do have twin sons though and there are many moments I regret, especially when I was so incredibly tired that I lost my patience. What parent doesn't? The rest of us aren't being recorded. Do you really believe that the Gosselins mistreat their kids and are out to harm them AND allow it to be recorded? Does this make sense? I'm happy to see this blog. It reaffirms my faith in people-especially women. So Kate's not perfect. Neither are any of us.
I think feeding the flames on the internet, which is exactly what Jodi and Julie are doing, is beyond poor taste. Associating with a blog like GWOP, where posters gleefully speculate on whether or not your four year old nieces and nephews are abused and hope bad things befall their parents does not suggest that Jodi and Julie are doing this to help those children. It does not make Jodi look like a loving aunt who has been pushed out of the family due to Kate's greed and desire for the spotlight. I think Julie's blog ultimately reflects more on Julie and now Jodi than it does Jon and Kate. Julie and Jodi are airing this family's dirty laundry and nobody comes out looking good.
Let's face it. Kate and Jon both have a history of ditching their family. It's very sad that these kids can't lead a more normal life and have the love of aunt's, uncles, and GRANDPARENTS. So many people coming in and out of their lives...now Aunt Jodi & Uncle Kevin. They have definitely let money rule their lives. They need a reality check...BIG TIME
I think its telling that she said that Julies blog is true but she didnt once address GWOP and Julies participation there. Why didnt she address the stalking, name calling of the kids, etc...that occurs at GWOP? Is she unaware of all that her sister is up to, if so why not a thumbs up for that? Jodi proved again that the kids mean nothing to her, thats all I got from the video.
Jump 20 years into the future. The 4 out of the 8 kids don't want anything to do with their parents (learnt process)? But by then, it will be too late to undo all the damage that has been done. They have changed so much...the tummy tuck, hair weaves (which look horrible), teeth whitening...Oh, and let's not forget all the FREEBIES. Aunt Jodi was FAMILY. Kate totally disgusted me when she flipped out about the gum...throwing that bear away and that sweet little boy crying. I would be mortified. Loved the new show allowing them to "get dirty" FARCE...You could see her shaking in her shoes while they were having fun.
I don't get it either. I guess now Jodi is sorta speaking for herself, I'll give her that, but for what? What could she possible stand to gain?
It's been said here before, and I agree, that Jodi could have given her side without getting involved with that hate site. I really cannot understand how she can claim to love the kids and support julie's involvement with gwop.
Maybe they are trying to get the show off the air because they figure if they won't be on, j+k won't either. Whatever the case, you do not spill family drama on the internet.
Anna said: Any family member that would blast another family member like for the world to see has no class!I wouldn't want Jodi in my life either."
Explain to me how exactly how Jodi blasted a family member? It seems that you have blinders on, you only hear and see what you want to believe. Geez, she came out to say that what her sister wrote on her blog was true because so many people refused to believe it was her. That's ALL she did!
Fannie...why? They live their lives on TV. Aunt Jodi had every right to express her hurt. Kate doesn't have a problem expressing herself...like the person said above. She freaked out about the gum issue, and acted like a complete idiot. Aunt Jodi has taken more abuse from that woman than anyone should. Aunt Jodi loves those kids and helped Jon & Kate out ten times over. This is the thanks they get? Someone metioned about STALKING? What's that about?
Personally I think Jon and Kate are being quiet because there is nothing good for themselves that they can say. I firmly believe that if there was a way to spin this positively for themselves that they would have. That's the kind of people that they portray on TV IMO. YMMV and obviously does with many here.
Jodi isn't airing any dirty laundry. Julie shared an apparently true version of events we partially saw on t.v. They are educating us that J&K aren't exactly who J&K want us to believe they are. And, when hard working and unknowing people are still donating to a family that is no longer in need, I think some truth needs to come out in the open.
I thought Jodi's response was sweet and sincere.
As far as GWOP, I read it even though I'm not a "hater." I don't like everything about J&K, but I've certainly had Kate moments and don't judge her for that. It is the deception to the public for their "need" and the pimping and isolation of their children I can't accept.
All of my comments on GWOP, and all have been published thus far, have been positive toward the family. I don't feel the need to add "yeah, me too!" to the points I referenced above, but I do try to call out some of the petty and outrageous comments.
"Kevin will always be Kate's brother and they will find life isn't the same without each other in it."
I think this is the saddest aspect of their family drama. Whatever has happened between these families, the relationship between brother and sister has been permanently altered. Their relationship will never be the same again, even if they find a way to make amends at some time in the future. It's sad for them, and it's sad for their children, who will be deprived of knowing each other perhaps for many years, or at least until they're old enough to reach out on their own.
"Explain to me how exactly how Jodi blasted a family member? It seems that you have blinders on, you only hear and see what you want to believe. Geez, she came out to say that what her sister wrote on her blog was true because so many people refused to believe it was her. That's ALL she did!"
Well lets see...she doesn't have the nerve to do the blasting herself, so maybe you got me on that one! However, she is just as much in the wrong for running her mouth about things that may or may not be true to her sister that runs a hate blog! You clearly are the one with blinders on little lady! You are believing anything you hear. We have not heard J&K speak about this because they are taking the high road. Although I do wish they would fire back just to shut Jodi and Julie up!
How can you say "that's all she did?" She is so full of it! She can't claim to love those sweet children ooh so much, but yet support what people are doing to their parents! People have been wanting to know why Kate has nothing to do with her family and now we know! Her family really is ignorant! If I had an issue with my sister-in-law then we would talk about it privately...not all over the internet! I also wouldn't allow my sister fight my battles for me. After all, I AM AN ADULT!
Let's see - on a national TV show Kate tried to portray Jodi as a an airhead and a ditz and gave it an oh poor Jodi air. Kate has trouble with 8 yet she tried to pooh pooh Jodie handling twelve kids with most of them sick. She didn't want Jodi to be paid for her time given to the show. Methinks Kate started it all.
Jodi is what she is...an airhead and a ditz! How many times have you overreacted about something except it wasn't shown on TV? I do not think she tried to portray Jodi as anything. I did not look that far into the situation when I saw the episode. Methinks Jodi is acting like a 4 year old!
Anonymous said... Let's see - on a national TV show Kate tried to portray Jodi as a an airhead and a ditz and gave it an oh poor Jodi air. Kate has trouble with 8 yet she tried to pooh pooh Jodie handling twelve kids with most of them sick. She didn't want Jodi to be paid for her time given to the show. Methinks Kate started it all.
Me thinks you are 100% correct! I agree! Shame on you Kate...and shame on you Jon. As "religious" as they are...they don't have any qualms about doing unto others... Once these kids grow up they will start seeing what shrews their parents are.
anna said... Jodi is what she is...an airhead and a ditz! How many times have you overreacted about something except it wasn't shown on TV? I do not think she tried to portray Jodi as anything. I did not look that far into the situation when I saw the episode. Methinks Jodi is acting like a 4 year old!
OMG Anna...Me thinks you need to wake up! J&K didn't have an issue leaving all 8 kids with their ditzy, airhead sister-in-law...did they? They are users! The only reason you don't look that far into the situation is because you don't want to see it! Me thinks you need glasses!!!!
Okay, anon 5:50, from your statement I am gathering that you think this is revenge on kate for treating Jodi badly. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
She's getting that revenge by supporting a blog full of hypocrites who don't give a damn about those kids. Jodi giving her side is not the problem. She and Julie are imo fueling a dangerous fire with their involvement with gwop.
And yes, Kate acted like an ass over the gum thing, but Kate acts like that all the time. This isn't news. My question is, why if Jodi was being treated so badly all this time did she come forward(through her sister) only when it was a question of money?
The people on gwop are harrassing Kate's family and saying hateful things about her and her kids. How can someone who loves those kids support that?
Anna said: "You clearly are the one with blinders on little lady!"
Uh, excuse me how do you know that I am a woman? You should never assume, you know the old saying which is sort of ironic but I won't get into it with you.
Let's see, you say Julie and Jodi should just "shut up" and then you call their families "ignorant", call Jodi an airhead and a ditz. Who is acting like a 4 year old?
I doubt money was the issue for Jodi. As it was explained TLC approached her regarding payment. And why not? She spent a LOT of time watching those kids so they could produce the "special day" episodes. Also, a hole was made in Jodi and Kevin's wall during one of they days she was watching the 'tups. Seems a bit more of a transgression than a little gum on a sock!
So, J&K didn't want to pay Jodi, but now they've hired Jenny. At a recent appearance Jon admitted she was hired for 30 hrs. a week. Why refuse to pay family but then pay a stranger in her place.
However, as I said I don't think it was about the money for Jodi. She really cared about the kids and her kids had a relationship with them. J&K not only severed their "business" relationship with Jodi and her family, they severed all ties. Over payment. That seems petty and spiteful.
I felt that Jodi spoke from her heart and her heart was breaking. I feel Jodi really loves the Gosselin children and that Jon & Kate have asked a lot of her and Kevin. When I think about it all we were ever shown was Kevin or Jodi or both helping Jon & Kate. We never saw J & K doing anything for them or their kids. Maybe there didn't have to be an entire episode but there should have been a mention or a short segment at least.
This video of Jodi is really making me start to rethink my feelings and J & K. I sluffed it off before but now... Is anyone else confused?
oh bring it on crazy GWoP folks...you just can't stand the fact that i will not buy into the hype! i do not care if all the crap julie and jodi say is true. it really doesn't make a difference to me. i don't have blinders on, i just don't care that much. i just want jodi and julie to admit that it isn't all about the kids. it's all about them getting back at kate for whatever reason. now people over at GWoP are encouraging Julie and Jodi to get their own reality show??? that doesn't make sense to me considering they are accusing jon and kate of exploiting their children by having a television show. how is it not exploitation if jodi does it, but not if J&K do it? six one way, half a dozen another!
I see there are a lot of you gwoppers here. Guess you thought this Jodi crap would be the nail in Kate's coffin, huh?
Give us a little credit. We know Kate isn't the nicest person in the world. There are some rumors that I wouldn't doubt to be true. I'm don't doubt what Jodi is saying. Not. The. Point.
Why isn't she taking this up with Kate? I mean, for someone who loves those kids so much she sure is doing everything she can to ensure that she'll not see them again. I might feel sorry for Jodi had it not been for Julie's blog. I could believe that Kate wasn't so nice to her just based on what I see on tv. I don't need her sister to tell me that. Seems to me that they are EXACTLY what they accuse Kate of being, attention whores.
No good can come of this. Why is it that when Kate treats Jodi like crap on tv, it's "shame on Kate", but when Jodi does it on the internet it's "way to go, Jodi"? Are they not both expected to act like adults?
I think they have both handled this badly and I can't blame either one for being pissed at the other. I think they are even.
I think they are all at fault. I do think Kate and Jon would sometimes have an "oh dear, bless her airhead heart" attitude towards Jodi that was unnecessary and probably hurtful to Jodi when she watched it, and of course Kate gets the last word on the situations that happen during their couch time, or whatever it's called, so she can frame it anyway she wants. I also think Kate had no business having a say on whether TLC paid Jodi or not, it should have been TLC's call, not Kate's.
Jodi and Kevin are at fault for thinking it was a good idea to put their grievances toward Jon and Kate out on the internet for all to see. I think she would show more class to not say anything and not approve of her sister gossiping and telling all.
I've got a million thoughts going through my head right now.
On the one hand, I can't help but feel sorry for Aunt Jodi. Clearly she is hurting and under stress.
Julie is a different story. I don't feel sorry for her. She inserted herself in this mess. Sure, she loves her sister. Sure, she wants to stand by her. But I still wonder why she had to go public with all of this.
Kate is clearly a controlling, anxious, self-professed germaphobic woman. She isn't the kind of mother that I aspire to be, but that doesn't mean that she is an abusive mother.
Aunt Jodi has problems with her in-laws? Join the club! Get in line.
Taking this to the internet or the National Enquirer is not the way to solve family problems. It amounts to fighting the fire of TLC/Figure8/J&K8 with the fire of the internet/blogs/discussion boards. Now, everyone is going to get burned.
And as far as healing goes ... time will pass and TLC will have another family and the lovelies over at GwoP will have their next family they hunt down.
Sadly, in a few years ... people will forget this mess and where will this family be ... still needing help and healing.
Why isn't she taking this up with Kate? I mean, for someone who loves those kids so much she sure is doing everything she can to ensure that she'll not see them again.
"oh bring it on crazy GWoP folks...you just can't stand the fact that i will not buy into the hype! i do not care if all the crap julie and jodi say is true. it really doesn't make a difference to me. i don't have blinders on, i just don't care that much. i just want jodi and julie to admit that it isn't all about the kids."
Anna, I care a lot about the Gosselin children. I watched the show from the beginning and liked seeing them grow and change. If Jon and Kate are mis-treating the children I would be sad and angry because those children are God's and belong to Him. Just like we do.
Do you really not care about how the Gosselin children are treated or did you just speak out of anger without thinking?
It sounds to me like she and Kate already had it out a while back and the relationship ended. Jodi is probably hurt and mad and unfortunately isn't thinking about how this will hurt the kids. Like I said, I don't think what she is doing is right, but she's probably done with Kate anyway.
SCP, I dunno. Kate and Jodi may not be pals right now, but what about Kevin? He and Kate are siblings and I'm not sure that whatever tension there was between them would have lasted forever. I just feel like not just this newest video, but what Julie has said in her blog will make it a lot harder to forgive and forget.
I'm not saying what Kate did was right, but what Jodi is doing is ten times worse, imo. I'm not even talking about the blog, it's her involvement with crazy people that bothers me.
Jodi and Julie clearly aren't thinking about what is best for the Gosselin children. GWOP has people driving by the Gosselin home and encouraging people to harrass the Gosselins at their speaking engagements. How are these things in the best interest of the kids? I have no doubt that Kate didn't want Jodi to be payed for being on the show. So what? Julie and Jodi have made themselves appear like massive attention whores with this blog. Kate has her tv show, and Julie and Jodi have their internet sycophants. And they obviously don't care about who gets hurt, otherwise they would disavow GWOP and the stalker behavior that is encouraged there. It seems that as long as GWOP sucks up to Jodi through Julie, they don't care what vile things are said about the Gosselins on GWOP. And it isn't as if only Jon and Kate are criticized on GWOP, its the innocent children that Jodi and Julie claim to care about. There are posters at GWOP who have insinuated horrible things about the entire Gosselin family and as long as Julie and Jodi associate with and encourage GWOP, they are guilty by association.
"Do you really not care about how the Gosselin children are treated or did you just speak out of anger without thinking?"
I never said that I didn't care about the children. I said that I want Julie and Jodi to admit that it isn't all about the kids. People keep saying they are stirring up all this mess for the best interest of the children, but that can not be true. They are just looking for a reason to get back at Kate and are using the fact that Julie can't see the kids anymore as an excuse. They just want people to feel sorry for them and I'm not buying it. I know for a fact that my aunt would never never do what Jodi is doing. She wonders why Kate doesn't want her around her kids anymore? I liked Aunt Jodi at first, but all of this has made me dislike her. I think grown women should act like GROWN WOMEN, not kids!
Yes, you're right Fanny. It makes me wonder how Kevin feels about all of this. I wonder if he asked Jodi and her sister not to make all of this public but they did it anyway, or if he is fully behind what Jodi is doing. I really feel sorry for Jodi and J&K's kids, it's really too bad.
"I think Julie's blog ultimately reflects more on Julie and now Jodi than it does Jon and Kate. Julie and Jodi are airing this family's dirty laundry..."
Yep, exactly! No class...whatsoever. Clearly, it WAS about the $$$ or she would not have made this video which in NO way can help repair the relationship between any of the parties involved.
Linda said..."First, she was pushed around by J&K. That was captured for all the world to see on the TLC show.
Second, she was pushed around by her sister and the lovelies from GwoP. That was captured for the world to see on a webcam."
Linda calls it here. I am not going to make any sweeping statements because I don't know any of the people involved, but I think it is pretty clear that Kate has a strong personality and I would bet a $100 bill that "Bitter Julie" has been called "strong", "opinionated" and "difficult" in her day too. What a huge surprise that Julie & Kate probably don't like each other and Jodi is caught in the middle. A part of me does feel sorry for Jodi, but she has made some poor decisions in all this and she will have to live with those.
A couple of last thoughts. When the whole story came out about Kate supposedly not wanting Jodi to paid by TLC, I was a bit torn. A part of me was a little disappointed in Kate's behavior. To this day, I don't think any of us know the the whole *truth* because it is not a cut and dried matter. A part of it is subjective becuase feelings and emotions are involved and each party has no doubt convinced themself that they acted in the right. I do think that in a way Kate's decision (if, in fact, it was her decision which I still don't accept as "fact") has been validated to a degree. Look what happens when family, loyalty and the almighty dollar mix - nothing good. And then add the likes of "Bitter Julie" and circumstances go from 'not great' to 'disaster'.
Time is great healer of wounds. Emotions are clearly very raw now, but I do hope that both couples can move on from this at some point in the future.
"And yes, Kate acted like an ass over the gum thing, but Kate acts like that all the time. This isn't news. My question is, why if Jodi was being treated so badly all this time did she come forward(through her sister) only when it was a question of money? "
It's way more than an issue of money, IMO. It's about Jodi making Kate look bad on national TV. Kate puts a sick, feverish Joel on the laundry room floor in the dark for the sin of vomiting on his comforter and inconveniecing her. Jodi is shown lovingly snuggling the same child when he is sick and feverish. Kate grates on the audeince, Jodi endears herself to same viewers.
The timing of Jodi coming forward now is because she has been cut out of the kids' lives and has not had contact with them since their birthdays. Before she, like many of the other helpers, accommodated Kate and Jon for fear of being cut out of the children's lives. Now it has happened.
I feel sorry for all the children, too. They are the big losers in all this. They will not see their cousins any more. The Gosselin kids have had one significant person after another ripped out of their lives because they no longer knew "how to help us." How sad is that?
Fanny said: "I'm not saying what Kate did was right, but what Jodi is doing is ten times worse, imo. I'm not even talking about the blog, it's her involvement with crazy people that bothers me."
You're absolutely right, if Jodi was never involved with crazy people like Kate and Jon, they could have avoided this mess.
Anon says..."What are you going to believe when Beth comes out with her story?"
If and when this happens, I'll access the credibility of both sides (including *how* Beth chooses to tell her story) and decide then.
That said, NOTHING is going to convince me that Kate (and Jon too) are monsters or psychopaths or deserving of the hatred they have had heaped on them from total strangers.
Whether the things said on Julie's blog are true or not, I don't think this is something that should have been aired on a blog. It's immature. If you have an issue w/ someone you should deal directly w/ that person. If the person is unwilling to work it out, then you take the higher road and move on. Eventually maybe you can work things out. I don't see how that could be possible now. If I were Kate and I knew that what was said was true, I still would feel extremely betrayed. Especially since so many nasty things are being said about those kids on a site that Julie is helping to promote. Julie is Jodi's "speaker" so in turn Jodi is helping to promote it as well.
IMO the whole family is dysfunctional, and that includes J&K, Jodi and Kevin and Julie as well. This situation is being made worse by all of the public comments.
I think this is a sad situation. Really sad. The video showed me how much this family is hurting.
No one can deny that there are a lot of hurt feelings,a lot of wounded pride and a lot of anger on both sides. It's really sad to see this family fall apart. But the true losers in all of this are the 12 kids.
Despite all of the emotion, however, I still think there are a lot of unanswered questions and that this issue goes much deeper than gum. I'm sorry, but IMO money was at least partly at the root of this on both sides. IMO, there is also "family of origin" junk that is coming into play. This is a public display of 2 families at their worst.
I said before, I don't agree with Kate's decision not to pay Jodi. I think if it were my decision I would have decided differently. However, I think there was a difference of opinion. I'd be willing to bet that Kate thinks there is something wrong with paying family and that is why she hired an outsider. It was a slap in the face to Jodi and, hence, the bitterness ensued.
I guess my question would be... When did the relationship fall apart? When did Kate officially cut Jodi out of her life? On May 13th, Julie posted that Jodi was still involved in Kate's life on her blog where the nasty email is posted. It seems to me that the evidence is pointing to the Gosselin's kicking Jodi out of their lives due to the blog posts. Not for no reason whatsoever (as many have tried to purport)
My second question to both Kate and Jodi would be...why? This is nonsense...it's so petty. I think they're both acting like children in all of this. They are BOTH wrong for letting this go so far.
My hope for them is that they put all of the bitterness aside and work it out, if not for anything else, for the sake of their children.
My hope for them is that they put all of the bitterness aside and work it out, if not for anything else, for the sake of their children.
August 23, 2008 10:24 PM
I will be very surprised if they are able to work anything out, now that all of this has become so public. Jodi may have felt betrayed by how she was treated but now she's betrayed them back. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I think Julie needs to quit posting on GWoP. IMO, it's causing more harm than good. Jodi has "spoken". Stop now before things are taken too far.
