Thursday, August 28, 2008

What Gray Truth Are YOU Seeking

Submitted for publication by Baby Mama.

There has been so much discussion lately with those that seek truth from Jon & Kate. Mostly these people are the ones that oppose the show, but still continue watching in order to have more to talk about regarding the family. So I wonder why everyone is so interested in truth? Is it a person like Jodi, who is obviously now OK with her sister writing on a blog that slams this family? Does she represent to you the meaning of truth? Does a family that refuses to respond or retaliate to the blogging community considered truth? Truth with this family falls into several categories.

1: Family issues aren’t discussed. The more you give anyone the hint of intrigue, the more people pounce thinking they pulled a skeleton out of the closet. Satisfaction knowing they found out something that was supposed to remain hidden. This is what I call “Gray Truth”. What every speculates as fact but no one really knows for sure.

2. Prior “bad rap”. Kate already had issues with the locals not being to happy about her asking for an extended nurse stay for the babies. That’s primarily where the hate blogging started, where people protested their tax dollars going to pay for the needed nurse for at least another 6 months. Also people that helped along the way didn't feel “appreciated.”

3. Children on TV: This is such a hot topic and everyone will agree to disagree whether its ok to have the kids filmed like this for this period of time. There isn’t much TRUTH to be found here.

4. “Love Offerings.” In hindsight this was a great idea. Not accepting the “norm” flat fee for a speaking engagement and just accept what people give you. Problem was, once the family started making money on TV they didn't take into consideration people might not like giving to a family that is no longer struggling. The quick decision should have been to go back to the flat fee thing and not discuss to people “your opinion of struggling”. But it was too late. More “Gray Truth”.

5. Money: Helping the family out of love for them became more about why they weren’t being paid for it. Friends feel entitled to a piece of the action now that they were drained from constantly helping them due to the shows tight time schedule. This is another “GRAY TRUTH”. People can go back and forth till the end of time, but no ones going to ever know the real deal for sure.

6: The closing of small blogs to make one BIG HATE BLOG: When TV blogs like Television Without Pity and Fans of Reality TV had to shut down their blogs due to the outright nastiness a few people decided to start their own blog. Gosselins Without Pity became the snowball it is simply for being able to post whatever they wanted without repercussion. Posting comments only from people that truly have at least one issue with the show. Giving you negative personal information you think you cant get anywhere else. Giving you places to protest the show, and finally the GOLDEN EGG. Jodi’s sister Julie pulls in none other then scorned Jodi herself. This is the biggest “Gray Truth” of all. A relative “she said, she did not say” (Kate).

Bottom line, when people feel that children are treated unfairly for any reason, they will attack. And rightly so. But where do you draw the line? Where do you feel truth is not actually fact but perhaps a “GRAY TRUTH?”

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49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great post! I also loved Baby Mama's Austin Powers parody from this afternoon. I lol!

Anonymous said...

Hey, nicely written article . It looks like this show is a passion of yours. Enjoyed looking at your site also.

Anonymous said...

I like the expression Gray Truth. Kind of like a white lie?

jdmac said...

Wow - you hit the nail on the head. There are so many angles to look at this monster that has become J&K+8 and the issues around it. I was so intrigued with the show; first as a fan, then as a "seeker" of "truth", and finally as someone who is just fascinated by all of the efforts that are going into bringing this family down. Not that I 100% agree with everything I see on the show, because I don't, but I can't get with the GWoP attitude toward these people. I still enjoy the show, still wonder what their lives are really like (behind the scenes & with family) and have decided that I'll probably never know. Because if Jodi spoke out more, or if Beth came out, or Kate's parents, etc, that would be their version of truth and their version of the story. You hit so many gray truths, but don't forget the freebies, the vacations, the trips: could be more to all of that than what it looks like.

