Our dear, dear friends have created a tribute page to us. We are simply touched by their kind words (gdnnop.blogspot.com) We know it must have taken days and hours to create such elaborate humor so far be it from us to let hard work go unapppreciated. Let's all take a moment to stop and admire.
Who could possibly be behind such clever genius? Well, does this picture look familiar click me ? Guess the members of GWoP's SEEKRET Message Board are a bit threatened by our lonely, inconsequential little blog?
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oops...sorry...that last post was just a test to see if i was doing this right..i didn't mean to publish..
I'm confused. The first link didn't work for me?
lilfirelfly, I fixed the link. for some reason, everytime I tried to put in in, blogger changed it. So just go to the link I've written above.
Link doesn't work for me either. These people seriously need to get a life. SERIOUSLY.
http://gdnnop.blogspot.com/
I have never understood how that blog can say that this one is the evil, heartless and unfair one. This "parody" (I use the term loosely) proves the point. It is trash. What kind of mind thinks that such junk shows any kind of worthwhile 'advocacy'? What a joke.
It really shows their level of maturity and respect.
Why would they include a picture of their respective families on the blog?
They have been had. They can't stand it. So they lash out. Suck it up, get over it and move on. They should also, by the way, turn off the TV. It is taking up way too much of their time and energy. What a sad group of people.
Why would they include a picture of their respective families on the blog?
LOL!!!! So funny!
Wow. I've been watching these sites for months, and I am completely fascinated by the lengths people will go to to tear each other down. This has nothing to do with Jon and Kate anymore. A little reality show (no matter how you feel about the show itself) has really brought out the worst in some people. I do commend the people of this site, for being rational voices and keeping their cool. I imagine there are times when Ninabell must wish she'd never gotten involved in this mess. As for me, I know I'm addicted to reading about all this. I'll probably stay tuned to the whole thing as long as its here. I just felt moved to comment that this is the only place that seems to have any sense whatsoever.
I am just sooooo flattered, beyond words! (standing and taking a bow)
Oh yes, the picture is familar....it says GWOP all over it.
Very funny comment NMD.
Okay, I'm new here so it follows that I'm confused.
When I started posting at GWOP, Serena L. Bell seemed to be "in charge" there (as well as a few others whose names I've forgotten). Where are the founders of GWOP? I can't find Serena's name anymore listed on the sidebar. Does anyone here know what happened?
Also, what is the meaning of this new (?) site with the pigs on the opening page? I understand that it is apparently meant to be an insult, but to whom? This group? Or GWOP?
Is the new site is meant to be good-natured kidding? Or just insulting?
I keep reading about Fiona; wasn't she a moderator at GWOP?
I will say I'm disappointed GWOP did not address the Penn Mommy phantom. I don't think there is any shame with acknowledging being duped, considering most of us posters at GWOP enjoy commenting on the KON-fans' "dupeness" (okay, not a word but maybe it should be).
I'm not asking anyone here to reinvent the wheel with my questions but I haven't been following the blog wars.
It seems this blog is divided in opinion regarding the Gosselins (versus GWOP which is almost exclusively anti-J&K). Is that fair to say?
Final question -- are the folks behind the pig blog from GWOP? Or use to be?
I miss Serena because she was a good writer. And I think she would have posted the story behind the PM scam.
I'm clearly not a fan of the parents (and I think the kids are so-so). My interest has mostly been observing the adolescent material "wants" of J&K and Figure 8's do-gooder malarkey. I don't watch anymore but still read most of the GWOP recaps.
Thanks to all who respond.
I am just curious.. who are you referring to when you say "they"?
Without all that has been ocurring, could the culprit not be PM (Possum and Penn)or Fiona?
I still don't know who "Fiona" is.
Over at GWOP, the list of mods has changed. Maybe I am not reading carefully enough - but lately their posts have been more op-eds. I agree that the comments still have an overall hate of Kate, but those coming from their readers.
Also, what is the meaning of this new (?) site with the pigs on the opening page? I understand that it is apparently meant to be an insult, but to whom? This group? Or GWOP?
Is the new site is meant to be good-natured kidding? Or just insulting?
The blog is an aim at us. They've used our name and changed it to something that is supposed to be clever. It's meant to be insulting but, in fact, it is actually a rather humorous display of their inability to comprehend the world outside of their blog.
Without all that has been ocurring, could the culprit not be PM (Possum and Penn)or Fiona?
Can we say for certain who is behind it? Nope. Did you look at the two pictures? This "artist" has a certain style. Obviously it's not absolute proof but makes you go hmmmmm.
There will never be an acknowledgment of Penn Mommy by that group. There were so many stories and lies they've spread as a result of what was told to them by a person who, in the end, turned out to be a fraud. Kind of like some of their other "truths." A hit and run accident that got no media attention (even though the police responded) in their small, Pennsylvania town (where getting a speeding ticket could possibly get your name in the paper).
Some people there genuinely want a place to talk of advocacy for children in Reality TV. Many, however, are only interested in spreading rumors, lies and innuendo in an attempt to bring down someone they don't like.
I agree with the poster who said that this is becoming less and less about the Gosselins. It's kind of sick but is addicting. I'm sticking around for now too.
I was never a moderator at GWoP. In the beginning I thought the blog did a good job with getting information out.
But things like the Comment of the Week, talking about the kids, even in spoof, I didn't care for and i did comment about that, although it was not posted.
Now it seems as tho they have a following of some very mean and bitter posters, and I do believe that they are the ones behind the blog.
I understand your questioning about PM, but I think this group has done a great job at outing who it was, and it most certainly was not me!
I'm fairly certain you won't post this but I simply had to whisper in your ear, "your attempt at witty sarcasm? FAIL." And to say someone is "threatened" - wha? Why do you presume people are cowering when they are not? It makes you look silly - not them. And lastly, you were not the first, nor will you be the last Gosselin-related blog. You do your blog thing and let the rest of the internet do their blog thing and everyone is happy!
amandapants, I would say that the "new" GDDNOP attempt at witty sarcasm = EPIC FAIL.
Oh Manda,
I'm letting this one through just for you. You're so sweet and kind, I wanted everyone to see.
Your concern for the Gosselin children is awe inspiring yet, for people who are not threatened, you and your buddies seem to monitor this site and it's content very closely.