Hmmmm. I don't get it. What was that little drama supposed to prove? That Julie was who she said she was? That was never a question for me. I always believed that Julie was Jodi's sister. I had no problem with that. What I had a problem was is her conduct and all this did was prove that I was right. That smirking "hello" as she popped her head in the frame? Big deal, honey. It's not your identity that I question, it's your integrity. Spilling secrets about your sister's in-laws to perfect strangers on the Internet was the problem and obviously you're too enamored with your star status at GWoP to see how wrong your conduct is and how it endangers the safety of eight children.
Jodi? What were you thinking? If the quivering voice and tears are because you aren't seeing your nieces and nephews anymore, blame your sister, because if I were Jon and Kate, and my primary baby sitter had a sister who was spilling private family business for the World Wide Web to read, I'd cut her off, too. Your smirking sis is a security threat and is doing you no favors in that regard. Maybe you should have stopped her.
Jodi's video doesn't change my opinion of anything that much...except that it's confirmation that Jodi is not the living saint she's been purported to be.
I don't want to be all conspiracy-minded (I'll leave that to the GWoP folks), but the way the video was shot, it was almost like Bitter Julie was holding Jodi's fluffy baby kitten right off camera and threatening to break its neck if Jodi didn't repeat Julie's manifesto verbatim. I was disappointed that Jodi made vague references to "the truth" but didn't really specify what that entailed.
I can believe that both Kate and Jodi are flawed individuals who each have some blame in their estrangement. I can believe that they are both hurt. I don't believe that Jodi's video is some smoking gun that proves the "truth" for ever and always. All it proves is that Jodi backs up Julie. Which, unfortunately for me, is the one question I wasn't really sure of the answer to, and the answer does make me respect Jodi less.
What Julie has done is in my mind indisputably crass, tacky and damaging to the relationship between the Gosselins and Jodi and Kevin, and to have Jodi give her stamp of approval simply means that she has likely been part of it all along. I don't want to judge her too harshly, because it bugs me when people judge Kate too harshly, but when I think of all the gossipy little bits that Bitter Julie has dropped at GWoP, presumably fed to her by Jodi...I don't see how people can defend her or think that she s this wonderful person. I get that a lot of viewers idealized her as a mother figure in contrast to Kate, but her behavior has been undeniably damaging to the Gosselin children, which would seem to counteract any claims that she cares more about the Gosselin kids than Kate does.
Good for Jodi. Julie was obviously hurt for her sister who she loves and stands behind, unlike J&K with their families. Jodi said it best when she said sometimes it's easier to keep quiet but that only leads to more speculation (paraphrased). So for her to come out was the appropriate thing to do. If J&K are the sham they seem to be, then the public deserves to know.
And someone said how J&K aren't speaking about this so that makes them better people??? WTH could they say except to throw themselves on the mercy of the court and come clean about how they treat family, friends, etc. Now THAT I would respect.
I came here to read opinions on Jodi's video. I should have expected to see "regulars" STILL siding with Jon and Kate. I guess some people can't accept the truth even when it slaps them in the face. To those who are willing to see both sides, thanks for being fair. My only negative regarding Jodi is that I wish she'd spoken out sooner. If y'all can call Julie names ("Bitter Julie"), is it ok for me to call Kate names? And how is Julie bitter? Please explain?
And I went to GWoP expecting to see one big love fest and I did so what is your point. Why would anyone feel that this video would change anyone's view on the key points? I re-read the Truth Breeds Hatred post below and all of the points are still valid. In the end, neither Jodi or Julie chose to speak out until money was involved. Enough said.
"Especially since so many nasty things are being said about those kids on a site that Julie is helping to promote."
That's a lie. Stop it.
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Maybe a more accurate way to put it is that Julie regularly posts on a site where so many nasty things have been said about those kids.
And according to the same blog's promoters and moderators, Julie has personally met with them.
Okay. Julie is who she says she is. Julie was supporting her sister who she says was treated very badly on national television. Now Jodi "reveals" herself on the internet so that she can support Julie whose identity has been questioned.
So my next question is ...
What does Aunt Jodi think about the nastiness that has been posted about the children on the GwoP blog? Does Aunt Jodi support her sister's involvement with these people?
Linda, I agree, people should never never say anything nasty about the kids, especially since they can't speak for themselves. I do think that folks have the right to comment on poor behavior, but other than that, nobody should be mean to or about the kids. I thought the kids were the REASON for the show. What nasty things are being said about them? I admit I don't read everything that is posted over at the other site.
Yeah Id love to know what Jodi thinks of Julie getting all cozy with the GWOP stalkers. How come she didnt say "hey I think its great that the GWOP crew drive by my nieces and nephews house, and I think its super duper that they call Hannah words like oafish and homely" The video didnt change anything, it just made Jodi look even worse. It was hysterical seeing Julie with the big grin and happy demeanor when her "poor sad" sister was on the verge of tears. How anyone can think Julie is even remotely a decent person makes me laugh.
I can't help but wonder what Jodie hoped to accomplish by going public with her issues. And I'm sick of hearing "We're doing it for the children." "We want the best for the kids." Because, whether it's the nutcases at GWOP or Julie, all of the attacking doesn't do a lick of good. Whatever nasty or rude emails Julie and Jodi have received, I can assure you Kate and Jon have gotten it 100 times worse. They're the faces of the show, they're more famous, so they would be taking the brunt of it.
But, as we saw on the viewer mail episode, they brush off that type of mail. They deal with it behind closed doors because it's no one's business. They aren't putting out "whoa is me" videos. And what if Cara or Mady, who aren't strangers to computers, happened to find a site like GWOP? Do the weirdos there think it would be informative and helpful to them to see the things they constantly say about their parents? Now, THAT would be abusive.
And what is the point of the hatred of sites like GWOP? They don't know the Gosselins. They don't know the friends or relatives. Oh, except for the creepy and scary head of GWOP who met with Julie. They have no stake in this. There's no cash prize if Jon and Kate are taken down. Oh, right. It's for the KIDS!!! Sure it is.
It's irrelevant if Kate and Jon are unlikable, mean people. It's their show. They were the ones approached to do it. They and their kids are the reason it's popular. So I have no problem with them behaving like dictators. It's an opportunity of a lifetime and they're milking it for all its worth. If a friend or family member has an issue, deal with it privately, like all families do. This whole Julie/Jodie thing screams of bitter people who wanted to get their hands in the cookie jar and had their hands smacked away. Now they're crying to their congregation of hate for support in hopes of ruining Jon and Kate's life somehow.
This is so pathetic, it just boggles the mind. It's a TV show! I watch to see the kids acting cute. Who cares what goes on when the cameras are off. It doesn't concern me. And to witness this crusade of harrassment and verbal abuse by GWOP is frightening. How can you take things so seriously.
The bottom line is, the video made Jodi look meek and pathetic and her vengeful and bitter sister is doing her no favors.
I too would like to know how Jodi feels about the GWoP site and all of the things that are written about the Gosselins and the kids. Does Jodi agree that some of them need evaluated by a psychologist, as has been suggested by more than 1 poster over there? Does Jodi agree that that tups are "delayed" in their speech and abilities?
Jodi said Julie's blog is true. What she didn't say was whether or not all of the stuff that Julie has posted on GWoP is true. Julie's blog is mostly in reference to "gumgate" and Jodi not being paid by TLC. All of the rest of the stuff she hasn't posted on her blog, just on GWoP...
And to ANON @ 11:37 who said it's a lie and told me to stop it. This blog allows me to have MY OPINION. I don't know what is a lie or truth with this family anymore. So, no, I won't "stop it". As long as Julie and Jodi keep airing the families dirty laundry I will continue to have my opinion on the subject, whether they like it or not. If they don't like it, tough. They have chosen to go public and this is what happens when you do.
That video was very moving. Note that Jodi did NOT take an opportunity to slam or even refer to J&K specifically. Not once did she get specific. She is, far from being an airhead, a class act. I miss her on the show. She actually interacted with the kids when they were at her house. Someone said she was always an oasis on the show and I agree with that.
I think Jodi is placed between a rock and a hard place. J&K are open to everyone and can say whatever they want about whoever they want (if they so desire - they're smart not to).
I know when someone was lying about me and telling horrible untruths that it hurt me, and if I thought it would be productive I might have posted a video defending myself.
This might be how Jodi is feeling. Maybe she felt people thought SHE had abandoned the kids (and these aren't people that are just in her local area - this is nation wide) and she wanted to say that she didn't.
TV is a horrible thing when it comes to these type of reality shows (IMO).
I've actually stopped watching J&K because of the exploitation of the children, and refuse to watch any show where the kids are to young to make their own decisions about the matter.
I don't like J&K, I don't think their the worst parents in the world, but they are certainly not someone I would look up to. I can't wait for this show to be off the air, for the kids sake.
BTW I also don't want a Jodi and Julie show if that involves the children. If it's just them, whatever. If it's not - then I wouldn't watch them either.
I agree with Guinevere. I wouldn't say the video was any "smoking gun." The video only solidly proved that Jodi is in agreement with Julie's blog, Julie is who she says she is and no one (including Jodi) knows how to appropriately reslove conflict. There is no "innocent victim" here. It takes 2 to have a disagreement and everyone is behaving badly. I'm sorry but I don't think this makes Jodi "brave" and if u can't see bitterness and spite in this then u are wearing the blinders as well. Did Jodi deserve to be treated badly on TV? Absolutely not. Should Kate have allowed her to continue on the show? Maybe (we don't have Kate's side). For Jodi to make a public specticle of the conflict is equally tactless. Sorry. Even Lindsey Lohan, who allegedly had a terrible father, never went on the web to constantly bash him (no matter the controversy). How can u argut that taking this public is not just as detestable as "gumgate" if not, worse. Some people take conditional morals stances, apparantly. it all depends on who the person is, right?
For some of you, it appears, Julie and Jodi will always be wrong for "airing dirty laundry" but have no issue with the two that created it - Jon and Kate. If Jodi had come out extolling nothing but virtues for them, some of you would be singing a different tune.
I'm sorry, but a "class act" would have her family and personal issues with them resolved quietly and between the members involved. The public should have nothing to do with it.
I don't know how people think Jon and Kate are taking the high road. They had previously posted on their own website that their family members are jealous of them (that's no different from what Jodi is doing). This is a woman that is just fed up with Jon and Kate being portrayed in such a positive light when they do such horrible things. And people that accuse Jodi of wanting money? Um, Jon and Kate know that every second their children are in front of the camera they are being permanently damaged more and more - but hey, they are making money so that is the most important thing right?
Also, look at it this way. Kevin was the ONLY family member Kate even spoke to. I understand she has several other brothers and sisters that are not in the picture. And of course both her parents and Jon's mother are out of the picture. Do you really thing that every single family member is in the wrong and J/K are in the right here? That's quite the 'us against the world' mentality. I can't believe that their entire families are horrible people and they are the good people. I mean all you do is have to watch the show to see what kind of person Kate is (though the J/K defenders will no doubt come back at me with, well of course she's a b*tch, she has eight kids). Great defense.
No, I think Kate is who she is. She is controlling, anxious and a self-professed germaphobe.
The Jodi we saw on their show was a very nurturing, creative and giving person.
I've never "looked up" to Kate Gosselin. I've also never "looked up" to Aunt Jodi. My role models are from real life not from TLC or an internet webcam.
I still maintain that Julie and Jodi even tangentally aligning themselves with the likes of GwoP is a very poor, probably destructive choice in the life of each their families.
This is a train wreck.
This is nothing to be happy about or feel vindicated about. It is a complete train wreck.
Jenn said: "And to ANON @ 11:37 who said it's a lie and told me to stop it. This blog allows me to have MY OPINION. I don't know what is a lie or truth with this family anymore. So, no, I won't "stop it".
Jenn, you said that nasty things were said about the kids, that is an "untruth" not an opinion. Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to. Relax!
I have been reading the Jon and Kate blogs (both pro and con) for a while but have never posted until now. I am not a "hater" because I do not know them personally, but I do not worship them for the very same reason. I base my opinions on what they have shown me on tv. I have nothing to say about the way Jon and Kate parent or what they have done to improve their appearance. I have done and said many things to and in front of my children that I am not happy about. I do, however, believe that the children are being exploited. I do not feel the need to explain why--it has been stated by many posters before me. BTW, I have stopped watching the show. I do not want to "be a part of the problem". I, and the people who share my opinion, would like for the show to be cancelled and to have yearly updates. TLC, Figure 8, and the sponsors do not care about the situation. They only see dollars signs. The only way I see for the show to be cancelled is for someone from the inside to tell the viewers that the rumors are true. This is what Jodi has done. I think what Jodi did was very difficult. It was tough love--risking never seeing the children again in hopes that they will no longer be exploited. Just my two cents.
I, too, would like to know how much Jodi knows about GWoP. Does she realize that many people will assume she is saying everything on that site is true?
If the kids are indeed being terrorized by Kate, and abused, etc. WHY is Jodi not speaking out about that?Why would she allow them to film in her home if she thought it was detrimental for them to be on the show? Why would she not express her concerns to J&K and to Figure8? Or, you know, actual child welfare authorities.
And how would anyone express their concerns about Jodi's participation in Julie's blog and GWop?That is, if you don't run into her at the store. You can't reply to the blog and can't get anything critical through at GWop.
That is exactly right. There were a lot of things going on over there that they have cleaned up. The people that have just started blogging in the last month or so don't realize that.
Anonymous said... Jenn said: "And to ANON @ 11:37 who said it's a lie and told me to stop it. This blog allows me to have MY OPINION. I don't know what is a lie or truth with this family anymore. So, no, I won't "stop it".
Jenn, you said that nasty things were said about the kids, that is an "untruth" not an opinion. Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to. Relax!
I have seen many posts on gwop calling the kids names, saying they need mental health evals. Are you saying those things are okay to say about 7 and 4 year olds?
Guinevere said... "I don't want to be all conspiracy-minded (I'll leave that to the GWoP folks), but the way the video was shot, it was almost like Bitter Julie was holding Jodi's fluffy baby kitten right off camera and threatening to break its neck if Jodi didn't repeat Julie's manifesto verbatim. I was disappointed that Jodi made vague references to "the truth" but didn't really specify what that entailed."
This sounds exactly like GWOP. Why are we reading into things like this? You make the situation sound like a terrorist video. We are also going too far.
"That's not true, Kate shopped their story around - TLC was the highest bidder."
This was one of the topics that Julie touched on - it was also revealed that if TLC decides to pull the plug, Kate already has someone waiting in the wings to take over. It has been adequately proven to me that what she has been posting is true. That and what I have seen of Kate - she has no intention of the gravy train to end.
Personal feelings aside, all the "evidence" is in the shows. I don't sit in front of the television listening for every word,but there have been moments where I've said to myself, "that's not what was said last week" or "that doesn't make sense".
I have read that part of the rift, between Kate and her parents, was they did not appreciate Kate's attitude when members of their congregation donated items - but were deemed not worthy enough by Kate because they did not "match".
I just recently watched the surviving twins and sextuptlets special for the first time. What did I see in the nursery? Six matching cribs. If you are truly in need, I would think you would graciously accept whatever is offered to you.
It is my opinion based on what I saw, that the story made sense.
Another thing about the cribs. In the episode where beds are purchased for the children, Jon states all the cribs have been sold at a yard sale along with the special table with the six seats.
That would be fine. Except in previous episodes, they both state that they "give back and pay it forward". They state they will donate their items to families of multiples who could use the items. Well, I guess that's one of their "untruths" - the family of multiples who could benefit from the items is themselves.
The people on gwop are harrassing Kate's family and saying hateful things about her and her kids. How can someone who loves those kids support that?
August 23, 2008 7:09 PM
When and where are posters at GWoP harassing the family and saying hurtful things about the kids? If you are refering to the parody's, that is exactly what they are. it doesn't take a half wit to figure that out.
Once again this site pounced on GWop to get there topic of the day. Whatever! My beef is the bitterness in you posters! It seems like there are alot of hostile people here.
I think Jodie's video was to give proof to the doubters, but imo, there is much more to be told. While it may not be the best way to handle a family porblem, Jon and Kate do not seem to be reasonable or reachable. I think the video is threatening to Jon and kate, and for reasons we may not know, necessary.
"Jenn, you said that nasty things were said about the kids, that is an "untruth" not an opinion. Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to." **************************** Sorry, just repeating the same talking point over and over doesn't make it accurate.
The kids are far from "off limits" as you state. Maybe certain comments don't make it through depending on who is moderating at a particular time, but I have seen numerous inappropriate comments made about the kids during my infrequent visits there. I am not going to repeat them all or subject myself to re-reading them (maybe *some* of them were removed after the fact), but they go along the lines of "Kid B is in desperate need of therapy", "Kid D is the favorite and is homely", "Kid C is a terror", etc. etc. In one recent episode re-cap Kid A was told to "shut up" by the writer. Charming.
We won't even go into how they talk about the parents of these children they profess to care about so much.
A lot of hostile people here???? Nobody pounced on GWoP to get the topic of the day. In fact, several of your faithful readers and bloggers e-mailed me and left comments to make sure that I saw it and posted it. Because if they hadn't I probably wouldn't have noticed it until much later yesterday. They couldn't wait to see the posters over here eat crow and when they don't see the reaction or response they had hoped for, they leave comments such as yours.
I feel sorry for Jodi. I feel more sorry for the all of the kids. Unfortunately, when you have a dispute with in-laws, there is no court of appeal. By going to the internet to try a manufacture a court of appeal, it only makes a bigger mess of everything.
I believe that Jodi loves the Gosselin kids, but at this point, she's displaying hurt feelings that are all about herself. There's no good that could come to the Gosselin kids through that video. Julie feels vindicated, great. Jodi gets sympathy from strangers on the internet, okay. But the kids get nothing from that, just their aunt indicting their parents to people on the internet who already bear ill will towards their parents. Kate's a bitch, so what? There's lots of them out there. Their parents are their parents, that's who they are tied to for life, who they love. Regardless of the fact that the kids do not deserve any of this, they are in the line of fire.
Maybe Jodi felt an impulse to come to her sister's defense, since Julie's motives and authenticity were being questioned. Julie bears the responsibility for putting her sister in that position. My question to Julie would be, why didn't you support your sister in the real world? Be her sounding board, give her your supporting words? Why did you bring an army of strangers into the fray?
In addition to making Jodi's situation messier, more painful, beyond reconciliation, Julie has also helped to empower a group of people who have a huge mixed bag of motivations. There are some who will now feel extremely righteous about whatever they choose to do. And Julie and Jodi will not be able to control it. Jon and Kate will get the brunt of it, but there's bound to be collateral damage--The Kids.
I'm sorry, but a "class act" would have her family and personal issues with them resolved quietly and between the members involved. The public should have nothing to do with it.
August 24, 2008 9:46 AM
You are assuming that jon and kate are approachable people. I think not. And we also don't know what has been done behind the scenes. The future holds the rest of the truth and I hope both blogs are still open. we will discuss it then!
I'm sorry, but a "class act" would have her family and personal issues with them resolved quietly and between the members involved. The public should have nothing to do with it.
August 24, 2008 9:46 AM
DO you think it is ok to have to spontaneous vomiting children? What do you think the root of that is? if your child vomited everytime he/she was upset, would you think to have him/her evaluated? I don't think that is cruel. It is cruel to ignore it and make fun of it on tv. Why don't you all talk about the stuff on the show instead of picking apart what another blog talks about? Why do you watch the show? Do you think it is OK? And you are right , the public should have nothing to do with Jon and Kate. But they are there on TV, several times a week, showcasing their kids for money. Making fun of them, humiliatiing them. That is what is wrong!
The people on gwop are harrassing Kate's family and saying hateful things about her and her kids. How can someone who loves those kids support that?
August 23, 2008 7:09 PM
When and where are posters at GWoP harassing the family and saying hurtful things about the kids? If you are refering to the parody's, that is exactly what they are. it doesn't take a half wit to figure that out.
Once again this site pounced on GWop to get there topic of the day. Whatever! My beef is the bitterness in you posters! It seems like there are alot of hostile people here.
I think Jodie's video was to give proof to the doubters, but imo, there is much more to be told. While it may not be the best way to handle a family porblem, Jon and Kate do not seem to be reasonable or reachable. I think the video is threatening to Jon and kate, and for reasons we may not know, necessary.
"They couldn't wait to see the posters over here eat crow"
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That sums it up, doesn't it?
Sorry, as others have said, there were no great TRUTHS revealed other than Jodi definately supports her sister's blog and posting at GWoP. Makes me respect Jodi a bit less, but I still see Julie as the main instigator in this whole mess.
My main point and one I could go on more at length about, is Julie/Jodi don't *own* the truth. In any family squabble such as this one, each side has their own version of the "truth" and in most cases the "truth" (if it is really to be found in an argument such as this) lies somewhere in the middle.
My main point and one I could go on more at length about, is Julie/Jodi don't *own* the truth. In any family squabble such as this one, each side has their own version of the "truth" and in most cases the "truth" (if it is really to be found in an argument such as this) lies somewhere in the middle.