Basically, we see what TLC/Figure 8 wants us to see. More drama = more viewers. Kate brings drama, every week. It doesn't get much grayer than that. Reality tv has never really been reality, on any show that I'm aware of. Why is this one any different?

~jdmac (formerly frenn)

Linda said...

Baby Mama,

You are right. Jodi's video is the Golden Egg to the GwoP blog! They've paraded her video around like a trophy and now hail Jodi like she is a hero.

Anonymous said...

I am kind of thinking the whole thing with Jodi not being paid was TLC or Figure 8's fault from the get go. The should have nipped this in the bud at the beginning and said anyone appearing on camera in a supporting role of any kind gets paid. Even if it was a small fee that could have been negotiated up when needed. Jon and Kate then should not have been involved in anyone else's salary negotiations. Only their own. I guess maybe they are learning from this whole fiasco also.

axiom said...

IMO, nothing in life is Black or White - there are lot of gray areas. So i agree, that as far as the family issues, as viewers, we will never know the truth - and i personally dont care about that aspect of controversy. That is their business. i certainly would not want strangers trying to dissect my personal family matters.

It also seems that Kate's bad rap - prior and present has more to do with her rudeness towards people. Time and time again you find internet posts/comments from people that have encountered her in real life and approached her as a loving and appreciative fan only to be treated poorly and disrespectfully. IMO, just because someone has a TV show doesnt entitle them to treat others poorly - especially if they tout the Christian angle. I use to DJ alot in my city and i would have to deal with musicians - famous ones with alot more talent than Kate - and i was never treated like hired help, never treated poorly.

All you have to do is watch a show to see how rude she is with her own family. If she is that rude and disrespectful with her immediate family - how can you expect her to be nice and respectful towards others? And lets be honest - its a fact that the show is edited and that Jon and Kate get a final say before the show airs. They have admitted this in interviews with the press.

My distaste for certain aspects of the show came directly from the show - not from some cyber-stranger's opinion.

I also dont get the obsession with slamming GWOP whenever possible lately. yesterday they were being a little to harsh on Jon and i posted a comment that was favorable and it was posted up, immediately.

Ninabell - l loved the the thread about posting something positive about Jon. I contributed at 8:15 as Anon. i also loved reading about real-life advocates.

It's so easy to criticize another blog that you dont agree with. WHile they do have their radicals, so does this blog. While they may focus on certain aspects of the show and go on about it at length - they dont go on and on about slamming this blog.

Anonymous said...

"Reality tv has never really been reality, on any show that I'm aware of. Why is this one any different?"

Totally agree with everything you said. This one seems to be different because of a vendetta. That is the only thing I can think of.

Normally, when we question something like you did, we look it up. Read about it. Figure out how we feel about it and than make a decision if we want to continue to participate or not. That is what normal people do.

People with a screw loose, choose the other direction. The one of mob mentality that has been mentioned on this site before.

Nina Bell said...

axiom

But yet you couldn't leave a post about Jon's parenting skills without totally slamming Kate.

"It takes alot of patience to deal with someone nagging you ALL the time, smacking you and generally making demeaning comments."

I can probably post 10 different sites right now where my blog is getting slammed by people going there from GWoP. Not only getting slammed but calling me names and attempting to pretend they are me.Revealing personal info about people that post here. Every attempt to bring this blog down.

Let them. I don't care. People over there are not allowed to slam this blog on that site so they go elsewhere and do it. There is no difference here.

That blog deserves everything they get. There are many sites out there much worse than this. At least we are open about what we are doing here. No one is trying to hide anything. That site is a front for bashing two people they hate. Meanwhile it is all about the children.

Nina Bell said...

I am not posting your last comment because this is not going to turn into a debate about why we talk about the dark side. Enough said.

Baby Mama said...

