Wednesday, May 13, 2009

Radar Online Exclusive Interview with Kevin and Jodi

Radar Online- Exclusinve Interview with Kevin and Jodi.

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AAP said...

Is it just me - I don't think that these people look like Kevin and Jodi at all.

Nina Bell said...

AAP

That would be just you.

SamanthaNC said...

Its definitley them. I had this on the other thread but Im ccopying it here.

Ok. Wow. Jodi and Kevin are acting like they're on Oprah, "urging" Jon and Kate to do what's right, how noble. You're on RADAR online people. Seriously. No matter what is going on with Jon and Kate its their place to reveal-or not reveal, their marriage status. Gag me.

Grayce said...

Just watched it. That did it. I'm done, no more posting EVER regarding J&K.

the rubber necking is over. I simply don't care what happens anymore. IMO, THE HATERS WIN, I'M SURE THEY'LL THROW A PARTY. WHATEVER.

OF COURSE I hope the kids are ok, I don't mean them.

Done.Done.Done. Thanks for allowing me to post on your blog Nina, see you in another blog life!

Anya said...

I see a little bit what you mean, AAP. I think Jodi looks like she had a professional hairstylist and make-up person work on her. Kevin isn't as hot as I remember him!

I don't understand what they think they are accomplishing. If they have known about this for "six months" why speak up now?

Perhaps Kevin & Jodi are on "Jon's side" in all this and think they are helping him?

I am saddened that some of the rumors might be true and I am sorry to see Kevin & Jodi, who I always liked, go this route....

AAP said...

OK - I haven't seen the in quite some time, so it's possible that it is them, but I think 1) Jodi looks much heavier than she did on camera - her face seems fuller, 2)her behavior is the complete opposite of how she acted on Julie's video, where she was very nervous, and Jodi's come across as a little high strung to me, even on the show - the person on the tape looks like she's quite comfortable in front of the camera and 3) I find the part where she whispers something to be odd and theatrical, and not the way normal people talk.

It's not that I'm in denial and don't want to believe it's them, but I really don't think these people look like I remember them.

Pearly said...

Wow... way to support your family. I don't care how much crap has happened between Jodi,Kevin,Kate & Jon, that gives them no reason to sell out family to the rags. It's unfortunate that they just want a piece of the pie. This family is going through enough already. Of course Jon is going to claim he thinks Kate is also having an affair to get the heat off of him. This is really begining to be sickening!

LoriNJ1970 said...

It's really sad to see a family appearing to implode like this.

Maybe I'm naive but I don't see how talking to Star and Radaronline helps the kids.

AAP I do see what you mean. Both Kevin and Jodi look different. No question it's them though.

Illinois Mom said...

I am speechless. And sickened.

Wendy said...

If it forces them off the air then it's helping the kids!

Fanny said...

I have a feeling that this is Jon using Kevin and Jodi to "take her down". If it's true, how pissed off would you be if your hubby gave you permission to date other people but when the truth came out, acted as though they were the victim. Kate could have just kept her mouth shut but instead she's talking to anyone who will listen, playing the poor cheated on wife.

So, Jon gets the bad press, the marriage is over anyway, and the only thing he can do to stop Kate from making him look worse is involve Saint Jodi because everyone would listen to her. If people believe Jodi(I think they will), they may just get out of that contract with TLC after all. I think Jon may have finally gotten a brain.

lulubae said...

This is vile and disgusting.

Those poor children. They need people they can trust and nurture around them and nobody in this family is up to task.

Selling out your family to the media for public ridicule. That's just low. These things will forever be public record. How will these children understand the crap their parents are doing and spewing out? Their aunt and uncle? Who stands up for them?

This just makes me sick to my stomach and I don't understand why. They are not my family. Ugh. I'm just spent.

lulubae said...

If it forces them off the air then it's helping the kids! I'm sorry but I don't agree. This whole situation only shows that the kids have nobody looking out for their best interest. The adults are mudslinging left and right without realizing that these children cannot comprehend at this point in their lives WTF is going on. Yes, the show needs to be off the air. I agree. But Jodi and Kevin's actions, IMHO, are not such that I would commend in that capacity.

Trish said...

I am truly scratching my head right now.
Why Kevin and Jodi would do this is mind boggling to me.
Even if this whole Jon/Kate realtionship was a HUGE farce...what good could possibly come from airing the dirty laundry. How in the world is that helping anyone...especially the children.
Any career Kate has been fostering will be sorely handicapped now.
Kate, no matter what they think of her, will need to financially support eight children...why make that more difficult for her. I know they seem to be set right now as far as money goes, but that will eventually run out.

Anya said...

Wendy said...
If it forces them off the air then it's helping the kids!
.........

I think that is wishful thinking. If anything, Kevin & Jodi are contributing to the frankly out-of-control publicity machine that is no doubt going to generate the biggest ratings ever when the show premieres.

I am not giving Kate a free pass. I think her priorities at this point look skewed. That's from the outside looking in with limited information, but I don't think this is a healthy environment for anyone at this point.

Jacelynn said...

Holy Heavens! Just watched the video and AAP, its definitely them. Trish I agree, why would Jodi and Kevin want to get involved in this? It makes no sense.

marci said...

There's not ONE person in this family who's thinking about the welfare of these children in this mess.

Kevin and Jodi (presumably) trying to force the Gosselins off the air by spreading the smut (which most likely they got directly from Jon), or just finally having ammunition to lash back after months of speculation about them, is BULLSHIT.

How is confirming to the world your parents are both cheaters going to help the Gosselin kids???

It's not like this revelation is the equivalent of an emotional band-aid...one quick pull and the sting of the truth will only hurt the kids for a second.

I'm not positive, but I'm getting the distinct sense that Jon and Kate are approaching this situation from completely different "camps"....with their own advisors and agendas. And instead of, like the average kids of divorce, having to watch it play out in private when their parents behave badly during a split, the Gosselin kids are having their parents' bad behavior documented for all time.

Didn't someone here already ask themselves ....

Why do I care again???

Oh, yeah......the kids.

Sigh.

Trish said...

For the first time ever to me, Jodi didn't quite as syrupy sweet to me...she had a little bit more of a vindictive air to me. JMO :)

marci said...

And....gee....Jodi doesn't come across as all sugar and spice anymore, does she?

Way to go, Jodi. I knew you had it in you.

"cheater"

marci said...

Trish,

Jinx. ;)

MoreCowbell said...

I don't understand what they think they are accomplishing. If they have known about this for "six months" why speak up now? Monetary gain?

Jealousy? That new house is pretty sweet, after all. It's like having a relative that wins the lottery. At first, family members are excited for them. The fame, the MONEY...and sometimes the notoriety rubs off, too. "Hey, aren't you related to that family that won the lottery?"

But, after awhile, the fame wears off. The family members realize that their five seconds of fame in the winner's shadow is over, and hey...they're not sharing all that dough! Suddenly the lottery winners "have changed," and become "too big for their britches," and are "greedy."

Whatever the reason here, it's sad that the brother that you named your child after, would stoop to this. But, color me unsurprised. It seems that everyone involved with the family at one time or another is now jockeying for position at the trough of the feeding frenzy. And on some lowly internet site? CLAS-SY, Kevin and Jodi!

Baby Mama said...

I said this on my own blog and I wish to repeat it if I may...

Now that the Kreider's are getting PAID is the only time they are speaking up. Whatever they say therefore has no credibility to me. Whatever they say is only adding to 4 yes 4 magazine covers this week. I already asked the question as to why they come out now. Why slander this family now? Because your still mad you weren't paid? Weren't you taking care of the children because you love them and wanted to help Kate? If you love Kate so much, why are you slamming her now? I thought you were supposed to be loving and caring for the children? Are you protecting them and loving them now when your on a rag magazine talking smack about them? How would the twins feel that your telling all these stories about their parents? Would you like that done to your own children. Maddy loved Benny so much, you pretty much secured that little girl never seeing him again. But you got paid, so it doesn't matter! I thought you didn't care about money?

From what was said on other blogs they were offered compensation later and refused. Why? Because it came with a confidentiality clause, and Jodi refused to sign it in case she hit pay dirt on a scandal regarding the family. Guess she won out after all. I put Deanna's brother and Jodi now in the same company.

Trish said...

Marci...he he...;)

Guinevere said...

Maybe we'll get to hear about Kevin and Jodi's marital troubles next, since they are public figures now. (I'm not just imagining that, am I? There was something about them being in marriage counseling a while ago - maybe it was on Kate's sister's site that she took down.)

I'm disgusted with them. There is no excuse for this and no explanation for it. If they think they are doing what is best for the kids, they are wrong (just as Kate may be wrong in some of the decisions she's made for the kids).

I wonder if Star and Radar Online paid them? I wonder what Julie's involvement in this is?

shawna said...

I think both Jon and Kate should have said "no comment" regarding Jon's affair, Kate should have cancelled all appearances and both should have stayed home and parented those children. I can give Jon some credit for at least laying low and not making an appearance on every talk show and talking twice to People Magazine. I am sorry, their PR people are directing them in the wrong direction!

Oh what a wonderous web we weave.....

marci said...

MCB, BabyMama...

I understand all your points about how tacky Kevin and Jodi's behavior is, and can't say I disagree....at all.

I just can't help but feel there isn't ONE, SINGLE, SOLITARY ADULT in all of this. Not one.

Ugh.

dawn9476 said...

I refuse to watch it. And this just proves that Kevin and Jodi are no better than J&K. How can you say you care for your nieces and nephews and go air out their parents dirty laundry to a tabloid website that has a deal with the octomom?

marci said...

Perhaps it was edited out....but wasn't there also a decided LACK of even mentioning concern for the Gosselin kids' wellbeing from Kevin and Jodi?

They seemed more concerned with making sure the public knows Kate's a cheating spouse than anything else.

OMIGOD, all these people are making me just say, "Eeeeeeeww!"

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Kikibee said...

I believe the bodyguard is married, right? (And possibly has children.) They are not only airing dirty family laundry, they are involving another (possibly totally innocent)man's famiy. Where is the justification for that? Was his wife given a head's up that her husband was going to be publicly accused of cheating on her? Even if it were true, or she also suspected something, she may not want it broadcast like that.
But I guess Kate is so horrible it's worth a few sacrifices to bring her down.

Kuromi said...

Marci, Trish: I too thought Jodi mask of sainthood had slipped. She had this look of viciousness and pure righteous anger at one point (can't remember if it was before or after that weird whispering.) Maybe she's just as domineering a wife as Kate, and forced Kevin to do this :)

BabyMama: Where did you get that info about the confidentiality clause Jodi was asked to sign? I don't remember reading about it (at the time of the allegations I was perusing only GWOP and Julie's blog because I was fascinated by all the righteous anger).

Three Amazing Kids said...

ugh..............


I am with Grayce on this.

I like a lot of the people I have "met" here. Can we just make a fun, happy blog where we can talk about fun things like weight loss, the beach, margaritas, and light stuff.

I can't discuss J&K anymore. Too sad and depressing.

marci said...

However, I suspect Kevin and AJ had the support of Jon before speaking out.Oh, I'm sure they did have Jon's support....especially if Jon wants to make sure everybody knows Kate cheated.

But in any divorce situation, people do tend to take sides. And if they've been out of contact with Kate, how would they know her side of things?

In any other family, admit it, the in-laws spreading the "truth" would be tacky, tasteless and harmful to the kids involved.

Why should Kevin and Jodi get a pass?

Anya said...

Marci said..I'm not positive, but I'm getting the distinct sense that Jon and Kate are approaching this situation from completely different "camps".... ..........

I know, I am getting the same feeling and it is not a good one. I am thinking perhaps Jodi & Kevin are in the Jon camp...?

marci said...Perhaps it was edited out....but wasn't there also a decided LACK of even mentioning concern for the Gosselin kids' wellbeing from Kevin and Jodi? ................

I think Kevin mumbled something at the very end about "the kids." I was actually thankful they didn't talk more about the kids because I wouldn't have believed a word that came out of their mouths in that regard.

Of course, as you pointed out, there was a lot of dirt to cover and I am sure Radar coached them on those topics they wanted covered. After all, they were paying.

marci said...

Kikibee said...
They are not only airing dirty family laundry, they are involving another (possibly totally innocent)man's famiy. Where is the justification for that?VERY good point.

Are Kevin and Jodi so sure of the information Jon supposedly gave them that Kate's cheating they're willing to throw an innocent family into the shredder as well?

Nice. Those halos are slipping.

erin said...

I fail to see how this helps anyone, especially the kids. I don't think anyone is right here--they should all keep their mouths shut to the press and talk to each other like adults. I can't believe anyone would actually cheer this on!

marci said...

Anya,

I think it would have been a little two-faced for Kevin and Jodi to wax sympathetic for the Gosselin childrens' plight as they're busy stoking the tabloid flames themselves...but that's just me.

shawna said...

I am interested in the things that are being said about Kevin and Jodi. It wasn't "nice" the talk badly about Kate a few weeks ago but now it's fine to speak "poorly" of Kevin and Jodi.

Where do you draw the line?

Florida Mom said...

I know I am in the minority, but I like Kevin and Jodi. Just as we don't know what is going on in Jon and Kate's minds, we don't know the reasons Kevin and Jodi coming forward. You can speculate all you want, but there is a possibility that their intentions may be for what they think is the good of the family. They have been privy to more than any of us. I don't think this is the way I would have handled the situation, but I don't know what is going on behind the scenes.
I know, I know, "You never go against the family." Poor Fredo--I mean Kevin.

Denise said...