Then again, you're right. You are all also on high alert when any article about anything Gosselin related is published. The hours you spend scouring the web like hungry piranhas....I know, you're just "doing your blog thing."
We'd love to let the rest of the internet do their blog thing but you just can't seem to take our name out of your mouths. So, say hi to your friends and let them know they got a shout out here. Aren't we giving you what you want? A little attention.
WOW....just Wow. 3Farmers putting pictures of her family up. I thought they were so against putting "family out in the spotlight". I really hadn't noticed us talking about Pmomm/Possum, etc,etc anymore. Apparently they haven't moved on.
monicaw42-It's comments like yours that are unneccessary and quite honestly, a bit juvenile. Isn't this exactly the kind of thing you accuse GWoP of doing?
Monicaw42-
I was going to say the same thing, but didn't want to be accused of a personal attack! :)
3F, Lonnyswife, KC and the rest are having a nice time.
Really, shouldn't you all be writing some letters or something?
Sure, this site has moved on about PM, but they are mad that we found out.
Ok, lets try to let the personal attacks on certain posters go. I let the comments above go through but I'm rejecting any further ones (about us or them).
Really, the whole thing is a joke. They create a whole website in which they imply that anyone who posts here is a pig but get bent out of shape when the tables are turned.
So everyone, give GWoP a big, hearty, hahaha! There is certainly a lot of laughter going on but, is anyone laughing WITH them?
omg, who would take the time to write all that? lol.. what a bunch of silly losers.
And the trolls are out in full force, as evidenced above.
You guys haven't found out squat but you do look ridiculous bringing people into your messes that have absolutely nothing to do with any of it.
Wow, the gang is ALL here! For the record, I don't think you (Lonnyswife), 3f, momof5 and your crew have anything to do with this.
And for the record, it's funny that for people who NEVER read this site, are horrified by the contents, and take every opportunity to "speak out" seem to be on here a lot.
Your anger is misplaced. It should be elsewhere. You're going to act indignant because we brought attention to the hilarious blog? Again, isn't that what "they" (whoever "they" are) wanted?
I am not indignant that you brought attention to the pig blog. I am indignant that my screen names keeps being brought up in regards to any part of the screwy situation as it exists today. And I have never said I don't read GDNNOP. Although I will say I had never read it until it had been brought to my attention at GWoP. I was curious. So sue me..
I, like lonnyswife am not angry with you for posting the pig blog. I am just tired of people trying to link me to a controversy I was not a part of. I also never claimed to not read your site...I also heard about it elsewhere and came to investigate. What I do object to is calling people names or being rude for the sake of being rude.
Sorry LW,
I should have stated that the middle paragraph was not directed at you specifically. Just in general.
And we are VERY familiar with being accused of things that we haven't done, like fictional phone calls. It doesn't feel good to be accused of something you haven't done. So I can understand your frustration.
You are more than welcome to express your views about J&K. Wouldn't that be great if actual, intelligent discussion could be had between adults? Why is that because we try (and no, it's not perfect) we wear a target?
wow, I cant say how much I LOVE this site.
nomoredrama said...
And for the record, it's funny that for people who NEVER read this site, are horrified by the contents, and take every opportunity to "speak out" seem to be on here a lot.
I also love how they "just happened" to be looking here they day this was posted read with full arsenal to comment on this.
Lonnyswife said...
You guys haven't found out squat
So pennmommy is still real ?!?! Oh, thank heavens...Wouldn't want Gwoppers to look like fools now..
NotAPerfectMom said...
amandapants, I would say that the "new" GDDNOP attempt at witty sarcasm = EPIC FAIL.
haha...Yes you took the words right out my mouth. Do you watch AOTS?
Hm, the first thing I thought when I saw the pig site is "Okay, these have to be kids."
Are these seriously grown women?!
Momof5,
Point taken, and I agree with you. I just don't see why you can't apply that POV to a certain sites you frequent. Are they every rude just for the point of being rude? Do you need any more evidence than the main posting in this thread?
And no, no one is accusing you of being a part of the unfortunate controversy that occurred. Though I will point out that you and some others have been the loudest spokespersons when everything hit the fan and you were quick to jump on the "Vile GDNNOP" bandwagon before you found out the truth.
Do we expect any sort of apology or even acknowledgment? Nope...but please don't play like an innocent target just randomly being singled out. You made your feelings VERY clear elsewhere. Should we act as if what you said has disappeared along with all of the other mysteriously disappearing things in the blog world?
NMD-I have said elsewhere and will again state it here. I cannot apologize for doing my best to defend someone I thought needed defending. I am just that sort of person. All of us (okay, there are those who claim to have known from the beginning) thought we were reaching out to someone in real need. We sent up real prayers and cried foul when we thought a grieving mother was being harassed. Yep, we all got scammed...but we also showed the best of who we can be-caring, sympathetic, trusting human beings. Did things get heated, you bet. Would I defend someone I felt to be in real trouble again-DEFINATELY. Isn't that why we all feel so strongly about the topic of the G's in general? There are wrongs being committed with regard to the children and things which need to be addressed. If what your mission (and the mission of other sites) is truly what is stated...then at some level we all come down on the same side at the end of the day. We may not like the approach taken by some, may not agree with opinions of others...but we are all trying to make a difference in our own small way.
Jamie said:
Lonnyswife said...
You guys haven't found out squat
So pennmommy is still real ?!?! Oh, thank heavens...Wouldn't want Gwoppers to look like fools now..
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Sorry Jamie-not sure how long you have been following the whole saga. There was quite a few times my screen name as well as two to three others were brought up in the same post sections here on GDNNOP during the PM mess as being part of a secret blog, etc.
That is what I was referring to. I would hope that by this point there aren't any people left in blogo-land that believe the PM story to be real. I erred on the side of being sympathetic towards this woman with a sick child. Not all of us had the information that others seemed to have who were perhaps more vocal in their belief that PM was not real.
I certainly didn't come over here to 'your house' (GDNNOP) and get pissy with anyone. I responded to comments made on a blog I was following at the time. And at that time many people felt the way I did.
I just wanted to clear up any misconceptions that seemed to be floating around in cyberspace about my or the other 3-4 people mentioned having been involved in some greater plot.