Thank you to everyone for enjoying the article. I really think its important to keep this show in perspective and not make it the vendetta that the other site does. I find its gotten so bad that the only thing we can do is go in reverse. Try to stay clear of reading things that we no longer can believe as TRUTH, or at least take it with a grain of salt. I believe from the bottom of my heart that the will be someone not well that reads those posts and takes it to the next level, and that's truly the scary and sad. Will that site take responsibility when that happens? Of course not.

anya said...

Baby Mama:
"People can go back and forth till the end of time, but no ones going to ever know the real deal for sure."

Thank you for expressing and summarizing everything I have been trying to say for weeks in my posts. The assertion that one side (be it Jodi, Julie, or whomever) are the keepers of "the truth" and J&K are liars and the rest of us who defend them are "sheeple" is beyond naive and ludicrous.

Real life does not work like that. In any given conflict, there are two points of view. I have a feeling that if we had the opportunity to sit with J&K they would have a perfectly logical and rational tale to tell of how they reached the point they have. Might I disagree with some of their decisions along the way - perhaps. I can just about guarantee you, however, that nothing has ever come out of Kate's mouth to the tune of "nobody makes money off my kids, but me." That is such a
preposterous statement, yet it has been repeated time and again to make Kate look like a monster.

There are evil people in the world. Believe me, I am not totally naive. I just don't happen to think Kate Gosselin is one. Flawed, absolutely (as we all are), but not evil. And you have to conclude she is evil if you believe even 60% of the junk that is blogged about her as "the truth"

Anya

P.S. Love love love your blog. Anyone who likes "Austin Powers" and "J&K Plus 8" is totally someone I know I can hang with.

anya said...

axiom said...

"It also seems that Kate's bad rap - prior and present has more to do with her rudeness towards people. Time and time again you find internet posts/comments from people that have encountered her in real life and approached her as a loving and appreciative fan only to be treated poorly and disrespectfully."


Axiom, by your own admission these are internet posts. We have no way whatsoever of "proving" that these encounters really happened. The fact that they are posted on a Gosselin hate site makes me suspicioius. On this blog, we have had at least one poster claiming to be a neighbor of Kate and saying much the same thing. Without recounting the whole sad tale, her "story" just didn't add up.

"All you have to do is watch a show to see how rude she is with her own family."

I am not sure which "family" you are referring to. Jon? I'll acknowledge that the way J&K communicate is not everyone's cup of tea. I don't think it proves your point, however, that Kate is "rude and disrespectful."

In my view, Kate has a strong personality. She says what she thinks. She's opinionated sometimes. Maybe everyone doesn't like her. I can understand that. I just don't *get* the hatred towards her. To me, it speaks more to some people's own insecurities than to who Kate is.

GLO said...

"There are no whole truths; all truths are half-truths. It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil."
~Alfred North Whitehead~
Dialogues


IMO, the last line describes perfectly the intent of some when it comes to this family.

axiom said...

Nina
the only post i have submitted today was at 7:44a

since then, i have been busy as i have an infant, so im not sure if someone else was trying to post something negative using my screenname. i really dont like getting into nasty back and forths. i stated my opinion earlier and you stated yours.

Your response had alot of valid points - and certain information that i was not privy to or aware of.

with regards to what i said about kate, i did not see it as a slam - merely an observation from how she acts on the show and also, from Jon's comments about her and to her directly while on the couch. i know from past experience what its like to deal with constant nagging and putdowns everyday - its not easy and it wears a person down.

i generally like this site, which is why i come and read and feel comfortable enough to post my opinion.

I dont agree with people calling you or anyone else on this site nasty names or posting personal information - that is crossing the line. and further - how serious can you take someone who will cyber-stalk you? it does beg the questioning of mental stability.

this is my first experience with blogging. i used to love watching the show - after a while, my husband kept pointing things out and certain things didnt make sense. that is how i came across the other site and then yours.

I previously posted as Anon that the other site isnt about child advocacy. i agree with you on that. its become a witchhunt mentality.

I do appreciate the honesty on this board - i just like it more when the focus isnt on discussing their site. That is the implication that i wanted to convey.