The part about the crew being so disturbed with what was going on at the Gosselins lept out at me. I knew most of them had left; I wonder if we will hear from them next....

marci said...

shawna said...
I am interested in the things that are being said about Kevin and Jodi. It wasn't "nice" the talk badly about Kate a few weeks ago but now it's fine to speak "poorly" of Kevin and Jodi.

Where do you draw the line?
May I ask where you've read some sweeping statement that this blog, or the majority of posters here, have bemoaned honest criticism of Kate Gosselin?

I ask that because it sounds like you're paiting everyone here with the same brush....that we all share the exact same opinions...and that just wouldn't be accurate.

Why don't you ask that question of the specific poster(s) who you remember saying it wasn't "nice" to talk badly about Kate?

marci said...

Florida Mom,

I have nothing against Kevin and Jodi personally. There's nothing really, until today, that I saw that would lead me to believe they weren't perfectly nice people.

I believe Jon and Kate should be dealing with this privately.

I believe Kevin and Jodi should be dealing with this privately.

I wish one blessed person in this family would act like a responsible adult and put the Gosselin kids' feelings first before they felt the need to get their pound of flesh.

Period.

marci said...

The part about the crew being so disturbed with what was going on at the Gosselins lept out at me. I knew most of them had left; I wonder if we will hear from them next....Oh, Dear God, I hope not.

Illinois Mom said...

Florida Mom-well said! I doubt we will hear from any crew for at least 5 - 10 years. Confidentialty agreements. However, I do believe that the crew has been disturbed by the fighting, I know I have been, as well as certain scenes with the kids.

bigsis88 said...

Marci,

I agree that there don't seem to be any adults in this situation, and that may be a characteristic of their family dynamic that's only being exacerbated by the media attention. I've known people before who would call their family members everything but a child of God and air their dirty laundry to anyone who would listen. I have no idea whether the Gosselins and Kreiders are like that, but I think that in situations like this, people are so concerned about getting their side of the story out first that they aren't prudent about who they talk to.

I have no idea whether J&K will divorce, but it doesn't look like this mess will end anytime soon, and Mady and Cara are old enough to understand infidelity and will probably feel betrayed if those allegations pan out (Jon, at best, has made very bad choices, but the rumors of Kate cheating are bull, IMO). I am in agreement with those who felt that J&K's assurances to the kids that "Mommy and Daddy will be together forever" were strange, and I really hope those words don't come back to bite them.

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Guinevere said...

Could those who believe that Kevin and Jodi are acting in the Gosselin childrens' best interests explain to me how talking to tabloids and gossip sites about alleged affairs does anything for the children? I would be willing to reserve judgment if anyone could come up with an even semi-plausible explanation.

bigsis88 said...

As far as the fighting, I think J&K have (had?) a dysfunctional dynamic that they both perpetuated. People talk about Kate being "mean" to Jon, but IMO he's a grown man and should tell her to stop if he doesn't like it. That doesn't give her a right to disrespect him, but he chooses to respond passive-aggressively, and it appeared to me that he always directed his criticism of Kate's barbs outward (to the camera, to his trainer, now to Kevin & Jodi, etc.). Some people have claimed on blogs that their marriages are the same way, that it works for J&K, and there's nothing wrong with their dynamic. I can't claim to have the overall objective judgment on whether bickering (for lack of a better word) with one's spouse leads to a healthy relationship, but IMO J&K have demonstrated that it doesn't work for them, at least in the long-term.

Denise said...

If Jen and Scott really left because of moral issues; I would think a confidentiality clause would be moot.

They should be required to report the parents' behavior.

12 hours filming to get 15 minutes usable stock?

bigsis88 said...

Nina Bell,

Just did. :-)

Florida Mom said...

Guin,
Kevin and Jodi would have to explain their motives to you. Again, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes. I am just stating my observations that they always seemed to care about the kids. They could just be wonderful actors in a terribly devious plot. They might have finally got a contract with TLC to talk trash and boost ratings.
This whole sorry episode is extremely sad, but at this point their are only eight people I am sure about. Eight unfortunate little people.

Amyin INdy said...

"Kate, no matter what they think of her, will need to financially support eight children...why make that more difficult for her. I know they seem to be set right now as far as money goes, but that will eventually run out."

I agree it will be hard like stated above, but sell the house and live like "normal" people. That is what the kids need. I am afraid those poor kids will never know what normal is! This all just makes me ill. It was reported she is already contracting with Walmart to do a clothing line. So she will not be out of money anytime soon.

Saint said...

I like a lot of the people I have "met" here. Can we just make a fun, happy blog where we can talk about fun things like weight loss, the beach, margaritas, and light stuff.An EXCELLENT idea Three Amazing kids!

AAP said...
Is it just me - I don't think that these people look like Kevin and Jodi at all.
My daughter agrees, AAP. I thought it looked just like them. My daughter thought they looked a lot older.

Well, I used to like Jodi and Kevin. Now I'm not so sure that their onscreen personas portrayed "reality" anymore than Kate's does. That's not the sweet little Aunt Jodi I remember. She accused Kate of having an affair without any proof! I'm shocked. She shouldn't have done that. Did Kate accuse her of something first?

AAP said...

Guin -

I would be willing to reserve judgment if anyone could come up with an even semi-plausible explanation.OK, I am going to take this challenge, even though I agree with you Guin - I don't think Jodi and Kevin had the kids interests in mind at all when they opened their mouths. Just keep in mind you said it had to be only semi-plausible and you have to allow me to accept the things in the tabloids and mags as fact. :)

Before Jon took his picture with the Coeds, life in the Gosselin house was like this. Kate - never around, work work work, interested more in furthering her career than her kids. Jon - SAHD, lacking ambition (in the Utah tapes admits to working out 2 hours/day, recent activities show poor choice in friends), struggling with the public's perception as KON, and finding a new girlfriend he's bringing around the house and spending the night at her house when Kate was not home. If D's brother is in the picture taken at Jon's house, this is not the sort of person I would want around my kids.

Both people are presenting a facade for TV camers and the public. Basically living a lie that had to cause stress and be hard to maintain. No matter how hard you try to hide it, the kids had to feel the tension and be part of the happy family facade as well. It appears that Kate will NEVER stop the show, no matter what happens or how much family members don't like it.

Add the pressure of people seeing details of your personal life on TV several times a day. So basically life in the Gosselin house is not happy for anyone, and Kate shows no signs of stopping, or even caring about the stress this is causing her family. It's all about what Kate wants.

So then the Coed pics come out, which people say really doesn't mean anything. Then the story about the girlfriend comes out. Now people are starting to see the cracks in the facade, and that everything is not as perfect as it seems. The story gets bigger, more people start to believe it is a possibility that Jon has cheated on Kate.

Then come the accusations that Kate has cheated too, which she denies. Up to now, nothing the haters have done has any effect on the popularity of Kon, but with the media attention on them and their public starting to question their marriage, Jodi and Kevin decide this is the perfect time to use the family's national spotlight to come out with their version of the truth in hopes it will FINALLY take Kate down, stating she is a sham. Hopefully it will destroy the reputation she has built as a "super mom", and stop the show and her Christian public speaking career. With the show cancelled, the kids will no longer have their private lives public, stop living the lie John and Kate have created, and for the first time in the tups life, allow them to live as normal life as possible with no cameras following them. Hallelujah!

SamanthaNC said...

The whole thing is sad. I have loved the show, enjoyed watching the kids grow, enjoyed the "Real" interaction between Jon and Kate.

I have thought for a while the show should end- I'm curious to see what will happen with the next season.

It's been said before but the whole thing is such a train wreck- it seems never ending. No doubt more will come to light daily.

I'm sad for them as a family- makes you wonder how things got so far away from it seems they started.

Life can get ugly sometimes. Families fight. Marriages break up. People make mistakes. Life can be ugly- but I believe they will get back on track, whether it's seperately or together.

A Mom-ynous said...

This makes no sense--Jodi had her sister allegedly air her dirty laundry for so long and was too pained to go public but did a very crytic video that was highly generic on her sister's website, but yet here they are calm as a cucumber airing their dedicated testimony to tabloids.

I wonder how much they were paid as I am CERTAIN that Kevin and Jodi didn't go and seek to set out a press release.

Going to go to my source now to see if she can detect any truth telling in this video.

Will post back if/when I hear something.

MrsRef said...

Jon & Kate have ruined their own reputations with their repugnant behavior. They are/were living a lie and it caught up with them. Now I know why the kids weren't allowed in the bedroom. The old house is apparently still on the market - sell the big new one, quit the show and the media blitz and try to live a "normal" life. It sickens me to think that not one adult cares enough about these kids to just keep their mouths shut (including Jon & Kate)

A Mom-ynous said...

I have submitted this to my trusty source for review, but she had a sad happening in her life in the past week so I am unsure if we will get a good reading or not.

I had to detail time markers of things I was curious about in this video.

I am not a human lie detector and my BS detector isn't all up to snuff.

But I did provide her with time markers of things that I questioned.

I don't understand why for example--at the end, they only ask Jon to not trade his marriage for fame and fortune( the show). That really puzzles me as they have been silent since going off of the show aside from Jodi's sister and gumgate.

I also question when they say the production crew came to them with issues of some actions they perceived to be immoral by Jon and Kate. Now--I would have to watch again, but I believe they are referring to on the set b/c they are saying they don't know what to do as they cannot stop it. That tells me they are referring to behavior and not a contract dispute.

That strikes me as odd on so many levels.

The rapport between Kate and the producer does not strike me as one in which the producer would approach Jodi and Kevin in that manner.

Also--I have been on several production crews. While we have been known to be chatty and joke about strange talent--we would have NEVER taken it upon ourselves to comfront them or go behind their back to a family member and address that.

Perhaps it was a well meaning PA who had an issue. But all of us in this world have different levels of what is moral and immoral.

Kevin and Jodi are too...GENERAL...with that statement. As if they know that folks will know what specifically they are talking about.


Jodi also--seems very--uncomfortable with calling Kate a cheater. I can understand that.

The video is full of dissolves from clip to clip--a clear indicator that the piece has been compressed to remove long gaps or maybe give them time to recover from a sensitive statement. (or to keep them on script--who really knows for certain.) Since their relative position never changes--I would have to assume that from a production standpoint that this was a 5-10 minute statement maybe and what clips they wanted they cut down--or it was a straight 3 minute statement with the pauses removed. In either case--it was done in a short span of time.

A few seconds after Jodi does that statement, Kevin then tells a completely brand new statement as though Jodi never said a word. And it is word for word perfect and Jodi just nods in agreement but isn't as uncomfortable as she was before.

I was telling myself--you guys just said that exact thing, why are you saying it again?


I find the video questionable regardless of the validity of the affair(s).


I think they were paid, I think their statement is too rehearsed.

I'm not sure if it is inherently deceptive or not, but I anxiously await the results from a very accurate human lie detector.

She reviewed the Jodi gum-gate statement on her sister's web site in the past and while she had no idea what Jodi was talking about, she shared the same observation that the statements were very generic. Not enough information to detect deception--but lack of detail made her question the validity of Jodi's statements.

We shall see!

But I put much credence into this lady's opinions and hopefully she will provide us with a bit of insight into the human mind and microexpressions or lack of them in this statement. (lack of them is a good thing as it is a sign of honesty.)

Kuromi said...

Denise, on another thread (it's so hard to know where I've posted due to all this stuff coming out at once today) I noted: "Reality" stars and producers from time immemorial (that would be circa 1997 or so, heheh) have said it takes many hours to get a few minutes of usable footage. Consider that the Gs are filmed an estimated 2-4 days a week, up to eight hours a day, to create just one episode. I'm making a broad estimate here; it's possible that in the early seasons it was 2-3 days, and now it's 3-4 days, from what the Gs have said. Regardless, with all that time on film, getting 15 minutes out of a "mere" eight hours would be impressive.

(I'm wondering if Jodi really meant eight, or was just using hyperbole--or maybe had "eight" on the brain.)

A Mom-ynous said...

Jodi was probably accurate, however what she fails to realize is that is a common thing in reality tv.

News is even worse. You just don't know what you need until the story is written. You have your basic idea of what you are covering and you go from there.

It stinks that you want video for a news story and the videographer shot only 1 minute. It leaves no choice, no options and often makes for a boring story. (many times have I seen them just ditch video all together as it wasn't pertinent to what was needed.)

While they have outlines as far as what shots they want to capture and what they are covering, you just cannot predict when you will get THE shot that will make the piece.

So it is reasonable that they do film for several hours.

I am not of the contention that it necessarily constitutes "work" for the kids--that is a different debate.

However--the production aspects that are being described for Jon and Kate + 8 are rather NORMAL.

I was in a student film and my piece that constituted 20 seconds of airtime...took over 2 hours to film. Many takes, many resets and shots from different angles. And that was "pretend" and scripted! (And I might add made a pretty crappy movie--but I digress! lol! The good movies must take much longer to film 20 seconds!)

My degree is in television production--so it is rather difficult to have the production schedule as demonstrative of how horrible Kate is to work with and how immoral they are.

Jodi is trying to produce a cause and effect relationship here--and it just doesn't work that way in film/video production. Sure--difficult talent can make it worse, but when it is reality tv...you just shoot it anyway.

Denise said...

The time it took to get 15 minutes of film wasn't the issue. It was because Jon and Kate were fighting so badly!

Wonderful climate for those kids to grow up in.

AAP said...

Entertainment Weekly just posted this interview today - I'm not sure when it took place, but in light of everything coming out, it seems very much the PR line.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/05/kate-gosselin-o.html?cid=152612935#comment-152612935

H.K. said...