We were sucked in like many many others.
Thanks for allowing me the time and space to have my say.
IMHO, little by little people are seeing the light in regards to GWoP and other "Kate Hate" sites/blogs, etc. It's amusing to me that the folks at GWoP (and other sites) are the first to blame you all here but for me, what made me "see the light", is their own actions. We all know the old saying "Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves" and we can see that happening in front of our eyes.
I read a lot of websites that have nothing to do with the Gosselins or Reality TV (Disney, sports, etc) and there is always a thread about J&K + 8 and TONS of ppl disgusted by GWoP. Sure, in their little world they consider themselves insiders and advocates, but in the real world, people laugh at them and pity them.
I'm very thankful you've all welcomed me here and no one here has ever treated me poorly because I used to post at GWoP. The same can't be said for GWoP as they no longer allow my comments to go through..which is fine by me.
NMD said...I just don't see why you can't apply that POV to a certain sites you frequent. Are they every rude just for the point of being rude? Do you need any more evidence than the main posting in this thread?
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I should have also clarified that though I do frequent several sites in order to try to balance all of the info I am reading...I do not always condone what is being said or in any way agree with quite a bit of it.
I would LOVE for everyone to come to the table in order to try to make a difference. How much better would our world be if everyone did just that?
You are more than welcome to come and add to the discussion. Let's (everyone, not just us) talk as adults, even if adults disagree. Let's be the example to our children when they ask us how to handle conflict.
And, if possible, try to see the other side. For example, when you say you were defending a grieving mother...and would do it again. That is admirable. I think for us (I know for me) we wanted to defend those who were being taken in by something we knew in our guts to be false. It had NOTHING to do with defense of Jon and Kate. It had nothing to do with wanting to attack. It had everything to do with fighting against injustice for us as well. We came out with what we came out with knowing that it is possible that NO ONE would believe. In an interest of preserving the reputation of the blog, we could have held back. But holding back the info would almost be as wrong as knowingly confirming something that is false.
You can choose to believe that or choose not to believe it. I can tell you that there are good, kind, caring people on this blog who want to see the right thing done.
*snort* Way to laugh at yourself Nina! People only respond with something of that complexity when they're threatened.
Okay, I have a question...
Looneyswife and momof5,
Is your appearance here now just because you want to state you are not part of the "piggy" blog or does it mean you've come to some determination that PM is a fraud and don't want to be connected with her?
I'm only asking because you both were denouncing this blog for outing her just days ago.
Has there been an epiphany that you would be willing to share?
I'm not relishing someone eating crow. It would just be nice if SOMEONE who blasted the posters over here would have the guts to acknowledge out loud what GWoP wants swept under the rug.
For Marci-
I don't believe I ran to GWoP and posted during the outing of PM. I did post on PM's blog while it was still up that I thought to attack a woman at a time like this was indefensible. I wasn't reading GNNDOP at the time so perhaps you all had information some of us did not have back then.
The reason I commented today was because I had seen my name mentioned in earlier posts and comments when you had two or three running that pertained to PM and that situation. I didn't post or attempt to post at that time because I assumed it would run it's course like most things usually do.
Then today, I received an email from a friend who said that again, Lonnyswife was being mentioned over here.
I didn't realize that the pig blog would cause some people commenting to bring me up again as it also has nothing to do with me. Or anyone I know for that matter.
It was silly tying me or anyone else to some sort of deeper darker plot involving PM.
I am not sure about the 'epiphany' part of your question as it relates to PM. Haven't we all, over the course of the past week, decided on our own about PM?? Again, if you all had more information about the situation I was unaware of that fact. So it might have taken some of us alittle longer to come to the conclusion that it was indeed a hoax.
Would it have been nice if you had shared earlier if you had that information? Maybe so, but again, I wasn't reading this blog at the time and although I can't recall for certain, I don't believe anyone who came to PM's blog to 'denounce' her actually had or mentioned any real evidence.
I have no ties to GWoP other than I post there occasionally, and truth be told, they don't post alot of what I do try to get thru. How they choose to react to this thing is out of my hands and so I am unable to speak for them. Perhaps sending you questions to one of their moderators would get you the answers to your questions.
I hope I have answered all the questions I am able to address to your satisfaction.
Looneyswife,
I appreciate you giving your answer.
I wasn't suggesting you should answer for GWoP, and the comments I saw from you were on the Shrew blog, not GWoP.
It actually would have been rather hard to comment on the PM situation on GWoP because, I think ...either through heavy moderating or some kind of mass email discouraged anyone from "running" over there to make a comment about Pennmommy's outing...no comments were allowed on GWoP. They also very quickly took down all reference to PM's existence.
I do think, however, (and I'm not trying to attack you) that you were more aware of the information over here that was posted last Monday about PM than you're claiming. You were certainly over at Shrew discussing how awful the moderators were over here. You're making it sound like you were just agreeing with everyone else there just to agree.
You certainly had the opportunity to read what we all did Monday night. I wish, if indeed you posted for several days before reading here, that you would have looked before you leaped.
MommyZinger said...
Hm, the first thing I thought when I saw the pig site is "Okay, these have to be kids."
Are these seriously grown women?!
October 11, 2008 1:30 PM
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Those were my thoughts. It's silly. Even for a snark it's childish. Like a drawing a caricature of your teacher.
Jamie said...haha...Yes you took the words right out my mouth. Do you watch AOTS?
Sometimes! lol
I would like to say that I understand what it feels like to have your screen name drug thru the mud Lonnyswife.
Whoever it was that accused me of calling a hospital, emailing PM, harassing her...you sure jumped on that bandwagon, as did many others.
I tried to defend myself to the bitter end by having a blog owner herself publish my email address.
It is a hard pill to swallow.
And while you yourself may not be involved in the pig blog, I believe, me personally, that you were aware of it. If I am wrong, I apologize.
And, I too read the comments left by you and your team members on Shrew and they were very ugly.
As far as the pig graphic goes, and to who all is invloved, none of it helps the Gosselin's. In fact, I think it hurts the situation a great deal.
I have been called every name in the book lately, and now I have a lovely pig with my screen name on it, so please excuse me if I pointed a finger to the wrong person.
@ nomoredrama
You just don't know when to stop, do you? You choose to assume something about me and it makes you look silly, not me.