August 24, 2008 10:58 AM
THIS is far froma family squabble. 8 kids bing filmed in various stages of dress, distress, bowel problems, peeing in the garage, Kate's temper, Jon's temper, the list goes forever on-this isn't "I cooked Thanksgiving last year and this year it is your turn". It would be nice to meet in the middle but we can't.
Just think about how you write your posts. Would you speak the same way if the person were sitting next to you??? I think alot of you wouldn't dare.
I think you should remember to alwayd post respectfully. -
"Once again this site pounced on GWop to get there topic of the day. Whatever! My beef is the bitterness in you posters! It seems like there are alot of hostile people here."
First of all, GWoP does not own the internet. If you spend anytime reading internet news sites, entertainment blogs or even the evening news you will see that it is common practice to talk about the news for the day. We started this blog so that we could do so. And I guess we will continue to do so. Regarding the "hostile people comment", do me a favor and go back to the very beginning of GWoP and read every article and read every comment and you tell me who is hostile.
Was it not stated on this blog that it was a work in progress? That the outcome would be dependent on what input was received from the posters?
Why not extend the same courtesy to the GWOP blog? It is not the same blog that was originally conceptualized. It has been cleaned up quite a bit.
I think the distinction once again has to be made that GWOP is a different entity from the "secret board".
Regardless if it is run by the same people - they keep the nasty stuff, if any, to themselves.
How would anyone, "defend" any of their own private messages, e-mails, etc.? Would you be prepared to have your private thoughts, comments, jokes, things said in jest, etc to be published?
That's the difference between posting on a "public" board versus a private one.
I am not defending what is said, I am just saying if say "this is wrong" then it should apply to your own actions as well.
If you are talking about my comments, I never stated anything about a secret board. I have only read GWoP. Someone stated that we were hostile and bitter. My point was, although not clearly stated, that if you read GwoP from the beginning until now you will see great bitterness and hostility towards the Gosselins. That has not changed. The blog is still full of hatred, bitterness and hostility towards the Gosselins and anyone that likes the show. Just because there is a big love fest going on with Jodi and Julie right now does not change that. So we can sit here and point fingers at each other all we want.
We realize this blog is small. That is ok. Is it similar to GWoP? Sure. I am not ashamed of that. It is our forum to speak our minds.
DO you think it is ok to have to spontaneous vomiting children? What do you think the root of that is?
No I don't think it's okay for a child to vomit spontaneously, but I also don't think it's okay to assume it has anything or everything to do with the child's mother.
if your child vomited everytime he/she was upset, would you think to have him/her evaluated?
Probably I would have taken my child to the doctor, yes. How do you know J&K haven't?
Why don't you all talk about the stuff on the show instead of picking apart what another blog talks about?
I certainly was not "picking apart" I was giving my opinion on the Aunt Jodi situation by referring to another poster. Also, I have posted before and spoken about the show, today's topic here are "feelings on Aunt Jodi's video" well I don't believe she portrayed herself as a "class act"
Why do you watch the show?
Because I enjoy watching this family.
Do you think it is OK?
My feelings on whether I think the show is okay are mixed. I do agree, these children have not had say in being on television or the amount of time they are filmed. I do believe J&K began doing this because they knew financially it would be helpful, I don't know their motives now so I cannot comment on them. And you are right , the public should have nothing to do with Jon and Kate. But they are there on TV, several times a week, showcasing their kids for money. Making fun of them, humiliatiing them. That is what is wrong!
Again, I disagree with you when you say they are on TV therefore we should know about them. I disagree with all the media and paparazzi following celebrities around. They need their privacy too, just because they are famous doesn't make everything our business. - Also, there are many times on the show they praise their children, laugh with them, hug them, kiss them, and tell them they love them. Yes I do think it's okay to be on TV showing how much you love your child.
I for one have never seen anyone making fun or being unkind to any of the kids on the site you mention or on this site. I have seen some people say they wished the kids would not be exposed to cameras and that they may have issues they need to address with a counselor or therapist now or later. The older girls may be at an age, and probably are, where they aren't so thrilled having at least any of their home life on TV for classmates to see. That sounds normal and reasonable to me. I think it would behoove J&K to listen to their older daughters and phase them out as much as they can. Of course I don't know the contractual obligations they've made regarding Mady and Cara.
Would anyone prefer, as I would, just to have less J&K, much, much less, and more of just the kids playing and interacting and reacting with each other?
"Would anyone prefer, as I would, just to have less J&K, much, much less, and more of just the kids playing and interacting and reacting with each other"
Absolutely. People who feel that way should let Figure 8 or TLC know. I e-mailed them several weeks ago but did not get a response back.
"I have found that some "defenders" do so no matter what, it appears that they find no fault, in Jon or Kate. No red flags at all."
I am not blind to Jon and Kate's faults. Their faults should not be the driving motivation behind "advocating" for the children.
Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to."
Wish that was true but afraid not! One that sticks in my mind is a poster named Dew calling Hannah 'oafish'. I called her on it, her response was to remove the comment. I recall other instances but I sure can't go back and find them.
I also don't believe that saying that the children need to see counsellors is 'bashing' the children. CLEARLY Mady needs help (smiling while talking about stabbing the tups with pencils is not normal in any way shape or form). It's not her fault that she is that way - she receives absolutely no attention nor is she disciplined. Cara does not receive any attention either. I only think of the well being of both these girls when I say they need help (unlike their own mother).
As for saying that is okay for the children to be on TV. It's the farthest thing from okay. I mean it's obviously had a seriously negative effect on Mady and Cara - the tups are not far behind. All you have to do is look at almost any child star (or the Dionne quintuplets) to know the negative consequences of what Jon and Kate are doing. They know full well too but they don't care.
I believe that Jodi loves the Gosselin kids, but at this point, she's displaying hurt feelings that are all about herself. There's no good that could come to the Gosselin kids through that video
I 100% disagree that Jodi is displaying only her own hurt feelings. Do you get how much she loves her nieces and nephews???
I believe there is alot more that we don't know. I think she is worried for them. It is very cynical to think Jodi is thinking only about herself.
I think the distinction once again has to be made that GWOP is a different entity from the "secret board".
What do you mean by secret board? There is no secret board I am aware of.
You can call a spade a spade without hostility or bitterness. There is a huge difference. I think it has to do with personal happiness and intelligence.
My main point and one I could go on more at length about, is Julie/Jodi don't *own* the truth. In any family squabble such as this one, each side has their own version of the "truth" and in most cases the "truth" (if it is really to be found in an argument such as this) lies somewhere in the middle.
August 24, 2008 10:58 AM
THIS is far froma family squabble. 8 kids bing filmed in various stages of dress, distress, bowel problems, peeing in the garage, Kate's temper, Jon's temper, the list goes forever on-this isn't "I cooked Thanksgiving last year and this year it is your turn". It would be nice to meet in the middle but we can't.
Just think about how you write your posts. Would you speak the same way if the person were sitting next to you??? I think alot of you wouldn't dare.
I think you should remember to alwayd post respectfully. -
"Their faults should not be the driving motivation behind "advocating" for the children."
I don't think that the children are physically abused.
I think anyone that SERIOUSLY considered contacting CPS is delusional.
I don't want to predict that these children will have "issues" because of the environment they are being exposed to.
But I don't think their are parents are making the best decisions for them. I think the money and sense of entitlement is clouding their decision-making.
If their own parents do not think it is "wrong" - then I can see why some people are advocating for them.
Personally I think, if the parents don't put a stop to it, no one can. The network doesn't care - it is one exploitive circle. Parents-Network-Children.
There were a number of comments on the GwoP blog which said a variety of derogatory things about the Gosselin children.
They've all been called brats.
Some of the posters have without meeting the younger children have been diagnosed them with mental illness. The posters have also predicted that the kids would end up having a variety of social problems including being drug dealers, have unwanted pregnancies, etc.
What has gotten under the skin of so many posters who now frequent this site was that until recently, those derogatory posts consistently made it through the moderators censoring process but comments offering another perspective never saw the light of day.
The size of Ks rear has been frequently commented about as has Js lack of man parts.
It is this kind of moderating that has made me, and others, suspicious about the motives of GwoP.
Jon and Kate will get the brunt of it, but there's bound to be collateral damage--The Kids.
August 24, 2008 10:48 AM
And what would most parents do if there children became "Collateral Damage"? Would you protect them to the ends of the earth??? UM, YEA!
Do Jon and Kate, UM, NO!!!!!!!
I hope Jodi knows more then what has been told. I hope the scammers that Jon and Kate are, and no one in their right mind can say that these are honest people, there is evidence that they are not, are scared to death of what is yet to come out. They are not good decent people at all. Read the archives people. Stop defending them.
I think this is a sad situation for everyone involved - especially for twelve children who did nothing wrong, you know?
I don't think Jodi's perfect by any means, but those of you justifying how "backstabbing" she is based on J&K not responding have to remember that they are under contract. TLC might very well be telling them not to respond right now.
WHATEVER happens, I hope this can be resolved. Not for Jodi and Kevin, not for Jon and Kate, not for the audience, but for all of the kids.
I am not blind to Jon and Kate's faults. Their faults should not be the driving motivation behind "advocating" for the children.
August 24, 2008 12:47 PM
Nina Bell-there faults are the reason why the kids are treated like commodities. Why they are dismissed when sick or in need of parental help. Their faults sucj as greed and dishonesty are why this show continues. Of course one must look at their fautls.
Considering their behavior, would you feel better if they were referred to as "dispositionally challenged, discourteous young individuals"?
"Some of the posters have without meeting the younger children have been diagnosed them with mental illness."
The only person I have seen described as having a mental illness is Kate - which I find to be an accurate guess.
"The posters have also predicted that the kids would end up having a variety of social problems including being drug dealers, have unwanted pregnancies, etc."
Being a drug dealer and having unwanted pregnancies are not social problems - they are called bad choices.
I find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
I feel sorry for the kids. It is terribly sad, I think we can all agree on that.
I can't imagine they will be unscathed by this show, and by having a mother like Kate.
I do think it is very reasonable to predict that the children will have a varity of problems as a result. I don't see happy kids now, and I sure don't see happy parents.
And, I honesty don't think Jon or Kate are good and decent people.
I find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
I have to inteject - if Kate and Jon cannot withoud their own criticism and name calling of their own children - who is to blame when others do it as well?
Advocacy of children - sorry, I thought Parents should be their own children's first line of advocacy.
I read both this blog and the GWOP blog. I think that this particular thread has gone off topic.
I dont consider myself a hater. I dont consider myself a lover of the gosselin parents.
I used to watch the show because as a new parent, i was curious how it could be done with 8.
I saw Jodi's video. She never mentions GWOP. She doesnt appear to be posting over there. She just said that the information on her sister's blog is true and that this whole fiasco has been difficult to deal with. thats all.
Of course we are all entitled to our opinion. But in this particular thread, there has been alot of people bashing each other's opinion - which i thought went against the premise of this site.
In the end,IMHO, i dont think the fallout between the gosselin parents and Jodi is a result of only money. It goes beyond that and further back and as outsiders, im sure we'll never know the whole truth.
I dont think its bad of her to confirm who her sister is and that the information on that site is true. When she kept her mouth shut, she was bashed and when she spoke out she was bashed.
Its a no win situation. I feel sorry for her, others that were unappreciated and ousted by the gosselin parents and the kids. Being alienated from friends and family has got to be tough.
But lets remember to respect each other opinions and address them in an adult, intelligent manner. And refrain from saying "oh but look at how that other site is"
"Of course we are all entitled to our opinion. But in this particular thread, there has been alot of people bashing each other's opinion - which i thought went against the premise of this site."
Sorry this is the premise of this site
"You have the right to your opinions. You don't have the right to not have your opinions questioned. We are sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is." - Guinevere
I read these comments from the GWOPers and can only shake my head. The denials about nasty comments about the kids, who are they trying to kid? They cry and carry on about J&K and "honesty" when they are here typing lies themselves. As far as this so called "pressure" they think they are putting on J&K, talk about delusions of grandeur. Oy! Its very unfortunate that there is no means of communication with Jodi, I have the sneaky suspicion that she doesnt have a clue what her sister is up to on GWOP. I think she believes the blog is all that Julie is up to, I cant conceive how she would possibly be okay with her sister mixing herself up with the crazies on GWOP. Its funny that if Jodi had just gotten $$$$ everything that takes place on the show would have been kosher with Julie, but the minute Jodi doesnt get paid, the kids are all abused. Funny isnt it?
I think the problem is way more than Jodi being paid or not. After all, she told Kate that she would continue watching the children whether she was paid or not.
I find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
Let's see if this comment makes the grade.
Jon and Kate criticize their children and make fun of them all the time. Who is to blame when others feel that they can do the same?
Advocacy for a child should start with he or her own parent.
Let me ask this, would Jodi's whole ordeal been a lot easier to deal with if she did not have to think about her sister's web site and the many blogs out there talking about her?
find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
Totally agree with that. The GWOP people complain about Jon and Kate favoring Hannah and Cara and then do the same with Mady and now Alexis and are totally abusive in their judging of Hannah and Cara. I think it's horrible to make comments like that against a child. I've read some comments about Cara and Hannah there that make me sick.
As for Jodi's video. I don't know what to think of it...
Honestly family feuds should be dealt with within the family and not on the Internet.
Talking about J&K's faults isn't slamming the children. Apples & oranges. They are all innocent children as far as I'm concerned and I think posters at both sites would say the very same thing.
Never heard of a secret board either.
No one on any site used the word abuse that I saw (& I've only been on recently), but what they have said was that, for example, Kate studying a furniture chart for what seemed like hours while a child suffered in a store was bad; that dragging Hannah out when she was sick was bad, etc.. The actions taken weren't of the children's doing and no one said they were. No one to blame there except the parents.
Anyone watching the show can't help but love each and every one of those children. I'm sorry if someone said they were brats. I can say that sometimes Mady acted in a bratty manner, but I think she just wants some attention and the camera out of her face and maybe, just maybe she wishes they could go back to where they were before the family enlarged. No surprise there.
All of us who have had kids or can remember when we were kids understand what it is like to be picked on at school for being in any way different. That may well be, as some have said, why Mady is at the moment more feisty than usual. Who knows?
I didn't know Jodi's sister had anything to do with the site you mentioned. Doesn't she have her very own site?
To the poster who said we should write to TLC, the sponsors and Figure 8 productions to request less J&K and more kids, thank you, point taken and I'm going to do that right now. Barbara in VA
"I think we are holding Kate and Jon up to different standards than we hold ourselves."
Us mere mortals, parents of singletons, or parents of none, or non Juicy Juice drinkers, do not put ourselves in the position to warrant such scrutiny.
"Slow day in without pity land?
Point taken - everything's been said over there."
Can't win - if there was a deluge of activity, could we then accuse them of gloating?
anonymous said: "It seems like there is a lot of trolling going on this morning and people trying to stir things up, doesn't it
August 24, 2008 11:26
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Why do you call it trolling? Is it because people have expressed different opinions than yours? I didn't realize it was inappropriate to express your opinion and thoughts on this board. Is it possible without being accused of being a "troll" or a "GWoPer?" I can speak for myself and ever since I began posting on this board, I have been accused of being from GWoP. Even if I did post over there, is it fair to lump all those posters in to one group? Isn't that a little naive and hate to say it but ignorant?
CLEARLY Mady needs help...It's not her fault that she is that way - she receives absolutely no attention nor is she disciplined.
Perfect example of the kind of crap we are talking about. Clearly? Clear to whom? You? There hundreds of MH works, CPS workers that watch the show and enjoy it. In fact, any time any sort of professional (foster mom, teachers, etc) posts on the blog to say "hey, you guys are a bit off base" you poo-poo them and say they aren't "looking hard enough" So, all of the professionals are wrong but you are right? Really?
Secondly, ANYTIME these kids are disciplined on TV, at least a good chunk of GWoP posters have a problem with it. You are so blind to the fact that your group tends to talk out of both sides of it's mouth.
Here is a familiar scenario...Cara and Mady are waiting for thier swim lesson (and BTW people, "look a little closer"...Cara was in the pool the whole time. Not sure why Mady chose to sit out). Mady acts inappropriately and tries to take something from the instructor's hand. She is sent inside and does not get her lesson that day.
You're general consensus...Mady and Cara should have gotten to go first. The NERVE of Kate.
Point #2: You say that the children are being exploited and the show should not be on the air in one breath then, in another, I've read several posters at GWoP saying "We'd like to see more of the kids and less of Jon and Kate." Really? Doesn't this mean they have to "work" more in their "sweatshop" of a home?
Why is it that you all come onto this site and only about 3 of you have the guts to sign your name?
You call us "mean" for calling you people "nuts" but then posts like this go on your site without being questioned....
Jon K said... Having come back from a vacation in E-Town just a few weeks ago, and having driven past the Gosselin's home, I can honestly say that at least at that time, they still had the same two vans parked in front of the house (I understand they were in Hawaii while we were out there).
Yeah, that's not nuts at all...How mean of us not to see this "stalking" as just bringing about a higher purpose.
I'm not sure how you can visit GWoP regularly and question the existance of the cruel, inappropriate, bizarre and evening frightening posts are. It sounds like your head is exactly where you accuse ours of being...in the sand...But there is nothing wrong with snark, right?
I guess I should say, there is nothing wrong when you snark...but God forbid the shoe is on the foot and you are the target...you start whining and crying about a "hostile" environment...
I made the trolling remark and it was in regards to the statement below. Not the people from GWoP. It is a term used when someone comes on a board or blog only for the sole purpose of stirring things up with made up information and not for the purpose of joining in on the converstion.
"It has been reported that Beth Carson is writing her own book(re: Jon & Kate + 8)."
I 100% disagree that Jodi is displaying only her own hurt feelings. Do you get how much she loves her nieces and nephews???
I said I believe she loves them. Her appearance on video does not demonstrate that love for the kids as being her top priority. She actually didn’t say anything about loving the kids on her video; she talked about how hard it’s been for her. She talked about herself throughout the video, but didn’t say anything about the kids.
Anonymous 1:18 pm said:
I hope Jodi knows more then what has been told. I hope the scammers that Jon and Kate are, and no one in their right mind can say that these are honest people, there is evidence that they are not, are scared to death of what is yet to come out.
If Jodi has known something about reportable illegalities or abuses by the Gosselins and she sat on that info while her sister played slap and tickle with the GWoP posters, she has done something completely despicable. And that’s what you’re hoping for? Jodi doesn’t need ‘help’ like that. August 24, 2008 1:18 PM
Barbara, are you actually READING the site...I know this is going to piss all you GWoPer's off but here is just a small example...from a blog posted just a few days ago.
Anonymous said... Kate needs help, and I'm not trying to be funny. I am actually worried for her. I am also upset with her.Some have alluded to her being on meds, I don't know how true that is but something has to be done for her sake as well as the children but foremost for the children.
There is abuse all over the place on this show as for the foster parent who says it doesn't meet the legal boundaries of what abuse is... look again.
or how about mlou said... I seriously hope Paul Peterson has been watching this show closely. Shots of the boys' cracks, blatent verbal abuse, spraying 4 year olds with a high pressure hose, these are all clear signs of abuse. If this does not cause people to take notice, then I'm afraid nothing will.
moi said... Not THE Beth said, "As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse."
I couldn't care less what the "legal" standard is. To any rational, mature person that is abusive behavior.
Perhaps 'the court' could try to convince the adult child of a monster who acted this way that that isn't abusive or damaging.
And that, my friend, is just a sampling of comments from this week alone....
Oh, and one more for the road...here is the PICTURE of kindness I would have dragged her into that water and forced her head into the sand for the crabs to eat
And whoops...I posted this comment anonymously because I was posting from my phone...this is actually my comment...
"I agree with Guinevere. I wouldn't say the video was any "smoking gun." The video only solidly proved that Jodi is in agreement with Julie's blog, Julie is who she says she is and no one (including Jodi) knows how to appropriately reslove conflict. There is no "innocent victim" here. It takes 2 to have a disagreement and everyone is behaving badly. I'm sorry but I don't think this makes Jodi "brave" and if u can't see bitterness and spite in this then u are wearing the blinders as well. Did Jodi deserve to be treated badly on TV? Absolutely not. Should Kate have allowed her to continue on the show? Maybe (we don't have Kate's side). For Jodi to make a public specticle of the conflict is equally tactless. Sorry. Even Lindsey Lohan, who allegedly had a terrible father, never went on the web to constantly bash him (no matter the controversy). How can u argut that taking this public is not just as detestable as "gumgate" if not, worse. Some people take conditional morals stances, apparantly. it all depends on who the person is, right?"
Sorry for the repost, I generally SIGN my posts, unlike the rest of the "brave souls" from GWoP.
I didn't know Jodi's sister had anything to do with the site you mentioned. Doesn't she have her very own site?