Nina Bell said...

Thank you axiom,

Yes someone did continue to post using that name. I think it is better to register with google. It is confidential and you don't have to give them your real information. When you post you still have the option of using anon once in awhile if you think it is necessary.

I understand how you feel and I thank you for your response.

Anonymous said...

Being a reader of both GWOP and GDNOP, I constantly try to walk that line and see the truth/untruth as it really is, or what it is not. Both here and there, the truth is shaded to make a point. That's human nature, that is language, that is the art of debate and I do respect both sides. I laughed to myself at those over at GWOP after the Jodi video came out. They said that the folks over a GDNOP would scream "Sour grapes", or claim it wasn't her, or say she was forced to say it, whatever, whatever. I laughed, thinking that the people here on GDNOP have brains in their head, and they were certainly be big enough people to acknowledge the video and what it really was. But lo and behold, and come over here and find out the GDNOP people are doing just that. I'm a disapointed. There is little pure black and white, but here was an instance where is was snow white, and the folks over here turn it into something grey or even black.

Anonymous said...

Could you please explain anon 11:35, what the video really was? I am not clear on that.

anya said...

Anon said:
"They said that the folks over a GDNOP would scream "Sour grapes", or claim it wasn't her, or say she was forced to say it, whatever, whatever. I laughed, thinking that the people here on GDNOP have brains in their head, and they were certainly be big enough people to acknowledge the video
and what it really was."


I don't know if I saw anyone here crying "sour grapes". I'm not really sure what you mean by that. There were those of us who questioned whether it was a wise decision on Jodi's part to put the video on the intranet and further fan the flames of those who want to discuss the family's personal business. I think that's a legitimate point of contention.

"Claim it wasn't her." Seriously? I read every post (I think) and I didn't see ONE poster say that it wasn't Jodi.

"Forced to do it." Yes, you are correct. Some (not all) posters felt that Jodi might have been pressured into the video. Of course, this is conjecture. Nobody can say for sure. What was clear was that Jodi was very emotional and Julie looked happy as a clam in her brief appearance. Hmmm.

Maybe you missed that some of us (me included) acknowledged the video confirmed what we were previously unsure about - that Jodi approves of the blog her sister set-up. I had previously given her the benefit of the doubt on that point.

Beyond that, I think you should review "What Gray Truth Are YOU Seeking" by BabyMama to better under how some of us view "the truth." Yes, Jodi absolutely made a video, posted it on the intranet and backs up what her sister has written as "true." That is what you call "snow white", I guess.

Your own posts asserts "there is little pure black and white" so it appears you *get* what some of us are saying about the conflict. That is that both sides no doubt have their own point of view and "truth." Just because one side has been very vocal about putting their version out, doesn't mean it is the FINAL say on "the truth."

Anonymous said...

The video was a video that was clearly Aunt Jodi confirming many of the things that had been speculation were indeed fact. If I can find the link to the video, I will post it.

MCB said...

I laughed, thinking that the people here on GDNOP have brains in their head, and they were certainly be big enough people to acknowledge the video and what it really was.

Which we did. I don't know what blog you were reading, but I don't recall reading many posts saying that the video was not Jodi, or that Julie was lying all this time. Most people claimed that it didn't change anything and that we weren't questioning what she said, but the fact that she was doing it at all. It shows a lack of integrity to air dirty laundry with complete strangers on the internet and a security risk to those kids. But that Julie seemed to be enjoying her celebrity and hero worship status a little too much to give it up.

What I saw that night was GWoP hauling out the video and gleefully waiting for a meltdown (or conversion to the dark side) that never happened, so they sent their attack dogs over here to stir things up. They didn't get the response they wanted.

So sorry we didn't play the Mean Girls game. I'm also sorry that's so disappointing to you.