I think your attempt at humour over the gdnnop swine blog was too forced and wasn't very funny. Does that make the opposite of nice because I have an opinion as to what's funny? I suppose so, by your reckoning.
I happen to read up to 50 blogs on a weekly basis. As for Gosselin-related blogs, I read both yours and GWoP.
I do no "scouring" - I read because I am interested and and am indeed looking for a "balanced" view.
Shame you had to go and lump me in with "anyone" - at least now I can say I view up to 49 blogs a week.
So, what have some people learned from the PM saga? Oh, lots:
"Yes, we were taken in by this scam but it's only because we are such wonderful, kind-hearted, caring women. Which is, of course, reflected in all of our internet postings, about everyone. So, judge, go ahead, find me guilty. OF BEING AWESOME!"
On the subject of the pig blog: yawn. If you're going to be an ass, can't you at least try a little harder to be witty or clever?
Ladies: another notable act of child advocacy on your part.
I am sure once Paul Peterson, the National Enquirer, and the next President of the United States (etc.) check out GDNNOP.blogspot, they will realize the level of your commitment to "the tups" and will be FORCED to act.
Bravo!
Pigs are cute! Cara Gosselin LOOOOVES pigs too! ;)
It's like being parodied by SNL (only SNL is usually funny). That's when you know you've made it.
Thanks, whoever you are!
Shame you had to go and lump me in with "anyone" - at least now I can say I view up to 49 blogs a week.
We'll try not to lose any sleep over it.
I had a lot of free time today so coming and reading all the posts most of the day and had a good read. I also went to Crown Princess Marie Chantal of Greece blog and most of the day I was laughing my butt off. To the admin's great job. This morning when I came here my son saw the picture of the pig and said moo. I think someone or some people have to much time on their hands. If that's advocating for the Gosselin children then I missed something.
Thanks NMD for posting this and doing a great job at moderating and commenting. Someone stated that I probably wish that I never had gotten involved in this mess. That is an understatement.
I have met some great people through this blog. They are educated, intelligent, thoughtful and caring people. What is important to remember here is that we all have real lives with families, professions and other interests. This blog is not our lives but just an entertaining diversion at times. We have no other reason to come here than that.
That being said, I want to point out that I am not bothered by the many pranks that have been pulled by Manda and her friends. The people in my life that matter do not even see these things, nor would they care if they did.
I truly believe that as time goes on they look more pathetic and their actions say more about them than the people they target.
On a different note:
Mom of Five said "What I do object to is calling people names or being rude for the sake of being rude."
Although it has been erased on the Shrew blog, you have done this plenty against this blog. We are just "vile" people aren't we? You absolutely had no basis for that.
You joined a mob mentality immediately. It didn't matter what info you were privy to. Most of our bloggers were not privy to any inside info but in their gut they knew Penn Mommy was a fake (how could you not?)They did not call you all names for falling for that crap. And we are the sheeple?
Brother, if that website doesn't sum up the maturity and intelligence level of the average GWoPper, I don't know what does.
Seriously, who gives a rat's ass? Don't even sweat it. It's too childish to even get worked up about.
Wow ...
That blog sure is a snapshot of the collective moderators at GwoP.
The PM drama is such a predictable part of this Gosselin hate fest.
GWOP repeatedly sent out the battle cry of ....
Give us your Gosselin dirt! And predictably, PM gave them exactly what they asked for.
NMD, awesome response. Your humor is a much needed break in this drama.
My first thought when I saw this was, is this Jr. High? How mature.
This takes GWoP to a whole new level of low.
I think we all agree the pig blog is petty and gratuitous. I hadn't noticed the pig with your name fiona. Not very adult-like behavior but the past couple of weeks has seen alot of that.
I do believe though the name calling extended to both sides of this argument.
We obviously all feel strongly about our opinions.
I will certainly extend my apologies for anything I may have said that offended or hurt feelings.
As for nina bell's comment:
Most of our bloggers were not privy to any inside info but in their gut they knew Penn Mommy was a fake (how could you not?)
Speaking for myself, the reason I 'could not' understand how PM could be a fake, is perhaps because I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Obviously that is harder to do with the internet as you aren't able to talk to people face to face and ascertain tone, gestures, etc. Though I am aware of the many scams circulating in cyberspace, I was totally in the dark that this particular disception had been perpetrated before.
Well, shame on me. I learned something.
As I said in another comment, I do appreciate you allowing my comments through. Hopefully we all agree that as adults we should be able to DIS-agree without resorting to name calling and personal attacks.
PS-At some point perhaps marci might consider copying and pasting my user name if she needs to direct a comment my way again.
momof5:
Your hypocrisy is astonishing. You seriously want to discuss posting things just for the sake of being rude? You frequent/post/support a blog titled "kate is a shrew". Rude much? Whether you like Kate or not that goes beyond rude, not to mention all the posts about how horrible this site for revealing a truth you were all too blind to see, even with the truth slapping you in the face- not bc of your big hearts but rather bc you didnt wat to admit being wrong. You and the rest of the minions have just recently stopped attacking this site for being such heartless, cold, childish liars. How about an apology from your charming little hate group? You have quite the audacity to come here and preach about anyone being rude.
Wow. This pretty much has run its course as a useful discussion, it almost seems to me. But if it helps you, great.
Anyway, I too wondered about Serena. And FYI--I used to go to GWoP a few times a day and now it's about twice a week. I've sent in normal comments and direct emails to moderators about if they are going to address the PennMommy thing and guess what? Never posted and never answered.
People are basically trusting and want to post somewhere they think their information is accurate. When it is discovered it's not, it is kind of a blow. I feel I've wasted hours over at GWoP and have noticed it seems taken over by a strong group of "hateful" mods. They simply could have posted a "PennMommy is not real and we are not going to dwell on that issue" and it would have addressed it. Instead, they chose to pretend it didn't happen. Public Relations 101--don't deny. Address the situation immediately and MOVE ON.
Cincymom, I feel the same way.
I feel that they pushed pm's story without verifing it. The readers trust them, they think they are getting facts. It seems to me after they erased anything pennmommy on that blog without addressing it that they are basically saying that they don't want to be associated with that mess because they don't want to lose credibility, and that all of the readers that participated in the outpouring of sympathies to pm should just get over it. They won't give any answers because it may cause the future readers to question any other "insiders" they might have, which they should.