Julie was vetted by GWoP. They introduced her blog to the 'world', noting that they had met her face to face. Julie is a regular poster at GWoP as 'The Truth will set you free'. You will find lots of her responses in their Question and Answer thread. She is often called on to verify info. Whether she intends it or not, many see her as lending credibility to all of GWoP, including the more extreme viewpoints. Especially since she has, as far as I can see, never objected to any tactics proposed on the site.
As someone who used to post on this site with a "name" I have chosen not to post as frequently and use Anonymous when I feel the need to reply.
I have felt that by using a name depending on your stance, there are some people who specifically look for something to criticize or attack your post. The site uses the word "question" but the feeling is quite the opposite.
Since the disclaimer on this board makes no bones about being "questioned", I feel able to post more freely, if you will, by using the anonymous feature.
"These are things Jon and Kate have said about their OWN children."
That is a variation of the same argument made about why it is justified to drive past their house and take pictures.
"Jon & Kate have surrendered their childrens privacy."
In the very least, it seems like a "lets pile on some more." Realistically, it amounts to a "they asked for it" mentality. It just doesn't fly with me.
I question the motives of GwoP. This isn't news to anyone who has read my posts.
GwoP questions the motives of the Gosselins. I question the motives of GwoP. They don't have a corner on the market of skepticism. Neither do I.
There are kids in the neighborhood where we live whose parents yell and scream at them constantly.
I suppose that I could follow your logic and justify yelling at them myself by saying that their parents do the same thing.
If you feel the need Linda.
Do they do it in your presence - in your driveway? I suppose if they choose to make spectacles of themselves and you are able to view them doing so - they are fair game.
The point I am trying to make is - you have the option of doing so. Not that it's right or wrong.
I get why people claim to be uncomfortable with posting on some fan sites if they are anti-Gosselin. I've seen them called nasty names and truly inappropriate thigns said. I've seen people on both sides of the debate be "attacked" for their view.
But posterformerlyknownasx, I think you are confused I have felt that by using a name depending on your stance, there are some people who specifically look for something to criticize or attack your post There is a difference between finding holes and pointing them out to you and being attacked. See, in general conversation, when 2 people have an opposing point of view, they may debate back and forth, questioning how the other came to their conclusions. This is the nature of disagreement. Seems to me that some of you claim to be attacked, when, really, you just lost the debate.
"I was hoping to respond to XXXX's post regarding "what you continue to watch...if", because I thought the points she brought up were well-thought out and worth a discussion, but I guess I would considered off-topic, or irrational, or whatever name you want to call me."
I received complimentary comments and anytime someone addressed me I answered their questions. I got accused of playing dumb and being a member of some secret society. This situation is not even on same level as Julie and I felt the need "redeem" myself - and I did with proof that I did not belong to the "secret board". I should not have had to do that.
I can't debate points where the response is "I don't care about that" "that doesn't bother me".
I stopped posting for a while and now I just lurk.
I stopped reading GWoP when I read them making comments about Joel's future sexual orientation. That is as inappropriate and off-topic of their "mission" as it gets.
Nomoredrama, I post as anonymous cause I can't be bothered to set up an identity (besides, I'm quite sure that no more drama is your name in real life). When I say Mady clearly needs help, you seem to be lumping me in as a GWOPer (I've spent a total of 10 minutes on that sight and have never posted). I never spoke about the times Mady has been disciplined or whether it was unfair. In fact because I no longer watch the show I've never seen those episodes - maybe her parents are getting better at doing so - I don't know.
You say that it is my opinion that Mady needs some counselling but don't seem to say anything to defend her discussion about stabbing her brothers and sisters. I just don't know how that is not a clear cry for help. I take that threat very seriously given how much she kicks and hits her siblings to begin with. I'm not trying to diagnose her, just say that she needs to talk to someone (honestly I think the simple solution would be for her parents to pay some attention to her and talk with her themselves, but doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon).
In the "My Motives" post on Julie's blog she does say Jodi was questioning the people involved with the show about some things going on involving the children, so it could be that this was about more than Jodi not getting paid.
Just thought I would post this since some were wondering why Jodi had never had a problem with the show until the question of getting paid came up.
From Julie's blog:
"Although the refusal to allow Jodi to be compensated is ridiculous, the real reason members of the family are upset is the fact that Jodi is being replaced as the caregiver. Jodi was a voice for the children. She actually approached those involved with filming/producing and questioned them about things she was concerned about involving the children."
Good for Jodi. Julie was obviously hurt for her sister who she loves and stands behind, unlike J&K with their families. Jodi said it best when she said sometimes it's easier to keep quiet but that only leads to more speculation (paraphrased). So for her to come out was the appropriate thing to do.
Honestly, the video has only made me question Jodi's ethics more, and wonder about the blog entry here from a few days ago titled "The Truth Breeds Hatred". Posters here are often accused of "worshipping" J&K (I've seen no evidence of it, and plenty of evidence that almost all of us recognize their faults). I think it's undeniable that GWoPpers worship Jodi - I have NEVER seen an anti-Gosselin poster say one bad word about her. Yet, you have to wonder...putting all the pieces together, with Bitter Julie's frequent GWoP posts making it clear that Jodi has been ripping J&K to her for a while now - what kind of person is Jodi, really? She shows a very sweet facade, but it seems like maybe underneath it all, she has some anger and judgment.
I do start to wonder - if Kate has always been so, so awful, then what exactly have Jodi's motives been for participating in the show? Her videotaped effort to "set the record straight" has made me see her in a different light. I happened to be rewatching the "Alexis at the Reptile Zoo" ep yesterday morning (it's my favorite!), and in the part where J&K are talking about Alexis' loud meltdowns, there is a shot of her with one of Jodi's daughters in the background, dressed only in underwear. Where is the outrage from the Jodi-worshippers there? What about pedophiles? How can Jodi exploit her own daughter that way? The horror!
Maybe, just maybe, Kate and Jodi are two flawed in-laws caught in a feud at the moment. Maybe neither of them is entirely right. Can the GWoPpers even wrap their minds around such a concept? Even if Kate has other motives for not coming forward with "her side of the story", I still think her silence makes her look better in this instance.
In the Gosselin world, a lie is not a lie, an omission is not a lie, a variation of the truth is not a lie. It is an untruth.
I don't understand your point. I remember back when the Gosselins posted their statement and included the word "untruth", GWoP posters jumped all over the word as proof the Gosselins were lying (paraphrasing: "Kate couldn't say Julie was lying, because she wasn't - that's why she used the word 'untruth'").
I would have pointed out that the two words MEAN THE EXACT SAME THING, but I saved my typing fingers the trouble, knowing my comment would never be posted.
I think maybe GWoPpers need to invest in dictionaries...
Just think about how you write your posts. Would you speak the same way if the person were sitting next to you??? I think alot of you wouldn't dare.
I think you should remember to alwayd post respectfully.
Thanks for the (unsolicited) advice. I'm sure you always follow your own advice while posting about J&K on GWoP.
8 kids bing filmed in various stages of dress
Nine, actually. Don't forget - as I mentioned a few posts above, St. Jodi let her daughter be filmed undressed. But it's okay, since she's St. Jodi. I'm sure it's all that bitch Kate's fault, somehow.
How would anyone, "defend" any of their own private messages, e-mails, etc.? Would you be prepared to have your private thoughts, comments, jokes, things said in jest, etc to be published?
So, say what you want to say (e.g. calling a four-year-old "Fatty Arbuckle"), as long as you don't get caught? Charming.
I prefer J&K for at least letting it all hang out there.
"The point I am trying to make is - you have the option of doing so. Not that it's right or wrong."
The point I am trying to make anonymous is that if I yelled at the kids in our neighborhood and justified my actions by saying ... "that is what their parents do" then I would be no different from their parents.
The people who justify the name calling on GwoP because the parents do it are no better than the very people (J&K) who they criticize.
I know I have a choice. I choose not to demean those kids. I choose also to call out people who do it even those who claim to be doing it "for the kids."
I've had problems with controlling in-laws. It's no picnic. It is even worse when people take those problems outside of the family to perfect strangers.
Perhaps the only smart one in this bunch was Bob Carsen who consistently said, "Thanks, but no thanks" to the cameras in his face and his home.
And for that matter, maybe Beth is smarter too. There was an apparent conflict and she didn't get a blog or do a video cam interview or align herself with strangers to malign the parents of the children she dearly loves.
Jon and Kate criticize their children and make fun of them all the time. Who is to blame when others feel that they can do the same?
Um, the person indulging in the behavior?
Congratulations, though on your justifications, now Kate is not only responsible for her own behavior, Jon's behavior, Bitter Julie's behavior, St. Jodi's behavior, the Gosselin childrens' behavior, and the plight of crab fishermen (see the GWoP thread at Princess Marie Chantal if you want to know what I'm talking about), but she is responsible for the vicious bitchiness of the GWoP posters. Way to shift the blame, there.
Amen. And since you seem to have a bit of sarcastic tone, maybe I should go on some more about it?
Like the second secret message board attached to GWoP made especially for Jodi and Julie called "Aunt Jodi's Playhouse?" Created because you really didn't want Julie and Jodi on the original secret message board called "Reality TV Unlocked" because she would see the gossip the GWoPPERS were saying about her behind her back and that letting her on the first message board may not be comfortable for all the members and cause them to hold back and be less candid? So, "Aunt Jodi's Playhouse" was created so that the invited GWoPPERS on the private board could speak directly to Julie and Jodi and ask questions and dig up dirt?
"Reality TV Unlocked," a private board, is where GWoP was born. All the originators of GWoP post there, things are hashed over and discussed there before they ever appear on GWoP, usually with comments like "Let's see the Sheeple try to ignore THIS." Then it appears publicly on GWoP. Not all GWoP participants are members of that board. They have to be invited. Believe me, it's a vipers nest. It's where private information that a certain unstable poster digs up on family members not involved on the show, like names, addresses, spouses, occupations and incomes originate. It's where the plot to feed information to the National Enquirer was born. It's where a tup is referred to as "Fatty Arbuckle" and where posters said that they wished Jon would back over Kate with the mini van, or have an affair with his fitness instructor. Yeah, wishing for a parent to die or Daddy to screw around on Mommy is really "advocating for the children."
That explains a few things. When I first started this blog, I was getting a lot of traffic from Reality TV Unlocked. Normally when you click on the link on the sitemeter it will take you to the website and you can see what people clicked on to get to your site. When I clicked on this link it would tell me I had to sign on. When I tried to sign up it said they were not accepting any new applications at this time. Today, someone sent me this link again. I did not post it because again I could not access it and felt why would I pass that on. However, I did see the picture of the horses on the top of the page with the one horse with the wig on. The same picture that was on GWoP site. I guess they must have been talking about me or this site and someone wanted me to know.
I know it seems like a strange connection, but the whole "J+K are ripping off innocent church goers...." puts me in mind of the people who tried to sue McDonald's because they were fat.
What happened to personal accountability? I guess none of these people have watched the show? Are we to believe that they all live in a hole and are only let out on Sundays? I just don't buy it. As for the ones who truly don't know them, do your research before giving money to any cause. Half the time what I read on gwop looks more like advocation for ignorant church goers than it does for the kids.
Exactly. I said that a couple of days ago when we were discussing the "Love Offerings." I usually do a little research before I give money or see someone speak. I think these people can make up their own minds.
Ninabell, you can best believe that this board has its very own thread on Reality TV Unlocked. That's how I found out about your blog and I haven't been back to the viper's nest since. I found this place much more to my liking.
It's amazing that ever since this blog took off, the Reality TV Unlocked/GWoPPERs have been bombarding this site, crashing your voting booth as if that's going to have an effect everyone's opinion, and in the past 24 hours, a record setting amount of them have posted here. Overall, they seem disappointed that Aunt Jodi's "confessional" didn't have the desired effect. Oh well, maybe they should just chalk us up as hopeless causes.
At least we now know a small fraction of the bullspit that the Gosselin's go through thanks to GWoP and RTVU and why boards like TWoP gave up and closed their J&K threads for good.
Finn, I actually apologize. Seriously (no sarcasm). I was wrongly assuming that you were someone else. Yes, as people often point out, we all know what happens when assumptions are made....so seriously, I apologize (but for the record, I wasn't one of those people calling you a liar).
It is not that I ever doubted what you were saying in the past, but I didn't really have the connection with any of this since I didn't even know what TWoP was. I had never been on any of the message boards before I came across GWoP or any other blogs regarding Jon and Kate. But I have a whole different perspective now. My eyes are wide open now. Motivation for what is driving the owners/moderators at GWoP is very clear. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Your information along with some e-mails that were shared with me from a moderator at GWoP assures me that the Gosselin children are no where in their scope of what is important here. There mission is to bring down Jon and Kate at any cost. And their behavior only breeds and encourages people such as Manda who continue to harass this site as well as anyone that is favorably connected to the Gosselins.
Linda, Now I understand Manda's comment regarding you. They are discussing you on this private board. I can't remember her exact words? But it is on this blog so I could look it up. But doesn't it make you wonder who else they are talking about from their own board?
Ya know, maybe someone should funnell the GWoP and secret message board info the The National Enquirer... I bet they would run a story on a bunch of random people trying to taken down the Gosselins. Maybe someone could forward them some of the nasty posts that are one those sites.
I think they need to be exposed for what they are, just like they have tried to do to the Gosselins!
I'm not even a Kate fan and I can't believe that people would stoop so low. DISGUSTING.
Anonymous said... Thanks Nina and Fgf for your posts regarding the secret message board. I was on the fence about it before but now I'm convinced that it's true.
Well, you can see that the horse has the same hair-do as the one that was posted on GWoP. No way to deny that it's a J&K message board.
Nomoredrama, I post as anonymous cause I can't be bothered to set up an identity (besides, I'm quite sure that no more drama is your name in real life).
You "can't be bothered" to set up an identity but you can be bothered to post....And I obviously don't think you should post your REAL name here or anywhere on the internet. It's just nice when there is a s/n attached. And maybe you are the exception but so many of the people who are posting anonymously are regular posters on GWoP and do, in fact, already have an identity set up.
When I say Mady clearly needs help, you seem to be lumping me in as a GWOPer (I've spent a total of 10 minutes on that sight and have never posted). And I'll apologize to you too for assuming you are from GWoP....But my post was really an address to the GWoPer's in general and I used your comments as a catalyst for discussion.
You say that it is my opinion that Mady needs some counselling but don't seem to say anything to defend her discussion about stabbing her brothers and sisters. I can't comment on this because I haven't seen this particular episode. I honestly have never heard her say that. I would need to see the her actually say it, observe the tone of voice she used and understand the context around the situation.
That being said, I'm not against having these kids talk to someone to "check in." I've said that on here before. But you don't know that this is not going on. It's not something that would or could be shown on TV. Not everything that happens in the Gosselin's lives is show on TV.
329 comments:
1 – 200 of 329 Newer› Newest»I'm thinking Jodi was under a lot of pressure to do make that video. She seemed very uncomfortable.
Julie will sleep well tonight. That much I am sure.
Well, now I've lost a lot of respect for Jodi. It's sad to know that she's supportive of the public airing of dirty laundry and nastiness.
Maybe I'm just a "tougher" person, but I just don't get the tears and pain. It's taken a month of time for "healing" from this situation? I don't know. Too much melodrama and it seems to come from all sides. I'm sure Jon and Kate are no saints, but the way Jodi and Julie have handled this isn't something I can respect at all.
It is what it is. People on this blog will put her down in one way or another. On the "other" blog, they will praise her. That is the way it will always be.
I personally felt bad for her as her voice was shaking, she obviously is going through a difficult time. She was obviously nervous but not because she was "under pressure", how ridiculous. She is a grown woman and she can do what she wants.
Actually Anon 3:28,
People will do both over here because they have that option.
I have no insider knowledge nor do I know any of these people personally. I always loved Aunt Jodi on the Gosselin show and miss seeing her interact with the tups. I have no reason not to believe what she says and I found her video believable and sad. I hope their family can heal from all of this. Kevin will always be Kate's brother and they will find life isn't the same without each other in it.
I think it is completely tasteless to handle the situation that way! Of course she is getting encouraging emails...GWoP is buttering her up to get more informaton, they don't really care about her. They care about hurting Jon and Kate. Jodi making that video proves to me why she is no longer in their lives. Any family member that would blast another family member like for the world to see has no class!I wouldn't want Jodi in my life either.
Aunt Jodi,
Now that you have had time to heal, speak for yourself from now on.
I feel very sorry for this family also. I talking about everyone involved. This kind of dynamics happen in many families but it is not broadcast on the internet. I am sure that this makes it so much more difficult to resolve.
I'm very sorry to hear confirmation that there are some ugly things happening within this family. It does make me feel a little disappointed in Jodi, simply because I believe she handled this very poorly. I do sympathize with her loss, as it is clear she loves her nieces and nephews.
Notice that J&K are not saying anything about this in public? Because that's what you do! You work on family issues privately-not on the internet for anyone to see. It's pathetic and sad that the sister and now Jodi are doing this.To what end? What do they want? Money? This is a family disagreement/argument. If the Gosselins just want to get on with their lives and do what they do it seems to me they are taking the high road here as opposed to J & J. As for that other site GWoP. What a bunch. At least one of them is all over the internet opening and closing blogs, fighting with people on message boards ( I mean FIGHTING complete with threats to go to their work place, find their home addresses, etc.) as well as publishing a feud within her own family and causing incredible upset for them. It is truly a puzzle that a hate site could generate so much interest. It makes me sad to know that people are whipped into a complete frenzy over things they either invent or blow up to make it look and sound much larger than it is. GWoP is a hate site. Clear and simple. Not posting the comments that make SENSE and shows them to be exactly that is very telling. I'm not that into the Gosselins to be obsessed with them but I do enjoy the show and think the kids are cute. Who am I to judge the parents? I don't have 8 kids. I do have twin sons though and there are many moments I regret, especially when I was so incredibly tired that I lost my patience. What parent doesn't? The rest of us aren't being recorded. Do you really believe that the Gosselins mistreat their kids and are out to harm them AND allow it to be recorded? Does this make sense? I'm happy to see this blog. It reaffirms my faith in people-especially women. So Kate's not perfect. Neither are any of us.
I think feeding the flames on the internet, which is exactly what Jodi and Julie are doing, is beyond poor taste. Associating with a blog like GWOP, where posters gleefully speculate on whether or not your four year old nieces and nephews are abused and hope bad things befall their parents does not suggest that Jodi and Julie are doing this to help those children. It does not make Jodi look like a loving aunt who has been pushed out of the family due to Kate's greed and desire for the spotlight. I think Julie's blog ultimately reflects more on Julie and now Jodi than it does Jon and Kate. Julie and Jodi are airing this family's dirty laundry and nobody comes out looking good.
Message for Kate - "Be careful who you step on, on your way up - these are the same people you will pass on the way down."
Message for anon 5:09 pm
I doubt very much that Kate reads this blog. Oh, I get it - that was really intended for those of us that do.
Let's face it. Kate and Jon both have a history of ditching their family. It's very sad that these kids can't lead a more normal life and have the love of aunt's, uncles, and GRANDPARENTS. So many people coming in and out of their lives...now Aunt Jodi & Uncle Kevin.
They have definitely let money rule their lives. They need a reality check...BIG TIME
I think its telling that she said that Julies blog is true but she didnt once address GWOP and Julies participation there. Why didnt she address the stalking, name calling of the kids, etc...that occurs at GWOP? Is she unaware of all that her sister is up to, if so why not a thumbs up for that? Jodi proved again that the kids mean nothing to her, thats all I got from the video.
Jump 20 years into the future. The 4 out of the 8 kids don't want anything to do with their parents (learnt process)? But by then, it will be too late to undo all the damage that has been done.
They have changed so much...the tummy tuck, hair weaves (which look horrible), teeth whitening...Oh, and let's not forget all the FREEBIES.
Aunt Jodi was FAMILY. Kate totally disgusted me when she flipped out about the gum...throwing that bear away and that sweet little boy crying. I would be mortified.
Loved the new show allowing them to "get dirty" FARCE...You could see her shaking in her shoes while they were having fun.
I don't get it either. I guess now Jodi is sorta speaking for herself, I'll give her that, but for what? What could she possible stand to gain?
It's been said here before, and I agree, that Jodi could have given her side without getting involved with that hate site. I really cannot understand how she can claim to love the kids and support julie's involvement with gwop.
Maybe they are trying to get the show off the air because they figure if they won't be on, j+k won't either. Whatever the case, you do not spill family drama on the internet.
Anna said: Any family member that would blast another family member like for the world to see has no class!I wouldn't want Jodi in my life either."
Explain to me how exactly how Jodi blasted a family member? It seems that you have blinders on, you only hear and see what you want to believe. Geez, she came out to say that what her sister wrote on her blog was true because so many people refused to believe it was her. That's ALL she did!
Fannie...why? They live their lives on TV. Aunt Jodi had every right to express her hurt. Kate doesn't have a problem expressing herself...like the person said above. She freaked out about the gum issue, and acted like a complete idiot. Aunt Jodi has taken more abuse from that woman than anyone should.