It was a great show and I loved seeing the family dynamics, but now it would be just sad to watch the show. I hope that Jon and Kate are able to get out of the contract, stop doing more shows, and work on getting their family together.

The fans, the fame, and fortune isn't worth it, when the media starts to scrutinize your family. It's not worth it. What Jodi and Kevin did was awful to give their interview to Star magazine .

If they were really concerned for the family, then they should have gone to Kate herself or wrote her a letter, but don't take it to the public. They're just feeding into the media frenzy and putting those poor kids like a side show for a circus.

Baby Mama said...

Kuromi~ The info I got was directly from Julies own mouth on her blog. Everyone on GWOP at the time was talking about it.

Funny, just the other day I was told Julie came back to post and wrote a nasty statement on GWOP. Coincidence??

Linda said...

AAP said...
Is it just me - I don't think that these people look like Kevin and Jodi at all.
I get what you mean. I have no doubt it is them, but there is something about the interview that seems so contrived.

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This changes nothing for me really. I've got family members who have some degree of notoriety in the community. In public they get along. I private they fight like cats and dogs. They are also rude, hot-tempered, and irritable in private. "Outing" them for their hypocrisy is admittedly tempting but something I would never do.

tintin said...

Talk about airing laundry in public! What were these two thinking? They just couldn't help themselves could they? I guess there goes any hope of reconciliation between the two families.

His comment that Kate wants to be a TV host does ring true though.

iheartmyhubby said...

It appears that Jodi and Kevin have tried to do what is best for the kids, but felt like they had to go public (whatever the publication) as a last resort.

They are finally coming clean about Kate and have hopes that the truth will show what deceitful and disgusting people Jon and Kate are, moreso Kate because she insists on pushing the show and her own agenda.

I am glad they finally came out with their truths. I have no reason to doubt them. The show needs to end and people need to quit paying attention to Kate.

Laura said...

The economy is really bad right now. Guess Kevin and Jodi decided it was a good time to cash in!

A Mom-ynous said...

"The time it took to get 15 minutes of film wasn't the issue. It was because Jon and Kate were fighting so badly!

Wonderful climate for those kids to grow up in."

That is precisely the point. The fact that it took 8 hours to get 15 minutes of usable footage is not demonstrative of their behavior in and of itself.

Survivor shoots 24 hours a day pretty much to get 45 minutes of footage in a 72 hour period.

While it is plausible this were the case with Kate in Jon that it was them that caused the issue--I am not of the professional opinion that is why filming took so long.

And also--arguing with a spouse for whatever reason is not inherently an immoral act.

When one makes an accusation of immorality, my mind goes millions of other places. A bickering couple on the brink of divorce doesn't even pop up on my radar as immoral activity during filming.

For a PA to step forward like that--fighting was not the issue if they were stating an immoral activity.

And on that note, why are K & J not stating specifics.

It is quite easy to make generalized statements.

If they took the time to make a statement to express their concern and say this has been brewing a long time--factual observations are mysteriously missing.

Could it be true--sure.
Could it be false--absolutely it could.

They decided to go public for whatever reason--now it is time for them to back it up.

A Mom-ynous said...

IHEARTHUBBY:
"I am glad they finally came out with their truths. I have no reason to doubt them. The show needs to end and people need to quit paying attention to Kate."

I find it interesting that you say "their truths" instead of "the truth" when you have no reason to doubt them.

Can I ask why you have no reason to doubt them?






As for me--the maturity at which J&K handle "the problem" on the season opener will kind of be my litmus.

As of now--we have had no cohesiveness. It is out there, in the open.

I'm not saying I deserve to know--I certainly have no right to this information.

However--with that being said, it is unfair to condemn the show and ask for it to be canned without finding out how things will be handled. So I would like to judge for myself at how a television show that they are contracted to do will fair with it.

One thing is for certain--at least for one week, the show won't have to worry about drop in ratings.

And if figure 8 productions is upfront and honest about showing them in their true light as I suspect they have the capability of doing--we will finally get the he said/she said and they can put it to bed.

They can finish up their season 5 contract.

Counseling is definitely in order though. Even if they wish to divorce.

Weed said...

Wow - if we didn't think it was true before - this really cements it for me. Can't say it enough that the show and road-show needs to stop, this is going to devestate these children. Kate really loves the attention, good or bad - and she's not going to give it up for her marriage or for the sake of her children. She wants it all and is willing, IMO, to risk it all for fame and fortune.
What a sad situation - my heart really goes out to the children. It has to be really bad for Kevin and Jodi to come out and say something - it just has to be so much worse that what we can even imagine for them to do something like this. Just so sad.....

jodi said...

I can't believe you are all putting the blame on Kevin and Jodi..this is ridiculous..Kate tried to live a lie in order to keep up appearances..she got caught in the lie..Kate is all about the money and fame and trying to do this while proclaiming she is a "Christian" well I think God has the final say in this and he is showing just how quickly he can give and he can also take away. The blame on all of this is on Kate..she told Jon he could do what he wanted but once he got caught did she support him? Not at all! She wanted to play the poor Kate act once again and now its backfiring. She's ridiculous and what she needs to do for once in her life is go home and take care of her kids. Maybe she can finally learn how to give them baths how to dress them and brush their teeth since she's never done it before.

BostonBean said...

Kevin and Jodi have always been very supportive of the Gosselins, even watching the kids each Friday and taking them whenever the Gosselins needed to go somewhere.
They have always been helpful.
I BELIEVE what they said in the clip.
The really hurtful thing here is that the kids have lived through much WORSE than we ever saw on the programs.
Those kids need help now!

MarciWalker said...

I think it was incredibly trashy of Jodi and Kevin to do this. Why go public? The Gosselins appear to be falling apart; so what did Kevin and Jodi do to help anyone? I think this whole situation has taken a very Jerry-Springer-like turn.

I don't understand why some (not necessarily on here, just in general) believe that Aunt Jodi and Kevin are so wonderful and caring. They were on the show for a total of, what, 15 minutes in past episodes? But people think they "know" them. And now this video. Clearly, these two are out for the good of nobody but themselves. I can understand if you feel wronged to try to do something about it. But in public? That's classless. At least I can say that they never pretended to be doing this video and coming out with their insider information for the kids. I don't think they mentioned the kids at all. So unlike many who criticize Jon and Kate and use the "I only care about the kids" reasoning as a cover to bash them, Jodi and Kevin didn't do that. But I still have no respect for them. And, on a side note, why does Jodi have on black lipstick?

SamanthaNC said...

jodi said...
I can't believe you are all putting the blame on Kevin and Jodi..this is ridiculous
We're ALL putting the blame on Jodi and Kevin? Thats news to me.

I don't blame them for Jon and Kate's problems- they have to own that all on their own. But it was extremely low brow for Jodi and Kevin to go on Radar and give an interview about someonelse's problems. They can justify it however they want, clearly you are- it was still tasteless and wrong.

If Jon is so wounded and innocent he should speak for himself- if he knew they were doing this or (ugh) "asked" them to, that's even more pathetic and disgusting. If he didn't ask them to or give his "blessing"- it's even more skeevey of them to have been so loos lipped with their family's business. I love how so many seem to think nothing in their lives should remain private or be revealed on their terms. GAG.

Fanny said...

Jodi, you pretty much summed up everything that is wrong with the "Jodi and Kevin are saints" defense with that statement. Many who claimed to only be concerned for the children aren't even considering their feelings in this mess. It's far easier to explain to the kids that tabloids make up things about famous people to sell magazines than it is to explain why a family member would do it. Yes, they made the mess but any chance they had at keeping it from the kids is shot. It's so sad and I agree with the others who have said that there really are no responsible adults in this situation.

Also, I'd like to know why anyone would be so concerned about Kate being away from the kids when she obviously such a bitch. My guess(and I've thought so since I started reading the blogs)is that these people care more about putting Kate in her place than the well being of the kids---Jodi and Kevin included.

lulubae said...

jodi said: I can't believe you are all putting the blame on Kevin and Jodi..this is ridiculous.I'm not blaming Kevin and Jodi but exactly how does them giving this interview help the children? The internet knows no statute of limitations and this video will be there for posterity. How are the children supposed to feel if they possibly see, at some point in the future, their aunt and uncle trashing their mother? For as much as I don't like Kate, I would never tell any of those 8 children that the only mother they've ever known is a cheating, conniving, liar or something to that effect.

mkb77 said...

Whatever happened to keeping your dirty laundry where it belonged? If Kevin and Jodi had that much interest in helping out their family, they would have extended an olive branch a long time ago and offered shoulders to cry on, hands to help and ears to listen.

The only thing they gained by this public display is applause from Kate haters and nodding heads from those that are saying "I TOLD YOU SO!" or "They got what they deserved!"

It makes me sad to think that these two people could have made such a difference for these children and yet chose to go a different route by making their feelings so public.

Ugh.

Three Amazing Kids said...

Our family got blessed with a very generous gift today (we are getting a very pricey piece of medical equipment for my son that we could not afford on our own), and in turn we are returning the favor (donating medical equipment my daughter no longer needs). Why am I posting this here? Well, in light of this negativity going on with J&K, I want to encourage you to do something generous for someone else today. The negative energy surrounding these kids makes me very sad for them. Think about it. Their family is falling appart around them. Please pray for the Gosselin kids that their family can be healed no matter what happens.

themrs said...

well, according to today's us magazine post, the season premiere will be a one hour episode focusing on the marriage troubles. that is the final straw for me. every time i think this mess can't get any tackier, it does. if this situation isn't enough to convince them to end this disaster of a show then nothing will. in my mind, this just solidifies that neither Kate nor Jon give a crap about the welfare of those kids, it's all about the bottom line. these two deserve whatever is coming to them. God protect the kids.
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/jon-and-kate-premiere-will-deal-with-marriage-problems-2009145

Fanny said...

I have a question about the new EW article. Anyone know when it was actually done? I'm curious because I don't really see Jon getting in with Jodi and Kevin and then sitting down to do this interview to promote the show. Jon didn't talk a whole lot, but what he did say didn't sound like he was in the hell that jodi and kevin made it out to be.

Theresa said...

MarciWalker said...
I think it was incredibly trashy of Jodi and Kevin to do this. Why go public? The Gosselins appear to be falling apart; so what did Kevin and Jodi do to help anyone? I think this whole situation has taken a very Jerry-Springer-like turn.

I don't understand why some (not necessarily on here, just in general) believe that Aunt Jodi and Kevin are so wonderful and caring. They were on the show for a total of, what, 15 minutes in past episodes? But people think they "know" them. And now this video. Clearly, these two are out for the good of nobody but themselves. I can understand if you feel wronged to try to do something about it. But in public? That's classless. At least I can say that they never pretended to be doing this video and coming out with their insider information for the kids. I don't think they mentioned the kids at all. So unlike many who criticize Jon and Kate and use the "I only care about the kids" reasoning as a cover to bash them, Jodi and Kevin didn't do that. But I still have no respect for them. And, on a side note, why does Jodi have on black lipstick?

May 14, 2009 6:00 AM
Very well said MarciWalker!

She probably has the black lipstick on because she's a witch.:) Just Kidding!!(OH! I'm Jodi bashing!). sorry...

If Jodi and Kevin truly cared, they would not have done a video and with RadarOnline either. They would've helped Jon and Kate in a private, non-puplic way. I agree with those who say this is very Jerry Springer. All we need is chair smashing.

Just my observation from this video, but Kevin looks like he's whipped by Jodi and Julie. Kinda like, "honey am I saying everything you want me to?". Who filmed them...Julie?

Jon & Kate need to be in counseling. They need to realize their love of God and work through their vows, think of their children, and heal by forgiveness.

enoughalready said...

For all of those who have not been in a similar situation please do not cast the first stone! This may have been the only way Kevin and Jodi could have intervened. I am in a similar family situation and have been told by the experts (numerous doctors and lawyers) that intervention is the only way to help my sibling (and no it is not drugs or alcohol) I have to air the dirty laundry to get him to listen and help his children. I have exhausted every other option. Because my life is not public I don’t have to go to magazines however once the rest of the family finds out as well as friends and family it will be just as difficult.
I am sad to read all these comments. This whole situation is sad I only hope they get the help they need to put a family back together.

AC said...

I think that some of you are missing the point. If even some of what Kevin and Jodi say in this interview is accurate then the Gosselins' show is not a reality show at all and they are all just actors. Maybe what we see is not them, warts and all. Personally, I never felt that we had any right to be voyeurs into their life in the first place and that TLC and the parents were wrong to sacrifice the childrens' privacy in this way. When finances are the main motivation, there is never enough money. Sure, college and weddings cost alot but at what cost to the childrens' childhoods?! Lots of people have to learn to live within their means (including budget weddings and working for an education) which is a bit of a necessary skill these days.

Kate seems to be the one that decried the paparazzi but she (not Jon) has gone from tabloid to tabloid, talk show to talk show to get out her spin on recent events. She can't suck and blow at the same time.

There is always the possibility that for Jodi and Kevin it finally came to this critical juncture when they felt compelled to speak out. Perhaps frustration boils over when other ways have been tried. If she truly is estranged from friends and family (or "lost" them in Kate's words), there is also the possibility that some of what they are saying has some merit. After all, if she has lost everyone around her she could have something to do with it. Make sense?

For one, I emailed TLC this morning and said shame on them. If the parents will not put a stop to this awful parody of a life for the children, then the network should and offer the children whatever support they need to resume a quasi-normal life if such a thing is even remotely possible for them. So what if they now interview well? Not really a priority for 5 year olds.

mkb77 said...