I can probably post 10 different sites right now where my blog is getting slammed by people going there from GWoP. Not only getting slammed but calling me names and attempting to pretend they are me.Revealing personal info about people that post here. Every attempt to bring this blog down.

Sounds like a plot in a Lindsay Lohan teen movie. Classic mean girls clique warfare. Yeah, that's mature and a great way to influence people to your side.

Anonymous said...

Anon,
No I saw the video. I was just wondering what you thought was so earth shattering?

Also, you mentioned that they talked about what the mind frame of the folks at GDNNOP would be. Could you point me to that section at GWoP so I could read where they said that.

linda said...

Anonymous 11:35 -

I was one who was not convinced that the blog belonged to Jodi's sister Julie because I still wonder what good can come of feeding information to a sister who in turns feeds it to perfect strangers who are intent on bringing down this family.

Some people have written on other boards that the woman in the video doesn't look like Jodi. I won't go that far, but I still wonder what Jodi hoped to accomplish in terms of her relationship with those kids by going on the internet with the video.

You say that the video is snow white. In my opinion, it is a snow white version of Jodi and Julie's perspective on things. It is not the entire story.

Okay, we've got Jodi's and Julie's perspective.

We don't have J&Ks.

But probably, most importantly we don't have a morsel of information about what motivated the people to start the GwoP. (And it isn't the idea of advocating for the kids. I don't buy it.)

People come over here and complain that this blog discusses GwoP. Well, this was not said by me, but it really showcases how I feel.

You cannot discuss the controversy around the Gs without discussing the people who are at least partly responsible for creating the controversy.
And those people are of course, the parents and equally the people from GwoP.

Anonymous said...

The link to the video is here. It is self explanitory!

http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Why would you want J&K's perspective? That is like asking Osama bin Laden about the truth behind 9/11.

Anonymous said...

Why would you want J&K's perspective? That is like asking Osama bin Laden about the truth behind 9/11.

Anonymous said...

So anon. You still haven't answered my question. Where over at GWoP were they talking about this site and what the reaction would be at this site?

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure where it was posted really matters. I don't want to stir up even more dirt by posting a link. GDNOP talks about GWOP and GWOP talks about GNOP, is this news to anyone? I'm not a regular poster here or there, mostly a reader.

Anonymous said...

Ok the reason I am pushing for where the people on GWoP talked about this site is because it doesn't exist. If this was discussed -

"I laughed to myself at those over at GWOP after the Jodi video came out. They said that the folks over a GDNOP would scream "Sour grapes", or claim it wasn't her, or say she was forced to say it, whatever, whatever. I laughed, thinking that the people here on GDNOP have brains in their head, and they were certainly be big enough people to acknowledge the video and what it really was. But lo and behold, and come over here and find out the GDNOP people are doing just that. I'm a disapointed. There is little pure black and white, but here was an instance where is was snow white, and the folks over here turn it into something grey or even black."

it was done on your private, secret message board and you are one of THOSE GWoPers. I hope the people who frequent GWoP realize you talk about them also. Those that are not registered members.You make fun of everyone. There are no limits. Than you go back to GWoP and try to pretend you are interested in the nonsense that goes on there.You just come here to stir things up. Then comment that all we do is talk about you.
Correct me if I am wrong please??


I LOVE this part"Being a reader of both GWOP and GDNOP, I constantly try to walk that line and see the truth/untruth as it really is, or what it is not."

I never laughed so hard. This was so innocent people reading this would think you are legitimate. Stay home please. Quit playing around. You only make yourself look bad.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad that a serious conversation "Never made you laugh so hard". Don't know about secret boards, I'm sure they exist, I'm surely not part of them. You also thought it was pretty humorous that I read both boards for balance. I think this is an alien idea for both GWOP and GDNOP you both post your own opinions, believe they are correct, won't even listen to the other side of the argument, and just keep getting more and more extreme when you haven't converted the world to your warped, one sided way of thinking. GWOP is as bad as GDNOP and visa versa. I'm through with all of you. You are all a bunch of stubborn people. The truth lies someone between what the two boards are spewing, but neither board will allow a conversation that can help get to the real truth.