Aunt Jodi loves those kids and helped Jon & Kate out ten times over. This is the thanks they get?
Someone metioned about STALKING? What's that about?
Personally I think Jon and Kate are being quiet because there is nothing good for themselves that they can say. I firmly believe that if there was a way to spin this positively for themselves that they would have. That's the kind of people that they portray on TV IMO. YMMV and obviously does with many here.
Jodi isn't airing any dirty laundry. Julie shared an apparently true version of events we partially saw on t.v. They are educating us that J&K aren't exactly who J&K want us to believe they are. And, when hard working and unknowing people are still donating to a family that is no longer in need, I think some truth needs to come out in the open.
I thought Jodi's response was sweet and sincere.
As far as GWOP, I read it even though I'm not a "hater." I don't like everything about J&K, but I've certainly had Kate moments and don't judge her for that. It is the deception to the public for their "need" and the pimping and isolation of their children I can't accept.
All of my comments on GWOP, and all have been published thus far, have been positive toward the family. I don't feel the need to add "yeah, me too!" to the points I referenced above, but I do try to call out some of the petty and outrageous comments.
"Kevin will always be Kate's brother and they will find life isn't the same without each other in it."
I think this is the saddest aspect of their family drama. Whatever has happened between these families, the relationship between brother and sister has been permanently altered. Their relationship will never be the same again, even if they find a way to make amends at some time in the future. It's sad for them, and it's sad for their children, who will be deprived of knowing each other perhaps for many years, or at least until they're old enough to reach out on their own.
"Explain to me how exactly how Jodi blasted a family member? It seems that you have blinders on, you only hear and see what you want to believe. Geez, she came out to say that what her sister wrote on her blog was true because so many people refused to believe it was her. That's ALL she did!"
Well lets see...she doesn't have the nerve to do the blasting herself, so maybe you got me on that one! However, she is just as much in the wrong for running her mouth about things that may or may not be true to her sister that runs a hate blog! You clearly are the one with blinders on little lady! You are believing anything you hear. We have not heard J&K speak about this because they are taking the high road. Although I do wish they would fire back just to shut Jodi and Julie up!
How can you say "that's all she did?" She is so full of it! She can't claim to love those sweet children ooh so much, but yet support what people are doing to their parents! People have been wanting to know why Kate has nothing to do with her family and now we know! Her family really is ignorant! If I had an issue with my sister-in-law then we would talk about it privately...not all over the internet! I also wouldn't allow my sister fight my battles for me. After all, I AM AN ADULT!
Anonymous said...
"Kevin will always be Kate's brother and they will find life isn't the same without each other in it."
We all know Kate is TYPE A and VERY EMOTIONAL and OUTSPOKEN...
Do you think Jon and Kate think before the act?
Let's see - on a national TV show Kate tried to portray Jodi as a an airhead and a ditz and gave it an oh poor Jodi air. Kate has trouble with 8 yet she tried to pooh pooh Jodie handling twelve kids with most of them sick. She didn't want Jodi to be paid for her time given to the show. Methinks Kate started it all.
Jodi is what she is...an airhead and a ditz! How many times have you overreacted about something except it wasn't shown on TV? I do not think she tried to portray Jodi as anything. I did not look that far into the situation when I saw the episode. Methinks Jodi is acting like a 4 year old!
Anonymous said...
Let's see - on a national TV show Kate tried to portray Jodi as a an airhead and a ditz and gave it an oh poor Jodi air. Kate has trouble with 8 yet she tried to pooh pooh Jodie handling twelve kids with most of them sick. She didn't want Jodi to be paid for her time given to the show. Methinks Kate started it all.
Me thinks you are 100% correct! I agree! Shame on you Kate...and shame on you Jon.
As "religious" as they are...they don't have any qualms about doing unto others...
Once these kids grow up they will start seeing what shrews their parents are.
DO YOU THINK THEY HAVE A CONCIOUS?
anna said...
Jodi is what she is...an airhead and a ditz! How many times have you overreacted about something except it wasn't shown on TV? I do not think she tried to portray Jodi as anything. I did not look that far into the situation when I saw the episode. Methinks Jodi is acting like a 4 year old!
OMG Anna...Me thinks you need to wake up! J&K didn't have an issue leaving all 8 kids with their ditzy, airhead sister-in-law...did they?
They are users! The only reason you don't look that far into the situation is because you don't want to see it!
Me thinks you need glasses!!!!
Okay, anon 5:50, from your statement I am gathering that you think this is revenge on kate for treating Jodi badly. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
She's getting that revenge by supporting a blog full of hypocrites who don't give a damn about those kids. Jodi giving her side is not the problem. She and Julie are imo fueling a dangerous fire with their involvement with gwop.
And yes, Kate acted like an ass over the gum thing, but Kate acts like that all the time. This isn't news. My question is, why if Jodi was being treated so badly all this time did she come forward(through her sister) only when it was a question of money?
The people on gwop are harrassing Kate's family and saying hateful things about her and her kids. How can someone who loves those kids support that?
Anna said:
"You clearly are the one with blinders on little lady!"
Uh, excuse me how do you know that I am a woman? You should never assume, you know the old saying which is sort of ironic but I won't get into it with you.
Let's see, you say Julie and Jodi should just "shut up" and then you call their families "ignorant", call Jodi an airhead and a ditz. Who is acting like a 4 year old?
I doubt money was the issue for Jodi. As it was explained TLC approached her regarding payment. And why not? She spent a LOT of time watching those kids so they could produce the "special day" episodes. Also, a hole was made in Jodi and Kevin's wall during one of they days she was watching the 'tups. Seems a bit more of a transgression than a little gum on a sock!
So, J&K didn't want to pay Jodi, but now they've hired Jenny. At a recent appearance Jon admitted she was hired for 30 hrs. a week. Why refuse to pay family but then pay a stranger in her place.
However, as I said I don't think it was about the money for Jodi. She really cared about the kids and her kids had a relationship with them. J&K not only severed their "business" relationship with Jodi and her family, they severed all ties. Over payment. That seems petty and spiteful.
I felt that Jodi spoke from her heart and her heart was breaking. I feel Jodi really loves the Gosselin children and that Jon & Kate have asked a lot of her and Kevin. When I think about it all we were ever shown was Kevin or Jodi or both helping Jon & Kate. We never saw J & K doing anything for them or their kids. Maybe there didn't have to be an entire episode but there should have been a mention or a short segment at least.
This video of Jodi is really making me start to rethink my feelings and J & K. I sluffed it off before but now... Is anyone else confused?
oh bring it on crazy GWoP folks...you just can't stand the fact that i will not buy into the hype! i do not care if all the crap julie and jodi say is true. it really doesn't make a difference to me. i don't have blinders on, i just don't care that much. i just want jodi and julie to admit that it isn't all about the kids. it's all about them getting back at kate for whatever reason. now people over at GWoP are encouraging Julie and Jodi to get their own reality show??? that doesn't make sense to me considering they are accusing jon and kate of exploiting their children by having a television show. how is it not exploitation if jodi does it, but not if J&K do it? six one way, half a dozen another!
I see there are a lot of you gwoppers here. Guess you thought this Jodi crap would be the nail in Kate's coffin, huh?
Give us a little credit. We know Kate isn't the nicest person in the world. There are some rumors that I wouldn't doubt to be true. I'm don't doubt what Jodi is saying. Not. The. Point.
Why isn't she taking this up with Kate? I mean, for someone who loves those kids so much she sure is doing everything she can to ensure that she'll not see them again. I might feel sorry for Jodi had it not been for Julie's blog. I could believe that Kate wasn't so nice to her just based on what I see on tv. I don't need her sister to tell me that. Seems to me that they are EXACTLY what they accuse Kate of being, attention whores.
No good can come of this. Why is it that when Kate treats Jodi like crap on tv, it's "shame on Kate", but when Jodi does it on the internet it's "way to go, Jodi"? Are they not both expected to act like adults?
I think they have both handled this badly and I can't blame either one for being pissed at the other. I think they are even.
I think they are all at fault. I do think Kate and Jon would sometimes have an "oh dear, bless her airhead heart" attitude towards Jodi that was unnecessary and probably hurtful to Jodi when she watched it, and of course Kate gets the last word on the situations that happen during their couch time, or whatever it's called, so she can frame it anyway she wants. I also think Kate had no business having a say on whether TLC paid Jodi or not, it should have been TLC's call, not Kate's.
Jodi and Kevin are at fault for thinking it was a good idea to put their grievances toward Jon and Kate out on the internet for all to see. I think she would show more class to not say anything and not approve of her sister gossiping and telling all.
Anyone who watched the show could clearly see that Kate is a control freak. Aunt Jodi is so soft spoken and always willing to help.
Ruffie, the video just solidified my feelings about J&K.
I'm with you!
Wow!
I've got a million thoughts going through my head right now.
On the one hand, I can't help but feel sorry for Aunt Jodi. Clearly she is hurting and under stress.
Julie is a different story. I don't feel sorry for her. She inserted herself in this mess. Sure, she loves her sister. Sure, she wants to stand by her. But I still wonder why she had to go public with all of this.
Kate is clearly a controlling, anxious, self-professed germaphobic woman. She isn't the kind of mother that I aspire to be, but that doesn't mean that she is an abusive mother.
Aunt Jodi has problems with her in-laws? Join the club! Get in line.
Taking this to the internet or the National Enquirer is not the way to solve family problems. It amounts to fighting the fire of TLC/Figure8/J&K8 with the fire of the internet/blogs/discussion boards. Now, everyone is going to get burned.
And as far as healing goes ... time will pass and TLC will have another family and the lovelies over at GwoP will have their next family they hunt down.
Sadly, in a few years ... people will forget this mess and where will this family be ... still needing help and healing.
Fanny said...
Why isn't she taking this up with Kate? I mean, for someone who loves those kids so much she sure is doing everything she can to ensure that she'll not see them again.
HELLLLLLOOOOOOO
"oh bring it on crazy GWoP folks...you just can't stand the fact that i will not buy into the hype! i do not care if all the crap julie and jodi say is true. it really doesn't make a difference to me. i don't have blinders on, i just don't care that much. i just want jodi and julie to admit that it isn't all about the kids."
Anna, I care a lot about the Gosselin children. I watched the show from the beginning and liked seeing them grow and change. If Jon and Kate are mis-treating the children I would be sad and angry because those children are God's and belong to Him. Just like we do.
Do you really not care about how the Gosselin children are treated or did you just speak out of anger without thinking?
If you're gonna dig at my comment, at least give me a sentence:-)
It sounds to me like she and Kate already had it out a while back and the relationship ended. Jodi is probably hurt and mad and unfortunately isn't thinking about how this will hurt the kids. Like I said, I don't think what she is doing is right, but she's probably done with Kate anyway.
I also hope that one of the lessons that Jodi learns is the danger of being pushed around by family members.
First, she was pushed around by J&K. That was captured for all the world to see on the TLC show.
Second, she was pushed around by her sister and the lovelies from GwoP. That was captured for the world to see on a webcam.
What a mess.
SCP, I dunno. Kate and Jodi may not be pals right now, but what about Kevin? He and Kate are siblings and I'm not sure that whatever tension there was between them would have lasted forever. I just feel like not just this newest video, but what Julie has said in her blog will make it a lot harder to forgive and forget.
I'm not saying what Kate did was right, but what Jodi is doing is ten times worse, imo. I'm not even talking about the blog, it's her involvement with crazy people that bothers me.
Jodi and Julie clearly aren't thinking about what is best for the Gosselin children. GWOP has people driving by the Gosselin home and encouraging people to harrass the Gosselins at their speaking engagements. How are these things in the best interest of the kids? I have no doubt that Kate didn't want Jodi to be payed for being on the show. So what? Julie and Jodi have made themselves appear like massive attention whores with this blog. Kate has her tv show, and Julie and Jodi have their internet sycophants. And they obviously don't care about who gets hurt, otherwise they would disavow GWOP and the stalker behavior that is encouraged there. It seems that as long as GWOP sucks up to Jodi through Julie, they don't care what vile things are said about the Gosselins on GWOP. And it isn't as if only Jon and Kate are criticized on GWOP, its the innocent children that Jodi and Julie claim to care about. There are posters at GWOP who have insinuated horrible things about the entire Gosselin family and as long as Julie and Jodi associate with and encourage GWOP, they are guilty by association.
"Do you really not care about how the Gosselin children are treated or did you just speak out of anger without thinking?"
I never said that I didn't care about the children. I said that I want Julie and Jodi to admit that it isn't all about the kids. People keep saying they are stirring up all this mess for the best interest of the children, but that can not be true. They are just looking for a reason to get back at Kate and are using the fact that Julie can't see the kids anymore as an excuse. They just want people to feel sorry for them and I'm not buying it. I know for a fact that my aunt would never never do what Jodi is doing. She wonders why Kate doesn't want her around her kids anymore? I liked Aunt Jodi at first, but all of this has made me dislike her. I think grown women should act like GROWN WOMEN, not kids!
Yes, you're right Fanny. It makes me wonder how Kevin feels about all of this. I wonder if he asked Jodi and her sister not to make all of this public but they did it anyway, or if he is fully behind what Jodi is doing. I really feel sorry for Jodi and J&K's kids, it's really too bad.
If Kate wouldn't let Jodi see the children before, she certainly won't let her see them now. And now I wouldn't blame Kate for it one bit.
To clarify, I meant I feel sorry for Jodi's kids and J&K's kids.
"I think Julie's blog ultimately reflects more on Julie and now Jodi than it does Jon and Kate. Julie and Jodi are airing this family's dirty laundry..."
Yep, exactly! No class...whatsoever. Clearly, it WAS about the $$$ or she would not have made this video which in NO way can help repair the relationship between any of the parties involved.
Linda said..."First, she was pushed around by J&K. That was captured for all the world to see on the TLC show.
Second, she was pushed around by her sister and the lovelies from GwoP. That was captured for the world to see on a webcam."
Linda calls it here. I am not going to make any sweeping statements because I don't know any of the people involved, but I think it is pretty clear that Kate has a strong personality and I would bet a $100 bill that "Bitter Julie" has been called "strong", "opinionated" and "difficult" in her day too. What a huge surprise that Julie & Kate probably don't like each other and Jodi is caught in the middle. A part of me does feel sorry for Jodi, but she has made some poor decisions in all this and she will have to live with those.
A couple of last thoughts. When the whole story came out about Kate supposedly not wanting Jodi to paid by TLC, I was a bit torn. A part of me was a little disappointed in Kate's behavior. To this day, I don't think any of us know the the whole *truth* because it is not a cut and dried matter. A part of it is subjective becuase feelings and emotions are involved and each party has no doubt convinced themself that they acted in the right. I do think that in a way Kate's decision (if, in fact, it was her decision which I still don't accept as "fact") has been validated to a degree. Look what happens when family, loyalty and the almighty dollar mix - nothing good. And then add the likes of "Bitter Julie" and circumstances go from 'not great' to 'disaster'.
Time is great healer of wounds. Emotions are clearly very raw now, but I do hope that both couples can move on from this at some point in the future.
What are you going to believe when Beth comes out with her story?
"And yes, Kate acted like an ass over the gum thing, but Kate acts like that all the time. This isn't news. My question is, why if Jodi was being treated so badly all this time did she come forward(through her sister) only when it was a question of money? "
It's way more than an issue of money, IMO. It's about Jodi making Kate look bad on national TV. Kate puts a sick, feverish Joel on the laundry room floor in the dark for the sin of vomiting on his comforter and inconveniecing her. Jodi is shown lovingly snuggling the same child when he is sick and feverish. Kate grates on the audeince, Jodi endears herself to same viewers.
The timing of Jodi coming forward now is because she has been cut out of the kids' lives and has not had contact with them since their birthdays. Before she, like many of the other helpers, accommodated Kate and Jon for fear of being cut out of the children's lives. Now it has happened.
I feel sorry for all the children, too. They are the big losers in all this. They will not see their cousins any more. The Gosselin kids have had one significant person after another ripped out of their lives because they no longer knew "how to help us." How sad is that?
Fanny said:
"I'm not saying what Kate did was right, but what Jodi is doing is ten times worse, imo. I'm not even talking about the blog, it's her involvement with crazy people that bothers me."
You're absolutely right, if Jodi was never involved with crazy people like Kate and Jon, they could have avoided this mess.
Well anon, if she doesn't get involved with gwop, I'll feel bad for her and go on thinking Kate desperately needs people skills.
Awww anon, that's cute, but I'm sure we all know which crazies I'm referring to:-) Tell your friends I said "Hi".
Anon says..."What are you going to believe when Beth comes out with her story?"
If and when this happens, I'll access the credibility of both sides (including *how* Beth chooses to tell her story) and decide then.
That said, NOTHING is going to convince me that Kate (and Jon too) are monsters or psychopaths or deserving of the hatred they have had heaped on them from total strangers.
Whether the things said on Julie's blog are true or not, I don't think this is something that should have been aired on a blog. It's immature. If you have an issue w/ someone you should deal directly w/ that person. If the person is unwilling to work it out, then you take the higher road and move on. Eventually maybe you can work things out. I don't see how that could be possible now. If I were Kate and I knew that what was said was true, I still would feel extremely betrayed. Especially since so many nasty things are being said about those kids on a site that Julie is helping to promote. Julie is Jodi's "speaker" so in turn Jodi is helping to promote it as well.
IMO the whole family is dysfunctional, and that includes J&K, Jodi and Kevin and Julie as well. This situation is being made worse by all of the public comments.
Wow...I don't even know what to say.
I think this is a sad situation. Really sad. The video showed me how much this family is hurting.
No one can deny that there are a lot of hurt feelings,a lot of wounded pride and a lot of anger on both sides. It's really sad to see this family fall apart. But the true losers in all of this are the 12 kids.
Despite all of the emotion, however, I still think there are a lot of unanswered questions and that this issue goes much deeper than gum. I'm sorry, but IMO money was at least partly at the root of this on both sides. IMO, there is also "family of origin" junk that is coming into play. This is a public display of 2 families at their worst.
I said before, I don't agree with Kate's decision not to pay Jodi. I think if it were my decision I would have decided differently. However, I think there was a difference of opinion. I'd be willing to bet that Kate thinks there is something wrong with paying family and that is why she hired an outsider. It was a slap in the face to Jodi and, hence, the bitterness ensued.
I guess my question would be... When did the relationship fall apart? When did Kate officially cut Jodi out of her life? On May 13th, Julie posted that Jodi was still involved in Kate's life on her blog where the nasty email is posted. It seems to me that the evidence is pointing to the Gosselin's kicking Jodi out of their lives due to the blog posts. Not for no reason whatsoever (as many have tried to purport)
My second question to both Kate and Jodi would be...why? This is nonsense...it's so petty. I think they're both acting like children in all of this. They are BOTH wrong for letting this go so far.
My hope for them is that they put all of the bitterness aside and work it out, if not for anything else, for the sake of their children.
My hope for them is that they put all of the bitterness aside and work it out, if not for anything else, for the sake of their children.
August 23, 2008 10:24 PM
I will be very surprised if they are able to work anything out, now that all of this has become so public. Jodi may have felt betrayed by how she was treated but now she's betrayed them back. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
I think Julie needs to quit posting on GWoP. IMO, it's causing more harm than good. Jodi has "spoken". Stop now before things are taken too far.
Hmmmm. I don't get it. What was that little drama supposed to prove? That Julie was who she said she was? That was never a question for me. I always believed that Julie was Jodi's sister. I had no problem with that. What I had a problem was is her conduct and all this did was prove that I was right. That smirking "hello" as she popped her head in the frame? Big deal, honey. It's not your identity that I question, it's your integrity. Spilling secrets about your sister's in-laws to perfect strangers on the Internet was the problem and obviously you're too enamored with your star status at GWoP to see how wrong your conduct is and how it endangers the safety of eight children.
Jodi? What were you thinking? If the quivering voice and tears are because you aren't seeing your nieces and nephews anymore, blame your sister, because if I were Jon and Kate, and my primary baby sitter had a sister who was spilling private family business for the World Wide Web to read, I'd cut her off, too. Your smirking sis is a security threat and is doing you no favors in that regard. Maybe you should have stopped her.
"Especially since so many nasty things are being said about those kids on a site that Julie is helping to promote."
That's a lie. Stop it.
This is going to be a PR nightmare for TLC and FIGURE 8 if the 'real' media get wind of this.
Jodi's video doesn't change my opinion of anything that much...except that it's confirmation that Jodi is not the living saint she's been purported to be.
I don't want to be all conspiracy-minded (I'll leave that to the GWoP folks), but the way the video was shot, it was almost like Bitter Julie was holding Jodi's fluffy baby kitten right off camera and threatening to break its neck if Jodi didn't repeat Julie's manifesto verbatim. I was disappointed that Jodi made vague references to "the truth" but didn't really specify what that entailed.