Enoughalready said:

"For all of those who have not been in a similar situation please do not cast the first stone! This may have been the only way Kevin and Jodi could have intervened. I am in a similar family situation and have been told by the experts (numerous doctors and lawyers) that intervention is the only way to help my sibling (and no it is not drugs or alcohol) I have to air the dirty laundry to get him to listen and help his children. I have exhausted every other option. Because my life is not public I don’t have to go to magazines however once the rest of the family finds out as well as friends and family it will be just as difficult.
I am sad to read all these comments. This whole situation is sad I only hope they get the help they need to put a family back together."

Seriously? If they wanted to go public, why in the world would they pick a tabloid? Go to the local news station or a reputable newspaper.

Plus, Jon came to THEM. They had their opportunity to say to him what they needed to say, in private. Instead, they opted to go another route. Because they chose this, they will receive a lot of backlash.

nslmom said...

Laura said...
The economy is really bad right now. Guess Kevin and Jodi decided it was a good time to cash in!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'd say this is no different then what Jon and Kate have been doing over the last year.

Trish said...

mkb77said...
"
Whatever happened to keeping your dirty laundry where it belonged? If Kevin and Jodi had that much interest in helping out their family, they would have extended an olive branch a long time ago and offered shoulders to cry on, hands to help and ears to listen.

The only thing they gained by this public display is applause from Kate haters and nodding heads from those that are saying "I TOLD YOU SO!" or "They got what they deserved!"

It makes me sad to think that these two people could have made such a difference for these children and yet chose to go a different route by making their feelings so public.

Ugh."

In all fairness...we don't know that they didn't try to reach out to Jon and Kate.

IMO though, whether they tried or not...and if they did try and Kate ignored them...I still think it was outrageously inappropriate to take it to the tabloids.
Unless those kids are in some kind of physical danger, which I highly doubt...and even then...CPS or the police should be called...NOT STAR!

Erin said...

Perhaps they went to Radar Online/Star because that who would listen to them. I'm sure they are the "source" in some of the first Us Magazine articles too.
Kate has been on CNN, Oprah, People, etc..perhaps these outlets didn't want to sour their relationship with Kate and her big PR firm...regardless if the stories are true or not.
They say that Jon contacted them 6mos ago..with all this media coverage, maybe Jon came to them again and convinced them to talk. I'm sure Jon is keeping his mouth shut because of some type of legal issue.

Illinois Mom said...

Maybe Kevin and Jodi did attempt to talk to Jon and Kate.

Whipped, like Jon is whipped, I didn't see that in Kevin's appearance, Jodi seemed to be very passive on camera, whispering the word cheating.

What I personally gather from ALL of this, including what I have watched for years, is what I have always imagined, way, way worse than what we see on TV. Not a good marriage, kids not a priority. I have no doubt at all that this is what it is, and that there exsist 8 Gosselin children as collateral damage.

I do have this feeling though that Jon will wrangle his way to come out looking like the good guy.

Trish said...

Erin-

You are porobably right in that Star is the only one who would listen.

I stil contend though that....what exactly is their purpose in speaking out at all?

I'm sure they wanted to get their side of things out and frankly I can understand feeling that way. But that does not help the kids at all. If their true motive was to help the family...they went about it all wrong IMO.

Especially Jodi's little whisper...that wasn't helping anyone...that was just wanting to get back at Kate.

Illinois Mom said...

Jon & Kate need to be in counseling. They need to realize their love of God and work through their vows, think of their children, and heal by forgiveness.

Yea, I don't see this happening, it's over.

Momof2 said...

IMO, regardless of who came forward and who said what ...I think Kate's actions are speaking volumes!

I just read the EW article where Kate said "I don't ever want to go back. I'm very comfortable at this point in front of cameras, I love it, I go into a studio and I'm like, Ahhhh. It's odd, because I would have never thought that of myself. But I'm enjoying very much what I'm doing."


This isn't about the family anymore clearly, if she did have her family's best interest she would stay home and be a Mommy, send all the hired help home and work on her marriage.

nslmom said...

Momof2 said...

This isn't about the family anymore clearly, if she did have her family's best interest she would stay home and be a Mommy, send all the hired help home and work on her marriage.

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I agree with you. She needs to be home with those children. In the People article she is giving her interview from a hotel room in NY (on the Tup's b-day). I don't care if she had obligations in NY she could have taken a red-eye home and been there when they woke up. Wasn't she speaking somewhere yesterday as well? It just doesn't add up to me...she claims those kids are her #1 priority. She needs to show it!

Anya said...

Momof2 said...IMO, regardless of who came forward and who said what ...I think Kate's actions are speaking volumes!

I just read the EW article where Kate said "I don't ever want to go back. I'm very comfortable at this point in front of cameras, I love it, I go into a studio and I'm like, Ahhhh. It's odd, because I would have never thought that of myself. But I'm enjoying very much what I'm doing."


This isn't about the family anymore clearly, if she did have her family's best interest she would stay home and be a Mommy, send all the hired help home and work on her marriage. ..............
Well, perhaps the marriage is over and she is working on plans for the future. As I see it, she has the right to try and launch some career in the entertainment industry if she wants to. I am not sure it will be successful or that I would be interested in following her once the show is over, but I don't think it is malevolent of her to give it a try, especially if the kids are not involved.

I don't agree with all of the Gosselins decisions, but parents make mistakes every single day - some small, some big. Most kids come through childhood ok, especially if there is love in the home and I don't doubt that there is love.

Maybe Kate isn't the nicest person you will ever meet. Maybe Jon isn't the brightest or hardest worker. They are still the parents and they get to make the decisions. I just wish them the best and hope whatever happens they realize they need to work *together* to make the best childhood possible for the kids....

Firebird said...

Whever I feel really concerned with the lives of my family members, I always go to Star Magazine and Radar Online first. That's much better than trying to "Help the Kids!" in private, since I care so much. Doesn't everyone?

3KMOM said...

the whole people article is on GWOP. don't know how they got it since it's not supposed to be on sale until tomorrow

Fanny said...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/20....y-blasts-tv-mom



More of the interview with radar.

shawna said...

Firebird said...
Whever I feel really concerned with the lives of my family members, I always go to Star Magazine and Radar Online first.

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I agree.....I go tanning instead.

Emilie Timmons said...

Thank you Kevin and Jodi for speaking out. I know many folks don't see your words as benefiting the children but I do. They probably felt they had no choice but to go public with the truth. Kate's gone public--big time!--so it's good to hear the other side. Showing the truth may change public opinion about the Gosselins, get folks to boycott the show, end it altogether. Ending the lies may end the show. I can see why they came forward....

Ultimately, ending the show will give the children back their privacy. What an ugly mess they are in the middle of. Forever will they have strangers giving them opinions on their show, their parents, the situation. They may not be aware of it now but someday soon...

I keep thinking back to the Dionne Quints--exploited and taken advantage of by the govn't and their father as children, they had no voice then (just as the Gosselin children do not). But the Dionne's have a voice now and their advice to families of multiples? Check out their letter to McCaughey's back in 1997..

Dear Bobbi and Kenny,

If we emerge momentarily from the privacy we have sought all our adult lives, it is only to send a message to the McCaughey family. We three would like you to know we feel a natural affinity and tenderness for your children. We hope your children receive more respect than we did. Their fate should be no different from that of other children. Multiple births should not be confused with entertainment, nor should they be an opportunity to sell products.

Our lives have been ruined by the exploitation we suffered at the hands of the government of Ontario, our place of birth. We were displayed as a curiosity three times a day for millions of tourists. To this day we receive letters from all over the world. To all those who have expressed their support in light of the abuse we have endured, we say thank you. And to those who would seek to exploit the growing fame of these children, we say beware.

We sincerely hope a lesson will be learned from examining how our lives were forever altered by our childhood experience. If this letter changes the course of events for these newborns, then perhaps our lives will have served a higher purpose.

Sincerely, Annette, Cecile and Yvonne Dionne

We can all agree that the Dionne's suffered great trauma as children. But look at how similar the lives of the Dionne Quints are to the Gosselin children. The Dionne's were at the mercy of the govn't and and later, their father as they made decisions to have them work as young, young children, despite the trauma it was causing. The Gosselin children also have TLC (via contract) and parents making these same decisions for their children without any accountability. The Dionne's were "on display" 3 times day--the Gosselin children are filmed for hours on end then shown to millions of viewers. No privacy, all faults out there for the world to see and comment on for years on end...I worry greatly for these poor children. We need laws to protect the Gosseling children against exploitation, at the very least an advocate to represent the interest of the children. It's too easy for the parents to get caught up in the power, fame and money as we have sadly seen both with the Dionne's and now the Gosselins.

**May God protect the Gosselin children from this emotional mess until the show is off the air and their parents are able to love them with both words and actions**

erin said...

After seeing the second clip, I think Jodi and Kevin were smarter when they kept their mouths shut. One thing I did like is them saying that Kate portrays herself as a great baker, considering she said she was a terrible baker and Jodi was the good baker in the family. This is such a train wreck, I know I shouldn't be rubbernecking moment that I can't seem to look away from.

Jackie C. said...

That's it. Stick a fork in me, I'm done. No more watching the show, in fact I hope it does not come back, no more reading the blogs, although this one has always been my favorite because I felt that it was fair. No more. My advice for the Gosselins: GET OFF THE AIR. And get some marriage counseling. Maybe it will help. After all this is not just about the two of you. Or is it?

Grayce said...

No Jackie C I think it is now all about Kate, as per her interview in People where she only talk about herself, her plans, her future.

Kikibee said...

I can't say for sure whether Kate is a good mother, but I do know that folding laundry, cleaning the house and cooking have nothing to do with it. As long as the kids are fed and have clean clothes, it doesn't matter who did it. And if Kate is away making money, why shouldn't Jon be held responsible for those duties?

Anya said...

Jackie C. said...That's it. Stick a fork in me, I'm done. No more watching the show, in fact I hope it does not come back, no more reading the blogs, although this one has always been my favorite because I felt that it was fair. No more. My advice for the Gosselins: GET OFF THE AIR. And get some marriage counseling. Maybe it will help. After all this is not just about the two of you. Or is it?...........................Funny, a lot of us have been using that phrase recently!

I think I am caught up on the trainwreck. The whole thing is just sad and as many of us have said, there is bad behavior on all sides in my opinion.

Erin, one thing that is clear to me is there are hurt feelings on all sides. Yes, I think Kevin & Jodi did it for the money, but I also think they want to get back at Kate. I saw the same hurt and anger in Kate's interview. And some things just don't make sense: Jon has to empty his 401k, but he buys a new car without consulting Kate? There is something not computing.

Grayce, I read the whole People article and I don't think it's fair to say Kate only talked about herself. There was a lot more there. Some of it made me question her choices, some of it made me feel bad for her, but it wasn't all about her and her fabulous career....

Jacelynn said...

Just watched the second part of the interview (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-new-interview-kate-gosselins-family-blasts-tv-mom) and wow Jodi and Kevin are just as bad as Jon and Kate! They are in this for the money and its pathetic.

Illinois Mom said...

I think Kate has lost it completely. She's "Come Undone".

Momof2 said...

Kikibee said...

I can't say for sure whether Kate is a good mother, but I do know that folding laundry, cleaning the house and cooking have nothing to do with it. As long as the kids are fed and have clean clothes, it doesn't matter who did it. And if Kate is away making money, why shouldn't Jon be held responsible for those duties?

Then give credit where credit is due. Kate is telling everyone *she* is doing *everything* and she's so exhausted...and her fans wonder how she does it all?

3KMOM said...

From the people interview I get the feeling their hearts are hardened towards each other. I still hold out hope that they will somehow soften towards each other. i am praying for both of them. When it gets ugly like that it is easy to keep going and damaging each other and get caught up in a cycle of hurting each other. I am always a believer in miracles though and I hope they choose to stay together and work things out to were both of them are happy.

MrsRef said...

Unfortunately, these articles, interviews, etc. are going to be available for these poor kids for years to come. I read the People article, Kate really says some rotten stuff about Jon (may or may not be true) that these kids will eventually get access to. Is she so unglued mentally that she doesn't see how this will affect them? He is still their father, regardless of whatever he has done or she thinks of him. I am a child of divorce and my mother bad mouthed my father. He left when I was 5 and I never saw him again until I was 21. When I became an adult and a mother myself, I realized who the problem was and it wasn't my dad. This is incredibly sad and no one is watching out for those kids.

lulubae said...

Can I be shallow for just one second?

Am I the only one who really just wants to brush Jodi's hair out? :)

And I take a little bit of offense to the whole "mothering duties" comment. I work more hours than my husband so he does more of the housework than I do. It's just a "being at home" issue. Not an "I'm a mom, therefore it's my job, and you're a dad so go make the bacon" issue. We're a team. The work gets done. It doesn't matter who does it.

Momof2 said...

I do feel that after all the things Kate said about Jon in the interview, she has no desire to reconcile. That's sad. It does make me wonder if she made her mind up a long time ago as she isn't wasting time giving interviews...and doesn't appear to be doing ANYTHING in private.

A Mom-ynous said...

" can't believe you are all putting the blame on Kevin and Jodi..this is ridiculous..Kate tried to live a lie in order to keep up appearances..she got caught in the lie.."

No wonder--b/c noone is blaming them.

1. Families keep up appearances all the time, the show concealed NOTHING. Folks have long thought Kate was a *b* word and Jon was a lazy good for nothing. If they were "lying"--they don't lie too well.

2. Yes--affairs are lies. I had no idea that a show that very clearly showed a family that was far from perfect had a contractual obligation to live the American dream and never to be unfaithful b/c the world is too naive to think that humans and not robots appear on the show.