Anonymous said...

"I laughed, thinking that the people here on GDNOP have brains in their head, and they were certainly be big enough people to acknowledge the video and what it really was. But lo and behold, and come over here and find out the GDNOP people are doing just that. I'm a disapointed. There is little pure black and white, but here was an instance where is was snow white, and the folks over here turn it into something grey or even black."


Sorry, this is not a serious conversation. This is someone coming over here to attack and stir things up. You insinuated that we were brainless basically.
If you want to have a serious conversation, then ask a serious question. Don't point fingers and bring up GWoP

nomoredrama said...

Why would you want J&K's perspective? That is like asking Osama bin Laden about the truth behind 9/11.

I think this comment actually made me throw up in my mouth (yes, I'm exaggerating before you try to throw those words back at me).

This is a beautiful demonstration of the mentality that some people have. It's beyond absurd and it's a slap in the face to anyone who has lost someone in 9/11. The tragic loss of thousands of American lives hardly compares to Jodi pouting because she didn't get her way (I wont even go into what "her way" may or may not have been).

I'm sorry but that is some twisted stuff and if you can't see that, you have more problems then you realize.

Linda said...

Anonymous:

You wrote:

Why would you want J&K's perspective? That is like asking Osama bin Laden about the truth behind 9/11.

So now J&K are as bad as a mass murderer?

Your analogy does not fly because you are equating these parents (who I do not hold out as parenting role models by the way) as similar in their culpability as a man who masterminded a plot to murder thousands and harm countless others?

Do you realize how that sounds?

I maintain, that we've only heard Jodi's and Julie's perspective.

I do not even suggest that J&K don't bear some responsibility for the family dispute. But I end it there.

GwoP may not have started the dispute within the family, but they are at least partly responsible for manufacturing the internet controversy which is in all likelihood exacerbating the conflict in the family.

Really ... who is off limits in these GwoP games?

It's sick. It isn't about the kids for them. It's a personal vendetta.

Linda said...

Anonymous :

"but neither board will allow a conversation that can help get to the real truth."

I'll engage in a conversation but it will start with the question of ....

What happened to the GwoP person who lives "nearby" the Gs to get them going on this journey?

nomoredrama said...

Anon,
I am sorry that you are "done with this" but wasn't it you who initially insulted us? I'm not sure what kind of response you were expecting.

I'm sorry that I don't think that Jodi's corners the market on truth. Jodi is a family member who is hurt. I posted many times that I think both parties are at fault. At no time did I ever suggest that Jodi was forced into the video. There is no disputing that the video features Jodi and that what is written on Julie's blog they perceive to be fact. The legal definition of fact is "an actual thing or happening, which must be proved at trial by presentation of evidence and which is evaluated by the finder of fact (a jury in a jury trial, or by the judge if he/she sits without a jury)."

If I'm going to "prosecute" Kate, I need more than the testimony of 1 embittered witness. Sorry..you call it stubbornness, I call it thinking.

Linda said...

And here is an interesting post from the Q&A section of the GwoP blog.....

"But being curious to know is not analogous to having the right to know. "

Too bad that same courtesy was not afforded to the families involved in this conflict.

But then again, if that idea was followed there would be no GwoP blog.

Rosieo said...

Nice article Baby Mama and I enjoyed looking at your site also.

Guinevere said...

GWOP is as bad as GDNOP and visa versa.

I feel compelled to dispute this every time it's said. If GDNNOP was as "bad as" GWoP, I would not be a part of it. I would not want to be a part of it if the majority of people here cleaved to one absolute view, whether it was "J&K are monsters" OR "J&K are perfect". Such black and white thinking does not appeal to me.