I can believe that both Kate and Jodi are flawed individuals who each have some blame in their estrangement. I can believe that they are both hurt. I don't believe that Jodi's video is some smoking gun that proves the "truth" for ever and always. All it proves is that Jodi backs up Julie. Which, unfortunately for me, is the one question I wasn't really sure of the answer to, and the answer does make me respect Jodi less.
What Julie has done is in my mind indisputably crass, tacky and damaging to the relationship between the Gosselins and Jodi and Kevin, and to have Jodi give her stamp of approval simply means that she has likely been part of it all along. I don't want to judge her too harshly, because it bugs me when people judge Kate too harshly, but when I think of all the gossipy little bits that Bitter Julie has dropped at GWoP, presumably fed to her by Jodi...I don't see how people can defend her or think that she s this wonderful person. I get that a lot of viewers idealized her as a mother figure in contrast to Kate, but her behavior has been undeniably damaging to the Gosselin children, which would seem to counteract any claims that she cares more about the Gosselin kids than Kate does.
Regardless of who cast the first stone, the kids are the ones who lose. Another set of relatives are no longer in their lives, and I think that's sad.
Good for Jodi. Julie was obviously hurt for her sister who she loves and stands behind, unlike J&K with their families. Jodi said it best when she said sometimes it's easier to keep quiet but that only leads to more speculation (paraphrased). So for her to come out was the appropriate thing to do. If J&K are the sham they seem to be, then the public deserves to know.
And someone said how J&K aren't speaking about this so that makes them better people??? WTH could they say except to throw themselves on the mercy of the court and come clean about how they treat family, friends, etc. Now THAT I would respect.
Is the whole family out of step except Kate?
I came here to read opinions on Jodi's video. I should have expected to see "regulars" STILL siding with Jon and Kate. I guess some people can't accept the truth even when it slaps them in the face. To those who are willing to see both sides, thanks for being fair. My only negative regarding Jodi is that I wish she'd spoken out sooner.
If y'all can call Julie names ("Bitter Julie"), is it ok for me to call Kate names? And how is Julie bitter? Please explain?
Dotsicle,
And I went to GWoP expecting to see one big love fest and I did so what is your point. Why would anyone feel that this video would change anyone's view on the key points? I re-read the Truth Breeds Hatred post below and all of the points are still valid. In the end, neither Jodi or Julie chose to speak out until money was involved. Enough said.
anonymous said...
"Especially since so many nasty things are being said about those kids on a site that Julie is helping to promote."
That's a lie. Stop it.
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Maybe a more accurate way to put it is that Julie regularly posts on a site where so many nasty things have been said about those kids.
And according to the same blog's promoters and moderators, Julie has personally met with them.
Okay. Julie is who she says she is. Julie was supporting her sister who she says was treated very badly on national television. Now Jodi "reveals" herself on the internet so that she can support Julie whose identity has been questioned.
So my next question is ...
What does Aunt Jodi think about the nastiness that has been posted about the children on the GwoP blog? Does Aunt Jodi support her sister's involvement with these people?
Linda,
I agree, people should never never say anything nasty about the kids, especially since they can't speak for themselves. I do think that folks have the right to comment on poor behavior, but other than that, nobody should be mean to or about the kids. I thought the kids were the REASON for the show. What nasty things are being said about them? I admit I don't read everything that is posted over at the other site.
Yeah Id love to know what Jodi thinks of Julie getting all cozy with the GWOP stalkers. How come she didnt say "hey I think its great that the GWOP crew drive by my nieces and nephews house, and I think its super duper that they call Hannah words like oafish and homely" The video didnt change anything, it just made Jodi look even worse. It was hysterical seeing Julie with the big grin and happy demeanor when her "poor sad" sister was on the verge of tears. How anyone can think Julie is even remotely a decent person makes me laugh.
I can't help but wonder what Jodie hoped to accomplish by going public with her issues. And I'm sick of hearing "We're doing it for the children." "We want the best for the kids." Because, whether it's the nutcases at GWOP or Julie, all of the attacking doesn't do a lick of good. Whatever nasty or rude emails Julie and Jodi have received, I can assure you Kate and Jon have gotten it 100 times worse. They're the faces of the show, they're more famous, so they would be taking the brunt of it.
But, as we saw on the viewer mail episode, they brush off that type of mail. They deal with it behind closed doors because it's no one's business. They aren't putting out "whoa is me" videos. And what if Cara or Mady, who aren't strangers to computers, happened to find a site like GWOP? Do the weirdos there think it would be informative and helpful to them to see the things they constantly say about their parents? Now, THAT would be abusive.
And what is the point of the hatred of sites like GWOP? They don't know the Gosselins. They don't know the friends or relatives. Oh, except for the creepy and scary head of GWOP who met with Julie. They have no stake in this. There's no cash prize if Jon and Kate are taken down. Oh, right. It's for the KIDS!!! Sure it is.
It's irrelevant if Kate and Jon are unlikable, mean people. It's their show. They were the ones approached to do it. They and their kids are the reason it's popular. So I have no problem with them behaving like dictators. It's an opportunity of a lifetime and they're milking it for all its worth. If a friend or family member has an issue, deal with it privately, like all families do. This whole Julie/Jodie thing screams of bitter people who wanted to get their hands in the cookie jar and had their hands smacked away. Now they're crying to their congregation of hate for support in hopes of ruining Jon and Kate's life somehow.
This is so pathetic, it just boggles the mind. It's a TV show! I watch to see the kids acting cute. Who cares what goes on when the cameras are off. It doesn't concern me. And to witness this crusade of harrassment and verbal abuse by GWOP is frightening. How can you take things so seriously.
The bottom line is, the video made Jodi look meek and pathetic and her vengeful and bitter sister is doing her no favors.
I too would like to know how Jodi feels about the GWoP site and all of the things that are written about the Gosselins and the kids. Does Jodi agree that some of them need evaluated by a psychologist, as has been suggested by more than 1 poster over there? Does Jodi agree that that tups are "delayed" in their speech and abilities?
Jodi said Julie's blog is true. What she didn't say was whether or not all of the stuff that Julie has posted on GWoP is true. Julie's blog is mostly in reference to "gumgate" and Jodi not being paid by TLC. All of the rest of the stuff she hasn't posted on her blog, just on GWoP...
And to ANON @ 11:37 who said it's a lie and told me to stop it.
This blog allows me to have MY OPINION. I don't know what is a lie or truth with this family anymore. So, no, I won't "stop it". As long as Julie and Jodi keep airing the families dirty laundry I will continue to have my opinion on the subject, whether they like it or not. If they don't like it, tough. They have chosen to go public and this is what happens when you do.
That video was very moving. Note that Jodi did NOT take an opportunity to slam or even refer to J&K specifically. Not once did she get specific. She is, far from being an airhead, a class act. I miss her on the show. She actually interacted with the kids when they were at her house. Someone said she was always an oasis on the show and I agree with that.
I think Jodi is placed between a rock and a hard place. J&K are open to everyone and can say whatever they want about whoever they want (if they so desire - they're smart not to).
I know when someone was lying about me and telling horrible untruths that it hurt me, and if I thought it would be productive I might have posted a video defending myself.
This might be how Jodi is feeling. Maybe she felt people thought SHE had abandoned the kids (and these aren't people that are just in her local area - this is nation wide) and she wanted to say that she didn't.
TV is a horrible thing when it comes to these type of reality shows (IMO).
I've actually stopped watching J&K because of the exploitation of the children, and refuse to watch any show where the kids are to young to make their own decisions about the matter.
I don't like J&K, I don't think their the worst parents in the world, but they are certainly not someone I would look up to. I can't wait for this show to be off the air, for the kids sake.
BTW I also don't want a Jodi and Julie show if that involves the children. If it's just them, whatever. If it's not - then I wouldn't watch them either.
I agree with Guinevere. I wouldn't say the video was any "smoking gun." The video only solidly proved that Jodi is in agreement with Julie's blog, Julie is who she says she is and no one (including Jodi) knows how to appropriately reslove conflict. There is no "innocent victim" here. It takes 2 to have a disagreement and everyone is behaving badly. I'm sorry but I don't think this makes Jodi "brave" and if u can't see bitterness and spite in this then u are wearing the blinders as well. Did Jodi deserve to be treated badly on TV? Absolutely not. Should Kate have allowed her to continue on the show? Maybe (we don't have Kate's side). For Jodi to make a public specticle of the conflict is equally tactless. Sorry. Even Lindsey Lohan, who allegedly had a terrible father, never went on the web to constantly bash him (no matter the controversy). How can u argut that taking this public is not just as detestable as "gumgate" if not, worse. Some people take conditional morals stances, apparantly. it all depends on who the person is, right?
"They were the ones approached to do it."
That's not true, Kate shopped their story around - TLC was the highest bidder.
For some of you, it appears, Julie and Jodi will always be wrong for "airing dirty laundry" but have no issue with the two that created it - Jon and Kate. If Jodi had come out extolling nothing but virtues for them, some of you would be singing a different tune.
And anonymous 9:29 you know this factually because?
"She is, far from being an airhead, a class act."
I'm sorry, but a "class act" would have her family and personal issues with them resolved quietly and between the members involved. The public should have nothing to do with it.
I don't know how people think Jon and Kate are taking the high road. They had previously posted on their own website that their family members are jealous of them (that's no different from what Jodi is doing). This is a woman that is just fed up with Jon and Kate being portrayed in such a positive light when they do such horrible things. And people that accuse Jodi of wanting money? Um, Jon and Kate know that every second their children are in front of the camera they are being permanently damaged more and more - but hey, they are making money so that is the most important thing right?
Also, look at it this way. Kevin was the ONLY family member Kate even spoke to. I understand she has several other brothers and sisters that are not in the picture. And of course both her parents and Jon's mother are out of the picture. Do you really thing that every single family member is in the wrong and J/K are in the right here? That's quite the 'us against the world' mentality. I can't believe that their entire families are horrible people and they are the good people. I mean all you do is have to watch the show to see what kind of person Kate is (though the J/K defenders will no doubt come back at me with, well of course she's a b*tch, she has eight kids). Great defense.
I feel bad for Kevin.
Julie has to realize the harm that she is causing to her sister's family.
How does she think this is going end?
No, I think Kate is who she is. She is controlling, anxious and a self-professed germaphobe.
The Jodi we saw on their show was a very nurturing, creative and giving person.
I've never "looked up" to Kate Gosselin. I've also never "looked up" to Aunt Jodi. My role models are from real life not from TLC or an internet webcam.
I still maintain that Julie and Jodi even tangentally aligning themselves with the likes of GwoP is a very poor, probably destructive choice in the life of each their families.
This is a train wreck.
This is nothing to be happy about or feel vindicated about. It is a complete train wreck.
Jenn said:
"And to ANON @ 11:37 who said it's a lie and told me to stop it.
This blog allows me to have MY OPINION. I don't know what is a lie or truth with this family anymore. So, no, I won't "stop it".
Jenn, you said that nasty things were said about the kids, that is an "untruth" not an opinion. Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to. Relax!
I have been reading the Jon and Kate blogs (both pro and con) for a while but have never posted until now. I am not a "hater" because I do not know them personally, but I do not worship them for the very same reason. I base my opinions on what they have shown me on tv. I have nothing to say about the way Jon and Kate parent or what they have done to improve their appearance. I have done and said many things to and in front of my children that I am not happy about. I do, however, believe that the children are being exploited. I do not feel the need to explain why--it has been stated by many posters before me. BTW, I have stopped watching the show. I do not want to "be a part of the problem". I, and the people who share my opinion, would like for the show to be cancelled and to have yearly updates. TLC, Figure 8, and the sponsors do not care about the situation. They only see dollars signs. The only way I see for the show to be cancelled is for someone from the inside to tell the viewers that the rumors are true. This is what Jodi has done. I think what Jodi did was very difficult. It was tough love--risking never seeing the children again in hopes that they will no longer be exploited. Just my two cents.
I, too, would like to know how much Jodi knows about GWoP. Does she realize that many people will assume she is saying everything on that site is true?
If the kids are indeed being terrorized by Kate, and abused, etc. WHY is Jodi not speaking out about that?Why would she allow them to film in her home if she thought it was detrimental for them to be on the show? Why would she not express her concerns to J&K and to Figure8? Or, you know, actual child welfare authorities.
And how would anyone express their concerns about Jodi's participation in Julie's blog and GWop?That is, if you don't run into her at the store.
You can't reply to the blog and can't get anything
critical through at GWop.
Anonymous 10:06 wrote:
Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to.
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Well, the kids may be off limits now but that has not always been the case.
As far as nasty comments about the parents, you and I differ as to how publicly calling the parents derogatory names actually HELPS the kids.
Linda,
That is exactly right. There were a lot of things going on over there that they have cleaned up. The people that have just started blogging in the last month or so don't realize that.
Anonymous said...
Jenn said:
"And to ANON @ 11:37 who said it's a lie and told me to stop it.
This blog allows me to have MY OPINION. I don't know what is a lie or truth with this family anymore. So, no, I won't "stop it".
Jenn, you said that nasty things were said about the kids, that is an "untruth" not an opinion. Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to. Relax!
I have seen many posts on gwop calling the kids names, saying they need mental health evals. Are you saying those things are okay to say about 7 and 4 year olds?
Guinevere said...
"I don't want to be all conspiracy-minded (I'll leave that to the GWoP folks), but the way the video was shot, it was almost like Bitter Julie was holding Jodi's fluffy baby kitten right off camera and threatening to break its neck if Jodi didn't repeat Julie's manifesto verbatim. I was disappointed that Jodi made vague references to "the truth" but didn't really specify what that entailed."
This sounds exactly like GWOP. Why are we reading into things like this? You make the situation sound like a terrorist video. We are also going too far.
lurkeyhere asked a great question ...
Why would she (Jodi) allow them to film in her home if she thought it was detrimental for them to be on the show?
And someone else asked another question ...
Why, if filming children is so exploitive and damaging, would the GwoPPERS support a show for Aunt Jodi doing crafts with kids?
"That's not true, Kate shopped their story around - TLC was the highest bidder."
This was one of the topics that Julie touched on - it was also revealed that if TLC decides to pull the plug, Kate already has someone waiting in the wings to take over. It has been adequately proven to me that what she has been posting is true. That and what I have seen of Kate - she has no intention of the gravy train to end.
Personal feelings aside, all the "evidence" is in the shows. I don't sit in front of the television listening for every word,but there have been moments where I've said to myself, "that's not what was said last week" or "that doesn't make sense".
I have read that part of the rift, between Kate and her parents, was they did not appreciate Kate's attitude when members of their congregation donated items - but were deemed not worthy enough by Kate because they did not "match".
I just recently watched the surviving twins and sextuptlets special for the first time. What did I see in the nursery? Six matching cribs. If you are truly in need, I would think you would graciously accept whatever is offered to you.
It is my opinion based on what I saw, that the story made sense.
Another thing about the cribs. In the episode where beds are purchased for the children, Jon states all the cribs have been sold at a yard sale along with the special table with the six seats.
That would be fine. Except in previous episodes, they both state that they "give back and pay it forward". They state they will donate their items to families of multiples who could use the items. Well, I guess that's one of their "untruths" - the family of multiples who could benefit from the items is themselves.
The people on gwop are harrassing Kate's family and saying hateful things about her and her kids. How can someone who loves those kids support that?
August 23, 2008 7:09 PM
When and where are posters at GWoP harassing the family and saying hurtful things about the kids? If you are refering to the parody's, that is exactly what they are. it doesn't take a half wit to figure that out.
Once again this site pounced on GWop to get there topic of the day. Whatever! My beef is the bitterness in you posters! It seems like there are alot of hostile people here.
I think Jodie's video was to give proof to the doubters, but imo, there is much more to be told. While it may not be the best way to handle a family porblem, Jon and Kate do not seem to be reasonable or reachable. I think the video is threatening to Jon and kate, and for reasons we may not know, necessary.
"Jenn, you said that nasty things were said about the kids, that is an "untruth" not an opinion. Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to."
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Sorry, just repeating the same talking point over and over doesn't make it accurate.
The kids are far from "off limits" as you state. Maybe certain comments don't make it through depending on who is moderating at a particular time, but I have seen numerous inappropriate comments made about the kids during my infrequent visits there. I am not going to repeat them all or subject myself to re-reading them (maybe *some* of them were removed after the fact), but they go along the lines of "Kid B is in desperate need of therapy", "Kid D is the favorite and is homely", "Kid C is a terror", etc. etc. In one recent episode re-cap Kid A was told to "shut up" by the writer. Charming.
We won't even go into how they talk about the parents of these children they profess to care about so much.
Sickening.
Anon 10:35 am
A lot of hostile people here???? Nobody pounced on GWoP to get the topic of the day. In fact, several of your faithful readers and bloggers e-mailed me and left comments to make sure that I saw it and posted it. Because if they hadn't I probably wouldn't have noticed it until much later yesterday. They couldn't wait to see the posters over here eat crow and when they don't see the reaction or response they had hoped for, they leave comments such as yours.
I feel sorry for Jodi. I feel more sorry for the all of the kids. Unfortunately, when you have a dispute with in-laws, there is no court of appeal. By going to the internet to try a manufacture a court of appeal, it only makes a bigger mess of everything.
I believe that Jodi loves the Gosselin kids, but at this point, she's displaying hurt feelings that are all about herself. There's no good that could come to the Gosselin kids through that video. Julie feels vindicated, great. Jodi gets sympathy from strangers on the internet, okay. But the kids get nothing from that, just their aunt indicting their parents to people on the internet who already bear ill will towards their parents. Kate's a bitch, so what? There's lots of them out there. Their parents are their parents, that's who they are tied to for life, who they love. Regardless of the fact that the kids do not deserve any of this, they are in the line of fire.
Maybe Jodi felt an impulse to come to her sister's defense, since Julie's motives and authenticity were being questioned. Julie bears the responsibility for putting her sister in that position. My question to Julie would be, why didn't you support your sister in the real world? Be her sounding board, give her your supporting words? Why did you bring an army of strangers into the fray?
In addition to making Jodi's situation messier, more painful, beyond reconciliation, Julie has also helped to empower a group of people who have a huge mixed bag of motivations. There are some who will now feel extremely righteous about whatever they choose to do. And Julie and Jodi will not be able to control it. Jon and Kate will get the brunt of it, but there's bound to be collateral damage--The Kids.
I'm sorry, but a "class act" would have her family and personal issues with them resolved quietly and between the members involved. The public should have nothing to do with it.
August 24, 2008 9:46 AM
You are assuming that jon and kate are approachable people. I think not. And we also don't know what has been done behind the scenes. The future holds the rest of the truth and I hope both blogs are still open. we will discuss it then!
I'm sorry, but a "class act" would have her family and personal issues with them resolved quietly and between the members involved. The public should have nothing to do with it.
August 24, 2008 9:46 AM
DO you think it is ok to have to spontaneous vomiting children? What do you think the root of that is? if your child vomited everytime he/she was upset, would you think to have him/her evaluated? I don't think that is cruel. It is cruel to ignore it and make fun of it on tv. Why don't you all talk about the stuff on the show instead of picking apart what another blog talks about? Why do you watch the show? Do you think it is OK? And you are right , the public should have nothing to do with Jon and Kate. But they are there on TV, several times a week, showcasing their kids for money. Making fun of them, humiliatiing them. That is what is wrong!
The people on gwop are harrassing Kate's family and saying hateful things about her and her kids. How can someone who loves those kids support that?
August 23, 2008 7:09 PM
When and where are posters at GWoP harassing the family and saying hurtful things about the kids? If you are refering to the parody's, that is exactly what they are. it doesn't take a half wit to figure that out.
Once again this site pounced on GWop to get there topic of the day. Whatever! My beef is the bitterness in you posters! It seems like there are alot of hostile people here.
I think Jodie's video was to give proof to the doubters, but imo, there is much more to be told. While it may not be the best way to handle a family porblem, Jon and Kate do not seem to be reasonable or reachable. I think the video is threatening to Jon and kate, and for reasons we may not know, necessary.
Nina Bell said...
"They couldn't wait to see the posters over here eat crow"
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That sums it up, doesn't it?
Sorry, as others have said, there were no great TRUTHS revealed other than Jodi definately supports her sister's blog and posting at GWoP. Makes me respect Jodi a bit less, but I still see Julie as the main instigator in this whole mess.
My main point and one I could go on more at length about, is Julie/Jodi don't *own* the truth. In any family squabble such as this one, each side has their own version of the "truth" and in most cases the "truth" (if it is really to be found in an argument such as this) lies somewhere in the middle.
own version of the "truth"
Sorry, I forgot about this:
But as a reminder, nothing that you read on the internet or in print is true unless it is approved by us.
In the Gosselin world, a lie is not a lie, an omission is not a lie, a variation of the truth is not a lie. It is an untruth.
My main point and one I could go on more at length about, is Julie/Jodi don't *own* the truth. In any family squabble such as this one, each side has their own version of the "truth" and in most cases the "truth" (if it is really to be found in an argument such as this) lies somewhere in the middle.