3. If Kevin and Jodi were so worried--what about REALLY using their cojones to do something about it. Coming out with a trite, conveniently timed statement is a bit suspect, don't you think.

It would be prudent for everyone to take everything they see or hear regarding the Gosselins with a grain of salt.

Being gullible does not mean you were lied to, it measn that you were not able to read in between the lines to see a family that had some great faults and never pretended that they were a happy family without issues.

If you assumed they were happy--I have to wonder what show you were watching b/c as much as I have enjoyed the Gosselins and would continue to do so despite recent disclosures as long as the show handled it properly--I as an adult would be able to do that.

Folks who thought they were watching the Disney channel may not be able to cope with reality.

Sure--infidelity is very much a lie. But it is a lie to the spouse--you have no personal attachment to the family, so why you would feel lied to escapes me.

My husband lied to me. His addiction is a lie to me--not to John and Jane Doe down the street.

When on God's green earth did it become Kevin and Jodi's duty to step forward?

If there were moral issues during filming, if there were issues with gum gate, if there were contract issues, if there were issues all around, if they knew for six months....

why all of a sudden are they stepping forward now and to a tabloid.

EVEN if everything they say is true--it is in poor taste and poor character. It is hearsay.

It is hearsay.

That means it is nothing more than a rumour until the horse's mouth can validate that.

It isn't their fault anything going on with the Gosselins--but it sure isn't bright of them or "moral" of them to handle themselves in this manner.

Perhaps if you read posts more closely, you would see that.

But as I see it--the haters and the faithful want to pretend that their was all this deception going on when there was not.

Unless you can testify that you confess every nuance of your marriage to all of your family and friends--which you can't b/c it would be impossible--maybe gross in some cases--very inappropriate--then you too are living a lie, presenting a facade.

Grayce said...

Anya,

Grayce said at 2:33 pm -
No Jackie C I think it is now all about Kate, as per her interview in People where she only talk about herself, her plans, her future.

IT WASN'T ME....I feel so uh, HONORED, someone sockpuppeted me.

Or, there is another Grayce out there, but I had it first on this blog, so I call dibs!

Sincerely, the REAL Grayce you know from other places.....

A Mom-ynous said...

"For all of those who have not been in a similar situation please do not cast the first stone! This may have been the only way Kevin and Jodi could have intervened"

Having been on the receiving end of an unfaithful act--it would be my family and friends duty to inform ME of what they might no...not a freakin' tabloid.

Intervene my patooty!

Jon has some balls--at ANY moment he can walk away, but he was a coward and he cheated.

Kate--if she did cheat--well that doesn't make her a Saint.

But OMG--are you KIDDING ME?

This is the only way they could intervene?

Heck even stalker-bloggers (if they are telling the truth) figured out that they could call Child Protective Services who would be OBLIGATED to investigate an alleged volatile environment.

Abuse need not be physical after all.

If things were so immoral and so awful--heck even Nadia Suleman has gotten a few visits herself.

Telling the tabloids does not save the children and it is in NO WAY a rational tool for intervening with marital issues.

It is typically often a source of revenue to folks who know juicy inside details that may or may not be embellished.

I've walked in the victim's shoes--and I would have excommunicated anyone who knew something about my spouse but instead of coming forward to me for whatever stupid reason--decided a front page article in a newspaper was the way to go.

It is low.

It is demeaning.

It is dishonorable.

It is disrespectful.

As my husband deals with his issues and the whys of why he did what he did, I have maintained his right to privacy as he deals with it b/c it can be embarrassing.

I hold him accountable, but even he deserves the right to not have his laundry aired to God and everybody.

Well--God knows--but everyone else doesn't.

This is what one does out of love and respect for an individual who is causing and being harmed by a situation. They get and seek help and intervene to get them help.

Tabloids don't do squat in mending fences. They are huge barriers to healing wounds.

They are the staph-infection of fixing problems (i.e. makes things a hell of a lot worse).

I have years of shoe leather that have been worn to be able to comfortably judge Kevin and Jodi for this act of stupidity.

A Mom-ynous said...

Enoughalready:

I should also add that we have experts in our corner that suggest that what you are doing (causing embarrassment) may be unhelpful.

In my situation--embarrassment to fix the problem would have made things a hell of a lot worse and make me end up in divorce court.

Not sure what the issue is...but red flags are going off that tell me it isn't the right thing to do.

My husband would have just gotten more secretive than he already was.

A Mom-ynous said...

I watched part 2.

I wonder how they can know so much if they haven't spoken to them in over a year as the "text" beneath to video clip for part 2 states.

Did Jon have warm fuzzies to contact a relative by marriage all of a sudden.

Quite suspect to me.

I find it disingenuine that a woman is unable to have a livlihood that takes her from home but is expected to stay home and mother her children.

While I personally like to be that way--there comes a time when some women are the breadwinners.

It isn't like she left the babies at home needing round the clock care.

These are functioning now-5 year olds.

The book tours just started a few months ago.

I cannot believe that Kevin and Jodi can complain with a straight face.

I'm sure if we look at the national list of published authors making their rounds I am sure we will find many females some of whom may be mothers.

I wonder if Jodi will have an opinion on book tours for JK Rowling for the Harry Potter series.

A Mom-ynous said...

My last thought of the day.

Why do we hold Jon and Kate to such a high standard?



My answer is: I never have. Maybe that is why I am not so disappointed in them or feel any emotions of deception from having watched their show for 4 seasons.

With my background and current status--you would expect that I would think the opposite.

However-my home has never been without sin so I have not been inclined to cast stones at Jon and Kate. My glass house would not be able to handle the ricochet.

STLmom said...

Why is everyone being so hateful about Kevin and Jodi. What if your sister or other close family memeber was lying to the public and making money off the lie. Wouldn't you feel the need to tell people the real story? Just think about people who lie and back stab to get one up at work. You want your boss and others to know the truth. IMO, I don't know how Kevin and Jodi were quiet for so long.

To_the_mods... said...

Hey there, mods. Just wondering if Mom-ynous knows that she doesn't have to start a new paragraph after every sentence that she writes? I enjoy her posts, but they're getting so lengthy with all the new sentences. This isn't really any of my business, but just thought I'd throw something in the "suggestion box." Love your blog!

A Lurker from Afar said...

I enjoy AMom-ynous' posts, too. But, I wish the stuff she wants to talk about that was posted before would be either italicized or bolded.

MrsRef said...

Amonymous: I would be inclined to agree wtih you about a woman having a job outside the home, however, it appears that these kids were left at home with a parent who bar hops and parties at 2:00 a.m. while his wife is away. Who is watching the kids then. And what about the photo with Ms. Deanna laying in their lawn. What kind of man brings home his "friends" in the middle of the day.

Trish said...

I acutally really like the way
A Mom-ynous writes...it may not be to everyone's taste but she is very succinct and clear, imo.

Linda said...

I agree with A mom-ynous 150% and for the record I don't mind that she puts a lot of spaces between her statements.

I never once thought that Kate and Jon did everything themselves. I saw the laundry folders, read about the craft services, saw the episodes about her interviewing a nanny, saw the episodes about her interviewing a cleaning person, etc.

The show actually highlights the help that they've gotten from other people and how they attempt to secure more help.

shawna said...

lulubae said...

And I take a little bit of offense to the whole "mothering duties" comment. I work more hours than my husband so he does more of the housework than I do. It's just a "being at home" issue. Not an "I'm a mom, therefore it's my job, and you're a dad so go make the bacon" issue. We're a team. The work gets done. It doesn't matter who does it.

==============================

Kate has always protrayed herself as the main caregiver who did all of the "household" chores (except for bathing the kids). We have known for awhile that she has help (cooking, cleaning, child caregiver, an assistant and someone doing her laundry). It is the fact that she has made us all believe "she does it all". I think Jodi used the words "mothering duties" because let's face it.......the majority of the time we are the ones who do all of those things.

Quiltart said...

A Mom-ynous, You have said so many things that I have been thinking today so very well... I, too, like the way you write.

While I'm sure we will never know the entire story, Kevin and Jodi going public in such a way was totally unacceptable, especially considering that they claim to have had no contact with the Gosselins until Jon appeared on their doorstep. Spilling their guts to a cheap tabloid was the coward's way out as far as I'm concerned. If they really wanted to do something, they could have intervened privately a long time ago. How sad for all of them....

nslmom said...

A Mom-ynous said...

However-my home has never been without sin so I have not been inclined to cast stones at Jon and Kate. My glass house would not be able to handle the ricochet.

----------------------------

Then you shouldn't be judging Kevin and Jodi.

Cherier1 said...

A Mom-ynous said,

"I have years of shoe leather that have been worn to be able to comfortably judge Kevin and Jodi for this act of stupidity."

and

"However-my home has never been without sin so I have not been inclined to cast stones at Jon and Kate. My glass house would not be able to handle the ricochet."

Sounds hypocritical, no? Or maybe you can explain the difference.

Cherier1 said...

How do you know they didn't try to help the kids in private and were turned away? Kate has history of turning away people and Jon can't seem to stand up and do the right thing?

The bottom line is the show needs to stop for the kids. I don't hear Kate mention the kids much or what they need. It's about what she wants. She claims she's on the phone with them constantly attending to their emotional needs. I don't buy it.

I don't think she's much of a parent.

firsttimeposter said...

I think I posted this in the wrong spot, so I'm reposting... if that's allowed...

I can't say that I know any of them because they are just reality TV show characters but from the very few minutes Kevin & Jodi have been shown on TV they seemed like nice people who love their neices & nephews. However, I don't see any mention in the Radaronline videos of the kids at all? If all of this is for the children, why not mention them and how they are being affected? Nothing is being said about them having horrible or even unhappy lives. Kevin & Jodi are just gossiping about Kate as a person and specifically about the struggles of the marriage / "snowjob" of the show. Lots of people struggle in their marriage, lots of people mis-portray themselves to others, and lots of people are rude to their brothers and sisters-in-law. That doesn't make them good people, but that surely doesn't make them evil. If my sister-in-law was rude / unkind to me, I probably would gossip with my friends about the situation, maybe make some rude jokes myself, but the only way I would ever consider it "right" to air anyone's personal dirty laundry to the public would be if I saw it as the only way to help the children out of a bad situation (and even then I would have to think very hard about the actual effectiveness of what I was doing) But Jodi and Kevin don't seem to mention the kids at all? Nothing about the camera's ruing their lives... nothing about the parents' fighting hurting their feelings, no talk of emotional or physical problems, nothing. Just plain gossip about a person they are fighting with. Why?

OutOfOffice said...

After reading the People article, I have mixed feelings. I would not consider myself a Kate fan or a hater. She's on tv sometimes; so I watch once in a while. But I have no feelings or emotions invested in her or her family. I'm not heartbroken over this. That being said, Kate does come across as egotistical and self-centered in the article, in my opinion. I think most people are that way, but most are also able to filter themselves so that they don't appear that way. I'm not sure Kate has that filter. To be honest, I don't think the magazine in any way painted her in a good light. And those weird pictures. Yeah, she looked beautiful, but she had that forced sad face. How can you feel sorry for an adult who poses for magazine shots with their best pouty face while exposing their Winnie the Poo tattoo? It's weird. I don't get it.

I haven't watched the Radar Online video of Jodi and Kevin. I saw a still shot of the video, and they both had that slack-jawed "This is my serious face" look, so I couldn't bring myself to watch. And I also think Kate is no better for doing a magazine herself. It almost seems like every member of that family is trying to outdo each other. I think it's great for show ratings, but that's about it. Get some class, Gosselin clan.

momof3inohio said...

Many have commented on how Kevin and Jodi have handled the situation. They have questioned why they did not deal with Kate privately. How do we know that this isn't their last resort? Maybe they (and the rest of the family) have tried to confront Kate privately and she would not listen or have any of it. Maybe they warned her they would go public if she didn't start thinking about the children and how this media circus is effecting them. One could argue that Kevin and Jodi speaking out is also having a negative effect. However, I believe that Kevin and Jodi are working towards the "greater good" and want Kate to pack-up her bags, go home and turn off the cameras. These kids deserve nothing less. Jon and particularly Kate have fueled this media frenzy and continue to do so. It is unthinkable that Kate is going forward with the 5th season of their show. There isn't anyone who can convince me that these poor children aren't suffering. If they aren't aware of all of this going on, then they must be locked up on that 20 acre farm night and day with no computers or TV's.

Techymum said...

This whole situation is beyond sad, and I wish I could wake up and read a statement that says "we are retreating from the public eye in order to focus on the children. There will be no more filming, and we have taken the action to remove our program from TLC." I just cannot buy the story any longer that they are doing this in order to get money for the kids. Far too many extravagences to let me believe that. Please Please - somebody make sure these children get the help and nurturing they deserve.

erin said...

I have a serious question, not a sarcastic one. On the video Kevin and Jodi say that Kate has such tight control on his finances that he had to empty his 401k to survive: How is that possible in light of the new sports car and condo? I can see to buy clothes or things for himself/kids, food, etc. I can't see saying you needed the money to survive then buying a nifty sports car that cost approximately the same as a year of tuition I paid in law school or about 3 years of tuition for my undergrad. My car was all of $2500.

Erica said...

I saw they talked about the Jon & Kate controversy on GMA this morning. Robin Roberts and the reporter (I forget her name, but I think she's married to Al Roker?) were talking and Robin mentioned that it's ironic how they're all talking about this now with the new series about to start. She gave the impression that she doesnt' believe this latest video of Kevin and Jodi's that they showed and that reporter said to the effect that TLC knows how this is going to pull in ratings.