I personally think that is a big mistake on their part because they left the readers no choice but to look for answers on other blogs, and in doing so some have come to see that gwop is really only concerned about pushing an agenda with no loyalty at all to the people who have been with them for so long.
People aren't getting the whole story there, it's just a lot of spin. They are turning out "sheeple" daily and treating their readers like idiots.
What really pisses me off is that our name is still being dragged through the mud by Possum Momma's atheist friends who want to protect her from the fall-out of all of this. Quite frankly, at this point, if they want to make the argument that Penn and Possum are different people, fine. But don't try to perpetuate the lie that there is a Jason at USC that died. So many people have come forward saying no student at USC died that week. Possum's blogging community even goes as far as to say "Penn Mommy may have exaggerated her contact with the Gosselins" or something along those lines. So, 'may' have lied about knowing the Gosselins but didn't lie about a dead son?
It's painfully obvious why Possum needs to keep this lie going. I just hope that people don't fall for it twice.
If we're a cult, then what is GWoP? GWoP, a site that Possum Momma was DEFINITELY involved in. My dad always says "Don't piss on my hat and tell me it's raining." That's exactly what's going on here.
I originally posted this lovely article with the intention shedding some humor on a ridiculous attempt at mockery. I agree with cincymom, though. It has created no meaningful discussion.
So, if you want to come to the table and discuss, I don't care what your s/n is or where you normally post, come and talk like an adult. After having an actual discussion, if you can still say we're vile, rabid Gosselin fans then so be it. I don't think you will come to that conclusion, though.
I personally think that is a big mistake on their part because they left the readers no choice but to look for answers on other blogs, and in doing so some have come to see that gwop is really only concerned about pushing an agenda with no loyalty at all to the people who have been with them for so long.
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You hit the nail on the head!
I originally posted this lovely article with the intention shedding some humor on a ridiculous attempt at mockery. I agree with cincymom, though. It has created no meaningful discussion.
Nmd, I think you did a very good job of making light of something that was suppose to be an insult, and pointing out the immaturity behind it.
I don't necessarily come here for "meaningful" discussion anyway. I appreciate it when it comes, but we're talking about a reality show. It's not that serious. Like nina said, this is an entertaining distraction for most of us, and I truly appreciate a good laugh when I can get it and the pig blog is too stupid not to be funny.
Welcome to the wallow, Fiona! lmao
What kind of mind thinks that such junk shows any kind of worthwhile 'advocacy'?
Lori Drew? Maybe the losers that created that blog are going to her for blogging advice.
I'm a little confused. I thought I had been following this drama pretty closely, but I don't get the seekret message board reference and the link doesn't explain anything. I have heard the seekret message board mentioned in other places, but I don't understand how it fits in here. Also, the picture isn't familiar to me. Could someone please expand on these references.
hbic8u,
Thank-you.
Having gone thru such muck, I was truly amazed at how respectful people have treated me here, mostly Nina Bell and the other mods.
While I haven't seen eye to eye with everything here in the past, I got so tired of the mean, vile hatred that was ALWAYS associated with another site.
I grew numb to the whole situation.
I didn't care anymore if Jon and Kate were honest or not, if they got freebies, where Alexis slept.
I certainly don't care if people don't like Kate's hair or if she has gotten veneers.
What I do care about are the kids. And in the end will the other site have done more harm than good? My personal opinion, is yes, I think it has.
Julie/Jodi-I was once a staunch supporter, but I see it differently now. I think Julie's involvement with PM has destroyed any ounce of reputability that she had. And even at that, Julie has told her sister's story, she should just fade away.
So what, Jodi had to pay for half a cow. Was it really expected that she get it for free? We all know that those freebies were part of Jon and Kate's "pay" at the time.
To me that is petty stuff. Whatever Jodi's reason for going along with Kate, she is a grown woman. If she was walked on, taken advantage of, she has no one to blame but herself.
Jodi has a voice. If Jodi has been offended or done wrong, then if it means enough to HER, speak for yourself. Julie is not your Cyrano.
To much hate is a dangerous thing. It brings out the worst in people, especially if that is the POV you are only allowed to discuss.
Balance/schmalance over here...a good thing.
OINK!
I don't understand why people are taking this thing so seriously. If someone starts "dragging your screenname through the mud" then get a new screenname.
People need to remember this isn't real life. Being popular online isn't going to get you anywhere.
Now for the PM thing, I think it's been blown out of proportion too. I believed the story at first and it taught me a valuable lesson about trusting what you read on the internet. Truthfully, I found it all fascinating when the truth came to light. No real hard was done on my part because I'm not stupid enough to actually send money to someone I don't know (and don't know through someone). I think the people that would send money to someone like that are the same people that would send their social security to a thief online when they get an email saying Bank of America lost their info. I do feel bad for the people that prayed for PM, but God knows their true intentions (good) and that's all that matters in the end.
Why people are getting SO angry about you said this, no you said this is beyond me.
Lonnyswife. Even those of us who doubted PM from earlier on than some have learned something from this whole mess. If anything "good" can from this, it is just to double check our assumptions on what information we trust from online sources. And I definately include myself in that category.
NMD, I too have seen some of the backpeddling and misrepresentation you talk about. I know we do not want to become the "PM" site and we chosen not to respond to the allegations. It's still very aggravating. And the people who should be most angry? Those who she took for a ride until the bitter end. I am sure they are still getting over and shock and hurt she has caused and now she and her "friends" have the nerve to keep this up? Unreal.
Fiona, I agree with everything in your last post. Well said.
So what, Jodi had to pay for half a cow. Was it really expected that she get it for free? We all know that those freebies were part of Jon and Kate's "pay" at the time.
This story is most likely false. I only say this because Julie was informed that Kate got the cow for free from PENN MOMMY. Who we all know is a fraud. So, that's just an example of how "truth" is spread through the internet.
but I don't get the seekret message board reference and the link doesn't explain anything. I have heard the seekret message board mentioned in other places, but I don't understand how it fits in here. Also, the picture isn't familiar to me. Could someone please expand on these references.