August 24, 2008 10:58 AM
THIS is far froma family squabble. 8 kids bing filmed in various stages of dress, distress, bowel problems, peeing in the garage, Kate's temper, Jon's temper, the list goes forever on-this isn't "I cooked Thanksgiving last year and this year it is your turn". It would be nice to meet in the middle but we can't.
Just think about how you write your posts. Would you speak the same way if the person were sitting next to you??? I think alot of you wouldn't dare.
I think you should remember to alwayd post respectfully.
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"Once again this site pounced on GWop to get there topic of the day. Whatever! My beef is the bitterness in you posters! It seems like there are alot of hostile people here."
First of all, GWoP does not own the internet. If you spend anytime reading internet news sites, entertainment blogs or even the evening news you will see that it is common practice to talk about the news for the day. We started this blog so that we could do so. And I guess we will continue to do so. Regarding the "hostile people comment", do me a favor and go back to the very beginning of GWoP and read every article and read every comment and you tell me who is hostile.
It has been reported that Beth Carson is writing her own book(re: Jon & Kate + 8).
It seems like there is a lot of trolling going on this morning and people trying to stir things up, doesn't it?
"go back to the very beginning of GWoP"
Was it not stated on this blog that it was a work in progress? That the outcome would be dependent on what input was received from the posters?
Why not extend the same courtesy to the GWOP blog?
It is not the same blog that was originally conceptualized.
It has been cleaned up quite a bit.
I think the distinction once again has to be made that GWOP is a different entity from the "secret board".
Regardless if it is run by the same people - they keep the nasty stuff, if any, to themselves.
How would anyone, "defend" any of their own private messages, e-mails, etc.? Would you be prepared to have your private thoughts, comments, jokes, things said in jest, etc to be published?
That's the difference between posting on a "public" board versus a private one.
I am not defending what is said, I am just saying if say "this is wrong" then it should apply to your own actions as well.
To add on to anon 11:07
I could do without the condescension as well.
"claiming to be us or writing about us"
"Just so you know!!!"
If you are talking about my comments, I never stated anything about a secret board. I have only read GWoP. Someone stated that we were hostile and bitter. My point was, although not clearly stated, that if you read GwoP from the beginning until now you will see great bitterness and hostility towards the Gosselins. That has not changed. The blog is still full of hatred, bitterness and hostility towards the Gosselins and anyone that likes the show. Just because there is a big love fest going on with Jodi and Julie right now does not change that. So we can sit here and point fingers at each other all we want.
We realize this blog is small. That is ok. Is it similar to GWoP? Sure. I am not ashamed of that. It is our forum to speak our minds.
Hey, wait a minute. I thought that there was no secret message board?
DO you think it is ok to have to spontaneous vomiting children? What do you think the root of that is?
No I don't think it's okay for a child to vomit spontaneously, but I also don't think it's okay to assume it has anything or everything to do with the child's mother.
if your child vomited everytime he/she was upset, would you think to have him/her evaluated?
Probably I would have taken my child to the doctor, yes. How do you know J&K haven't?
Why don't you all talk about the stuff on the show instead of picking apart what another blog talks about?
I certainly was not "picking apart" I was giving my opinion on the Aunt Jodi situation by referring to another poster. Also, I have posted before and spoken about the show, today's topic here are "feelings on Aunt Jodi's video" well I don't believe she portrayed herself as a "class act"
Why do you watch the show?
Because I enjoy watching this family.
Do you think it is OK?
My feelings on whether I think the show is okay are mixed. I do agree, these children have not had say in being on television or the amount of time they are filmed. I do believe J&K began doing this because they knew financially it would be helpful, I don't know their motives now so I cannot comment on them.
And you are right , the public should have nothing to do with Jon and Kate. But they are there on TV, several times a week, showcasing their kids for money. Making fun of them, humiliatiing them. That is what is wrong!
Again, I disagree with you when you say they are on TV therefore we should know about them. I disagree with all the media and paparazzi following celebrities around. They need their privacy too, just because they are famous doesn't make everything our business. - Also, there are many times on the show they praise their children, laugh with them, hug them, kiss them, and tell them they love them. Yes I do think it's okay to be on TV showing how much you love your child.
I for one have never seen anyone making fun or being unkind to any of the kids on the site you mention or on this site. I have seen some people say they wished the kids would not be exposed to cameras and that they may have issues they need to address with a counselor or therapist now or later. The older girls may be at an age, and probably are, where they aren't so thrilled having at least any of their home life on TV for classmates to see. That sounds normal and reasonable to me. I think it would behoove J&K to listen to their older daughters and phase them out as much as they can. Of course I don't know the contractual obligations they've made regarding Mady and Cara.
Would anyone prefer, as I would, just to have less J&K, much, much less, and more of just the kids playing and interacting and reacting with each other?
nina bell
I was referring to your comment about "GWOP in the beginning" - you cleared up your position in your response.
I was also referring to FGF mention of the "secret board", not your comment.
In response to your comment "anyone that likes the show"
I have found that some "defenders" do so no matter what, it appears that they find no fault, in Jon or Kate. No red flags at all.
I agree with Barbara in Va's points.
"Would anyone prefer, as I would, just to have less J&K, much, much less, and more of just the kids playing and interacting and reacting with each other"
Absolutely. People who feel that way should let Figure 8 or TLC know. I e-mailed them several weeks ago but did not get a response back.
"I have found that some "defenders" do so no matter what, it appears that they find no fault, in Jon or Kate. No red flags at all."
I am not blind to Jon and Kate's faults. Their faults should not be the driving motivation behind "advocating" for the children.
Yes, there are nasty comments about Jon and Kate but the kids are off limits at GWoP if that is what you were referring to."
Wish that was true but afraid not! One that sticks in my mind is a poster named Dew calling Hannah 'oafish'. I called her on it, her response was to remove the comment. I recall other instances but I sure can't go back and find them.
I also don't believe that saying that the children need to see counsellors is 'bashing' the children. CLEARLY Mady needs help (smiling while talking about stabbing the tups with pencils is not normal in any way shape or form). It's not her fault that she is that way - she receives absolutely no attention nor is she disciplined. Cara does not receive any attention either. I only think of the well being of both these girls when I say they need help (unlike their own mother).
As for saying that is okay for the children to be on TV. It's the farthest thing from okay. I mean it's obviously had a seriously negative effect on Mady and Cara - the tups are not far behind. All you have to do is look at almost any child star (or the Dionne quintuplets) to know the negative consequences of what Jon and Kate are doing. They know full well too but they don't care.
I believe that Jodi loves the Gosselin kids, but at this point, she's displaying hurt feelings that are all about herself. There's no good that could come to the Gosselin kids through that video
I 100% disagree that Jodi is displaying only her own hurt feelings. Do you get how much she loves her nieces and nephews???
I believe there is alot more that we don't know. I think she is worried for them. It is very cynical to think Jodi is thinking only about herself.
I think the distinction once again has to be made that GWOP is a different entity from the "secret board".
What do you mean by secret board? There is no secret board I am aware of.
You can call a spade a spade without hostility or bitterness. There is a huge difference. I think it has to do with personal happiness and intelligence.
My main point and one I could go on more at length about, is Julie/Jodi don't *own* the truth. In any family squabble such as this one, each side has their own version of the "truth" and in most cases the "truth" (if it is really to be found in an argument such as this) lies somewhere in the middle.
August 24, 2008 10:58 AM
THIS is far froma family squabble. 8 kids bing filmed in various stages of dress, distress, bowel problems, peeing in the garage, Kate's temper, Jon's temper, the list goes forever on-this isn't "I cooked Thanksgiving last year and this year it is your turn". It would be nice to meet in the middle but we can't.
Just think about how you write your posts. Would you speak the same way if the person were sitting next to you??? I think alot of you wouldn't dare.
I think you should remember to alwayd post respectfully.
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"Their faults should not be the driving motivation behind "advocating" for the children."
I don't think that the children are physically abused.
I think anyone that SERIOUSLY considered contacting CPS is delusional.
I don't want to predict that these children will have "issues" because of the environment they are being exposed to.
But I don't think their are parents are making the best decisions for them. I think the money and sense of entitlement is clouding their decision-making.
If their own parents do not think it is "wrong" - then I can see why some people are advocating for them.
Personally I think, if the parents don't put a stop to it, no one can. The network doesn't care - it is one exploitive circle. Parents-Network-Children.
What do you mean by secret board? There is no secret board I am aware of.
Ask FGF about that - she is the expert.
Barbara in VA,
There were a number of comments on the GwoP blog which said a variety of derogatory things about the Gosselin children.
They've all been called brats.
Some of the posters have without meeting the younger children have been diagnosed them with mental illness. The posters have also predicted that the kids would end up having a variety of social problems including being drug dealers, have unwanted pregnancies, etc.
What has gotten under the skin of so many posters who now frequent this site was that until recently, those derogatory posts consistently made it through the moderators censoring process but comments offering another perspective never saw the light of day.
The size of Ks rear has been frequently commented about as has Js lack of man parts.
It is this kind of moderating that has made me, and others, suspicious about the motives of GwoP.
In particular, I objected to them predicting th
Jon and Kate will get the brunt of it, but there's bound to be collateral damage--The Kids.
August 24, 2008 10:48 AM
And what would most parents do if there children became "Collateral Damage"? Would you protect them to the ends of the earth??? UM, YEA!
Do Jon and Kate, UM, NO!!!!!!!
I hope Jodi knows more then what has been told. I hope the scammers that Jon and Kate are, and no one in their right mind can say that these are honest people, there is evidence that they are not, are scared to death of what is yet to come out. They are not good decent people at all. Read the archives people. Stop defending them.
IT IS CALLED WITHOUT PITY!!!!
The idea is to put pressure on the idiots that Jon and Kate are!!!! And it is working.
Do you think KON is happy??? I think not! Good! They do not at this point deserve it. They are decietful crooks!
FGF,
what is the secret board?
I think this is a sad situation for everyone involved - especially for twelve children who did nothing wrong, you know?
I don't think Jodi's perfect by any means, but those of you justifying how "backstabbing" she is based on J&K not responding have to remember that they are under contract. TLC might very well be telling them not to respond right now.
WHATEVER happens, I hope this can be resolved. Not for Jodi and Kevin, not for Jon and Kate, not for the audience, but for all of the kids.
I am not blind to Jon and Kate's faults. Their faults should not be the driving motivation behind "advocating" for the children.
August 24, 2008 12:47 PM
Nina Bell-there faults are the reason why the kids are treated like commodities. Why they are dismissed when sick or in need of parental help. Their faults sucj as greed and dishonesty are why this show continues. Of course one must look at their fautls.
"They've all been called brats."
Considering their behavior, would you feel better if they were referred to as "dispositionally challenged, discourteous young individuals"?
"Some of the posters have without meeting the younger children have been diagnosed them with mental illness."
The only person I have seen described as having a mental illness is Kate - which I find to be an accurate guess.
"The posters have also predicted that the kids would end up having a variety of social problems including being drug dealers, have unwanted pregnancies, etc."
Being a drug dealer and having unwanted pregnancies are not social problems - they are called bad choices.
Anonymous:
I find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
I feel sorry for the kids. It is terribly sad, I think we can all agree on that.
I can't imagine they will be unscathed by this show, and by having a mother like Kate.
I do think it is very reasonable to predict that the children will have a varity of problems as a result. I don't see happy kids now, and I sure don't see happy parents.
And, I honesty don't think Jon or Kate are good and decent people.
JMO
I find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
I have to inteject - if Kate and Jon cannot withoud their own criticism and name calling of their own children - who is to blame when others do it as well?
Advocacy of children - sorry, I thought Parents should be their own children's first line of advocacy.
I read both this blog and the GWOP blog. I think that this particular thread has gone off topic.
I dont consider myself a hater. I dont consider myself a lover of the gosselin parents.
I used to watch the show because as a new parent, i was curious how it could be done with 8.
I saw Jodi's video. She never mentions GWOP. She doesnt appear to be posting over there. She just said that the information on her sister's blog is true and that this whole fiasco has been difficult to deal with. thats all.
Of course we are all entitled to our opinion. But in this particular thread, there has been alot of people bashing each other's opinion - which i thought went against the premise of this site.
In the end,IMHO, i dont think the fallout between the gosselin parents and Jodi is a result of only money. It goes beyond that and further back and as outsiders, im sure we'll never know the whole truth.
I dont think its bad of her to confirm who her sister is and that the information on that site is true. When she kept her mouth shut, she was bashed and when she spoke out she was bashed.
Its a no win situation. I feel sorry for her, others that were unappreciated and ousted by the gosselin parents and the kids. Being alienated from friends and family has got to be tough.
But lets remember to respect each other opinions and address them in an adult, intelligent manner. And refrain from saying "oh but look at how that other site is"
"Of course we are all entitled to our opinion. But in this particular thread, there has been alot of people bashing each other's opinion - which i thought went against the premise of this site."
Sorry this is the premise of this site
"You have the right to your opinions. You don't have the right to not have your opinions questioned. We are sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is." - Guinevere
I read these comments from the GWOPers and can only shake my head. The denials about nasty comments about the kids, who are they trying to kid? They cry and carry on about J&K and "honesty" when they are here typing lies themselves. As far as this so called "pressure" they think they are putting on J&K, talk about delusions of grandeur. Oy! Its very unfortunate that there is no means of communication with Jodi, I have the sneaky suspicion that she doesnt have a clue what her sister is up to on GWOP. I think she believes the blog is all that Julie is up to, I cant conceive how she would possibly be okay with her sister mixing herself up with the crazies on GWOP. Its funny that if Jodi had just gotten $$$$ everything that takes place on the show would have been kosher with Julie, but the minute Jodi doesnt get paid, the kids are all abused. Funny isnt it?
I think the problem is way more than Jodi being paid or not. After all, she told Kate that she would continue watching the children whether she was paid or not.
I find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
Let's see if this comment makes the grade.
Jon and Kate criticize their children and make fun of them all the time. Who is to blame when others feel that they can do the same?
Advocacy for a child should start with he or her own parent.
"typing lies themselves"
Please elaborate.
"the crazies on GWOP"
name calling, hmmmm.
"if Jodi had just gotten $$$$ everything that takes place on the show would have been kosher with Julie"
i think what she was incensed at was kate's objection to her sister being compensated.
"the kids are all abused"
while i find some of the posters agree with this opinion, i have never read Julie or Jodi state this.
Let me ask this, would Jodi's whole ordeal been a lot easier to deal with if she did not have to think about her sister's web site and the many blogs out there talking about her?
find it insincere that a blog that decries how Kate verbally abuses Jon and her children resorts to verbal abuse in describing the behavior of the children.
Totally agree with that. The GWOP people complain about Jon and Kate favoring Hannah and Cara and then do the same with Mady and now Alexis and are totally abusive in their judging of Hannah and Cara. I think it's horrible to make comments like that against a child. I've read some comments about Cara and Hannah there that make me sick.
As for Jodi's video. I don't know what to think of it...
Honestly family feuds should be dealt with within the family and not on the Internet.
Slow day in without pity land?
Talking about J&K's faults isn't slamming the children. Apples & oranges. They are all innocent children as far as I'm concerned and I think posters at both sites would say the very same thing.
Never heard of a secret board either.
No one on any site used the word abuse that I saw (& I've only been on recently), but what they have said was that, for example, Kate studying a furniture chart for what seemed like hours while a child suffered in a store was bad; that dragging Hannah out when she was sick was bad, etc.. The actions taken weren't of the children's doing and no one said they were. No one to blame there except the parents.
Anyone watching the show can't help but love each and every one of those children. I'm sorry if someone said they were brats. I can say that sometimes Mady acted in a bratty manner, but I think she just wants some attention and the camera out of her face and maybe, just maybe she wishes they could go back to where they were before the family enlarged. No surprise there.
All of us who have had kids or can remember when we were kids understand what it is like to be picked on at school for being in any way different. That may well be, as some have said, why Mady is at the moment more feisty than usual. Who knows?
I didn't know Jodi's sister had anything to do with the site you mentioned. Doesn't she have her very own site?
To the poster who said we should write to TLC, the sponsors and Figure 8 productions to request less J&K and more kids, thank you, point taken and I'm going to do that right now.
Barbara in VA
"family feuds should be dealt with within the family and not on the Internet."
or TV
"I think it's horrible to make comments like that against a child."
So it's ok to call one child "wild"
Ok to make fun of a speech impediment
Ok to say a child is "going to the detention center"
Ok to call a child clueless
These are things Jon and Kate have said about their OWN children.
Slow day in without pity land?
Point taken - everything's been said over there.
I think we are holding Kate and Jon up to different standards than we hold ourselves.
"I think we are holding Kate and Jon up to different standards than we hold ourselves."
Us mere mortals, parents of singletons, or parents of none, or non Juicy Juice drinkers, do not put ourselves in the position to warrant such scrutiny.
"Slow day in without pity land?
Point taken - everything's been said over there."
Can't win - if there was a deluge of activity, could we then accuse them of gloating?
anonymous said:
"It seems like there is a lot of trolling going on this morning and people trying to stir things up, doesn't it
August 24, 2008 11:26
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Why do you call it trolling? Is it because people have expressed different opinions than yours? I didn't realize it was inappropriate to express your opinion and thoughts on this board. Is it possible without being accused of being a "troll" or a "GWoPer?" I can speak for myself and ever since I began posting on this board, I have been accused of being from GWoP. Even if I did post over there, is it fair to lump all those posters in to one group? Isn't that a little naive and hate to say it but ignorant?
CLEARLY Mady needs help...It's not her fault that she is that way - she receives absolutely no attention nor is she disciplined.
Perfect example of the kind of crap we are talking about. Clearly? Clear to whom? You? There hundreds of MH works, CPS workers that watch the show and enjoy it. In fact, any time any sort of professional (foster mom, teachers, etc) posts on the blog to say "hey, you guys are a bit off base" you poo-poo them and say they aren't "looking hard enough" So, all of the professionals are wrong but you are right? Really?
Secondly, ANYTIME these kids are disciplined on TV, at least a good chunk of GWoP posters have a problem with it. You are so blind to the fact that your group tends to talk out of both sides of it's mouth.
Here is a familiar scenario...Cara and Mady are waiting for thier swim lesson (and BTW people, "look a little closer"...Cara was in the pool the whole time. Not sure why Mady chose to sit out). Mady acts inappropriately and tries to take something from the instructor's hand. She is sent inside and does not get her lesson that day.
You're general consensus...Mady and Cara should have gotten to go first. The NERVE of Kate.
Point #2: You say that the children are being exploited and the show should not be on the air in one breath then, in another, I've read several posters at GWoP saying "We'd like to see more of the kids and less of Jon and Kate." Really? Doesn't this mean they have to "work" more in their "sweatshop" of a home?
Why is it that you all come onto this site and only about 3 of you have the guts to sign your name?
You call us "mean" for calling you people "nuts" but then posts like this go on your site without being questioned....
Jon K said...
Having come back from a vacation in E-Town just a few weeks ago, and having driven past the Gosselin's home, I can honestly say that at least at that time, they still had the same two vans parked in front of the house (I understand they were in Hawaii while we were out there).
Yeah, that's not nuts at all...How mean of us not to see this "stalking" as just bringing about a higher purpose.
I'm not sure how you can visit GWoP regularly and question the existance of the cruel, inappropriate, bizarre and evening frightening posts are. It sounds like your head is exactly where you accuse ours of being...in the sand...But there is nothing wrong with snark, right?
I guess I should say, there is nothing wrong when you snark...but God forbid the shoe is on the foot and you are the target...you start whining and crying about a "hostile" environment...
Im done...for now
Anon 2:46
I made the trolling remark and it was in regards to the statement below. Not the people from GWoP. It is a term used when someone comes on a board or blog only for the sole purpose of stirring things up with made up information and not for the purpose of joining in on the converstion.
"It has been reported that Beth Carson is writing her own book(re: Jon & Kate + 8)."
Anonymous 1:07pm said:
I 100% disagree that Jodi is displaying only her own hurt feelings. Do you get how much she loves her nieces and nephews???
I said I believe she loves them. Her appearance on video does not demonstrate that love for the kids as being her top priority. She actually didn’t say anything about loving the kids on her video; she talked about how hard it’s been for her. She talked about herself throughout the video, but didn’t say anything about the kids.
Anonymous 1:18 pm said:
I hope Jodi knows more then what has been told. I hope the scammers that Jon and Kate are, and no one in their right mind can say that these are honest people, there is evidence that they are not, are scared to death of what is yet to come out.
If Jodi has known something about reportable illegalities or abuses by the Gosselins and she sat on that info while her sister played slap and tickle with the GWoP posters, she has done something completely despicable. And that’s what you’re hoping for? Jodi doesn’t need ‘help’ like that. August 24, 2008 1:18 PM
No one on any site used the word abuse that I saw
Barbara, are you actually READING the site...I know this is going to piss all you GWoPer's off but here is just a small example...from a blog posted just a few days ago.