Momof2 said...

Gee Erica, that funny...I watched the same exact GMA and that's not what was said at all! They showed clips of J &K fighting, said that that "True Reality is far different" than what is being shown. They did say some would wonder if it's a publicity stunt but with Kate's brother speaking out there is genuine concern that the children ARE being affected. They also noted that while Kate said having cameras was a "lack of privacy", they also noted her LACK of plans to pull out of the show for the sake of her family.

This was a highly critical piece of news, which I was surprised at. They also THANKED Radar Online for the video of Kevin and Jodi.

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Anya said...

erin said...I have a serious question, not a sarcastic one. On the video Kevin and Jodi say that Kate has such tight control on his finances that he had to empty his 401k to survive: How is that possible in light of the new sports car and condo?

Erin, that was the first inconsistency that popped at me too! Well, that and the fact that Jon had a 401k. LOL. Usually you have to work for an employer 1-5 years to "vest." There couldn't have been much in his account.

OutofOffice said....Get some class, Gosselin clan.

I don't disagree, but believe the same should be said for Kevin & Jodi Kreider and Julie.

Victoria said...

Momof2 I watched the same GMA as you and Erica. Funny how your interpretation was different than Erica's and mine and probably others, too. The importance of the video was questioned. They had to thank RadarOnline as it is a source from which they grabbed the video.

To me, it looked like they were taking this latest controversy with a grain of salt.

Bonnie said...

The Krieders speaking out about a private matter on a public website addrssing issues and talkng about them using words that you read on Gwop only tells me that Julie was behind their video. I don't put full blame on Julie, I put equal blame on Kevin and Jodi, too. The three of them are low clsss trash.

Momof2 said...

"No doubt it is affecting the children" is not taking it with a grain of salt IMHO

...but take from it what you'd like.

I was quite surprised they were as critical of the Gosselins as they were, and that was not imagined.

Maxine said...

So much for "handling it privately", as she stated late last week. I am disgusted that she is continuing to spread her lies, and discussing very private matters to the media. She completely throws her husband under the bus to pursue her own agenda. It is becoming more obvious that she will stop at nothing to get what she wants. She is setting herself up for sympathy and letting everyone know that the show must go on.This is from Julie's Blog. How hypocritical! Julie was the one who first posted lies, insinuating stuff was wrong in the Gosselin house. My it must be hard to sit back and see others flourish when you are not a part of it. Your hatred Julie was evident even back then. How you brainwashed your sister and brother-in-law is incredible. You've got power. Oh no wait, no don't. You just have the adoration of silly and petty people on hate blogs. That'll get you somewhere.

You, Jodi, and Kevn are real losers. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Illinois Mom said...

Maybe Julie got a third of money from doing the video.

I guess there is a part 3 but it isn't up yet.

There is gonna be more I am assuming that will be even more sensationalized.

Jenn said...

Julie has updated her site a few times since all the new stuff has happened. Her new spin is that we don't know it all so we can't really judge and that Jodi and Kevin are taking the hard road by doing speaking out. I call a big fat load of bullshit! How does speaking out and calling a Kate a "cheater" help anything?

If the children were truly in danger they could petition the courts and ask for custody of the kids. They, of course, would have to prove their allegations. This would be the hard road, IMO.

Speaking to trash mags is a chicken shit way of getting back at Kate while pretending to care. Jodi & Kevin need to take a LONG and HARD look at what they've accomplished by doing this. When I really think about it, Jodi & Kevin are exploiting the situation, too.

And seriously, what does Julie have to do with this whole mess? Is Jodi not a big girl and able to take care of herself? Julie needs to butt out!


Sorry for the rant... haven't had a chance to post anything since this has all happened.

I think the show needs to stop, though. Enough is enough - and that goes for Jon, Kate, Jodi and Kevin. Act your age people!!

Jenn said...

Part 3 of their interview w/ Radaronline is up.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-new-interview-jon-kate-relatives-say-split-would-affect-these-children

Illinois Mom said...

Jodi & Kevin are exploiting the situation, too.


I agree Jenn, just as Jon and Kate have expolited their kids. I don't see how anyone could truly say otherwise.

Yea, Julie! What the heck is your part in this? Jodi can't speak without urging from her sister? YUCK!

Linda said...

How can people watch episodes in which K interviews potential nannies, interviews potential housekeepers, mentions the laundry folders, admit on her website that they utilize craft services for the days that they film and still say that she portrays herself as "doing it all."

I seriously don't get it.

I watch those episodes and have always thought she is good at securing help, assistance, support because God knows she can't do it all.

Jordyn said...

She never said "everday I do all this". We've certainly know she has help. Anybody would be stupid to not realize that. But, that is exactly what the haters are because while they can pick every tick and twitch on Kate's face and dissect it, they can't grasp the basics.

I watched the Crybaby, uh,Kreider videos and I have to say that they do use words and phrasing of GWop and Julie. She's the mastermind of these. What a wimp Kevin is for going along with this. The stuff he was saying was straight from Julie's mouth. did you notice that he kept looking at Jodi with a look for her approval of what he said?

Pathetic.

Illinois Mom said...

So I am wondering, they are still under contract I assume. So regardless of all this mess, the show will continue?

TLC has to make some tough decisions as to how they are going to go forward if they claim it to still be a reality show.

Seeing Jon and Kate being filmed together after everything that has unfolded is going to be extremely awkward to say the least!

I just don't see how they can keep doing it.

Kikibee said...

I agree, Jordyn and Linda, we've seen and heard about the help she gets. It's the same as when people say "she's not thankful enough". I've heard her say many times that they couldn't do this or that if they didn't have the show. It would be really tedious if they spent several minutes out of each show to say "so and so helped me do this, somebody else did that, thank you to this company, that company gave us this,etc.". Heck, maybe they say that stuff and it gets edited out.

She also frequently has said that she isn't perfect, that she's not the best at everything. I guess some people (Kevin) don't hear that either.

Connie said...

I want to know why we do not see Jon Gosselin on any magazine covers or giving any interviews.
Why is Kate going out there making an ass out of herself? Why not take the high road? She just goes on and on. One interview or show would have been enough but now she is becoming a joke. The only pix I saw of Jon was Mother's Day weekend when he was picking flowers with his kids and dogs on his property. What will stop Kate who seems hell bent on this self destructive path?

erin said...

Every video Kevin and Jodi put out I'm more disgusted. Whether or not what they say happened happened, I wouldn't want them in my life either. It actually makes me feel worse for Kate after all this. Lord knows, she isn't blameless, but this is petty and horrible coming from a "close sibling," estranged, fighting or not.

MrsRef said...

Connie: Its called spin. Kate wants to be the victim in all of this. I am appalled at the things she said to People magazine about her children's father. She is trying to keep her "career" alive. Poor Kate. If Jon was unhappy and she knew it, they could have comprimised. It happens in homes all across the country everyday.

Connie said...

May be about the victim stuff but I sure wish he would say something. Defend himself? Trash her? I guess he is the only parent at home lately (obviously not making organic meals). Do you think Jodi and Kevin are doing the talking for him? Or maybe Jon has a lawyer advising him?

Linda said...

I do wonder why it is that the infamous Julie uses all these other people as her mouthpiece?

I still think that what she, the Kreiders, and Deanna Hummel's brother have done is slimy.

Since when is going to the media a way to help your sibling?

(Shaking my head here.)

nslmom said...

Jordyn said...

But, that is exactly what the haters are because while they can pick every tick and twitch on Kate's face and dissect it, they can't grasp the basics.

I watched the Crybaby, uh,Kreider videos and I have to say that they do use words and phrasing of GWop and Julie. She's the mastermind of these. What a wimp Kevin is for going along with this. The stuff he was saying was straight from Julie's mouth. did you notice that he kept looking at Jodi with a look for her approval of what he said?

Pathetic.

---------------------------------

This is where I have a hard time understanding things. I am very neutral about both sides.

In one sentence you talk about the "haters" picking apart every little thing about Kate and then one paragraph down you are doing the same about Kevin, Jodi and Julie.

One thing I have really enjoyed about this blog is the fact that people speak their mind. They never insulted haircuts, lipstick colors, hairstyles, etc.

You don't like that talk on the "haters" blog, why do it here?

Jon, Kate and TLC are at fault here.

I also think it is funny that Kevin and Jodi are getting "guff" for "maybe" getting paid for their interview. Do you think Kate received any money for her many interviews and "photo spread" for People Magazine (even after she said her marriage is a private matter). Jon may have done something suspicious but at least he is keeping his mouth shut and taking care of the kids.

Nina Bell said...

nslmom

I am just posting comments. I have no idea who half of the people are that have been posting here the last two days. I certainly have not seen Jordyn post here before.

shawna said...

Jon may have started this mess but in my eyes he is doing it the right way....

Keeping his mouth shut and sitting at home watching it all unravel.

All of the talk is about Kate and the Kreiders.

nslmom said...

Thanks, Nina Bell.

It was directed at the posters and not you.

Jordyn said...

Nina, I normally post on gwop. But, if you have an opinion different from them on a certain issue, then your post is wasted as it won't be posted. I have a huge difference of opinion with them on the Kreider videos. They are being portrayed as saints over there. I knew that here, it is more neutral and people's opinions are posted and discussed with reason.

nslmom, I am picking apart the absurdity of this video, showing how it is a poor example of not helping anybody (all the "adults" involved) and further cementing the relationship of the Kreiders and Gosselins. In no way, am I doing what a normal "hater" does. I used to like Jody and Kevin, until I saw this made-up tape. Would you have chosen this puplic route with such a tape that they made if Kate were your sister? For your sister's sake, I hope not.

MrsRef said...

Connie: I doubt he has much to say. They say a picture paints a thousand words. He has shown himself to be quite the party boy - I guess he is trying to redeem himself by keeping quiet. I don't thing anyone has thought about what they are doing to the kids. They are the only innocents here. I don't know how the twins don't know about this either directly or thru their classmates. I just came back from the store and it was in at least 5 magazines at the checkout.

Saint said...

Is the entire People article online somewhere? I don't get it; I won't buy it. I may just have to wait for a doctor's appointment to read what Kate said about Jon, but Mrs. Ref, you have piqued my interest!

Connie said...

Mrs. Ref: I think Jon would have a lot to say.Look at what Kate has to say! About Jon,I read some things and saw pictures of Jon in cars and bars.I guess that could mean partying to some or might be proof of something worse. Don't know.Kate is flying around the country with a pretty nice looking guy too, but I guess that is work. Could be something there too. Who do you think is home with the kids? It just might be Jon redeeming himself and taking care of them.I read the People and almost from the first sentence could not believe what I was reading. Kate, who is a role model and an example of what a good Mom should be,(and has 8 kids) chose to give up her Mother's Day and the 5th birthday of her sextuplets to go to New York City and sit and drink coffee in a hotel room all for the sake of a stupid article (with a lovely front cover of course) in which she blames her husband for everything except the sinking of the Titanic. I wonder why it was so important for her to trash the father of her kids and to put so much personal info about her family out there rather than go home to them and try to celebrate happy, healthy children.Talk about airing dirty laundry. And to admit she chose to do that on a day that should have had twice the significance for her was just shameless. Did anyone ever think of that? I have not seen anyone on here mention that and it was the first thing that jumped out at me. Why was the article not posted here? What about the glamour shots on the cover and inside? Talk about an opportunist.Is Playboy next? I think it points to her true character and her motives (Happy Birthday kids,look at the present Mom has for you!) Can anyone reading this give me a good reason why THEY would leave their 8 kids on Mother's Day for this trashy article? That is why I am wondering why Jon didn't stoop as low as her and put out her dirty laundry. Tit for Tat.As far as the almost 9 year olds knowing, yeah they do. Kids, and their peers, are very bright and they know more than we parents give them credit. They also talk, alot. Any of you teachers of 9 year olds? My daughter was only 10 when she got her period so some kids are more on the ball, and Mady and Cara are two little spitfires. PS:I have been reading this blog for some time now. Is there a problem with new posters or is this private? I will not post again if it is.

nslmom said...

Jordyn said..

Would you have chosen this puplic route with such a tape that they made if Kate were your sister? For your sister's sake, I hope not.

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No, I would have posed in some "sad and woe as me picture" for People Magazine and told the "whole" world that my husband was a "loser".

You complain about Kevin speaking bad about his sister.... Hello....Kate is speaking "bad" about Jon.

It will never end! Who do you think is "tucking" those sweet kids into bed? Kate????

texasmommy said...

Saint~to answer your question as to whether or not the new "Kate People Magazine interview" is online~yes it is. Please do not think that I'm crazy, but I was briefly scanning through the GWOP site when I noticed that the "May 13th or 14th blog" (i think) contained the full "People article" with a snapshot of each page in small print. I was able to make out pretty much everything in the article, but you have to read it very closely.
It is so sad to me for the entire family because it is the first time I've heard Kate confirm that things are really bad; however she says still holds out hope. No matter what ends up "as the truth" about the affairs, I pray that Jon and Kate will take a moment to reflect on their beautiful wedding vows and the promises they made before God BOTH from long ago and just last summer. Surely things could not have gone THAT far into the ditch that they are already beyond help.
I'm very disappointed that Kevin and Jodi agreed to participate in the interviews. IMO, since they are no longer "in the Gosselin's everyday lives," they really have no business speaking out the way that they did ~ especially to the tabloids.
For goodness sakes, even the posters on this site seem to have more "genuine hope for the family to stay intact" than Kevin and Jodi appear to have. I agree that we are now seeing a vindictive side to "Aunt Jodi."
It appears to me that they were looking to make a quick dollar off of the story~and it looks like they got their wish.

sarahsmile said...