Marly, sorry, it is confusing. A few months back, there was (and still is) a poster here who was a former staunch GWoPer. She was a member of what she referred to as a secret message board (not everyone who posts at GWoP is a member, you have to be invited). She stated that what was written on GWoP was mild in comparison to what is written on this secret message board.
For weeks, people like dear Mandapants (above) came over here and called her a liar. Repeatedly. Most of the comments were bitter, personal attacks and did not make it through moderation.
Finally, one night (the same night that the Aunt Jodi video was posted) this poster had enough. GWoP had literally bombarded this site. The poster mentioned something about the secret board, was again called a liar. She then said "F it" and posted the link to the board.
To say that this group was angry that the link was posted is putting it mildly. The pictures that I asked if people recognized were posted on the secret message board in the same spot that the comic and picture of the building is posted right now. They basically confirmed that it was them.
They were so angry, they proceeded to exact their revenge. They found out the posting id of the poster here (their former poster) and then attempted to post blog entries that she had written over there that revealed personal information about her. They also continuously attempted to out her s/n there, over here.
When their attempts to do so failed here, they revealed her info on a pop wrap article. This did not produce a desired response from the poster, I suppose. Just a few days ago, they revealed the same info on another anti-gosselin blog.
This is the type of crap we deal with on a regular basis. Yet, we are the "vile, rabid, Gosselin cult." It's actually kind of laughable if you think about it.
I just re-read that comment. I wrote it pretty quickly and I realize now that things may be unclear. Let me know if you have questions.
NMD,
If I am not mistaken that half cow reference did come from Julie doing one of her posting sessions on PM's blog. She said in reference to Jodi having to pay for a very expensive item that was part of the show....she said, don't ask me what it is because I won't tell you, and another anon poster said it was the cow.
However, you are right, we don't know for sure, other than it was Julie who made the reference.
Were they posting phone numbers and such, or just email?
I've posted here before under other names, but the situation explained by NMD is why I decided I had to go completely anonymous with my screenname and email attached to it.
People are c-r-a-z-y!
Fiona,
If I had access to her blog, I could show you. PM posted something about getting the cow for free in one of her earlier blog entries. Julie responded saying something like "Jodi and I always suspected that she got that for free but never had confirmation until now."
I do wish I could show you but I know for certain that I saw that on on the site.
NMD, if you sign up for Google Reader and subscribe to the old PM link, the entries will still come up (even though it's deleted).
Derby,
I guess getting a new screen name might be the easiest thing to do, but it also seems like a cowardly thing to do.
I think it is important that when you get knocked down you get back up-and also, if people change their minds about certain things or question the motives behind all the Gosselin maddness-that is OK too.
Hope that makes sense.
Anya, thanks!
NMD, what is a pop wrap article? So you are saying that GwoP gave out her personal information-more than an email/IP?
Does she still post here?
NMD,
Good enough. Thanks for clarifying.
Derby,
How do you sign up for google reader?
Derbydem,
As far as I know, there were no phone numbers given. They just took posts that she had written there and posted them for all to see.
These posts included information about personal relationships and personal, real life situations she had experienced. The posts were meant to show the 'character' of the person and were basically an attack. Its kind of like this (think high school):
1. You and your friend are doing something wrong together.
2. You decide you don't want to be a part of it and let people know what the friend is doing.
3. As a result, the friend spreads gossip all over the school about you and twists things you've told that person to make you look bad.
4. Everyone gets a laugh at your expense and you are labeled whatever nasty label people decide suites you.
5. The people who are doing the "wrong" thing continue to do the wrong thing but continue to "attack' the person who dared to speak out.
Really, all of this is so high school. It's unbelievable but it is easy to get caught up in.
(as far as google reader, I'll look into that)
So NMD, was the person outed posting mean and hateful things about the Gosselin's or just this site, and other posters?
Do you think that had anything to do with Serena leaving GWoP?
Have you even considered not allowing Anon comments?
I have noticed that elsewhere, hardly anyone uses their screen name anymore.
Why do you suppose that is?
alright, I deleted my last comment because I do not want 3 in a row. I just wanted to say that all traces of the penn mommy blog, including cached versions and/or google reader versions are gone. Just checked.
Interesting point.
As far as me, I do feel some bit of hurt when mean and untrue things are said about me.
I think especially in the blog world it is probably more of what you described.
Certain posters who write cleverly get praised, they post more, they get their own blog....
Fiona,
No the person's outed postings had nothing to do with the Gosselins or any site. It had to do with her personal life situation. Stories she told people she perceived, at the time, to be friends (or at least that she was friendly with). Posting the information was purely malicious.
As far as if/why Serena left GWoP, I have no idea. I don't think it is in any way connected with the secret board thing. Who knows what really goes on there. I don't know that I want to get into their heads.
We currently don't allow anon comments any longer. If you look down when you go to sign a post, the option for anon has been removed (effective Monday). We are trying this out and, since it's implementation, trolling has decreased (though hasn't disappeared entirely)
Didn't Serena start GWoP? It's almost like there was a coupe. Can you imagine Nina being overthrown? :-)
LOL! Nina is not going down without a fight :-)
nomoredrama, thank you for taking the time to explain things. Wow, just when I think there is no way this whole situation could get more out of control, it does! I totally agree on the high school mentality.
Derbydem,
Overthrown?? I probably couldn't give it away!
Hi Guys -
There was another poster from TwoP who posted mainly about Kate's supposed Narcisstism. She posted at GwoP but under screen name.
Do we know for sure that Serena has left GwoP? Could she be posting under a new screen name? Could she be taking a break?
Linda, was that Preesi? I remember when I first got into the Gosselin blogosphere months ago, Preesi was rather notorious for her hatred of Kate Gosselin. I've wondered if she has really disappeared or if not, what name she is now posting under.
But honestly, I have trouble keeping all those people straight. The game of identifying sockpuppets and aliases is too confusing for me to spend much time on.
What really pisses me off is that our name is still being dragged through the mud by Possum Momma's atheist friends who want to protect her from the fall-out of all of this.