Anonymous said...
Kate needs help, and I'm not trying to be funny. I am actually worried for her. I am also upset with her.Some have alluded to her being on meds, I don't know how true that is but something has to be done for her sake as well as the children but foremost for the children.
There is abuse all over the place on this show as for the foster parent who says it doesn't meet the legal boundaries of what abuse is... look again.
or how about mlou said...
I seriously hope Paul Peterson has been watching this show closely. Shots of the boys' cracks, blatent verbal abuse, spraying 4 year olds with a high pressure hose, these are all clear signs of abuse. If this does not cause people to take notice, then I'm afraid nothing will.
moi said...
Not THE Beth said, "As uncomfortable as they are to watch, they really aren't. I'm a foster parent and see a ton of neglect and abuse cases. What we see doesn't even come close to the legal standards for abuse."
I couldn't care less what the "legal" standard is. To any rational, mature person that is abusive behavior.
Perhaps 'the court' could try to convince the adult child of a monster who acted this way that that isn't abusive or damaging.
And that, my friend, is just a sampling of comments from this week alone....
Oh, and one more for the road...here is the PICTURE of kindness I would have dragged her into that water and forced her head into the sand for the crabs to eat
And whoops...I posted this comment anonymously because I was posting from my phone...this is actually my comment...
"I agree with Guinevere. I wouldn't say the video was any "smoking gun." The video only solidly proved that Jodi is in agreement with Julie's blog, Julie is who she says she is and no one (including Jodi) knows how to appropriately reslove conflict. There is no "innocent victim" here. It takes 2 to have a disagreement and everyone is behaving badly. I'm sorry but I don't think this makes Jodi "brave" and if u can't see bitterness and spite in this then u are wearing the blinders as well. Did Jodi deserve to be treated badly on TV? Absolutely not. Should Kate have allowed her to continue on the show? Maybe (we don't have Kate's side). For Jodi to make a public specticle of the conflict is equally tactless. Sorry. Even Lindsey Lohan, who allegedly had a terrible father, never went on the web to constantly bash him (no matter the controversy). How can u argut that taking this public is not just as detestable as "gumgate" if not, worse. Some people take conditional morals stances, apparantly. it all depends on who the person is, right?"
Sorry for the repost, I generally SIGN my posts, unlike the rest of the "brave souls" from GWoP.
I didn't know Jodi's sister had anything to do with the site you mentioned. Doesn't she have her very own site?
Julie was vetted by GWoP. They introduced her blog to the 'world', noting that they had met her face to face. Julie is a regular poster at GWoP as 'The Truth will set you free'. You will find lots of her responses in their Question and Answer thread. She is often called on to verify info. Whether she intends it or not, many see her as lending credibility to all of GWoP, including the more extreme viewpoints. Especially since she has, as far as I can see, never objected to any tactics proposed on the site.
As someone who used to post on this site with a "name" I have chosen not to post as frequently and use Anonymous when I feel the need to reply.
I have felt that by using a name depending on your stance, there are some people who specifically look for something to criticize or attack your post. The site uses the word "question" but the feeling is quite the opposite.
Since the disclaimer on this board makes no bones about being "questioned", I feel able to post more freely, if you will, by using the anonymous feature.
Anonymous said:
"These are things Jon and Kate have said about their OWN children."
That is a variation of the same argument made about why it is justified to drive past their house and take pictures.
"Jon & Kate have surrendered their childrens privacy."
In the very least, it seems like a "lets pile on some more." Realistically, it amounts to a "they asked for it" mentality. It just doesn't fly with me.
I question the motives of GwoP. This isn't news to anyone who has read my posts.
GwoP questions the motives of the Gosselins. I question the motives of GwoP. They don't have a corner on the market of skepticism. Neither do I.
There are kids in the neighborhood where we live whose parents yell and scream at them constantly.
I suppose that I could follow your logic and justify yelling at them myself by saying that their parents do the same thing.
"These are things Jon and Kate have said about their OWN children."
That is a variation of the same argument made about why it is justified to drive past their house and take pictures.
Meaning if you want to lay "fault" it should fall on Jon and Kate for starting the madness?
There are kids in the neighborhood where we live whose parents yell and scream at them constantly.
I suppose that I could follow your logic and justify yelling at them myself by saying that their parents do the same thing.
If you feel the need Linda.
Do they do it in your presence - in your driveway? I suppose if they choose to make spectacles
of themselves and you are able to view them doing so - they are fair game.
The point I am trying to make is - you have the option of doing so. Not that it's right or wrong.
"it amounts to a "they asked for it" mentality. It just doesn't fly with me."
No one forced them to do the show.
No one is forcing you to watch it.
Oh but that's right. You are doing it FOR THE CHILDREN.
Don't lump me in with the GWOPers
I am not crusading for someone else's children.
No one is forcing me to watch the show and I have the right to call a spade a spade.
I get why people claim to be uncomfortable with posting on some fan sites if they are anti-Gosselin. I've seen them called nasty names and truly inappropriate thigns said. I've seen people on both sides of the debate be "attacked" for their view.
But posterformerlyknownasx, I think you are confused I have felt that by using a name depending on your stance, there are some people who specifically look for something to criticize or attack your post There is a difference between finding holes and pointing them out to you and being attacked. See, in general conversation, when 2 people have an opposing point of view, they may debate back and forth, questioning how the other came to their conclusions. This is the nature of disagreement. Seems to me that some of you claim to be attacked, when, really, you just lost the debate.
No one is forcing me to watch the show and I have the right to call a spade a spade.
Very true...so do we....
"Don't lump me in with the GWOPers
I am not crusading for someone else's children.
No one is forcing me to watch the show and I have the right to call a spade a spade.'
August 24, 2008 3:51 PM
Finally, some honesty!
From Anya:
"I was hoping to respond to XXXX's post regarding "what you continue to watch...if", because I thought the points she brought up were well-thought out and worth a discussion, but I guess I would considered off-topic, or irrational, or whatever name you want to call me."
I received complimentary comments and anytime someone addressed me I answered their questions. I got accused of playing dumb and being a member of some secret society. This situation is not even on same level as Julie and I felt the need "redeem" myself - and I did with proof that I did not belong to the "secret board". I should not have had to do that.
I can't debate points where the response is "I don't care about that" "that doesn't bother me".
I stopped posting for a while and now I just lurk.
I stopped reading GWoP when I read them making comments about Joel's future sexual orientation. That is as inappropriate and off-topic of their "mission" as it gets.
Nomoredrama, I post as anonymous cause I can't be bothered to set up an identity (besides, I'm quite sure that no more drama is your name in real life). When I say Mady clearly needs help, you seem to be lumping me in as a GWOPer (I've spent a total of 10 minutes on that sight and have never posted). I never spoke about the times Mady has been disciplined or whether it was unfair. In fact because I no longer watch the show I've never seen those episodes - maybe her parents are getting better at doing so - I don't know.
You say that it is my opinion that Mady needs some counselling but don't seem to say anything to defend her discussion about stabbing her brothers and sisters. I just don't know how that is not a clear cry for help. I take that threat very seriously given how much she kicks and hits her siblings to begin with. I'm not trying to diagnose her, just say that she needs to talk to someone (honestly I think the simple solution would be for her parents to pay some attention to her and talk with her themselves, but doesn't look like that's going to happen anytime soon).
making comments about Joel's future sexual orientation
I thought his parents did that.
In the "My Motives" post on Julie's blog she does say Jodi was questioning the people involved with the show about some things going on involving the children, so it could be that this was about more than Jodi not getting paid.
Just thought I would post this since some were wondering why Jodi had never had a problem with the show until the question of getting paid came up.
From Julie's blog:
"Although the refusal to allow Jodi to be compensated is ridiculous, the real reason members of the family are upset is the fact that Jodi is being replaced as the caregiver. Jodi was a voice for the children. She actually approached those involved with filming/producing and questioned them about things she was concerned about involving the children."
Hey Drama!
Seems to me that some of you claim to be attacked, when, really, you just lost the debate.
Dont forget to call them jealous too!
Hey Drama!
""Seems to me that some of you claim to be attacked, when, really, you just lost the debate.
Dont forget to call them jealous too!
August 24, 2008 4:51 PM"
Now tell me how this promotes a discussion. But it is the people over here that are a problem.
Good for Jodi. Julie was obviously hurt for her sister who she loves and stands behind, unlike J&K with their families. Jodi said it best when she said sometimes it's easier to keep quiet but that only leads to more speculation (paraphrased). So for her to come out was the appropriate thing to do.
Honestly, the video has only made me question Jodi's ethics more, and wonder about the blog entry here from a few days ago titled "The Truth Breeds Hatred". Posters here are often accused of "worshipping" J&K (I've seen no evidence of it, and plenty of evidence that almost all of us recognize their faults). I think it's undeniable that GWoPpers worship Jodi - I have NEVER seen an anti-Gosselin poster say one bad word about her. Yet, you have to wonder...putting all the pieces together, with Bitter Julie's frequent GWoP posts making it clear that Jodi has been ripping J&K to her for a while now - what kind of person is Jodi, really? She shows a very sweet facade, but it seems like maybe underneath it all, she has some anger and judgment.
I do start to wonder - if Kate has always been so, so awful, then what exactly have Jodi's motives been for participating in the show? Her videotaped effort to "set the record straight" has made me see her in a different light. I happened to be rewatching the "Alexis at the Reptile Zoo" ep yesterday morning (it's my favorite!), and in the part where J&K are talking about Alexis' loud meltdowns, there is a shot of her with one of Jodi's daughters in the background, dressed only in underwear. Where is the outrage from the Jodi-worshippers there? What about pedophiles? How can Jodi exploit her own daughter that way? The horror!
Maybe, just maybe, Kate and Jodi are two flawed in-laws caught in a feud at the moment. Maybe neither of them is entirely right. Can the GWoPpers even wrap their minds around such a concept? Even if Kate has other motives for not coming forward with "her side of the story", I still think her silence makes her look better in this instance.
It seems like there are alot of hostile people here.
Yawn. You should create a macro; it'd come in handy.
In the Gosselin world, a lie is not a lie, an omission is not a lie, a variation of the truth is not a lie. It is an untruth.
I don't understand your point. I remember back when the Gosselins posted their statement and included the word "untruth", GWoP posters jumped all over the word as proof the Gosselins were lying (paraphrasing: "Kate couldn't say Julie was lying, because she wasn't - that's why she used the word 'untruth'").
I would have pointed out that the two words MEAN THE EXACT SAME THING, but I saved my typing fingers the trouble, knowing my comment would never be posted.
I think maybe GWoPpers need to invest in dictionaries...
Just think about how you write your posts. Would you speak the same way if the person were sitting next to you??? I think alot of you wouldn't dare.
I think you should remember to alwayd post respectfully.
Thanks for the (unsolicited) advice. I'm sure you always follow your own advice while posting about J&K on GWoP.
8 kids bing filmed in various stages of dress
Nine, actually. Don't forget - as I mentioned a few posts above, St. Jodi let her daughter be filmed undressed. But it's okay, since she's St. Jodi. I'm sure it's all that bitch Kate's fault, somehow.
How would anyone, "defend" any of their own private messages, e-mails, etc.? Would you be prepared to have your private thoughts, comments, jokes, things said in jest, etc to be published?
So, say what you want to say (e.g. calling a four-year-old "Fatty Arbuckle"), as long as you don't get caught? Charming.
I prefer J&K for at least letting it all hang out there.
"The point I am trying to make is - you have the option of doing so. Not that it's right or wrong."
The point I am trying to make anonymous is that if I yelled at the kids in our neighborhood and justified my actions by saying ... "that is what their parents do" then I would be no different from their parents.
The people who justify the name calling on GwoP because the parents do it are no better than the very people (J&K) who they criticize.
I know I have a choice. I choose not to demean those kids. I choose also to call out people who do it even those who claim to be doing it "for the kids."
I've had problems with controlling in-laws. It's no picnic. It is even worse when people take those problems outside of the family to perfect strangers.
Perhaps the only smart one in this bunch was Bob Carsen who consistently said, "Thanks, but no thanks" to the cameras in his face and his home.
And for that matter, maybe Beth is smarter too. There was an apparent conflict and she didn't get a blog or do a video cam interview or align herself with strangers to malign the parents of the children she dearly loves.
There is the lady of class.
IT IS CALLED WITHOUT PITY!!!!
The idea is to put pressure on the idiots that Jon and Kate are!!!! And it is working.
Do you think KON is happy??? I think not! Good! They do not at this point deserve it. They are decietful crooks!
Question: how many exclamation point keys do you go through in a month? You might want to switch to decaf.
I don't know if "KON" is (sic) happy - I would guess they are happier than some embittered and obsessed posters I could name.
Jon and Kate criticize their children and make fun of them all the time. Who is to blame when others feel that they can do the same?
Um, the person indulging in the behavior?
Congratulations, though on your justifications, now Kate is not only responsible for her own behavior, Jon's behavior, Bitter Julie's behavior, St. Jodi's behavior, the Gosselin childrens' behavior, and the plight of crab fishermen (see the GWoP thread at Princess Marie Chantal if you want to know what I'm talking about), but she is responsible for the vicious bitchiness of the GWoP posters. Way to shift the blame, there.
Ask FGF about that - she is the expert.
Amen. And since you seem to have a bit of sarcastic tone, maybe I should go on some more about it?
Like the second secret message board attached to GWoP made especially for Jodi and Julie called "Aunt Jodi's Playhouse?" Created because you really didn't want Julie and Jodi on the original secret message board called "Reality TV Unlocked" because she would see the gossip the GWoPPERS were saying about her behind her back and that letting her on the first message board may not be comfortable for all the members and cause them to hold back and be less candid? So, "Aunt Jodi's Playhouse" was created so that the invited GWoPPERS on the private board could speak directly to Julie and Jodi and ask questions and dig up dirt?
"Reality TV Unlocked," a private board, is where GWoP was born. All the originators of GWoP post there, things are hashed over and discussed there before they ever appear on GWoP, usually with comments like "Let's see the Sheeple try to ignore THIS." Then it appears publicly on GWoP. Not all GWoP participants are members of that board. They have to be invited. Believe me, it's a vipers nest. It's where private information that a certain unstable poster digs up on family members not involved on the show, like names, addresses, spouses, occupations and incomes originate. It's where the plot to feed information to the National Enquirer was born. It's where a tup is referred to as "Fatty Arbuckle" and where posters said that they wished Jon would back over Kate with the mini van, or have an affair with his fitness instructor. Yeah, wishing for a parent to die or Daddy to screw around on Mommy is really "advocating for the children."
Thanks FGF,
That explains a few things. When I first started this blog, I was getting a lot of traffic from Reality TV Unlocked. Normally when you click on the link on the sitemeter it will take you to the website and you can see what people clicked on to get to your site. When I clicked on this link it would tell me I had to sign on. When I tried to sign up it said they were not accepting any new applications at this time. Today, someone sent me this link again. I did not post it because again I could not access it and felt why would I pass that on. However, I did see the picture of the horses on the top of the page with the one horse with the wig on. The same picture that was on GWoP site. I guess they must have been talking about me or this site and someone wanted me to know.
I know it seems like a strange connection, but the whole "J+K are ripping off innocent church goers...." puts me in mind of the people who tried to sue McDonald's because they were fat.
What happened to personal accountability? I guess none of these people have watched the show? Are we to believe that they all live in a hole and are only let out on Sundays? I just don't buy it. As for the ones who truly don't know them, do your research before giving money to any cause. Half the time what I read on gwop looks more like advocation for ignorant church goers than it does for the kids.
Fanny,
Exactly. I said that a couple of days ago when we were discussing the "Love Offerings." I usually do a little research before I give money or see someone speak. I think these people can make up their own minds.
Ninabell, you can best believe that this board has its very own thread on Reality TV Unlocked. That's how I found out about your blog and I haven't been back to the viper's nest since. I found this place much more to my liking.
It's amazing that ever since this blog took off, the Reality TV Unlocked/GWoPPERs have been bombarding this site, crashing your voting booth as if that's going to have an effect everyone's opinion, and in the past 24 hours, a record setting amount of them have posted here. Overall, they seem disappointed that Aunt Jodi's "confessional" didn't have the desired effect. Oh well, maybe they should just chalk us up as hopeless causes.
At least we now know a small fraction of the bullspit that the Gosselin's go through thanks to GWoP and RTVU and why boards like TWoP gave up and closed their J&K threads for good.
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Sound Off":
http://z15.invisionfree.com/Reality_TV_Unlocked/index.php?
This is what I was sent.
Finn,
I actually apologize. Seriously (no sarcasm). I was wrongly assuming that you were someone else. Yes, as people often point out, we all know what happens when assumptions are made....so seriously, I apologize (but for the record, I wasn't one of those people calling you a liar).
nina bell & fgf -
So the link kind of provides the "front door" to one of the secret message boards, but you have to be "invited" in?
And if there is a second secret message board called Aunt Jodi's playhouse where people kind of "behave."
Do you think that Aunt Jodi knows about the GwoP blog and the nasty message board?
Hey Drama!
Seems to me that some of you claim to be attacked, when, really, you just lost the debate.
Dont forget to call them jealous too!
August 24, 2008 4:51 PM
yeah because that's how I end all my posts "you're just jealous." *note the sarcasm*
Way to call me out anonymous...I'm so ashamed of myself....ROFLMAO!
That's very interesting, fgf.
FGF,
It is not that I ever doubted what you were saying in the past, but I didn't really have the connection with any of this since I didn't even know what TWoP was. I had never been on any of the message boards before I came across GWoP or any other blogs regarding Jon and Kate. But I have a whole different perspective now. My eyes are wide open now. Motivation for what is driving the owners/moderators at GWoP is very clear. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Your information along with some e-mails that were shared with me from a moderator at GWoP assures me that the Gosselin children are no where in their scope of what is important here. There mission is to bring down Jon and Kate at any cost. And their behavior only breeds and encourages people such as Manda who continue to harass this site as well as anyone that is favorably connected to the Gosselins.
Linda,
Now I understand Manda's comment regarding you. They are discussing you on this private board. I can't remember her exact words? But it is on this blog so I could look it up. But doesn't it make you wonder who else they are talking about from their own board?
Didn't we do this in high school?
fgf -
Did anyone ever discuss why they were so pissed at the Gosselins?
Were they people who once donated to them? Were they people who were from their old church?
I guess that I'm wondering what motivates virutal strangers to go after a tv family?
Thanks Nina and Fgf for your posts regarding the secret message board. I was on the fence about it before but now I'm convinced that it's true.
Ya know, maybe someone should funnell the GWoP and secret message board info the The National Enquirer...
I bet they would run a story on a bunch of random people trying to taken down the Gosselins. Maybe someone could forward them some of the nasty posts that are one those sites.
I think they need to be exposed for what they are, just like they have tried to do to the Gosselins!
I'm not even a Kate fan and I can't believe that people would stoop so low. DISGUSTING.
Anonymous said...
Thanks Nina and Fgf for your posts regarding the secret message board. I was on the fence about it before but now I'm convinced that it's true.
Well, you can see that the horse has the same hair-do as the one that was posted on GWoP. No way to deny that it's a J&K message board.
Nina bell,
Well, according to dear sweet Manda, I can only guess that I practically had a thread devoted to me on the secret message board.
I'm thinking though that because of this blog you may have surpassed me as the #1 laughing stock and probably have a thread in your honor too.
fgf -
You may have a thread now there too ...
Linda and Fgf,
I would be honored to be in your company.
I probably have 3 threads because I am such an attention starved whiner.
That hosting site lets you have a free message board... Maybe we should create our own?
Ha! I can hardly keep up with this.
Nomoredrama, I post as anonymous cause I can't be bothered to set up an identity (besides, I'm quite sure that no more drama is your name in real life).
You "can't be bothered" to set up an identity but you can be bothered to post....And I obviously don't think you should post your REAL name here or anywhere on the internet. It's just nice when there is a s/n attached. And maybe you are the exception but so many of the people who are posting anonymously are regular posters on GWoP and do, in fact, already have an identity set up.
When I say Mady clearly needs help, you seem to be lumping me in as a GWOPer (I've spent a total of 10 minutes on that sight and have never posted).
And I'll apologize to you too for assuming you are from GWoP....But my post was really an address to the GWoPer's in general and I used your comments as a catalyst for discussion.
You say that it is my opinion that Mady needs some counselling but don't seem to say anything to defend her discussion about stabbing her brothers and sisters.
I can't comment on this because I haven't seen this particular episode. I honestly have never heard her say that. I would need to see the her actually say it, observe the tone of voice she used and understand the context around the situation.
That being said, I'm not against having these kids talk to someone to "check in." I've said that on here before. But you don't know that this is not going on. It's not something that would or could be shown on TV. Not everything that happens in the Gosselin's lives is show on TV.
OMG!!!! FGF! Talk about a "smoking gun."
Game, set, match...
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