I'm glad that someone spoke up. As much as I know people have issues with Jodi, I think she's telling the truth, and more then anything, I think that they are "airing it out" because they see that Jon is coming off as the bad guy. Really, Kate hasn't defended Jon even a little. She's making him out to be the bad guy. Sure, even if he did all of this just to go along with it, he's stupid, but I hate that she's playing the victim...

I think that at least someone is saying what they know to be true. I don't think Jon, or Kate can be trusted, because they have $$ signs in their eyes. From what I can see, Kevin and Jodi have very little to gain from this. Jodi didn't get paid from her sisters blog... I don't think she's jealous, I think she really is scared for the kids, and what else can she do but go public? It's already public!

Also, someone talked about Jodi, and Kevin going to marriage counseling. Good for them! That's what normal, functioning people do when they're having a hard time working stuff out. It shouldn't be looked down upon!

A Mom-ynous said...

Got my People and I have come to an adult conclusion.

1. What K & J did was highly inappropriate.

2. I believe all that has been published everywhere. Denial is not necessarily a lie per se--so I can believe Kate when she says she isn't cheating--however she may not be cognizant that her heart is straying OR if she is leaving her husband, then she may not consider it cheating--in any case, she may not be honest with her self, but I believe her assessment of herself.

3. Tabloids hinting that Kate will lose custody--well I actually read the article in the grocery line and what they leave out is IF it can be shown that she is hurting the kids, she COULD lose custody. This is not the same as she will or she would.

Due to the advancement of women's issues, it would be unethical to hold her career against her as a reason to not allow her custody or to force her to choose a career or kids. The reasons for a plausible pending divorce are not as such that would indicate that would be a moral option.

Anyone who holds Kate in a negative life b/c she chooses to make money in a legal (and yes--ethical) way, is kidding themselves.

In the People article--"it seems" she has made efforts to faciliate Jon's needs to expand his horizens and her claim is that he met every opportunity without enthusiasm. She claims she has ALWAYS made more money than him--so honestly, her going back to nursing would not solve the problem especially since he has not been working in any field for a while and would likely need retraining anyway.

The bandwagon on Kate's anger issues--

Well I guess I am more like Kate than I thought--as I have been in treatment for them. One year later I am a million times better.

I do have to remind my husband though that anger expressed in a safe manner can often be healthy. Humans still can get mad.

But even at my lowest, my husband never threatened to take children away from me.

In therapy--we discovered many things and my root cause of anger was an irrational feeling of being threatened and my fight or flight kicked in.

I cannot explain it, nor choose to--but if Kate were willing to find a source for her anger via counseling and make efforts to improve it, I do not think she is a danger to the kids.

I don't even think she is a danger now.

We all have different personalities and I have seen a "Kate" in even the nicest of personas at times.

But just b/c she has had her anger broadcast for 4 years--doesn't make her a Britney Spears in need of intervention.

4. The situation is worse than I thought on all sides--even though I can only read Kate's thoughts.

Kevin and Jodi's thoughts shouldn't even be available to the public. It is not their marriage and their marriage would have had issues without a camera in the home.

I believe they want what is best for the children.

I also think they are greatly misguided to think they are doing it in any level of appropriateness.

I have a family member who I think is greatly misguided and if her marriage were to end, I have my opinons on what should happen. But I don't live there, it's not "my" family regardless of blood ties, it is none of my business. She is free to raise her kid as she sees fit.

I sit on the sidelines as per her constitutional and legal rights.

Jon and Kate have these same rights.

Having an "in" due to being on the show and being booted--does not give Jodi and Kevin the right to interfere by any stretch of the imagination.

If it was so bad--there is Child Protective Services in which they had EVERY RIGHT to report suspect abuse.

Abuse need not be physical--it can be emotional.

But oddly, they make no mention of "doing the right thing" in that case.

That tells me that things are not as bad--and just b/c you don't like how something is, doesn't give you the right to air it publicly.

5. Kevin and Jodi (just realized the initials were the same!)--haven't spoken to the family in a year. I predict this will continue.

6. My final conclusion: I do not feel deceived or lied to. I do not feel disappointed or cheated. I do not feel like the wool was pulled over my eyes and I was clueless.

I believe that folks somewhere forgot that this was a real family and real issues existed.

I know that my suppositions frequently could not be posted on the other blog b/c they don't permit armchair psychology.

I suspected emotional issues in at least one of the twins.

I suspected issues with Kate for a long time and with Jon as well.

In retrospect, I can fine even casual nuances that would fit within a parameter that could have predicted what has taken place.

But those were never allowed.

Out of habit, I never posted them here. However, my posts have always had that in mind.

So I feel sad for the family.

*bleep* happens. The family was not perfect nor did they ever pretend to be.

Infidelity and toxic family members (referring to the family members who feel so open as to speak when they should remain silent on a marriage in which they do not participate) and divorce happens everwhere.

Noone should have presumed anything.

The vow renewal was tough to watch--so I did not watch it.

I know a family member who did a vow renewal to "make things better". In their case it sort of worked as they remain married (though I do not know why other than out of habit).

I don't feel deceived on that--but you know. I didn't care.

The Gosselins remain a lovely family.

I think Kate is a stunning looking woman. I think one or both of them was a stunning business person to create the lucrative deals that they did.

The rest of the punditry for or against them--is just quite middle school IMHO.

Their "career" choice did not harm the family.

Their marital choices did.

I cannot really judge what was going on in their mind at the time.

But the callousness by which folks think they can play DCF and apply abuse standards to a career choice is beyond my comprehension.

I do wonder if folks think before they speak and ever observe the anger they share when speaking authoritatively on a reality show personality.

7. And yes, I would continue watching the show. I don't find it a train wreck. In fact, I think that from this point forward, it can become a cathartic experience for the adults.

I do not believe these kids are like the Dionne (sp?) quints from the 50s. That is a farcical comparison at best.

A Mom-ynous said...

"A Mom-ynous said,

"I have years of shoe leather that have been worn to be able to comfortably judge Kevin and Jodi for this act of stupidity."

and

"However-my home has never been without sin so I have not been inclined to cast stones at Jon and Kate. My glass house would not be able to handle the ricochet."

Sounds hypocritical, no? Or maybe you can explain the difference."

I have years of shoe leather to know that what Kevin and Jodi did are inappropriate.

I can safely say that the sin of confessing the sins of my neighbor (or family member) is not a sin that I have not committed.

Hyporcritical--no it isn't.

Opinions are by nature judgements. Noone is without judgement.

I also haven't said that Kevin and Jodi should go to hell either.

In context of my post--you would notice that I was replying to someone who thought it was okay to embarasse a family member by publicly announcing whatever their issue is as a means of intervention. That person also stated that if you hadn't walked in those shoes--that you should judge.

My reply was to HER!

The ricochet comment was reflective of Kevin and Jodi's goodwill as demostrated by her very angry-appearing facial expression on that video.

Perhaps if we read things in all context, things would make more sense.

By taking my two points and calling them hypocritical is an effort to diffuse my opinons as without merit and misses the point entirely.

A Mom-ynous said...

"Hey there, mods. Just wondering if Mom-ynous knows that she doesn't have to start a new paragraph after every sentence that she writes? I enjoy her posts, but they're getting so lengthy with all the new sentences. This isn't really any of my business, but just thought I'd throw something in the "suggestion box." Love your blog!
"

I am very sorry if my posting style annoys you.

I tell more storytelling style and often when my brain makes a shift in how it is telling the story, I shift a thought. My paragraphs are often posted of the likeminded thought.

I can try and make my posts shorter if that helps. However, the very nature of how I speak is what it is. I am not on here to write an essay. I am speaking my mind.

A Mom-ynous said...

I enjoy AMom-ynous' posts, too. But, I wish the stuff she wants to talk about that was posted before would be either italicized or bolded.

I have tried but the html doesn't like me.

Let's see if it worked this time.

I get this error when I use the html tags and it won't let me post:

Your HTML cannot be accepted: Tag is not closed:

But I tried! (it also includes the b with the carrots, but it just yelled at me again, so I deleted it)

A Mom-ynous said...

"Amonymous: I would be inclined to agree wtih you about a woman having a job outside the home, however, it appears that these kids were left at home with a parent who bar hops and parties at 2:00 a.m. while his wife is away. Who is watching the kids then. And what about the photo with Ms. Deanna laying in their lawn. What kind of man brings home his "friends" in the middle of the day."

Kate should be able to trust her husband--now she knows she cannot.

If I were out of town, I would expect my husband to properly make sure that the kids were cared for.

Much like I do when he is out of town. This is what babysitters/nannies are for.

(Though--I am not debating being out until 2am in this particular post.)

A Mom-ynous said...

My apologies if anyone is offended by my manner or length of my posts.

I am by nature a verbose person. Due to prior addictions with the virtual world, I try to get all my thoughts in in the limited time I give myself.

I also have always treated blogs as a conversation.

I don't speak in perfect paragraphs or punctuation or grammar in an informal setting.

I can try to clean things up--but it is my outlet as I am just a people watcher in general. Due to my limited time it is not always easy to perfect my format and I feel what I have to say is more important than how I say it. (the only exception is that I do try to remain tactful as even my opinons sometimes I can feel my temperature rising.)

And even this was long--see...I'm chatty kathy!

A Mom-ynous said...

"I also think it is funny that Kevin and Jodi are getting "guff" for "maybe" getting paid for their interview. Do you think Kate received any money for her many interviews and "photo spread" for People Magazine (even after she said her marriage is a private matter). Jon may have done something suspicious but at least he is keeping his mouth shut and taking care of the kids."

I have no proof they got paid. But any statement ever obtained via payment is cast with reasonable doubt. One should not have to pay to get the truth. Typically gossips magazines/resources pay for the privilege of being exclusive.

News interviews are typically unpaid.

I have no information on whether Kate was paid to do People. If it was a matter of spin control, the last thing People would do is pay her for her platform. (this is a matter of opinion)

This is an apples and oranges comparison.

I'd post more but time is limited.

Jordyn said...

nslmom, you're not getting the point I was making because of your dislike of Kate. For a minute, don't think about her, think about the situation.

Jodi and Kevin say they don't want to hurt the kids, yet they are addressing EVERYTHING in every word of Julie's that you could read on either Julie's blog or GWOP. You don't bring the blogosphere in on this.

There are a bunch of rag magazines printing up what they want. We (the blogospher and general public) don't know what Kate knows, what Jon may or may not have told her. Regardless, here's a woman who's husband is shown with another woman at a time when husbands with 8 kids at home shouldnt be out. Especially, when the mother of the household it on business for work.

Kate's sisters, friends and other family never "came out" like Jodi and Kevin. Why? Maybe because the stuff Kevin and Jodi are saying is inappropriate and not true?

Kate being in People is her ONLY response to all the Jon's accusations. And no, she is not speaking bad about him. She's telling us that she and Jon are not in the same place emotionally. Where in that article do you see her once speak bad about him? Are thinking that what you think is bad, is perhaps what his "changed behavior" is? Because, seeing it through her eyes, yeah, that's bad.

Florida Mom said...

A Mom-ynous,
Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but when you say you read your People magazine and came to an adult conclusion, it leaves the impression that other conclusions are not adult.

Florida Mom said...

I was thinking about the end show of last season. I'm trying to be objective. At the time I thought all the drama build up was for ratings. I thought Jon was acting sullen because of being caught acting inappropriately. But if all of their marital woes were really going on at the time, it appears that TLC and the Gosselins were cashing in on their troubles to build ratings. It also sounds like they might have plans to cash in on their troubles next season.
I am not a Kate hater. There are things about her I admire. But I don't understand letting this go on.
I find that more disturbing than anything Kevin and Jodi have to say.

If Kate is really okay with pushing the PR machine, she should be grateful to Kevin and Jodi. Cha-ching!

A Mom-ynous said...

Sarah said:

"Jon is coming off as the bad guy. Really, Kate hasn't defended Jon even a little."


If there is even a modicum of truth that Jon has been unfaithful to Kate and actually had intercourse with another woman in violation of his marriage vows--

there is no defense of that.

Not even "we all make mistakes" works on something like that.

I understand completely why Kate would not defend that.

To do so--would in essence say that it must have been her fault which is a wrong road for any victim of infidelity to take.

Long ago, they would use the sexual history of a rape victim to determine if she could have been raped.

Now--even a prostitute can be raped and her violators properly prosecuted b/c past experience does not entitle the offender to commit the violation.

I often tell my kids--that even if their sibling peed on their head, it does not give them the right to be mean to them.

It is meant to illustrate the point that no matter how bad it gets, it does not permit you to commit an immoral or illegal act to the other person.

(And before I get jumped on--my kids wouldn't pee on each others heads--but it is used to be an illustration all be it a comical one.)

A Mom-ynous said...

"A Mom-ynous,
Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way, but when you say you read your People magazine and came to an adult conclusion, it leaves the impression that other conclusions are not adult."

In the end, that is my adult opinion.

It was a pre-emptive strike against anyone who may perceive that I may change my tune. I stated earlier that I would purchase the magazine and read and decide for myself.

It is not an implication that I believe anyone on her to be a child or to posting like they are a child.

A Mom-ynous said...

" But if all of their marital woes were really going on at the time, it appears that TLC and the Gosselins were cashing in on their troubles to build ratings. It also sounds like they might have plans to cash in on their troubles next season.
I am not a Kate hater. There are things about her I admire. But I don't understand letting this go on.
I find that more disturbing than anything Kevin and Jodi have to say.:"

I sensed that it was all going on as well.