And I CERTAINLY would not want to participate here if people here were engaging in cyber-stalking and attempting to disrupt strangers' lives. That goes way, way too far IMO.

So, no, I don't think you can say that the two blogs, or the people who post on them, are interchangeable.

Anonymous said...

So, no, I don't think you can say that the two blogs, or the people who post on them, are interchangeable.

Maybe not interchangeable, but I think it's fair to say that each blog has it's own hard-headed opinions regarding the show and aren't open to others who might have a different opinion.. yourself included.

There are some of us that read both blogs just because it's entertaining to see people get so wound up about something. You say people on this blog don't, but it seems like you're defending this site about allegations more than you are debating.

That being said, GWoP isn't interesting to read anymore. It's just become ridiculous and as much as I might not like Kate as a person (from what I've seen on tv) I wouldn't want an entire blog critiquing a snapshot of me and my husband with made up captions.

Nina Bell said...

anon 6:25pm

You are right in just about everything you said. I guess I should only speak for myself but many of us, myself included, hold hard-headed opinions about issues surrounding the show. I don't really have that many opinions about the show itself other than it is a fluff piece.

Again your right in that we have been defending this blog against allegations. Way too much this week especially. It appears that some people feel we talk about GWoP too much. Actually we admit to this, but people just keep wanting to bring it up. Yes we admit that we talk about GWoP a lot.

One thing I know for sure that people will not stop talking about GWoP here.

The other thing I know for sure is that I will quit defending those allegations because there is nothing to defend. I admit to it and most likely will continue.

Yes we will try to discuss other things. Continue to lurk, that is ok with me. Continue to get your entertainment here. I think several weeks back I wrote a post about how this is just a blog. Just entertainment for all of us. Nothing else.

And I absolutely agree with you on the last paragraph of your post.

nomoredrama said...

Anon 6:25,
You do seem like a balanced person. I know I personally appreciate criticism. I guess people get on the defensive when the conversation starts out with:

I laughed to myself at those over at GWOP after the Jodi video came out. They said that the folks over a GDNOP would scream "Sour grapes", or claim it wasn't her, or say she was forced to say it, whatever, whatever. I laughed, thinking that the people here on GDNOP have brains in their head, and they were certainly be big enough people to acknowledge the video and what it really was. But lo and behold, and come over here and find out the GDNOP people are doing just that. I'm a disapointed

If you are comfortable accepting Jodi's word for it then that is a decision you've made. Should everyone just accept when someone says "this is true?" If we did that, we'd have a sad, sad country. People are questioning the Gosselins and that is good!!! But there is a difference between questioning and creating a campaign of hate. I question the Gosselins. I don't hate them. I certainly don't equate Kate to Osama Bin Laden or Susan Smith or Andrea Yates. Those people are murderers. Kate Gosselin has a television show that people don't agree with and gets free things. When talking about balance, that seems a little "off balance" to me.

I know you're not a fan of either extreme but if you read carefully, there are many moderate people here. When I get "up in arms' is when people come out with the extreme views or make wild accusations. I know that there are people here who are not Jodi fans (I'm one of them, I think what she did lacked integrity, sorry). It's because her sister continues to support that "extreme" site. This wasn't a spontaneous "Oh, I'm going to make a video thing." I believe that this has been in the works for quite some time. I also believe that Jodi is using her hurt and anger to fuel a dangerous fire.

Thats my opinion. Even if her version of events is 100% the accurate version of truth, this is not the way to do things. There are classier ways to live your life. For Example, when Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt split up. The media was in a feeding frenzy trying to get Jennifer A. to comment on the relationship between Brad and Angelina. I think Jennifer A. had more of a reason to be pissed off. Her husband left her for another woman. Where was her hate blog? Would you have supported that? Personally, I think she made a classy decision not to comment, despite her hurt.