I would argue only that the fact that they are atheists has nothing to do with it. They’re her friends. Though they are apparently painting this blog as Christian J&K fanatics, which is…rather silly. But whatever. I don’t know who is a sockpuppet, who is just misinformed and who is willfully blind at this point. I’m trying not to care. It’s a little hard when people are posting lies and half-truths about you online. Geez, that’s what got me into talking about the Gosselins online in the first place, except in that case I was defending total strangers on a TV show. I don’t know that there is a point in trying to defend myself because people are going to believe what they want to believe. We’ve put the information out there; people can do what they want with it at this point.
Quite frankly, at this point, if they want to make the argument that Penn and Possum are different people, fine. But don't try to perpetuate the lie that there is a Jason at USC that died. So many people have come forward saying no student at USC died that week. Possum's blogging community even goes as far as to say "Penn Mommy may have exaggerated her contact with the Gosselins" or something along those lines. So, 'may' have lied about knowing the Gosselins but didn't lie about a dead son?
Well, exactly. If Possummomma had tried to claim that her identity had been stolen by an enemy attempting to do her harm, I might’ve entertained the idea of believing it, possibly. She sure does seem to have a lot of enemies, anyway! But when she claims Penn Mommy is really and Jason is real, the whole story falls apart. At this point, when any of her friends defend her, I really do either suspect that they are sockpuppets (this whole business is making me quite paranoid) or extremely invested in believing things that are rather obviously not true.
So, if you want to come to the table and discuss, I don't care what your s/n is or where you normally post, come and talk like an adult. After having an actual discussion, if you can still say we're vile, rabid Gosselin fans then so be it. I don't think you will come to that conclusion, though.
Yes, exactly.
Can I ask a "fill-me-in-question, please?" If this gets through (it's off-topic, sort of) this is for Fiona:
Is the Fiona posting here, the same Fiona who was posting at GWoP? I've seen so many Fiona postings, esp. at PM's blog. I was reading PM's blog when "Will/PM/Possumomma" mentioned Fiona's 13 screen names. What was up with that? Didn't Fiona "belong" to GWop back in the spring? I wasn't reading this stuff back then but I have since looked at posts from the Spring and have seen Fiona posts that are different in tone and style from the current Fiona posts here.
Disclaimer: I am only asking, not accusing. I have found the 'Fiona fiasco' to be the most confusing aspect of my Gosselin hobby. I can't tell you how hard I have tried to figure Fiona out!
NMD-
GWOP never ceases to amaze me, honestly with themo posting personal info of the blogger you mentioned its like the site is being run by vicious 15 year old girls. It's sad really. The fact that they consider a gossipy-hate site child advocacy is laughable. If it werent for them posting Mr. Peterson's articles there would be zippo "advocacy" whatsoever.
While cruising the blogs today I came across this latest little thing. I found the link to the pigs at Berlzebub's I think it was. So given their very outspoken criticism of this blog, I thought one of the people there had created it or that possummomma did it. You know for sure who set it up?
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Is the Fiona posting here, the same Fiona who was posting at GWoP? I've seen so many Fiona postings, esp. at PM's blog. I was reading PM's blog when "Will/PM/Possumomma" mentioned Fiona's 13 screen names.
Fiona can speak for herself, of course, but I just want to point out the fallacy of bringing in anything that was posted by 'PennMommy' or 'William'. All of that is meaningless, like Kate's stolen 'yoghurt', so why bring up 'William's' comment about fiona having '13 screen names'?
Can I also add, that as long as a poster here is offering their opinions, and not telling 'real-life' stories to bolster those opinions, or using real-life 'identities' to magically transform their opinions into 'TRUTH', what does it matter who they are or where they have posted?
Is the Fiona posting here, the same Fiona who was posting at GWoP? I've seen so many Fiona postings, esp. at PM's blog. I was reading PM's blog when "Will/PM/Possumomma" mentioned Fiona's 13 screen names.
I don't know all of the details of this situation, but I would tend to take anything "William" said with a grain of salt. Several of the screen names he listed belonged to posters who have been around for some time. Whether Fiona has been using these names, I couldn't know, but "William" did take time out of his grieving to apologize to luvs2sun (if that wasn't a tipoff that something was wrong, I dunno what was)for calling her out as one of Fiona's aliases.
Bottom line, if it was said by pennmommy/william/becky hass/jhawksgirl or any other of her aliases, it's best to assume it was bs like everything else.
All of that is meaningless, like Kate's stolen 'yoghurt', so why bring up 'William's' comment about fiona having '13 screen names'?
At the time (if I remember correctly) Fiona was trying to find out if PM was real or not. She might not have gone about it the way many people would, but looking back on it I can see why someone would question it. At the time, many people had the wool over their eyes or whatever the saying was. After extensive questioning (visible and supposedly) Fiona was branded a "crazy" person.
However, now that we know the person formally known as Penn Mommy had multiple aliases, it's not really far fetched to assume that 1) the extent of the posts and emails were being made up and 2) there might have been some fraud on behalf of the blog admin to make it look like Fiona was posting more than she really was.
Only Fiona knows for sure, but the latest turn of events really brings up a lot of questions about the validity of everything!
And I might add that any controversy concerning PennFraud and other people was most likely a ploy to bring the heat off of them and focus the attention elsewhere.
Sorry if I'm getting back on the topic again! Doh! I just love conspiracy theories.
Saint,
I will answer your question.
I am Fiona, to my knowledge the only "Fiona" posting on Gosselin Sites.
I started posting as Fiona on GWoP. I found it after posting 2 times on TWoP. I got the boot because I asked online how to quote a post.
I honestly cannot remember how I discovered the link to GWoP.
I posted alot at first, even asked Serena and Sharla what I could do to help. They told me I could help with the sponser list.
This blog came online and I didn't like some of the posts over here. I posted a few times as Fiona, and a few times anon.
When PM's blog came up I was very interested. People called me out for the way I questioned PM on certain things. Yes, I wanted the scoop, but had a feeling about her authenticity from the get go-as well as her motive.
When she started to accuse me of emailing her that is when I personally knew something was up. I mean, come on, one knows if they sent an email, right?
I denied that accusation and she asked me to email her, that someone had given her a link or something like that with Fiona posting awful comments about her.
I asked her for her email, but she never responded to that.
I think it was "William" who claimed the 13 identities. It was he who also said Fiona was calling the hospital and continuing to send his "mother" hateful emails.
Bohemain Moon perpetuated that lie and I called her out on to the best of my ability. But I believe she was dead set on believing what William was telling her.