However, I am not a fan of the phrase "cashing in".

It presumes that some may have thought this show to be an act of charity and good will.

This is not how commercial television works.

I remember on Survivor Outback (I think) when Michael was the first contestant to have a serious accident that required removal from the game.

One can say that the producers "cash in on it"--but it would be difficult to produce the show and make no mention of it.

J&K are obligated to do the show, but they can say or not say what they want in those interviews.

I'm having an a-ha moment with some of the demeanor in the final interview but have not come to a formal conclusion as of yet.

To not cover the marital troubles would be a grave misdeed from a production standpoint.

The concerns of the show right now (from a profit standpoint) are to retain viewers.

If they produce a fairy tale and not reality, they do risk losing a lot.

This has alwasy been a business for TLC and figure 8. They have always been "cashing in" and this situation is no different than the gum incident or potty training for a "documentary" style production.

It is life as it happens--which I think was TLC's slogan for a while or something like that. There often times comes a situation that must be handled whether they like it or not.

Illinois Mom said...

I would bet that Jon has his own lawyer who has advised him to lay low. I do predict a divorce, but I also have no fear that joint custody will be given and that Jon will end up doing exactly what he is doing now-Mr. Mom, nannies, some partying.

I will say this on behalf of Kate, there is nothing more frustrating and unattractive than an unmotivated man. School can be very rewarding, and wether or not he ever uses a college education in the work place, it is a good example for the kids, very rewarding, and a good way to boost one's self-esteem. I think Jon should go back to school.

As far as the article I did read it as Kate throwing it all on Jon. I just keep remembering their spiel about it being a family job and when it became unhealthy, unsafe, or the family grew unhappy, they would stop.

Isn't this where they are now?

I do think Kate is in it for herself now. I think she loves the press and attention. I also think she likes being away, and that being at home with her kids is not a huge priority as it is to most mom's.

Divorce is sad, but it doesn't have to be tragic. If the children are better off living with one happy parent at a time, then that is what needs to happen.

If the show never happened, I think Jon and Kate would have experienced similar woes.

sarahsmile said...

A Mom-ynous said...
I often tell my kids--that even if their sibling peed on their head, it does not give them the right to be mean to them.

It is meant to illustrate the point that no matter how bad it gets, it does not permit you to commit an immoral or illegal act to the other person.

(And before I get jumped on--my kids wouldn't pee on each others heads--but it is used to be an illustration all be it a comical one.)
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The problem there is that you're saying that it's wrong for Jon to cheat because of things Kate does, which is valid. However, you also go on to say that you should basically never retaliate against someone, no matter what they do to you. But isn't that is essence what Kate is doing to Jon?

Why would she agree to do all of these interviews where she bashes Jon? Why would she say in the people article that they had people taking pictures of the kids on the front porch, and then act like they only moved because it's what Jon wanted?

I can see why she would address the affair issue to a point. However, she didn't just address that. She basically called Jon a lazy person that wouldn't do what she wanted. Why bring up that she's always made more money if it doesn't bother her? Why is she upset that he doesn't enjoy being in the spotlight as much as she does? Maybe he wanted to go back to a real job, but Kate only wanted him part-time because she is on a book-tour, and wanted people to think there was a parent home with the kids so she wouldn't look as bad... The way she came of to me, was as someone that wanted to show everyone how awful Jon is. Not as someone that is very hurt, but wants to try to save her marriage.

I'm not saying that what Jon did was right. Not even a little. However, I truly believe that it's wrong for her to so publicly attack him. I don't think Jon ever wanted this as much as Kate. However, even by judging by the last show, she doesn't care about what Jon wants. Being so unemotionally insensitive to the needs of your spouse is no better then cheating. Her heart as been out of their house for a long time....

enoughalread said...

A mom-ynous
I never said I was going to go public with my family member that was your interpretation.
I have consulted with several doctors, counselors and lawyers to do an INTERVENTION. My point was we don't know the whole story. Just my opinion! Wow not sure who is worse the media or the bloggers. Thanks for your advice on my situation however I feel more comfortable going to the professionals. My family member’s situation had nothing to do with infidelity either ,so please don't compare your situation to mine. The whole situation is sad for everyone!

Nicole said...

I just wish that Kate would keep it all private and not talk about their private life at all. It's not fair to the children for Kate to keep bashing Jon. If the children are not aware of Kate bad mouthing Jon now, they will hear and see it in the future. All of this is just so sad for the children.

Denise said...

Today she took all 8 kids (and the bodyguard) to Party City in Reading. I think it was being filmed for the show but the Paparazzi were swarming them. This would have been a time to film at home IF AT ALL!!!

Nicole said...

Denise,

Do you know if Jon went with Kate and the kids to Park City?

Paula said...

Three Amazing kids... what you are doing is wonderful. Keep the giving going! I am praying for your little ones and the Gosselin8.

Momof2 said...

I think I'll just read the updates from you ladies here....I was at the checkout today after doing my week's shopping and there were all the magazines. I didn't pick any of them up, there's just too much and I need to step away...LOL

If any fans do recaps of the shows I will read those too but like I said in a previous post..I plan on finishing my kids scrapbooks instead of watching the new season.

So easy to get wrapped in it...

A Mom-ynous said...

Enoughalready:

I apologize if I misinterpreted. I found your defense of what Kevin and Jodi did and your explanation to mean that is what you intended to do.

Interventions are often done in a safe, loving and private manner with close family and friends.

So I am confused as to how that would apply to Kevin and Jodi on a video released to tabloids.

I hope the person of whom you speak is helped soon and quickly with whatever issue they are experiencing.

A Mom-ynous said...

Sarahsmom:

"The problem there is that you're saying that it's wrong for Jon to cheat because of things Kate does, which is valid. "

No it isn't valid at all.

A person cannot make another person cheat. It is a selfish act.

FWIW--the anti-gosselin blogs have been calling Jon lazy for years. It is ironic that now that Kate verifies that, folks have issues with the assessment.

I will agree on the article to one point though. When I read it, I didn't find her selfish. However, there was an air of awkwardness with what she was conveying. It felt like she was being honest. But I felt she was being too honest in a weird sort of way.

I can't put my finger on it just yet.

MrsRef said...

Did anyone see the commercial for the new season. it is a bunch of bull. They were at Dutch Wonderland today filming as a family. The show must go on!!!!!!! My daughter got a twitter about it this afternoon.

MrsRef said...

Correction - Just Kate and kids at Dutch Wonderland. Look for an upcoming episode.

sarahsmile said...

A Mom-ynous said...
Sarahsmom:

"The problem there is that you're saying that it's wrong for Jon to cheat because of things Kate does, which is valid. "

No it isn't valid at all.

A person cannot make another person cheat. It is a selfish act.
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I was actually saying that your point is valid, not that Jon is right for cheating. I'd never, ever say that! But ok...

However, if Kevin, and Jodi are telling the truth, he wasn't having an afair.... He was in line with his contract agreements...

I do believe though that if they had a contract, and they haven't been together, then they need to return the money they made from church talks. Keeping it when parts of your story was a lie--so not cool!

aap said...

I thought is recap of the Jon and Kate saga, interesting and funny, if anyone is interested.

http://www.canada.com/Keep+Kate+loop/1603249/story.html

Tyra said...

In one of their video ‘interviews’, Jodi and Kevin 'urge' Jon and Kate to work on their marriage. So, once Kate hears their wisdom emanating from the computer screen, she'll see the light? Yeah, right. And such a helpful way to bring Kate and Jon back together: shine an even brighter light on Jon’s recent stupidity. In going to Kevin and Jodi, Jon was either stupid enough to trust them with confidences (which they sold, for whatever ‘currency’), or he was so weak that he enlisted them to go after Kate because he was too scared to confront her. Attractive picture, huh? I’d be dying to get back with that.

Quite a bit of the video of Kevin and Jodi is devoted to Kate not being ‘hands-on’, not doing the tasks that ‘we mothers’ do. Jodi, and Kevin and Julie are telling Kate (and the rest of us) what ‘kind’ of a mother she ought to be. So, Kevin and Jodi, should we all be tested with your checklist, and see how we measure up to your standards? Who died and made you whatever it is you think you are?

Julie and Jodi and Kevin disapprove of infidelity. Yeah, so do I. Sorry, but so f’n what? What do you do when you disagree with the parenting choices or life choices of friends or relatives? If they’re reprehensible and reportable, you report them to the proper authorities. If the parents’ bad choices don’t meet the criteria for the involvement of child and family services, what do you do? Kevin and Jodi, the answer is: nothing. If family members or friends don’t want to take your advice, there is no recourse. Someone has filled your head with lies: you are not fulfilling a moral imperative: if you ever had a moral position in this situation, you threw it away when you joined the tabloid circus.

Julie and Jodi and Kevin say they object to the exploitation of the Gosselin kids. So what do they do? They provide even more incentive to paparazzi and the tabloids to pursue more stories about the Gosselins. Now, even more people will make money off of the family. Great job, advocates. Jodi and Kevin’s images and ‘concern’ for the Gosselin kids are now the property of the gossip media. Right next to ambush photos of actresses who’ve gained weight, and death watch bulletins on terminally ill celebrities, and photos of famous dead people in their coffins. Classy. It should make you want to gag.

Florida Mom said...

I think the point Kevin and Jodi were making is that Kate's fame is due to the fact that she has eight children--How does she do it all?--she doesn't. But I think most everyone(other than 13 year old girls) had figured that out by now.
I agree that there is some vindictiveness here, and nothing good will come of it. But I don't think that they are evil, just misguided. Yes, they made bad matters worse. On the other hand, Jon and Kate were doing a pretty good job of it on their own.

Florida Mom said...

I think Kevin and Jodi gave in to human nature. Who hasn't known someone that was not what they portrayed themselves to be, and you get sick of hearing people sing their praises. You want to say--you don't know them like I know them.
Unfortunately, this seeems to always backfire. And on the flip side you wouldn't want someone close to you telling the world the "real" you.
While I understand where Kevin and Jodi might be coming from, I think the way they handled it was wrong and they will come to regret it.
Watching someone get what you think is coming to them is rarely satisfying. It seems like if they really wanted to help the kids, it would have been best to be the "bigger" person and play by Kate's rules, and keep a relationship with the kids.

Kikibee said...

ITA with what Tyra said. Julie has new posts on her blog, saying we "don't know everything", blah, blah. Well, obviously there is nothing CPS worthy, so it's basically Jodi,Kevin and Julie
(why is she involved with this?) don't approve of J&K.

So, Jodi and Kevin go public and they tell Jon's version of Kate wanting to break up (I'm sure that's really reliable) and complain that they "think" Kate isn't performing her "motherly" baking and laundry folding "duties". So what? That's not going to get the show cancelled. What does that accomplish? ( I wish they didn't have the same initials, so the names have to be spelled out. And I'm sorry, I'm feeling snarky this morning, so I'm going to say that if this were some other blog, we might refer to Jodi and Kevin as,
oh I don't know, JoKe, maybe.)

Since Jon is in contact with them, why don't they convince him to stop agreeing to the show and say he doesn't want the kids on it either? He is equally responsible for them, he could do that. I don't think anyone would force kids to be on a show if one of their parents didn't want it. He could also go to counselling, even if Kate won't, and he could take the kids if he felt they needed it.
He complains, but he doesn't do anything to change things.

From what I "know" about Kate, she is probably more determined than ever to continue the show. If they were to cancel it, or Jon did insist they quit, she will find something else. She's not going away without a fight.

Illinois Mom said...

FWIW--the anti-gosselin blogs have been calling Jon lazy for years. It is ironic that now that Kate verifies that, folks have issues with the assessment


True and they have been calling Kate a narcissitic bitch. I am waiting for Jon to verify that.

Fact is, most people have seen the writing on the wall for a few season, how could you not?

As far as them filming at DWL again, I call BS. They did that already and to push it off as a new outing is as lame and awkward as TLC continuing this show.

Unless Kevin and Jodi were going to tell us that the kids are in danger or Jon has been truly physically abused, what they say means nothing to me. Julie's alluding that there is much more, well we have heard that before too.

Again BS, and I agree, this will cause Kate to dig her heels in evenmore.

Victoria said...

Illinois Mom who cares if they did DWL before? Isn't the show about daily life? I've taken my family to a local park at least two or three times a summer, so what's wrong with the Gosselins going to DWL again? Who cares? And why does that make you so made that you "declare BS"? Who says they're pulling it off as a new outing? Get real Illinois Mom.

Tyra said...

I agree with you, Florida Mom, Jodi and Kevin aren't bad people; I don't despise them, I despise their actions. They had contact with Jon: that was a potential opening to be of help to the kids in a real-life way, just bide your time. Instead, they increased the kids' Google search tally.

Irony: if Jon and Kate didn't have fame as parents of twins and sextuplets, STAR and US wouldn't give a crap who Jodi and Kevin were, or what they had to say. So, when Jodi and Kevin and Julie decry Jon and Kate getting their fame and fortune off the backs of their children, they should consider the fact that they got a yummy helping of familial revenge the same way: courtesy of the kids.

I just don't see how they think that dumping more chum in the water for the sharks to feed on helps the kids in the lifeboat?!!

I also think Florida Mom and Kikibee have got it exactly right: Kate will fight harder to keep the show going. That's human nature, too.

A Mom-ynous said...

Sarahsmile:
"was actually saying that your point is valid, not that Jon is right for cheating. I'd never, ever say that! But ok..."

I'm sorry Sarahsmile--I totally read your post the wrong way then. I thought you were saying that Jon had valid reasons for cheating.

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