People have used the excuse "Well, Kate is a public figure so Jodi had to go public" but I absolutely disagree. When do you see celebrities getting on the internet and dishing info to the general public? They might do an interview where they give very limited personal information and just talk about their own feelings. Jodi could have done that and I wouldn't fault her. But she went about it this way. Like her sister said "we all have to decide what we can live with." Well, apparently Jodi can live with herself but can her kids live with her actions? How about the Gosselin kids?

I know the next response will be "it's all Kate's fault...she x, y, z" but no one held a gun to Jodi's head and made her do this. The hate blogs and talking trash could be a reason for Kate ending the relationship. Could you blame her for that?

Guinevere said...

Maybe not interchangeable, but I think it's fair to say that each blog has it's own hard-headed opinions regarding the show and aren't open to others who might have a different opinion.. yourself included.

I think I'm more hard-headed and intractable about GWoP than I am about J&K+8. I mean, I have certain opinions about the show, but I can accept other opinions as perfectly valid. I can accept and understand people not liking Kate. I can't accept or understand people comparing her to Osama bin Laden. There needs to be some middle ground to work from.

Even about GWoP, I feel like I've gone to pains to say that I know that not all the people who post there are responsible for the worst stuff that comes out of there. But I won't back down on saying how inappropriate I think the stalking is, and how ugly I think some of the comments that people post there are.

There are some of us that read both blogs just because it's entertaining to see people get so wound up about something. You say people on this blog don't, but it seems like you're defending this site about allegations more than you are debating.

I can only speak for myself, but I try not to get "wound up". Really, I do. This is not a mission or an advocacy for me, and while I do get caught up in the debate at times, it's not worth it to let it make me angry. I see how angry some of the GWoPpers are at the Gosselins, and how caught up in the lives of people they don't even know, and I know *I* don't want to be like that. I get that the fight is entertaining. I don't find going to GWoP too entertaining because it's too over-the-top and ugly to me. It kind of depresses me.

Anonymous said...

Just curious. What is your take on the hit and run by Kate where the police came to her door and she said she didn't stop after hitting another car because she was a "public figure"? Mr. Nixon, are hearing this?

anya said...

Anonymous said...
"Just curious. What is your take on the hit and run by Kate where the police came to her door and she said she didn't stop after hitting another car because she was a "public figure"? Mr. Nixon, are hearing this?"


Speaking for myself, I have only heard this account posted on GWoP. I give it the weight I give most of the stuff that is recounted there over and over until it becomes a "FACT."

If you have an impartial news source that we can look at, I'd be glad to check it out.

Just curious - what's with the Richard Nixon reference? That one went over my head. Must need some more coffee!

nomoredrama said...

Just curious anon, where is the evidence for that?

Show me and I'll have an opinion.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Nixon thought he was above the law. That was the reference. Is anyone here old enough to remember how arrogant that pres became and how it was a very, very long and hard fall back down to reality. you break the law, whatever it is, hit and run, you own up to it and you pay the piper. No one is above the law. Not the President of the United States or the mother of 8 children who fancies herself a TV star.

Anonymous said...

Where did you read about the hit and run? In the paper, on the evening news, GWoP, the neighbor that has a vendetta that posted on cafemom but had never posted before that day. Where is a source that can be trusted. Where I grew up things like that were always printed in the local paper.

nomoredrama said...

Anonymous, there is not one shred of evidence to suggest that this "hit and run" happened. Not one bit. In small towns like the Gosselins live in, any "crime" is reported in the local paper. Not even a blip. Kate would have been arrested. I highly doubt that this "I'm a public figure" would have just been left. The press would be ALL OVER that just like they were all over Matt Roloff's DUI.

There have been so many other WAY more famous people getting caught doing stupid things and they get arrested just like everyone else. So as I stated earlier, if you can provide me with legitimate proof, other than some speculation at GWoP, then I'll be outraged. Until then....its just another fairy tale created by the crazies.

nomoredrama said...

Ah, the sound of crickets.....thanks for proving my point.