Even still she continues with the inuendos about me.
I think I was the "chosen" one because I was fairly outspoken in my first posts at GWoP-I was a hater.
I started seeing my posts copied and pasted, being made fun of-well, after reading some of those posts again, they were a bit over the top.
My stand is still anti Jon and Kate. My observation is that they are crummy parents and I don't think they are doing right by their kids.
However, you might say that for the rest, I am walking in the middle.
Julie, PM (real or fake), the hate sites, people saying they will never by a Proctor and Gamble product, dissecting a family picture to death, I read that stuff now and I laugh.
People are too vested, to mean.
I get that blogging is a hobby, a time waster-but I think it is gone too far.
I still watch Jon and Kate and most likely will till they pull the plug. I feel sorry for Mady and Cara, I can't imagine what the tups will think when the camera crew leaves. But big picture, there are people in my own town that need more attention than the Gosselins.
Sorry I rambled, but I wanted to make sure you or anyone else knew where I stood.
Sorry if I am repeating...
But if you want to get on google reader you have to have to have either a google account or a blogger account.
Getting a google account- look up google, get on the page go to reader in the upper left hand corner click on it. It will ask you to sign in or sign up. then it will take you to google reader. Go to browse feeds and type in support of the truth and pennmommy's blog will come up but not the comments.
Getting to it in blogger, sign in and go to your dashboard. Go to the bottom of the page and in the middle section tools and resources you will see google reader. Click on it and it will automatically take you there.
Hope this helps. Sorry to keep bringing up pennmommy site. i know some people are still sour about it.
Thank you, Fiona (and others.) I appreciate my questions being answered. It is clear to me.
SamanthaNC said...
momof5:
Your hypocrisy is astonishing. You seriously want to discuss posting things just for the sake of being rude? You frequent/post/support a blog titled "kate is a shrew". Rude much?
-I don't know-are you hypocritical for frequenting this site where rude things are posted and you just did to me what you are trying to accuse me of doing to others?
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Whether you like Kate or not that goes beyond rude, not to mention all the posts about how horrible this site for revealing a truth you were all too blind to see, even with the truth slapping you in the face- not bc of your big hearts but rather bc you didnt wat to admit being wrong.
-I never posted anything saying this site was horrible for revealing whatever truths you are speaking of-I expressed shock at the manner in which it was done.
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You and the rest of the minions have just recently stopped attacking this site for being such heartless, cold, childish liars. How about an apology from your charming little hate group? You have quite the audacity to come here and preach about anyone being rude.
-The rudeness I was referring to was that of a poster attacking another person (3F) for something they had nothing to do with. It was a childish comment and I addressed it. I am not part of any 'hate groups' and have no idea what you are referencing. If anyone has proven how rude they can be, I would say you have just done it.
Thanks Mom of 5 for your perspective. Now let's move on and get off this topic.
I agree, the bickering back and forth is meaningless.
WOW, I am stunned at the content of that website. I never could understand the animosity they directed toward J & K, and now I'm really at a loss about the same hatred and animosity directed towards us. That kind of negative emotion reallys sucks up your life and energy. I choose to never visit their websites or to even discuss them again. Life is too short to carry all that hatred around. Thanks for a great blog and have a great day!
Going back to those who have subscribed to the J&K rumor mill over the last few months...
I read back on that other site to the beginning. There was a poster named bananabethanna who claimed to be an insider and told the story of J&K non-acceptance of gently-used goods, etc.
Julie enters shorty thereafter and her blog goes public (for the record, I believe Julie is who she says she is). Julie does make a reference to not knowing bananabethanna on the other blog.
Then the opposum enters and makes a few statements about K and her matchy matchy clothes on the children for 4th of July.
The opposum later reveals to 'know' bananabethanna and says something about someone in the G circle finding her (banana) out, so she's laying low, etc.
So, my question is....
Was this banana person one of the first to mention the whole used clothes thing? Because, if she was, look how far this possible rumor has gone?
As far as the opposum 'knowing' banana, etc., makes me wonder how much of all this crap we are reading on the internet about the Gs is really true?
I think it's a little scary that so many people "claim" to be insiders and people believe them - lovers, haters and everyone in between.
To "piggy" back (lol) on what other commenters have said above, we should take everything we read, see or hear with a grain of salt.
Anyone else want to cancel their subscription to the rumor mill? I know after the last few weeks, I do.
Yesterday, I was reading an article in this week's People on Cheryl Burke (pro dancer on Dancing with the Stars) and the horrible things being said about her weight on the Internet and in tabloids. She's actually ......gasp.....a SIZE FOUR, now! I also watched "Shut Up and Sing" last night on Starz, which chronicles the hate mail and bloggers who basically tried to ruin the Dixie Chicks career (as well as threatening them with physical harm) over Natalie Maines' comments about the President.
Unfortunately, with the Internet, comes the cowards who will say and do anything, thinking that they're safe behind the cloak of anonymity. Some go beyond basic human decency and into personal attacks and threats (and I think J&K are experiencing that right now).
The pig blog? I actually pity the people who came up with it. They obviously have the mental capacity of a snow pea and the maturity of a sixth grade Mean Girls clique. Let them have their fun. It's too ridiculous to take seriously, anyway. Everyone is seeing their true colors by posting it.
I agree, mom, and I think that the only bright spot in this whole pm mess is that we are all now painfully aware of how easy it is for someone to make up and carry out such an elaborate hoax, and that we need to be a little more careful in who we trust and what we believe.
Maybe now people will be more careful of spreading rumors as fact until they can truly be verified.
But probably not.
Morecowbell,
I just wanted to comment on how AWESOME your screen name is!! That SNL skit is one of the funniest things I have ever watched on that show. Christopher Walken and Will Farrell are hilarious.
If you like Chritopher Walken, check out the You tube video of him reading "The Three Little Pigs". Hysterical!
Love Christopher Walken and HOW APPROPRIATE the Three Little Pigs reading is, considering the subject matter of this blog entry! Smirk.
"Love Christopher Walken and HOW APPROPRIATE the Three Little Pigs reading is, considering the subject matter of this blog entry! Smirk."
LOL! Didn't even realize the irony of that until you pointed it out. Too Funny!
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